Facebook Photo Of Woman At Tomb Of The Unknowns Sparks Outrage

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I wonder what her username here is?

BOSTON (CBS) – Two women have been placed on unpaid leave from their jobs after their photo at Arlington National Cemetery in Virginia angered thousands of people on Facebook.

Lindsey Stone was visiting the Tomb of the Unknowns last month on a business trip when she posed for a picture next to a sign that reads “silence and respect.”

In the photo, Stone is pretending to yell and she’s showing her middle finger.

The photo, taken by a co-worker, went viral and sparked thousands of angry comments.

Some of those comments were posted on the Facebook page of their employer, Living Independently Forever, Inc.,(LIFE) a non-profit organization in Hyannis that helps adults with disabilities on Cape Cod.

More... http://boston.cbslocal.com/2012/11/20/facebook-photo-of-plymouth-woman-at-tomb-of-the-unknowns-sparks-outrage/

Moral of the story... don't do stupid shit and upload it to FaceBook unless you want to suffer the consequences.

Better yet... stay off FaceBook altogether.

[seabeyond]

1. What a nasty thing to suggest about a duer

[dmr]

10. Thank you. That was very insulting. n/t

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11. Not really...

wasn't that long ago that some here were mocking the "Old Guard" at Arlington National Cemetery.

[LanternWaste]

14. I suppose a simple mind would extrapolate from that

I suppose a simple mind would extrapolate from that the OP is indeed a picture of a DUer... and believe themselves not merely clever.

I imagine we all advertise our character in unintended ways.

[obamanut2012]

17. There was no mocking

[CreekDog]

29. wasn't that long ago you were posting fake pictures of Trayvon Martin

in order to make him look like a stereotype.

[JustAnotherGen]

54. This is the poster that did that

Didn't he/she? Thanks for the reminder. Now I know what I'm dealing with.

[CreekDog]

96. yup, they are the one

[Blue_Tires]

71. He's also been conspicuously absent from the more recent threads

since the "narrative" isn't playing out as he thought it would...

But I told him back then I'd have my day before it was all over...

[liberalmuse]

45. TOTALLY Uncalled for.

There are many DUer's here who have served in the military. I served. There are many DUers who support the military even though they don't support trumped up wars. To insinuate this stupid woman is a member of our community is beyond the pale.

[Arctic Dave]

74. Is the old guard above mocking?

Why?

[Electric Monk]

15. Par for the course for "Dirty Sanchez" aka D_S aka morse code guy -..__...

He enjoyed defending Zimmerman for awhile and loves disparaging Rachel Maddow too.

Anyone else see a pattern of behavior?

The jury went 3-3 on his latest OP so expect this thread to stink up the place for awhile.

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18. First I heard of it.

Link?

The jury went 3-3 on his latest OP so expect this thread to stink up the place for awhile.

[Electric Monk]

20. Link to what, my inbox? I didn't get detailed results. Someone else had alerted before I did.

nt

[rDigital]

173. How the gatekeeping going? nt

[Electric Monk]

178. Keep on digging. nt

[NYC_SKP]

260. Two ghosts!

In yer subthread!

[dixiegrrrrl]

38. Trash thread was invented for posts like this.

thankfully.

[Cali_Democrat]

78. morse code guy is an obvious conservative

very obvious.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

221. I Would Think He/She Is Still Removing The Boot We Put Up His/Her Ass On 11/6/NT

[JustAnotherGen]

53. +1

[get the red out]

2. Facebook

A place where cute pet pictures are best.

[Barack_America]

3. "Banned_Freeper"?

Lest we forget, the Democratic party actually honors veterans.

[aquart]

4. "Obviously"?

Girl needs a dictionary.

[gollygee]

5. That's what I thought too

It is certainly not obvious by a long shot that she meant no disrespect. It looks incredibly disrespectful to me.

[TheMadMonk]

181. Actually it is fairly obvious it's a staged "don't tell me what to do"...

...thing that some people think is clever, and generally sinks like a stone on Cheezburger, because what might have been worth a mild chuckle first time around is hair tearingly annoying after the 30th or 40th copycat.

[Atman]

6. If Dave Chappel had done something like this, he'd have been paid $100,000

And would have broadcast on national tv as a comedy sketch.



.

[Swamp Lover]

112. but its not funny

crass is crass

[sadbear]

7. Some people take shit way too seriously.

Smelling salt sales are skyrocketing. Along with fainting couches.

[closeupready]

12. +1,000,000.

Sheez. Journalists today just seem to lazily pick ever-lower hanging fruit for inspiration.

[patrice]

32. Others don't take shit seriously enough. And then there's those who just don't take shit period.

Count me in the last group.

[seabeyond]

41. love lOVe LOVE this. lol. simply love it.

i wish i could remember this one for everytime i hear it.

perfect.

[patrice]

47. .

Have a Happy Thanksgiving, seabeyond!

[seabeyond]

52. and

the same to you, woman.

[patrice]

69. You really are more of a sweetie than you let on around here, but then, this IS a pretty tough place

Happy Holidays to your family, seabeyond!

[seabeyond]

92. i keep telling everyone how nice i am....

and they refuse to believe.

i believe....

thank you.

