Baby saved from Gaza rubble after mother killed in Israeli strike

[David__77]

GAZA, Dec 29 (Reuters) - The rescuers in orange vests shouted as they reached a baby girl still alive in the rubble of an Israeli air strike on the Gaza Strip's Rafah city after yet another night of bombardment of the Palestinian enclave.

Baby Mariam Abu Akel's skin was grey with dust and she made little noises as the rescuers reached deep into the rubble to free her legs and lift her clear.

People crowded around in the ruins of the Abu Edwan family's house, where Mariam's family had been sheltering after they fled their own home in a more dangerous area near Gaza's border with Israel.

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Mariam's mother and sister were both killed in the strike along with members of the Abu Edwan family and people from other families temporarily living with them. Her father and brother Hamed, still a toddler, survived the blast.

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https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/baby-saved-gaza-rubble-after-mother-killed-israeli-strike-2023-12-29/

[boston bean]

1. Where are the babies HAMAS kidnapped and are holding hostage

Did they burn them up like they did on October 7th?

Sorry for all the death and destruction. Glad this baby is alive.

[The Magistrate]

2. It Remains A Flat Fact, Sir

Not one bomb would be dropped on Gaza, not one person there killed or maimed, save for the sadistic murder spree Hamas indulged itself in on October 7.

Nor can it be truthfully denied that, had the nationalist leadership of Arab Palestine and the larger Arab nation accepted the UN Partition in '47, the condition today of the people of Arab Palestine would be far, far better than the state three quarters of a century's pursuit of restorative vengeance have left them to live in.

And by the way, do you think Hamas ought to remain part of the government in Gaza, as suggested in this post of your's yesterday?


https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=18559399

[AloeVera]

3. Victim-blaming.

With all due respect.

[JI7]

5. Hamas are victims ?

[AloeVera]

6. Predictable.

The victims of the current war, and the victims of the unjust and unfair partition imposed upon them, are the Palestinian people.

But by all means, Blame Hamas.

[JI7]

15. It's no more unjust and unfair than what has happened to many other people around the world

including most Jews in Israel there were persecuted in Islamic countries and forced out and everything taken from them. Even when they were living in these places they were lower class citizens.

The only problem people have is Jews were given something .

[AloeVera]

16. I hear you.

I do know, believe me, in more personal ways than you would imagine.

But the fact that other people have suffered in the past is used as a justification only if you view the ones currently suffering as somehow deserving of it or not worthy of our empathy and caring as much as the victims of October 7th or the Mizrahi.

Your last sentence is heart-breaking to me. There is truth there and I'm sorry the world is as it is. I hope though, that we can find it in our hearts to see that it is not only Jews who have suffered and try to mitigate suffering and injustice where we see it. Can this war on civilians be ended and the suffering stop??

[JI7]

17. The problem is most of them oppose a Jewish state and they want a state where Jews

and other non Muslims are lesser citizens which is the case in every single Muslim nation that exists .

How you can ask for suffering to stop when you support Hamas makes no sense to me .

[AloeVera]

18. That's quite a response.

How you can ask for suffering to stop when you support Hamas makes no sense to me .

Where did you get the notion I support Hamas? Just a general feeling because I
speak out against this awful war? That pretty much shuts down dialogue as it's intended.

If by "them" you mean the Palestinians, nobody's bothered to find out what they want for decades.

[JI7]

19. I listen to what they say that's how I know what they want

Maybe you should try listening to them .

[uponit7771]

24. All of them?!? Haven't we seen this kind of thinking before and thought bag of it?

[uponit7771]

23. Still doesn't justify illegal collective punishment of any society

[malaise]

22. So do to others what you don't wants done to you

What a planet

[The Magistrate]

10. Who Is Blaming Any Victim?

Are you prepared to claim Israel would have turned its military loose on Gaza come the morning of, say, October 11, had Hamas not indulged its killers in a spree of sadistic rape and murder of Israelis on October 7?

[CincyDem]

27. And...is anyone prepared to claim this campaign would continue if the 130+ hostages were released?

Agree 1000% that Hamas’ attack on 10/7 initiated this.

What most people forget is that Hamas’ daily decision to keep the 130+ hostages is a continuation of the campaign they started on 10/7.

What’s going on today in Gaza is as much about Hamas decisions in the last 24 hours as it is about 10/7. All these “how many will be enough?” questions should be directed to Hamas leadership.

