Fetterman Tells James Carville to 'Shut the Fuck Up'

[babylonsister]

https://politicalwire.com/2023/12/27/fetterman-tells-james-carville-to-shut-the-fuck-up/

Fetterman Tells James Carville to ‘Shut the Fuck Up’
December 27, 2023 at 10:03 am EST By Taegan Goddard

Sen. John Fetterman (D-PA) slammed James Carville over the Democratic strategist’s warnings that President Biden might lose in 2024, Politico reports.

Said Fetterman: “I’ll use this as another opportunity to tell James Carville to shut the fuck up. Like I said, my man hasn’t been relevant since grunge was a thing.”

Asked to respond to the senator’s comments, Carville said of Fetterman: “I’m glad he’s feeling better.”

[Fullduplexxx]

1. I agree with him

[babylonsister]

2. So do I. nt

[karynnj]

74. I agree, Carville has done nothing good since Bill Clinton's election

Even in that election, I think he was over rated. In Bill Clinton, he had a very good candidate going up against a lack luster President, who was bashed for most of a year by a third party candidate who turned rather strange in the general.

I still wonder what information he leaked to his Republican wife, who was working for Bush/Cheney.

[Joinfortmill]

3. Good.

[Freddie]

4. That's my Senator!

Love him. Future POTUS.

[PJMcK]

5. Carville is the past

Fetterman is the future

[LiberalFighter]

6. Was he much of a past?

[PJMcK]

7. Carville was instrumental in getting Bill Clinton elected

He fought like hell and took the fights directly to the Republicans.

Times and tactics have changed.

[LiberalFighter]

39. Yes they have changed.

[karynnj]

75. I wonder how much of that was mythology

Bill Clinton himself deserves most of the credit and he was helped by Perot's year of Bush bashing and then dropping out claiming Bush was threatening to ruin his daughter's wedding. When he returned he never regained the support he had.

[Kennah]

84. Let's not rule out the role of Bush The Senior

His "Read My Lips" pledge and "Voodoo economics" comments led to blistering attacks from conservatives. Ironically, Bush's tax increases were HELPING. It was one thing he got right. He was probably the last fiscally responsible GOP President and perhaps even candidate.

[karynnj]

88. Agree and in 1992, Bush was a very lackluster candidate

Vomiting at a Japanese did not help. Another factor is that the Republicans had already had 3 terms - already an atypically long stretch.

Not to mention the "war room" for Clinton may have had less impact on the "bimbo eruptions" as the campaign later called them than Hillary Clinton's 60 minutes support in spite of Clinton's unfaithfulness.

[Kennah]

91. Oh how I long for the days when Watergate was the worst the GOP was up to

[RandomNumbers]

8. But also LOL, Carville's reply

"I'm glad he's feeling better"



I'm sure Carville's heard STFU a few times in his career.

(But Fetterman is correct in this case!)

[mopinko]

11. i mean, ya gotta give the props when the props r earned.

even tho i dont think much of his opinions, he’s a very funny guy. always entertaining.

[LisaM]

22. I like both of them.

But I just loved how Carville said, back in 2008, that the Wasila town hall looked liked a Louisiana Bait Shop.

[ArkansasDemocrat1]

36. And he would know!

[Rebl2]

27. More than a

few times I would guess, including from his republican wife. Guess she is still a republican. Never hear about her anymore.

[TexasBushwhacker]

33. Oh, she is definitely still Republican

They say they agreed to never discuss politics. I just don't see how you can be married to someone who has such a different view of the world. Maybe they have great sex.

[Polybius]

43. That's something I certainly don't want to picture!

[orangecrush]

46. Because only young

Attractive people who look like soap opera stars should have sex?

[Polybius]

49. Nah

They can have sex, I just don't wanna picture it.

[erronis]

54. Perfect response.

Sometimes de minimis is de bestist.

[sprinkleeninow]

82. Yes, that. nt

[TexasBushwhacker]

59. I stand corrected. She switched to Libertarian

in 2016. She said the Republican party is "falling apart". While I agree with that, the Libertarian platform is bullshit.

[ananda]

9. Good!

!!!

[Arazi]

10. Perfect!

[Paladin]

12. Outstanding! Thank you, Sen. Fetterman.

If Carville wants to spew his anti-Biden bullshit, let him do it to Bill Maher or to some other audience that appreciates it. Ideally, Carville ought to do what Fetterman suggests: Just shut the fuck up.