[snooper2]

50. how do you react

when people put your wipers up?

[Arctic Dave]

75. ROFL

Internet tough guys are funny.

[patrice]

102. Wrong. Unlike those who make fun of others, I'm not tough. I just can take care of myself & I'm not

I'm not playing in any high school popularity contest here, so I don't have to stop and think about who will/won't approve, like some others may do, before if I step into something on someone else's behalf.

[sekha68]

123. I love this.

[Honeycombe8]

154. I think that should be taken seriously. If someone did that to your grandpa's grave...

and posted it on FB for laughs, you probably would take that seriously.

Some things ARE serious.

You don't think that's a big deal? That's your right. It's also the right of her employer not to want someone like that working for him. If someone is that callous toward others, no telling what they will end up doing in the work place.

[sadbear]

157. She was just posing for a picture. Probably lasted less than 5 seconds.

She wasn't yelling (it's obvious from the picture) either.

Get over it. It was just a silly picture.

If that's disrespect, WTF are we doing supporting President Obama right now. And you know what I'm talking about. If that's disrespect, he's doing more to disrespect that cemetery than anyone else right now.

(And since I don't think it's disrespect, I can support President Obama with a clear conscience. Can you?)

[Honeycombe8]

159. It takes less time than that to kill someone.

The amount of time isn't the issue.

It's showing disrespect for the tomb of someone whose remains couldn't be identified. Yeah, that's real funny. It also shows disrespect to those who revere the tomb.

It's very disrespectful and very juvenile. Not someone I'd want working for me. Not mature enough to be trusted with business matters or the complicated social relations necessary in the work place.

It's silly to YOU. But what it means to YOU isn't really teh whole point, is it? It's that it is not silly to most others. It's not just about you.

[Springslips]

165. True

But she should have known better. Sure there are too many people with corn ears up their crack, but there is also too many people like her who are totally clueless of the culture they are in.

[Politicub]

236. +1

Oh noes!

[closeupready]

8. Takes very little these days to make headlines - last week,

it was the pizza delivery guy peeing on the front door of the woman who stiffed him out of his tip.

Today, it's some crazy photo that gets posted to Facebook, and suddenly, it's national news.

I mean, how lazy are journalists today that instead of getting out there and actually reporting about worthy subjects, modern journalism now is like 12-year-old's tattling on teacher's pet to mommy? Seriously.

This is a complete non-story.

[stuntcat]

84. right?

ALL the REAL terrible things going on in the world, but this kinda stuff is what my fellow citizens bother about.

[closeupready]

91. Al-Jazeera, Guardian - nothing can touch those two sources

for merit-worthy journalism and hardhitting news, IMO. Maybe Der Spiegel, too.

[Brickbat]

132. The main reason? Shrinking newsrooms. It's a lot easier to write about a "social media" kerfuffle

than go through the latest documents at city hall. And many editors don't have a clue. (I can say that; I was one.) "Face Book, you say? Thousands of people, you say? Why get down there, my boy!"

[Chiyo-chichi]

9. Why do you have to disparage DU by suggesting that she is a member?

You're free to go if you don't like the company here.

[2ndAmForComputers]

60. The answer to that

is obvious.

[bluestate10]

13. I hope they keep their jobs. May be they have learned what the term "Stupid" means. nt

[MADem]

195. They lost their jobs--but their employer is famous for firing people so he can replace them with

people at a lower wage. That "LIFE" outfit is one of the worst going. They are abusive towards their employees and the parents who pay for their special needs kids to get a leg up in the world are getting fleeced by that shitty organization. Real bottom feeders running that joint...turnover, even in this tough economy, is way OTT.

[GermanSmoker]

16. Yo

I think the picture is funny. And the outrage about it just shows that too many people in the USA idolize the military.

[glacierbay]

22. Theres nothing funny about disrespect towards the dead

and it's not idolizing the military, it's about respecting veterans of the military who served their country.

[Arctic Dave]

57. Yes, it is idolizing.

Just because someone was in the military doesn't mean they are better then others.

Elitist and snobish is what it is.

[glacierbay]

114. Who the fuck said that?

It is not about idolizing, it's about respect.

[Arctic Dave]

124. When you think you are above jokes and mockery you don't deserve respect.

Anyone I ever respected was able to take a joke and never thought they were above the next person because of deeds done.

[FBaggins]

130. And when you think nothing is above crass behavior... you have none to give.

So why would anyone care if they had earned it?

[Arctic Dave]

137. Refusing to abide by silly guidelines so as not offend the danty is not crass.

Should we all talk in hushed tones when we speak of the king?

[Union Scribe]

140. It's a burial place you cretin.

Yeah yeah, jury stone me. But what you call "silly guidlines" most civilized people call common decency. If you're not 6 years old, you have no excuse for not getting how to behave in a cemetery. You think you're exposing something about others, but all you're exposing is your own unimaginable ignorance. I have rarely been as disgusted by the attitudes of a DUer as I am with yours in this thread.

[xfundy]

144. Yeah, yeah.

I was on the jury for this post.

Poster needs to understand that the origin of the word "cretin" derived from "christian."

Nuff said.

