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David__77

(24,859 posts)
Tue Dec 26, 2023, 05:12 PM Dec 2023

IDF Soldier Dies of Treatment-Resistant Fungus from Gaza, 10 More Infected

An IDF fighter who was seriously injured two weeks ago died on Tuesday after being infected by a dangerous fungus found in the soil of the Gaza Strip, Reshet Bet Radio reported. The fungus has infected ten other fighters.

The deceased fighter arrived with serious injuries to his limbs at Asuta Hospital in Ashdod, where they identified that he had been infected with treatment-resistant fungi. The doctors tried every possible treatment, including experimental treatments from abroad, and brought in every specialist they could, but in the end, the fungus invaded vital organs in the soldier’s body and he died.



Rahav noted that the Association for Infectious Diseases is troubled by the number of resistant bacteria and infections found in soldiers who were wounded in the Gaza Strip. “All the hospitals are reporting that soldiers return from the battlefield with resistant infections. We see them mainly in limb injuries, fungal infections, and resistant bacterial infections.”

“We know that Gaza is saturated with highly resistant bacteria. This information was accumulated in studies we did in the past with doctors from Gaza, and we also know these bacteria in children who were transferred for treatment in Israel from Gaza hospitals.”



https://www.jewishpress.com/news/israel/idf/idf-soldier-dies-of-treatment-resistant-gaza-fungus-10-more-infected/2023/12/26/

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IDF Soldier Dies of Treatment-Resistant Fungus from Gaza, 10 More Infected (Original Post) David__77 Dec 2023 OP
Just think of all the Palestinians also dying of this infection ColinC Dec 2023 #1
And those deaths aren't included in the count from missiles and bombs. David__77 Dec 2023 #7
I'm sure they are Mountainguy Dec 2023 #29
And you know this how? Butterflylady Dec 2023 #41
Because Hamas lies Mountainguy Dec 2023 #43
Yeah, apparently Palestinians don't really count as full humans who are Sky Jewels Dec 2023 #13
I wonder why that area has so many treatment resistant bugs in that area? Maraya1969 Dec 2023 #2
This article cites factors including insufficient supply of medicines. David__77 Dec 2023 #3
I dunno? I did read you can obtain antibiotics OTC in most Arab countries. So I'm sure it applies to Gaza. LeftInTX Dec 2023 #6
Little water & few toilets available womanofthehills Dec 2023 #23
What a colossal mess. WIth all the toxins, bacteria, fungi, sewage, not clean water, hardly any toilets... brush Dec 2023 #32
On Dec 4, the sewage system collapsed womanofthehills Dec 2023 #33
It makes me wonder COL Mustard Dec 2023 #4
That's where my mind went JustAnotherGen Dec 2023 #5
Or it could be the result of millions living for years in a crowded open-air prison Orrex Dec 2023 #12
Sounds likelier. David__77 Dec 2023 #17
Or people already living in one of the most crowded places on earth womanofthehills Dec 2023 #25
you left out reporters. WhiteTara Dec 2023 #28
Sadly - now over 100 reporters have been killed womanofthehills Dec 2023 #37
there's no problem if you don't report it. WhiteTara Dec 2023 #39
These things happen in every ground war. Trench foot, jungle rot, burn pits etc LeftInTX Dec 2023 #19
Never have this many people been so trapped womanofthehills Dec 2023 #26
But - this is different because the sewage systems need fuel womanofthehills Dec 2023 #38
I wouldn't think so. More just that battlefields are extremely dirty. Oneironaut Dec 2023 #22
Not just small cuts getting infected by bacteria or fungi, but fungi one can breathe in... brush Dec 2023 #31
No - Israel stopped fuel into Gaza womanofthehills Dec 2023 #34
A nice epidemic would save Hamas some trouble. Turbineguy Dec 2023 #8
Epidemics don't stop at borders. David__77 Dec 2023 #9
Hamas wants to kill everybody. Turbineguy Dec 2023 #11
As does Netanyahu. Sky Jewels Dec 2023 #14
Hamas isn't alone in that respect. Netanyahu is right with Hamas on that. Autumn Dec 2023 #16
I think that's Netanyahu- womanofthehills Dec 2023 #27
It could spread to the whole world womanofthehills Dec 2023 #35
Resistant bacteria and fungi; antibiotics are for bacteria not fungi. PufPuf23 Dec 2023 #10
My heart breaks for the Palestinian people. Autumn Dec 2023 #15
This warrants attention limbicnuminousity Dec 2023 #18
excellent post harumph Dec 2023 #20
I'm not aware coccidiomycosis exists outside north america mainer Dec 2023 #21
Totally agree limbicnuminousity Dec 2023 #42
These include highly resistant bacterial strains of Klebsiella and Escherichia coli, and Aspergillus fungi. womanofthehills Dec 2023 #36
Resistant fungi in particular are a rising global threat, bacteria as well, and any place Maru Kitteh Dec 2023 #24
If the IDF soldiers are getting it, so are the Gazans. Wonder if it's from the whie phophorous bombs... brush Dec 2023 #30
Investment in Gaza will be possible once Hamas et ilk are done away with gulliver Dec 2023 #40
 