Want to stop all this dead in its tracks? Release the hostages. Bibi may want to eradicate Hamas but the only fuel that powers that goal is the hostages. Without them…he has zero support globally and virtually no support internally. And I believe he knows it.

Until then…tomorrow will look like today in Gaza. IMHO.

[questionseverything]

30. There are many videos of Israel "settlers" harming people, running them off their land

Way before 10-7

Same with Palestinians being detained at checkpoints over and over for the crime of trying to leave Gaza to work

Many Palestinians are held (jailed) for years without charges, not alone evidence or a trial

You like to pretend all the trouble started after 10-7 but that’s not true

[The Magistrate]

31. None Of Which Relates To The Present Events In Gaza

And I repeat the items you utterly failed to engage.

Not one bomb would be dropped on Gaza, not one person there killed or maimed, save for the sadistic murder spree Hamas indulged itself in on October 7.

Nor can it be truthfully denied that, had the nationalist leadership of Arab Palestine and the larger Arab nation accepted the UN Partition in '47, the condition today of the people of Arab Palestine would be far, far better than the state three quarters of a century's pursuit of restorative vengeance have left them to live in.


Now if you want to wrangle history of the place with me, I will try and squeeze you in.

Shall we, say, speak of 1929 and Hebron?

How about pogroms earlier in the twenties, there really is quite a selection to be gone over.

How about title reform pressed on the Ottoman rulers by European banks as a condition of loans to stave off bankruptcy? If you don't recognize the pertinence, well....

Perhaps the eager embrace of Nazi propaganda and assistance in the mid-thirties by the Mufti, among other Arab Nationalist leaders?

I can think of lots more off the top of my head, but haven't time at present.

I don't think the history of the place, or its troubles, began on October 7. For me, October 7 drew a line across it, dividing what went before from what went after. You reference a good deal of petty shite in the West Bank. A good deal of it is stuff I would have cared about on October 6. I don't now. And won't again.

Ask yourself why.

[questionseverything]

32. The conditions I mentioned that the Palestinians lived under weren't petty

And if you can’t admit those conditions have everything to do with 10-7, you just aren’t honest

You like bringing up stuff from 70 years ago but ignore bibi ignoring intel and allowing the massacre to happen

“ be careful not to become what you hate “

[The Magistrate]

33. So Your View, Sir, Is The Atrocities Of October 7 Are Justified?

Because I can't think of any other reason to ask me to 'admit those conditions have everything to do with 10-7'. and that is, after all, the Hamas credo....


"We are victims. Anything we do is justified."

[questionseverything]

35. You said if it wasn't for 10-7 no one would be maimed or killed

I’m pointing out that isn’t true

The horrid events of 10-7 can’t be justified but they didn’t happen in a vacuum either

[AZLD4Candidate]

36. So terrorism is the only weapon they have? What did the 1400 that were butchered do?

Could some of them been Palestinian supporters?

[The Magistrate]

37. Not a Bad Wriggle, Sir, But Not a Successful One

I said that were it not for the sadistic spree of rape and murder Hamas indulged itself in on October 7, not one bomb would be dropped on Gaza, not one person in Gaza killed or maimed. Unless you are prepared to assert Israel would in any case have commenced bombing runs over Gaza on, say, October 11 of this year, just out of the blue, for the hell of it?

It is clear to any reading this you have not only offered the same 'justification' for the spree of sadistic rape and murder Hamas indulged itself in on October 7, but have restated it, and done so while dismissing as of no importance elements of the deeper history of the conflict. Hebron in '29 was not a casual choice to head the list....


"The willfully ignorant can't be taught. the stupid can't be reasoned with. The moral cretin can't be rescued."

[questionseverything]

38. The people of Gaza and the West Bank are killed and maimed on a regular basis

I never mentioned bombing although I would guess the intel bibi ignored was his way of making the bombing justified

Lihop

[The Magistrate]

39. That Effort, Sir, Is Beneath Even You

"I'm going home. Someone get me some frogs and some bourbon."

[AloeVera]

4. Orgy of vengeance and destruction

Another example of the "utmost care" taken to protect civilians.

That poor baby was not a human shield for anything nor were those other sheltering civilians killed and injured.

The human shield trope is a transparent but diabolical excuse for this orgy of vengeance and violence leading to the total destruction of Gaza and the forced exodus of the population.