[pinboy3niner]

148. +1

And those of us who have friends or family buried there can hardly be mockingly dismissed as just being "dainty."

[ronnie624]

152. Everyone has friends and family who are dead and buried.

Are all cemeteries off-limits to jokes, in your opinion, or just the ones where military personnel are buried?

[onenote]

162. If someone thought it was funny to take a crap on the grave of one of your close family members

would you defend them?

[ronnie624]

170. That would be illegal.

It is also irrelevant to whether or not the corpses of military people are more deserving of reverence than the cadavers of the general public.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

222. Why Would Somebody Want To Disrespect Any Burial Site?

[ronnie624]

224. There's nothing new about graveyard humor.

People have been laughing about death for a very long time. We've just been conditioned by propaganda to take the deaths of soldiers much more seriously. Perhaps the exaggerated solemnity assists the elites in the manufacture of consent for their wars.

[marions ghost]

241. Seconding what you say

Firing her was stupid. Just fanned the flames. A warning was in order perhaps, but firing was way overkill.

Re. the reaction to it: Silencing someone over a stupid spontaneous gesture (which harmed nobody) is dangerous.

Do people around here not see how this is tied to silencing any dissonant expression you don't happen to agree with?

[pinboy3niner]

204. Neither I nor the poster to whom I was replying made such a distinction

The question is, why are YOU introducing it?

[pecwae]

169. ++

I've never seen a post from you yet that I've disagreed with. Thanks for being here.

[cordelia]

184. Ditto that.

[rDigital]

174. + 10000000000000

[theHandpuppet]

202. +100!

Thank you.

[tabasco]

238. Well said.

A completely deserved and well-executed smackdown.

EPIC.

[FBaggins]

156. That may be true... but these are anything but "silly"

You obviously share a civility blind spot with the idiot in the picture.

[AlexSatan]

149. Just as someone who is President or a Congressperson is not better

Yet, you should still still show appropriate respect.

[underoath]

25. You need to learn some respect.

[patrice]

30. You are a bigot. You just abstracted the minds of millions of PEOPLE into ONE thing, "idolize".

How very very paternalistic of you.

Perhaps you should consider asking a few people what their reactions to this picture are and what their thoughts about US military are, that is, ****IF**** you're interested in the truth and not just trolling for hurt and outrage.

F- all bigots!

Have a nice day.

[JoeyT]

88. So if this was just some random cemetary,

that didn't involve the military in any way, do you think the reaction to this picture would be the same?

[seabeyond]

93. yes. but then, if it was not military, some ass would not be behaving in this manner. nt

[glacierbay]

115. It damn sure would be with me

It doesn't matter whether it's a military cemetary or a civilian cemetary, it's all the same to me.

[JoeyT]

143. Same here.

I almost added a "To many of us I think it would be the same" at the end of the other post, but I could think of too many ways it could be taken badly.

[ret5hd]

19. I know what her username here is: it's " -..__... "

[Rex]

21. She looks really stupid in that picture

and I am guessing global humiliation via the WWW has to sting some. People do stupid shit all the time, I'm not going to get all mad...as a matter of fact at one time I defended her right to do just what she is doing. No matter how stupid it looks. She has that right, that people died by the thousands indirectly so she could act like a clown on camera in a free country.

The employer is the one stuck in the middle. Hey what can they do? Some people have no class.

[MadrasT]

23. Pathetic and I have no sympathy for her.

If narcissistic idiots are going to take pictures of themselves doing stupid shit and plaster it on Facebook for attention... well, enjoy the attention I guess.

[underoath]

24. This girl should be ashamed of herself. I hope she gets a lot of shit for doing this.

[Initech]

26. And my friends wonder why I don't use Facebook more often.

Don't post pictures of you doing stupid shit on a public domain everyone can read. It's that simple.

[patrice]

27. I call BULL -crap, Lindsey, you & your friend are probably TROLLS intending to hurt & anger others.

[bayareamike]

28. Poor decision making will lead to poor outcomes.

She should've known that there is a huge difference between smoking under a no smoking sign and being disrespectful in a place that represents thousands of people who gave their lives for this country.

[TorchTheWitch]

191. she did know

It's why she did it.

[trumad]

31. This Vet thinks that this fucking Country has gone insane.

She was making fun of the fucking sign.

I remember seeing a sign in San Fran that said "Hill". It was on a massive Hill.

Someone wrote "No Shit" on it.

Like I said---what the fuck is wrong with this Country?

[patrice]

33. BS. What would the most-common-denominator-meme be here? & Not the inside hipster shit! nt

[FBaggins]

44. Making fun of THAT sign in that fashion proves that your argument is internally inconsistent.

Obviously there is little need for a sign that says "hill" on what is clearly a hill.

But just as obviously, there is a need for a sign reminding people to act in a respectful fashion... since this idiot felt that it was an appropriate place to take photos making fun of a sign. Quod erat demonstrandum

[patrice]

49. I love logic! Well said!

[trumad]

63. yeah....so tar and feather her

Fucking insane

[FBaggins]

67. Again... she wasn't arrested.

Nobody egged her house or beat her up.

She just lost the ability to convince her employer that she was worth keeping around (and likely convinced many of her "friends" that she wasn't worth having as a friend).