[agingdem]

77. John Fetterman speaks for me and I would like to add..

"now go away!"...as a frequent guest on Ari's show, James Carville never misses an opportunity to bash Joe Biden...I suppose that's his way of staying relevant...it's a bitch to grow old...

[Paladin]

85. Best not get me started about Ari.

Why he still has a job at MSNBC is a mystery to me.

[agingdem]

86. Thank you!

Ari Melber is MSNBC's Elie Honig (CNN)...good news for Biden/bad news for Biden...Jack Smith indicts Trump/charges are too broad and favors Trump...every Jack Smith court filing is bad for Jack Smith/good for Trump...the Colorado SC ballot decision is overreach/good for Trump...and Ari goes so far as to "instruct" Trump's menagerie of lawyers as to proper legal procedure...I'm beginning to wonder if Ari (and Elie) are Trump's shadow counsel.

and then there's Ari's guests...Trump enablers/Biden's detractors...Ari had has fifteen minutes when Trump accomplice Peter Navarro spilled his guts, detailing his part in Trump's coup/insurrection...that earned Ari an authored prologue in the J6 committee report and he's been dancing as fast he can to get his fifteen minutes back...

and don't get me started on his delivery...every pause is a wait-for-it moment...I'm a retired English teacher and I can actually "see" the punctuation marks...

[Paladin]

89. And have you ever seen a worse interviewer?

Constant interruptions of his guests, constant announcements that "We're almost out of time." And don't even get me started about the unending rap lyrics. I only watch his show now and then, to see if it's still awful---and on that basis, Ari hasn't disappointed me...

[agingdem]

90. I particularly like his explanation of the law

as though we're five year olds and he's "teaching" us how to use chalk..honestly I've had it with the MSNBC line-up... hyperventilating hyperbole and the show-to-show revolving "guests" spewing the same dire warnings...

thank you for allowing me to vent...

[Paladin]

93. Never doubt you have plenty of frustrated company.

I used to never, ever miss Rachel's show---back before it became a nightly funeral dirge.

[agingdem]

96. and a history lesson, a guest, and a first question.."Did I get the facts right?"

Last edited Thu Dec 28, 2023, 11:39 PM - Edit history (2)

yes, Rachel, we get today's Republican Party vomit is "post hoc ergo propter hoc"... we get Republican's century long embrace of white christian nationalism hate (anti Black/Hispanic/Jew/Asian/Native American/LGBTQ+/women), and their embrace of the cruel, the amoral, the depraved, the stupid, defending the indefensible, white entitlement, and money above humanity unleashed Hitler-wannabe Trump and MAGA scum onto the world..we get it...now instead of hawking your book, how about you tell us what we don't know??

[Paladin]

97. All of that I could handle.

It's the nightly hanging of black crepe in the windows that finally made me snap. How are we supposed to fight all the evil before us, if we don't have at least some small amount of optimism, goading us on?

[Picaro]

13. Have to admit I reply "Stop" when I get something from Carville

His tone is imbued with hysterical panic.

I know we, as a nation, are in a rough spot. But hysteria never seems to yield anything.

Carville is no longer relevant. And he desperately wants to again matter. Instead he is as relevant as Newt Gingrich

[FakeNoose]

14. My take on this is that Carville isn't exactly "anti-Biden" so much as he's rooting for a tight race

Carville is still a journalist and a pundit at heart, despite the fact that he's spent most of his career helping Democrats to get elected. He still wants to see a horserace, because that boosts his own importance as a political pundit.

The professional pundits are all doing it, whether liberal or conservative, because it's their bread-and-butter.

So John Fetterman, bless his big blue heart, has a different perspective. He supports the President no matter what. He DOESN'T WANT a tight race, he wants an easy, or even a landslide, victory for Joe Biden and all the Dems. I'm agreeing with Fetterman 100%, just for the sake of history.

For the record, I don't think James Carville will actually STFU, no matter how many times Fetterman tells him to.

[Ishoutandscream2]

19. Agreed.

And yes, how about, at the most, “Shut the hell up” from a fellow Dem. But I keep forgetting Fetterman is from Philadelphia. I’m not making excuses for him - he’s just part of that rude, crude crowd.

[Ishoutandscream2]

20. Meant for Oopsy.

Nt

[Sugarcoated]

42. He's not from Philly

He grew up in Reading and York, two hours from Philly, lol

[TexasBushwhacker]

35. That's how I see it too

I see no benefit in gloom and doom, but I won't be comfortable until Trump is behind bars or 6 feet under and Joe is re-inaugurated in January, 2024.