Sky Jewels

(9,148 posts)
13. Yeah, apparently Palestinians don't really count as full humans who are
Tue Dec 26, 2023, 08:02 PM
Dec 2023

worthy of consideration and sympathy in the face of disease, not to mention as humans who should be allowed to live lives free from apartheid and genocide and the destruction of their towns and homes.

David__77

(24,859 posts)
3. This article cites factors including insufficient supply of medicines.
Tue Dec 26, 2023, 06:04 PM
Dec 2023

Antimicrobial-resistant infections have been a huge problem in Gaza for years, he said, because of the use of unsuitable antibiotics or patients’ failure to complete courses of treatment due to drug shortages.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/as-soldier-with-fungal-infection-dies-fears-grow-of-gaza-diseases-spreading-into-israel/amp/

LeftInTX

(34,852 posts)
6. I dunno? I did read you can obtain antibiotics OTC in most Arab countries. So I'm sure it applies to Gaza.
Tue Dec 26, 2023, 06:31 PM
Dec 2023

In fact, you can obtain them OTC in Mexico. My friend was gonna get me some amoxicillin, but I forget to give her some cash.

This can lead to people having a stock at home (Like we do with Tylenol), taking them for a short time (like for a few days) or taking them when you don't need them, and then stopping them.

Antibiotic resistance is common in Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan and Yemen war zones.

Then there is sewage toxins in Gaza and ugly stuff in the soil that is brought up from blasts. Sandy soil is the best filtering soil, but I guess underneath all soils toxins accumulate. I live where it is mostly clay and the soil becomes more anaerobic at a certain depth. You have bombing craters that are bringing up toxins that have filtered down. Then you have heavy metals from munitions. Then you have sewage, which once again has toxins. All this makes any antimicrobial work harder.

https://www.quora.com/Why-arent-antibiotics-available-over-the-counter-in-the-US-but-they-are-in-other-countries

Antibiotics are often available OTC in developing countries. (Asia, ME, Latin America and Africa) I know they're dirt cheap to purchase in Mexico.

womanofthehills

(11,032 posts)
23. Little water & few toilets available
Tue Dec 26, 2023, 11:20 PM
Dec 2023

Some of the Palestinians who are now living in tents in Southern Gaza have like 2 toilets for hundreds of people & the population now has bloody diarrhea, scabbies, hepatitis , lice, jaundice, kidney disease, upper respiratory disease, food poisoning, UTI’s , etc.. The people have no way to bathe & no access to toilets & antibiotics says UN. People with bloody diarrhea just going in the streets or wherever.

This could actually cause some new world diseases.
More info at:
https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/12/middleeast/gaza-diseases-spread-what-we-know-intl/index.html

 

brush

(61,033 posts)
32. What a colossal mess. WIth all the toxins, bacteria, fungi, sewage, not clean water, hardly any toilets...
Wed Dec 27, 2023, 02:30 AM
Dec 2023

bombings stirring it all ulp, people living on top of each other breathing all that mess in...Gaza has to be the unheatlhiest place in the world righ now. And all the airborne toxicity won't stay withing the borders of Gaza.