[MADem]

176. The place where she worked--and was fired--is famous for treating their employees like shit.

It's kind of ironic...

[Arctic Dave]

76. Yes, we must be "proper" at the tourist sites now.

Should we put a no yelling sign at the Grand Canyon?

Echos of voices are disrespectful to the piece and quiet of nature.

[FBaggins]

97. "Tourist" site?

If you're old enough to post online, you should be mature enough to tell the difference.

[Arctic Dave]

100. It is what it is.

Maybe the blind reverence is affecting your vision.

[pinboy3niner]

146. The place is a cemetery where, for some of us, the reverence is hardly "blind"--it's personal

It's not just a "tourist site" like the Grand Canyon. Grieving families and friends come there every day to visit the graves of their loved ones or to attend new burials.

Some of my friends are buried there, including a best friend whose war trauma eventually led to suicide, and a roommate who was awarded the Medal of Honor posthumously after he sacrificed his life to save the lives of others.

I don't think a little respect for the dead and sensitivity to the feelings of their living families and friends is too much to ask.

[coalition_unwilling]

175. Historical note: Arlington is situated on what used to be the

pre-Civil War plantation of Robert E. Lee. Confiscated as contraband of war by the Army of the Potomac soon after Virginia seceded. That has always struck me as deeply moving and deeply fitting.

[pinboy3niner]

206. And was used to bury Union war dead

When I first went to D.C. in '77 on a "D.C. Semester" program from USC, the Custis-Lee mansion was one of our first field trips. I ended up living near there for 16 years--shopping at the Ft. Myer PX and commissary, attending events there, visiting Arlington National Cemetery (and attending one interment of a friend there following his memorial service at a chapel on-post).

One of my Army Infantry OCS classmates was assigned to the Old Guard when he was commissioned, before he went to Vietnam. And the federal agency I worked for had its annual staff picnic at Ft. Myer once. (That was the time my young son, on being introduced to the head of my agency, told him he looked like Boss Hogg--and I suddenly saw my career flash before my eyes. )

Yet for all my time there, I suspect you're more up on the detailed history of that place.

[onenote]

163. I'm curious how you would feel about someone photographed flipping the bird at JFK's gravesite?

Just another fun loving jokester or behavior that is validly subject to criticism?

[marions ghost]

243. I would not feel it necessary to defend JFK's gravesite

People have all kinds of opinions I disagree with. I don't feel it necessary to stifle them.

I save my energy for the real criminals and abusers in high places.

[Union Scribe]

107. What's wrong with this country?

I dunno, people who can't discern the time or place for obvious trite "humor"?

[trumad]

127. its a stupid fucking sign.

[FBaggins]

129. Did you even look at the photo?

It isn't the sign that's stupid.

[Union Scribe]

139. It's a cemetery.

One would hope the sign wouldn't even be necessary, but with the idiot in that picture and everyone like her I suppose it is.

[NCTraveler]

161. Sign is kind of stupid.

But this idiot makes it clear as to why the sign is necessary. Some people have no class.

[a la izquierda]

34. Ahh, disgusting.

My grandfather served in WWII, and I'm married to a man whose family has had at least one male serve in every generation since the Revolution.

[bluedigger]

35. With empathy like that she probably sucks at her job, too.

The hell with her.

[patrice]

36. Trollish. Self-aggrandizing hidden-agenda ambitious BULL -crap. More of the "nothing means anything"

clique.

[Arctic Dave]

37. Uh oh, I see the military idolators clutching their pearls.

Lighten the fuck up, Francis'.

Military is above comedy. Bow before their superior being.



And before you crybabies start in on me, piss off, I have served.

[LanternWaste]

64. I imagine when we have no argument other than criticism

"military idolators clutching their pearls...."


I imagine when we have no argument other than criticism, we are often forced to attribute sentiments to others that are simply not there...

[Arctic Dave]

68. Other then an entire thread of them.

Better call for more whaaaambulances.



So many, I haz sads.

[dawg]

39. Poor taste.

Even if you don't respect the military, at least respect the memory of those who were ground up in the wheels of war far before their time.

[LP2K12]

40. Does this bother me as a veteran?

No.

We're all just human. Stupid happens.

[Kingofalldems]

42. Too bad about the election.

[freshwest]

108. You just made me go woot!

[quinnox]

43. this is a free country and she has every right to do that

the first amendment is the foundation of our country.

[FBaggins]

46. She wasn't arrested

Amazing how few people understand that foundation. "Free speech" does not mean "no consequences for any kind for your personal expression"

Other residents of our free country are free to express their dissatisfaction with her behavior... including her employer.

[quinnox]

48. well, if her employer fires her or demotes her she should file a lawsuit

and sue their stupid asses to kingdom come.

[FBaggins]

59. Then she'll be out of a job AND out whatever the lawsuit cost her.

You act as if she has a right to continued employement absent violating some law. In reality she has no grounds for a lawsuit unless she had a contract (or the company had employment policies) significantly more ammenable to such behavior than most of the state.

The employer is under no obligation to employ a person whose behavior (whether at work or off) damages the company's reputation.