[Oopsie Daisy]

15. I dislike Carville as much as anyone, but I dislike even more when a Democrat *

* in particular a Democratic senator talks like that.

In today's political landscape, it is essential to discuss the conduct of our elected representatives, regardless of party affiliation. While some may view the use of profanity by a Democratic senator as a sign of authenticity or overdue change, it is crucial to recognize the potential consequences and the broader implications it carries.

This type of behavior diminishes the office and erodes the decorum that we expect from our elected officials. It sets a lower standard for what is considered proper and decent in public discourse. If any elected official resorts to profanity, they fail to uphold the dignity of their position and the responsibilities that come with it.

Moreover, the use of explicit language by elected representatives sets a poor example for the public, especially the younger generation, who may look to them as role models. It normalizes a lack of civility, undermining the importance of respectful and constructive dialogue in our democracy.

This type of behavior can tarnish the image of the party as a whole. It leads to perceptions of divisiveness and immaturity, potentially alienating voters and undermining our collective ability to achieve meaningful progress. It is crucial that our elected representatives embody the values and principles of our party, representing us with integrity and respect.

The damage caused by such conduct extends beyond party lines. It erodes the credibility and effectiveness of the Senate as an institution. Respectful and civil discourse is vital for building consensus, fostering cooperation, and addressing the pressing challenges facing our nation. When elected representatives resort to profanity, it hampers the ability to find common ground and work towards bipartisan solutions.

It is essential to highlight that addressing this issue is not about personal attacks or emotions. It is about upholding the integrity of our democratic processes and promoting a culture of respect and decency in public service.

I believe that bad behavior from anyone in our party makes it difficult for Democrats to "claim the high road" or to have any moral authority when we take-to-task the ill-mannered behavior of some members of the Republican party.

[Ishoutandscream2]

21. Read above. Totally agree

Good post.

[PTL_Mancuso]

34. Sadly, he's part of the Trashification of American Society

Fetterman has a lot of good ideas and wants to get helpful stuff accomplished but is not someone you'd want to hold up to your children as a paragon of any type other than a loudmouth Idiocracy pol.

I voted for him based upon his seemingly honest straight-talking problem-solving approaches to U.S. societal shortcomings, and he could be a Senator for the Ages, BUT his rough edges and biases would need to be resolved first.

[orangecrush]

47. The pugs said the same thing about Franken

And they were FOS.

[spooky3]

56. Speculating here, but I suspect his depression may contribute to Fetterman's

letting certain thoughts out that he might handle differently otherwise. IMHO he just needs to learn how to moderate statements re: fellow Democrats at certain times, given what's at stake. But I like him (loved his ads versus Oz for example).

[femmedem]

65. I had to ask myself how I would feel if a Republican rather than Fetterman said the same thing.

And the answer told me how I ought to feel about Fetterman saying it, much as I admire him in many ways.

My initial, momentary appreciation for Fetterman's language gave me some insight into how Republicans cheer and giggle when one of their political leaders says something juvenile or rude about someone who doesn't toe their party line.

Anyway, thanks for an excellent post. I'm glad to see it getting so many recommendations.

[Skittles]

66. as much as I embrace profanity

I agree - there is a time and a place for it and this ain't it.

[ecstatic]

73. Fair enough. I used to feel that way too but the incivility is seeping into my thinking as well.

Thanks, dump!

[gulliver]

16. Love what Fetterman has to say, and Carville's still a good gadfly nt

[LiberalFighter]

17. I agree with Fetterman. These so called Democratic strategists are so out of it.

That includes Clare McCaskill, Alex Wagner, and others.

Whine whine whine.

If Trump was a first time candidate maybe there might be some worry. But in 2016, I don't believe there was much worry by Democrats.