Look out Israel, the West Bank, Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria and all the surrounding countries.

womanofthehills

(11,032 posts)
33. On Dec 4, the sewage system collapsed
Wed Dec 27, 2023, 09:39 AM
Dec 2023

Pumping stations ran out of fuel and sewage ran down the streets of northern Gaza. So the soil is contaminated with sewage.

JustAnotherGen

(38,109 posts)
5. That's where my mind went
Tue Dec 26, 2023, 06:24 PM
Dec 2023

Who knows what Iran, and Russia via Iran has supplied the terrorists with.

womanofthehills

(11,032 posts)
25. Or people already living in one of the most crowded places on earth
Tue Dec 26, 2023, 11:30 PM
Dec 2023

All forced to go South by Israel - and Becoming the most crowded place on earth ever - and having no access to water or toilets. Maybe Israel bombing all but a few hospitals might be contributing & barely letting food, water and medical supplies in - plus Israel is big on killing doctors, nurses, Red Cross workers, UN staff & ambulance drivers.

womanofthehills

(11,032 posts)
37. Sadly - now over 100 reporters have been killed
Wed Dec 27, 2023, 10:02 AM
Dec 2023

Along with their children & many members of their families.

womanofthehills

(11,032 posts)
26. Never have this many people been so trapped
Tue Dec 26, 2023, 11:34 PM
Dec 2023

Gaza’s open prison is 25 miles long - Now that they are forced south, are these 2 million people now living in an area of 10 miles by 5 miles???

womanofthehills

(11,032 posts)
38. But - this is different because the sewage systems need fuel
Wed Dec 27, 2023, 10:09 AM
Dec 2023

Dec 4 - when the system in northern Gaza stopped - feces ran down the streets contaminating buildings, roads, soil. Some Israeli injured IDF soldiers have Klebsiella bacteria among other bacterial and fungus strains. Klebsiella is fine if it stays in your intestines but deadly in an open wound.


“What Is Klebsiella Pneumoniae? From WebMD

Klebsiella pneumoniae are a common type of bacteria found in your intestines . They are normally harmless. But Klebsiella pneumoniae can be dangerous if they get into other parts of your body, especially if you’re already sick. They can turn into “superbugs” that are very hard to fight with antibiotics. The germs can give you pneumonia, infect your wound or blood, and cause other serious problems. “

Oneironaut

(6,320 posts)
22. I wouldn't think so. More just that battlefields are extremely dirty.
Tue Dec 26, 2023, 10:39 PM
Dec 2023

You have dead bodies everywhere (human and other animals). There’s stagnant water everywhere baking in the sun and multiplying bacteria and fungus. Societies without adequate sewage systems or garbage disposal compound these issues.

Modern society is very removed from the concept of one small cut on your finger leading to a life-threatening bacterial or fungal infection. Not having mass casualties from disease in armies is a relatively new phenomenon.

 

brush

(61,033 posts)
31. Not just small cuts getting infected by bacteria or fungi, but fungi one can breathe in...
Wed Dec 27, 2023, 02:16 AM
Dec 2023

like "valley fever" or other infectious, airborne diseases. This fucking war just keeps getting worse.

Now it's not just bombs and bullets killing people on both sides.

womanofthehills

(11,032 posts)
34. No - Israel stopped fuel into Gaza
Wed Dec 27, 2023, 09:45 AM
Dec 2023

So no pumping stations working and feces streamed down the streets of northern Gaza.

Autumn

(49,019 posts)
16. Hamas isn't alone in that respect. Netanyahu is right with Hamas on that.
Tue Dec 26, 2023, 08:30 PM
Dec 2023

I imagine years of being kept in an open air crowded prison there would be a lot of bacteria there. And more

womanofthehills

(11,032 posts)
27. I think that's Netanyahu-
Tue Dec 26, 2023, 11:37 PM
Dec 2023

He might also contribute to some new diseases that do in the whole world.

womanofthehills

(11,032 posts)
35. It could spread to the whole world
Wed Dec 27, 2023, 09:47 AM
Dec 2023

Plus- injured IDF soldiers are bringing the fungus into Israel hospitals.