[WinniSkipper]

189. Why?

She made the choice to put this out on FB. It was her actions alone that created a terrible situation for her employer - especially considering her line of work. If I were her employer I would terminate her as well.

If someone had taken a picture of her and her co-worker while they were taking the photo - and then posted it online - I would have some sympathy for her. That could at least be construed as a private moment. This was her to choice to broadcast this image of her to the world

[WeekendWarrior]

51. Really?

I agree that she's being an idiot and disrespectful, but the mob-like reaction is just as bad, to my mind. Unfriend her or ignore her. But demand she be fired? Ridiculous.

[RedCappedBandit]

55. We're all free to judge, and she's free to mock signs.

She shouldn't lose her job.

[MadHound]

56. A lot of people were better off before the internet,

You could take pictures of yourself doing stupid stuff and nobody would care, much less see them. Now, in our brave new digital all connected world, your pictures of stupid stuff(or even not so stupid stuff), winds up on FB, being spread across the world, costing you your job or worse.

As for your comment about wondering which DUer this is, again, you were probably better off before the internet, where nobody could see the stupid shit you write.

[dionysus]

122. ok

well played

[coalition_unwilling]

177. Best low-key put-down EVER! Tip of my hat to you! - Bravo! - n/t

[ramapo]

58. What does this have to do with her job?

Yes this woman was obnoxious and very stupid. Why people post anything and everything to Facebook beyond me. But her job is her job and her life is her life. It is a scary place that this society is racing towards when your employment is based upon what you do when you are not in work.

[Luminous Animal]

62. I am sure the dead are all rolling in their graves.

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65. The trip was organized by her employer...

and the pic was taken by the CEO.

Regardless... once something like this goes viral, and the general public goes after the offender and that persons employer, the employers hand is forced to take some sort of action.

[FBaggins]

66. Does it impact her employer's reputation in the community?

Of course it does.

This is a nonprofit organization that deals with adults with various mental disabilities. They specifically advertise that their staff provides a "nurturing and caring environment". Who they choose to employ certainly impacts the public's view of their ability to provide this nurturing/caring environment.

"Obnoxious and very stupid" doesn't fit that need. They absolutely could lose business because of her actions.

They're under no obligation to continue her employment.

"It is a scary place that this society is racing towards" the belief that you can do whatever you want and the rest of society has to enable that behavior.

[PavePusher]

101. My continued employment is based on what I do both on and off the job.

22+ years USAF. So cry me a freakin' river.

[glacierbay]

116. Mine does also

30 years LE.

[Arctic Dave]

125. Must suck to have a job that dictates the way you can act every second.

It is one thing to act a certain way on your own but when you are told what to do is totally different, the next thing they do is tell what to think, then what to say.

That is why I told the military to kiss my ass years ago and left.

[PavePusher]

128. I can certainly see why you'd leave the military. n/t

[TeeYiYi]

61. It's a joke! She's pretending...

... to be loud AND disrespectful in front of a sign that requests the opposite. She's being a non conformist. She doesn't deserve to lose her job over it.

I did drugs once next to a sign that said Drug Free Zone. It happened quite by accident but my friend laughed her ass off.

TYY

[Blue_Tires]

73. Yeah it's one of those things that seems like a funny/witty thing to do

right up until the moment you actually do it And I've had a *lot* of those moments in my life, since I find a lot of things funny that most average people don't (luckily those moments were before the age of social media)

But this just seems immature and juvenile--I don't know how old the woman is, but it's hard to image this behavior from anyone past high school...FWIW, if I was a high-schooler on a field trip or something, I could easily see myself pulling this stunt or something similar (along with almost any of my friends from that time)

[TeeYiYi]

80. I agree it was in extremely poor taste...

...but I still don't believe she should lose her job over it.

Facebook is scary.

TYY

[Blue_Tires]

87. Well, I'd agree if she did this on her own vacation time

but on a business trip where you're representing your employer? Not smart...

[TeeYiYi]

90. Did she post it to the company facebook page?... No....

Are you really suggesting that the company somehow owns her every waking moment of that trip? I disagree.

Also, did she reference the company in the post to her own facebook page? I'm not sure. I'm asking...

TYY

On Edit: I went back to the OP and found this: "Some of those comments were posted on the Facebook page of their employer..." That does seem to change a few things; that and the fact that a co-worker took the pic. I still don't think she should be fired but her biggest problem seems to be facebook.

[patrice]

105. The oldest form of aggression there is "humor". nt

[Skip Intro]

70. No sympathy for her. "Obviously we meant NO disrespect..."

Yeah, obviously....

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

72. Meh, she's an idiot Masshole

MOST people from the Bay State are fine, but some take pride in being obnoxious, boorish d-bags for some reason. It's gotten worse since they started winning shit in sports and having every other movie about mobsters and low lifes set in Boston, Charlestown, Lowell, etc....

I deal with them on an almost daily basis, it ain't fun.

[Jennicut]

119. Their driving sure is atrocious.

Cross that state line from Connecticut to Mass and boom, the honking starts. Just kidding, sort of. Massholes.

[MADem]

179. Broad brush, much? What nasty and bigoted commentary!

And you're carping about someone using that kind of "lumping language?"