I don't know who can still defend this unless they are willfully blind.

[David__77]

7. Unfortunately, this baby is more fortunate than the thousands who have been killed so far.

[AloeVera]

8. Yes, but still in danger.

Lucky to be alive but now motherless which is tragic. But she's not out of the woods yet as she is caught in a war zone where the population is being starved and supplies of infant formula may be non-existent. There is no sanitation or clean water and if she gets sick as a result the hospitals are mostly closed or under attack or have no supplies.

Imagine trying to keep a baby or young child alive under those conditions. We really can't begin to know the depth of suffering and terror being inflicted there.

[Jedi Guy]

34. There is no "human shield trope" here.

Hamas uses human shields without a shred of remorse. This isn't a trope, it's a documented fact. That being the case, what is Israel to do? Sit on its hands and watch impotently as Hamas lobs rockets into Israel, doing nothing as those rockets kill Israeli civilians? Why on earth should they do that?

Hamas puts the innocents of Gaza at risk by hiding among and behind them. Israel is under no obligation to meekly sacrifice its own people in the way you're demanding.

[SoFlaBro]

9. Hamas's business is dead Palestinian women and babies and business is A-BOOMIN'!!

They love this shit.

[AloeVera]

11. Well, it seems Israel is a willing partner in the business, though the sole perpetrator of the killings.

Stating the obvious here, but shouldn't a "civilized" Western nation be held to a higher standard?

No, the human shield excuse is not an excuse.

[SoFlaBro]

12. Hamas doesn't care how they die as long as the children are DEAD.

[AloeVera]

14. It's Israel doing the killing now.

Regardless of your views on Hamas and what they may be thinking/feeling, there is only so far the Blame Hamas theme can go. It's Israel committing the war crimes now.

I'm saying that the indiscriminate killing of babies or any other innocent or non-combatant is wrong, whichever side does it.

We should not accept the use of JDAMS, dumb bombs, 2000 lb. bombs on densely populated civilian areas in any circumstances. Nor the deliberate, prolonged starvation of the whole population and the systematic forced closing and destruction of the few hospitals that can care for the injured. This is barbarism, not modern warfare that has rules.

[SoFlaBro]

20. To Hamas, who does the killing is not important. Their goal is to win the information and propaganda war. Dead babies

help that for them.

[The Magistrate]

21. True, Sir

And they can't succeed at that without people whose heads are as soft as their hearts....

[uponit7771]

25. US and it's allies should be far removed from handing any terrorist propaganda wins

[AZSkiffyGeek]

29. Trading on one of the oldest antisemitic tropes

Jews kill babies. I’ve been waiting for matzoh to enter the conversation. Or maybe horns.

[Waterguy]

13. I think all of this is beyond me

I believe HAMAS is a terrorist group who in the end cares nothing for the Palestinian people.
I also to believe that many in Israel are good people who want peace.

I'm not so sure about the far-right leader in Isreal. And I think he is more than partly to blame
for a long score of the suffering in both the West Bank and in Gaza today, but, he is not the only one.

How to stop HAMAS, is a huge question. I respect the majority of people who live in Iran, but not their theocracy.
The theocracy in Iran contributes to terrorist actions, but at the same time the turmoil in the Middle East has many entities to blame.


Like most observers, many folks in Israel, what we see is happening now is abhorred.

Over 55 thousand wounded innocent people, twenty thousand killed, no support, after years and years of being
situated, cutoff by economic, social blockade.

Meanwhile, the Saudi's go after innocent folk in Yemin, and the US, supplies them (the Saudis) with weapons,
And we backed Mubarik. (yada yada - yes, the yiddish dialogue points to a lot of earnest crap that does suck very much)

Oil, control, a lot of hegemonic control,
wasn't like some crazy Joe down the street had much to do with it,
that greasy son of a gun, who held rock and roll sessions in his garage,
you know, that hippy MF.

Of course I'm alluding to Joe's Garage, and Frank Zappa
why if you ask me, it's the very first thing that comes to mind.

Who the heck are we, not the white guy, the lady, but the enterprise, the
ship, what is okay to say, and can't you see past the lie
that allows for all of this shit?

Imagine it was you.

[claudette]

26. 🥲

Sad

[Mysterian]

28. Hamas turned Gaza into a war zone

which is unfortunate for the innocent children, whom Hamas doesn't give a shit about.