PufPuf23

(9,943 posts)
10. Resistant bacteria and fungi; antibiotics are for bacteria not fungi.
Tue Dec 26, 2023, 06:47 PM
Dec 2023

War-related infections probably not so great for civilians and children wounded in Gaza too.

But worry about infections from Palestine babies in Israeli hospitals.

limbicnuminousity

(1,416 posts)
18. This warrants attention
Tue Dec 26, 2023, 08:56 PM
Dec 2023

Though the article doesn't identify the fungal pathogen, there are at least two candidates that would have potential implications beyond Gaza.

One is Candida aureus, some strains of which are resistant to common anti-fungal medications. It can cause life-threatening complications and is on the uptick globally (yes, in North America too). It's often found in waste water and sewage contaminated soils like you'll find in an urban war zone. Or maybe ghettoized urban tenements. Or urban areas where the instruments of governance no longer function at a necessary threshold. Or homeless encampments without reliable access to public utilities.

The second would be Valley Fever/coccidioidomycosis. Its prevalence hasn't changed much. It appears to be commonly associated with contaminated soils. It was endemic to the American Southwest, but appears to be expanding into the American Southeast. The alarming possibility there is that Valley Fever can cause chronic conditions and reduce life expectancy by 5-10 years.

The odds for survival following infection by either agent are dramatically improved through prompt access to quality medical care. During wartime, soldiers are unlikely to prioritize medical care when it only starts out with a sniffle and there's a war going on. I genuinely worry about the long term effects of contagion for all of the people living in that part of the world.

I also worry about the US (and the rest of the industrialized world). Pestilence arises when we ignore the fact that people are living in subhuman conditions. Contagion spreads when insufficient resources are devoted to community health care. Priorities matter.

mainer

(12,579 posts)
21. I'm not aware coccidiomycosis exists outside north america
Tue Dec 26, 2023, 09:36 PM
Dec 2023

I would think aspergillosis is a more likely problem. It’s theorized also to be the culprit in “King Tut’s curse,” which caused the deaths of several people who excavated in the Valley of the Kings.

limbicnuminousity

(1,416 posts)
42. Totally agree
Wed Dec 27, 2023, 03:54 PM
Dec 2023

Aspergillosis is definitely plausible. Personally....epidemiology is NOT my specialty...I'm just not sure about Valley Fever. It seems plausible based on the conditions, but I'm not aware of specific reports of Valley Fever in or around Israel. Aspergillosis as well as Candida aureus are highly plausible candidates for whatever affected the soldiers.

Valley Fever...that's an intuitive leap and it may be a leap too far. My reasons for looking twice at VF:

1) coccidiodomycosis is on the uprise and spreading through the lower half of the US.
2) the early symptoms are easy to ignore, which lines up with what we know about the IDF soldiers.
3) fungal diseases sporadically occur outside of their regular zone of distribution and there is a LOT of American technology and military ordnance in and around Israel.

I hope you're right about Aspergillosis and thank you for pointing out the statistical probability.

Maru Kitteh

(32,010 posts)
24. Resistant fungi in particular are a rising global threat, bacteria as well, and any place
Tue Dec 26, 2023, 11:30 PM
Dec 2023

such as India where you have people living in highly concentrated areas serve as nurseries for more efficient and sturdy organisms.


We are most decidedly not the "top" of the food chain.


 

brush

(61,033 posts)
30. If the IDF soldiers are getting it, so are the Gazans. Wonder if it's from the whie phophorous bombs...
Wed Dec 27, 2023, 02:04 AM
Dec 2023

or any of the other explosives dropped by the air strikes?

What a disaster.

gulliver

(14,075 posts)
40. Investment in Gaza will be possible once Hamas et ilk are done away with
Wed Dec 27, 2023, 12:28 PM
Dec 2023

I'm not usually an optimist, but I think the future for Gaza is bright once the chemo is over.

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