What does that say about you?

Irony is alive, well and living in RI?

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

185. Awesome job ignoring the "MOST people in Mass are fine" part

Wouldn't want you to miss out on a big heaping helping of outrage! Hope you enjoyed it! Cheers!

[MADem]

196. Your original post lets us see the true flavor of your feelings.

All your griping about sports is just stupid and has nothing to do with people from the Bay State in particular--most New Englanders support the Boston-based teams. It's not like RI or CT or NH can field a competitive franchise, anyway. There are noxious Bruins, Celtics, Sox and Patriot fans from other NE states, too--in case you weren't clear on that. It's not a characteristic of sports fans that stops at the Commonwealth's borders.

That subject line of yours sucks, and I stand by my comments--yours were out of line.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

198. Yawn

Christ, are you still going?

Hope Brady doesn't tear his ACL going for another touchdown up 70-3.

[MADem]

205. I am not a football fan. I don't follow along or watch it, save the Superbowl on occasion.

I pay attention during the advertisements.

Yawn, indeed...

But do double down on your commentary; by your own snarking words we know you!

[valerief]

216. Proud to Ignore you. nt

[Jersey Devil]

77. I'm surprised no one there got in trouble for assaulting her

If I saw something like that I am sure it would be pretty hard not to smack her across the face.

[WinkyDink]

82. Hope you like the idea of being arrested for assault and battery.

[Jersey Devil]

85. Maybe you didn't read what I said properly

I said it would be pretty hard not to do it, not that I would do it.

[Puregonzo1188]

218. Do you often have the urge to hit women?

[WinkyDink]

79. Disrespectful, stupid, puerile---BUT FREE SPEECH. Kind of what the fighting was about.

And I say this as a devoted monthly donor to the PVA and VFW.

[Mugu]

83. And now she is experiencing other people’s speech. n/t

[patrice]

106. +++1

[WinkyDink]

118. I always say the same as you: It goes every which way. But she is still entitled.

[gollygee]

117. This isn't a freedom of speech issue

If she were arrested over it, then it would be a freedom of speech issue. She has the right to do this and can't be arrested for it.

She doesn't have the right to avoid any consequences for her immaturity and lack of judgement.

[WinkyDink]

120. Well, if all of us were fired over "lack of judgment" OFF THE JOB, unemployment would SOAR.

[gollygee]

121. I think that's a reasonable thing to question

whether something she did off the job that was legal is a fair reason to fire her. I think it's at best questionable, even though she was disrespectful. But it isn't a freedom of speech issue.

[AlexSatan]

150. Tell that to Tiger Woods

(and many other examples I could produce)

[JI7]

81. This had nothing to do with the soldiers, they were joking around with signs

doing opposite of what it asks .

they were still stupid to show the pics like that, but i dont think they should get fired over it.

[former-republican]

89. Her employer thinks different.

[demosincebirth]

86. I wonder what her parents think of her actions?

[Enrique]

94. keep in mind it was a company trip

so at least it makes some sense that her company might discipline her. Before I saw that fact, it made no sense to me.

[rrneck]

95. She's being disrespectful and stupid.

Doubly stupid to advertise the fact.

Soldiering is hard dangerous work in peacetime, much less when some fucker's shooting at you. Those soldiers died in service to their country and they deserve respect. They fucking earned it. They didn't die to give some asshole a funny photo op.

ETA:
Implying that she's a DUer is some pretty rude shit.

[apocalypsehow]

103. "Implying that she's a Duer is some pretty rude shit" - Agreed. I think the OP would be fine,

or unobjectionable is probably a better word, if the poster removed that one sentence. The vast, vast majority of DU'ers from all sides of the progressive spectrum DO NOT approve of the person's actions (whether it's a free speech issue is another question).

[Blue_Tires]

109. +1000

Besides, the only time I see the "Which DUer was this?" meme is in the lounge when someone posts "news of the weird"...

at least that's the only time i use it

[coalition_unwilling]

180. I was asked to serve on a jury for this but had to bail out b/c I had a scheduling conflict

and felt I should disqualify myself this time round.

However, as I have now read through the thread, I would have voted to suppress for this reason:

The OP insinuates that this sentiment is one that would find approbation here on DU by one or more DUers. Thus the OP is insinuating that DU hates the military and does not respect those who have given the last, full measure of devotion. That is a vicious slur of the DU membership, akin to the slur that the antiwar movement spat upon returning Vietnam Vets many years ago. There's no point suppressing any posts if we're not going to suppress vicious slurs.

[PavePusher]

104. Speaking of broad-brush call-outs.... n/t

[HereSince1628]

110. God forbid someone laugh at the pretentious theater OUTSIDE the tombs

in these jingoistic times.

I visited the site back in 1974, near the end of my active duty service that earned me Vietnam Service and Vietnam Campaign Ribbons, without other distinction.

What I saw wasn't respect on the part of the guards.

What I saw was theater, absolute embarrassing fucking theater.

I can't imagine ANY veteran expecting such embarrassing attention to stupidity.

I don't REALLY think that a dying veteran would expect a person to guard their grave with a spotless silver butt-plate on a weapon that is entirely for show.