If Covid hadn't happened there might be a reason to worry.
If he hadn't supported Putin and Kim Jong Un...
If he hadn't said he was going to be a dictator when elected President again ...
If he hadn't called for the overthrow of the government...
If he didn't have a son-in-law getting $2 billion from Saudi Arabia...
If he didn't have 91 indictments...
If he hadn't been convicted of sexual assault...
If he hadn't been making stupid statements...
If he hadn't tried to bribe Ukraine...
If there weren't recorded talks with people in Georgia to change the votes...
If there weren't recorded calls with GPS of those working with him...
If he hadn't lost the popular vote in 2020 by more votes than in 2020...
If many of his court challenges have been turned down by judges he had appointed...
If he hadn't suggested Pence should be hanged.
If he hadn't lost so many 2020 supporters that will be dead by 2024...
Including those from Covid...
If the economy was worse than when he was in office...
If the gas price was much higher than it is now...
If holiday travel was bad like it was in 2020 when he was still in office...
If all of these Republicans weren't opposed to his election...
[link:List of Republicans who oppose the Donald Trump 2024 presidential campaign|List]
If other Republicans and Independents either sit out or vote for someone else...
If he wasn't losing his company in New York...
If he didn't have criminals associated with him...
If he wasn't connected with Jeffrey Epstein...
If he hadn't inflated his condo space and paid less in property taxes...
If he hadn't illegally filed financial statements with the bank to receive a loan below market rate...
If he hadn't gone thru numerous bankruptcies including with a casino...
If he could talk rationally instead of rambling nonsense...
If he hadn't refused to turn over the classified documents...'

I'm sure more can be added.

No former President running for a 2nd term or even a 1st term had that much going against them.

[orangecrush]

48. Great list

Thank you

[spooky3]

55. I disagree in part. I love to listen to Claire McCaskill. It's horrifying

that Missouri chose Josh the chicken shit liar over her.

[ShazzieB]

70. I love Claire, too!

I'm always happy to see her pop up on any of the msnbc shows I watch.

Alex is a good egg as well. I became a fan after she took over Rachel's time slot Tuesday through Friday. Monday is my favorite night on msnbc, especially since they started putting Jen Psaki on before Rachel on Mondays, but I will happily watch Alex the rest of the week.

[nevergiveup]

18. I am sure no one will agree with me here

but I believe at this point they are both loose cannons and deserve each other. I had high hopes for Fetterman but lately he has gotten weird and his language is a little off the rails for a United State Senator. I never did pay much attention to Carville. He never had much good to say about Obama so it is not surprising he would get some enjoyment out of subtly trashing Biden.

[Oopsie Daisy]

23. That type of language and behavior doesn't sit well with me. It's beneath the dignity of the office.

[Ishoutandscream2]

24. Agreed.

But he’s a Philly person. Part of their DNA.

[Sugarcoated]

44. But he's not from Philly.

He grew up in York, which is two hours from philadelphia, not even close to the city.

[Goddessartist]

26. Agreed

[FakeNoose]

38. John Fetterman is supporting the President in everything

... to the point of pissing off the progressives who considered him one of their own. They aren't happy that Fetterman supports Biden's policy towards Israel and Gaza. They want to see him trashing Biden, going all pro-Palestinian, and Big John won't do it.

Oh well, they'll get over it.

[LymphocyteLover]

87. I suspect the stroke has affected Fetterman's ability to communicate and it's certainly made him

harder to listen to. I think he's less articulate and resorts to this sort of rough talk more often.

[nevergiveup]

94. Your explanation is really a good one.

His language doesn't personally bother me all that much but I know there are a lot of people who are really turned off by it. He needs a little help with finding substitute less offensive words to replace the "F" word. It is not a word a lot of people want to hear from their United States Senator. He has a great support group and I have confidence he will get help with this.

[LymphocyteLover]

95. Thanks. I agree that he needs more help and hope he gets it.

[fantase56]

25. Damn!!!!

I so wish he was my Senator

[comradebillyboy]

29. Both of your Senators are good solid Democrats.

[CTyankee]

28. We do this. We're Democrats. We like to disagree and sometimes lapse into poor taste but in no way are we like the

pukes.

I JUST LOVE BEING A DEMOCRAT! DON'T YOU?

[Wednesdays]

30. Even IF Carville was right, what the hell are we supposed to do

this late in the game? Suddenly turn against Biden and vote him out in the primaries? And replace him with whom? Kamala Harris? Pete Buttigieg? Gavin Newsom? They're all great, but at this point don't have nearly the gravitas as Biden does. The Repugs are salivating for someone to replace Biden so that Rump would win in a walk.

[relayerbob]

31. Yep, tired of Carville

Didn’t much care for him in the first place.

[Zambero]

32. Ragin' Cajun needs a course adjustment

Carville can be quite effective, provided he gets his message straight. The doom & gloom scenarios don't help much. I'd suggest that Fetterman and Carville get together for a meeting of the minds. They both tend to come off as unorthodox in certain ways, but that can also be a plus, provided the messaging is consistent, positive where it must be, and negative (toward TFG/GOP) where it needs to be.