Nor do I think a dying veteran really gives a fuck about guards wearing footprints into a rubber mat on the marble.

I think those dying vets cared about failing their squad members, and not being able to see their families again EVER.

I think those dying vets knew fear and pain.

Do their deaths in the service of civilian leaders deserve respect? Yes.

But just WHO gets to define RESPECT?

[Arctic Dave]

126. Well said and probably the best post on this thread. nt

[NickB79]

111. The irony is that vets fought for the right to freedom of speech

Whether you agree with what she's saying in this photo or not is irrelevant.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

135. Get something straight, please....

Freedom of Speech refers to freedom to speak one's mind without molestation by the government. If this young woman were arrested and charged with a crime for expressing an opinion, I would be the first to defend her.

But Freedom of Speech does NOT mean you can say whatever dumb-ass, hateful thing you want without suffering the fall-out in other ways. You CAN lose your job, you CAN lose your standing in the community, you CAN be shunned by your friends and family.

Life has consequences.

[SidDithers]

145. Such a simple concept...

Well said.

Sid

[muriel_volestrangler]

164. Many would question whether she should lose her job for something outside it

I don't think "fire at will" is a popular concept on DU; and there should be limits for how much an employer can control what you do with your private life, eg on Facebook.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

168. That may be...

But the fact is that unless you have a contract or are otherwise protected from termination, an employer can fire you for bad public behavior. And one could certainly argue that there is nothing "private" about something posted on Facebook.

But my larger point is that this is not a First Amendment issue.

[marions ghost]

242. What she did was not "hateful"

...it was silly.

What about the hate being directed at her for a thoughtless stupid act? Have we not all done something stupid?

The over-reaction to this is amazing.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

245. She was giving the finger to the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier...

I suppose that to some right-wing asshole, burning a cross isn't hateful either, but to anybody who isn't a fucking moron, it most certainly is.

Flipping off dead soldiers at a shrine created in their memory is hateful, and you'd have to be a complete blithering idiot to not understand why people might, just might, be offended by it.

[marions ghost]

247. Just as I'm SURE you did not mean to ACTUALLY

call me personally --a "complete blithering idiot" -- I am SURE that this gal did not intend to give the finger to the unknown soldier.

No, I don't understand why people are so defensive and thin-skinned they can't just scoff at a spontaneous naughty gesture in response to a very imperious SIGN. Scoff and move on. This need not be an insult to anyone, unless you trump it up and make it so.

Now where did I put that blood pressure cuff? Give me your wrist.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

248. Look at the picture...

If you think she did that accidently, then I am absolutely calling you a complete blithering idiot.

And if I should I call someone a rat-fucking shithead, you're telling me that it "need not be an insult to anyone" unless they trump it up and make it so.

Interesting...

[marions ghost]

249. OK now I'm sure you ARE calling me a complete blithering idiot

...just because I disagree with you. Naughty naughty --remember the rules. "This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate." (See Community Standards.)

But just as I would suggest not getting incensed about this woman's dumb gesture in reacting to a sign-- this is how I react to you and your verbal taunts.........................

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

250. Not in the least...

You're confessing to being a blithering idiot by not understanding that someone might be justifiably upset about "disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate" behavior directed toward the tomb of a dead soldier in Arlington National Cemetary.

You see, if flipping off a man who died protecting his country is not offensive (by DU rules), then suggesting that some one might be a blithering idiot, or might even be a rat-fucking shithead, should certainly not be any less offensive. How could it be?

What you're basically suggesting here is that there's is no such thing as a community standard for one's public behavior, and that only, as you put it, "defensive and thin-skinned" people take offense to other people's actions. So I shouldn't be offended by the neo-klansmen who hanged racist effigies of Barack Obama during the last election. I'm just being "defensive and thin-skinned" because nobody should ever take offense at the guy who paints a swastika on the door of the local synagogue.

If this woman is too fucking stupid to understand that her behaviour might have been offensive, and if she's furthermore so fucking stupid that she posted it on Facebook for the whole world to see, then she's too fucking stupid to hold a job.

[marions ghost]

254. Really?

Real soldiers have bigger battles to fight than this little nothing prank you want to elevate to the level of cross-burnings. Whole lotta pent-up hate goin' on in your post. I'm sure there's a reason for that. OK, if it makes you feel better, I am a blithering idiot and she's too fucking stupid to hold a job. There--feel better?

It's only words on a page (and pix on FB). Suggest to save it for the real battles.

Cya

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

256. Realizing that you have a problem is the first step

Now that you're shared with me your level of cognition, it's easy for me to understand why you don't get this.

When Westboro Baptist Church pickets soldiers funerals, they're assholes with a fucked-up sense of morality. When the woman in the picture flips the bird to a dead soldier, she's an asshole with a fucked-up sense of humor.

And I find it really curious that what you refer to as "pent-up hate" is what most normal people would consider "common decency."

[bigwillq]

113. The poor girl. She should've made a movie and called it Borat.

She would've been rich.

[Raine]

133. her name is -..__... that's obvious, what you project on others is what you are or do yourself. nt

[HappyMe]

134. She's is definitely a chickenshit

piece of shit.