[Yoyoyo77]

83. Lately there has been 1 area that Carville

has been spot on in. He's from Louisiana same as the new house speaker, so he knows a lot about him and the hardcore Christian nationalist culture in state that he came up in. He's been calling out Johnson as a hardcore Christian nationalist, he's made a video pointing out all the crazy stuff Johnson stands for. I think he's wrong for calling for Biden to not run but I like his calling out Johnson.

[iluvtennis]

37. I stand with Fetterman! n/t

[Deep State Witch]

40. Big John Is Peak Pennsylvania

Love him! I admit that I had my reservations about him and initially preferred Connor Lamb. Not that I have a dog in that hunt anymore, since I live in Maryland. But Big John has been a breath of fresh air!

[LetMyPeopleVote]

41. I am growing to really like and appreciate Senator Fetterman

I also agree with Senator Fetterman

[Freethinker65]

45. Or, Carville's tactics are starting work and Democrats are getting off their asses to support and promote Biden!

Carville's response, "glad you're feeling better", was as good as Fetterman's.

Promote and support Biden and Democratic policies or Trump and the GOP could very well win. There is a reason Ohio has idiot JD Vance as a Senator.

[dchill]

50. Indeed! STFU

[Ford_Prefect]

51. I have never had much respect for Carville's outlook . I do not now. He may well understand parts of the electorate

which I don't, but he's never seen the world Harry Truman came from either.

The recent achievements of Democrats in special elections disagrees with Carville's view.

I don't know how invested he is in the Corporate side of political culture but some days it can sound as if he's in their court, IMO.

[Upthevibe]

52. God I love John Fetterman! N/T

[canuckledragger]

53. I think Fetterman is spot on.

From what I've learned about James Carville, the only thing he seemed to be good at was losing elections for democrats. Why should anyone take his opinions seriously?

[Maraya1969]

57. I don't know why people say these things but it is never constructive as I see it. Michael Moore has done it

, (I forget who) but it really pissed me off. I wish I knew the psychological reason for these types of statements.

[onetexan]

58. I like them both, but in this case

Fetterman is right. No infighting please.

[twodogsbarking]

60. Fetterman rarely beats around the bush.

[BadgerMom]

61. Thank you, Senator.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

62. "Decorum" is no longer on the table.

[Hope22]

63. Agree!

When the R Insurrectionist $hit in the halls of the Capitol that pretty much pulled everything off of table!!!

[Liberal In Texas]

64. Good. Somebody had to do it.

Thanks Senator!

[Marcuse]

67. Carville has a point. There is no room for complacency. Recall how you felt the morning after the 2016 election.

[TheProle]

68. Counter opinion

Carville has forgotten more about politics and winning elections than Fetterman will ever know.

[Roy Rolling]

69. This👆

I love Fetterman, but he needs to earn his place in history.

Carville has a legacy of rapier-like wit tearing Republicans to shreds. Fetterman? He’s still a physical, slapstick performer.

There’s no need for Fetterman to say that about Carville. Pay your dues first.

[ecstatic]

71. I agree. Carville is super annoying and irrelevant. We don't want or need his advice.

[Raine]

72. Good, I really like Letterman. 🙂nt

[Red Mountain]

76. Carville used to be considered an 'attack dog'

Vicious.....but somewhat restrained.

I think Fetterman is doing the same work today.

Times have changed......and the dog is off the chain.

That said, Carville's reply to Fetterman is about as good as it gets. Holy shit I think Carville is becoming an elder statesman.

[sybylla]

78. That's worth a donation right there.

New rule in my house - every time someone tells Carville to STFU, they get a donation.

[MustLoveBeagles]

81. This

I love Fetterman but what he said was rude and ageist.

[donheld]

80. I'm jealous

I've wanted to tell Carville to STFU for a long time ⌛️ ⏲️

[Jedi Guy]

92. Biden's reelection is by no means guaranteed and we'd be foolish to act as if it were.

Everyone was just so certain that Hillary would win in 2016, right up until she didn't. Everyone was laughing at Trump right up until Election Day, and then the returns started coming in and the laughter died. I vividly remember waking up the day after the election and thinking I'd woken up in the wrong timeline, and the four years of Trump's term were painful in the extreme.

Some might call this doom and gloom. I think of it as taking nothing, nothing for granted. Trump is even more of an existential threat to American democracy now than he was in his first term. Treat him as such and fight like hell to keep him out of the Oval Office. There's way too much riding on this election, and we dismiss Trump at our own peril.

Carville is absolutely right to point out that another victory for Biden is not certain. Complacency is deadly.