When my stepson that is stationed in Afghanistan as a sniper comes home in January, I'll make sure to show him this stupid cb*&^%$ and ask him what he thinks of her.

Stupid fucking bitch. I really don't care if she thought it wa 'funny' or 'ironic' or whatever this bc)*&^% thinks.

I am sorry, but my gut reaction to this crap is not pc at fucking all. In light of my family, where can I line up top punch her?

[Odin2005]

136. Classless asshole.

[H2O Man]

141. Irish wakes

often rely upon far more "offensive" humor than this.

[Renew Deal]

147. She's an idiot

[ZombieHorde]

151. I laughed. nt

[LanternWaste]

153. Suicide in the Trenches...

I knew a simple soldier boy
Who grinned at life in empty joy,
Slept soundly through the lonesome dark,
And whistled early with the lark.

In winter trenches, cowed and glum,
With crumps and lice and lack of rum,
He put a bullet through his brain.
No one spoke of him again.

You smug-faced crowds with kindling eye
Who cheer when soldier lads march by,
Sneak home and pray you'll never know
The hell where youth and laughter go.

~ Sigfried Sasson ~

[coalition_unwilling]

183. That is so sad. Reminds me of Wilfred Owen's poetry somewhat, specifically

'Dulce et Decorum Est':

Bent double, like old beggars under sacks,
Knock-kneed, coughing like hags, we cursed through sludge,
Till on the haunting flares we turned our backs,
And towards our distant rest began to trudge.
Men marched asleep. Many had lost their boots,
But limped on, blood-shod. All went lame, all blind;
Drunk with fatigue; deaf even to the hoots
Of gas-shells dropping softly behind.

Gas! GAS! Quick, boys! -- An ecstasy of fumbling
Fitting the clumsy helmets just in time,
But someone still was yelling out and stumbling
And flound'ring like a man in fire or lime. --
Dim through the misty panes and thick green light,
As under a green sea, I saw him drowning.

In all my dreams before my helpless sight
He plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning.

If in some smothering dreams, you too could pace
Behind the wagon that we flung him in,
And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,
His hanging face, like a devil's sick of sin,
If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs
Bitter as the cud
Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues, --
My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est
Pro patria mori.

http://www.everypoet.com/archive/poetry/Wilfred_Owen/wilfred_owen_dulce_et_decorum_est.htm

[Jasana]

155. I think she was just making fun of the sign

Classy no? But she's not vandalizing graves or something horrid like that. With everything that's going on in our country now, this is what we get outraged about? Come on!

[Macoy51]

158. What the woman did was stupid, and disgusting, but...

While I feel what the woman did was stupid, and disgusting, I am disturbed by the growing trend for employers to fire workers over what they do in their own time. I saw nothing to link the woman with her employer, so claiming she discredited the company she worked for doesn’t hold water.

Again, I am in no way supporting what the DB did, I am just uneasy at her employer firing her over it. What is next, being fired because you served as a escort at an abortion clinic and your boss is pro-life?



Macoy

[Jasana]

160. As a former union rep...

...this trend troubles me. Everybody does something stupid in life at least once. She isn't doing anything illegal and she's not the CIA Director. No way she should lose her job over this. A heartfelt apology should be all that is necessary here.

[rainbow4321]

172. She was in DC with a group that is served by her employer

From what I could tell by looking at her employer's facebook, they help physically or mentally challenged individuals live more independently.

This was not done during a DC visit on her own private time...she was there in the role of a worker with a group of people who use the services of her employer...and the picture of her was taken by a co worker who was also on the trip

So I'm thinking that the employer has every right to discipline/fire her.

[alp227]

186. My first impression was the photo was during vacation.

Then I read the full article. Turns out this was a business trip. And according to her dad, the woman's facebook is private. So a friend might have snitched on her, the only way it took her employer to learn about the incident A MONTH LATER. Do you think employers have the right to be thought police and monitor employees' social media even if the facebook etc are set to private?

[Jasana]

200. Okay this is messy...

Somewhere I missed the part that she was on a business trip. I just saw the picture and thought she was doing something rude while on vacation.

As a former union rep I would say...

1) If she was on a work trip and a co-worker complained about her behaving this way in front of others who would be distressed by this behavior which also reflected poorly on the employer then the employer would have a right to discipline her - not fire her - unless she had been disciplined before.

2) No I don't think employers should be able to monitor an employee's private social media but somebody did a "whistleblower" on her doing something inappropriate on a business trip. I would say that gives her employer the right to discipline her... again not fire her unless she had been disciplined before.

But the truth is, if you're not in a union shop, you can get fired for almost anything and if you can't prove it's because of race, gender, religion, disability - then you are screwed.

[quinnox]

201. I think she has a great lawsuit case, based on

an employer firing her for her exercising her 1st amendment rights. The constitution is a hell of a thing to have in your corner. I would think the ACLU would be very interested to take up this case and I hope they do so.

[Lightbulb_on]

208. She wasn't arrested ...

.. And her actions have made it more difficult for her to do her job.

Employer has every right to fire her and replace her with someone who has less baggage.

[MADem]

182. According to her father, she has a very quirky world view and has been taking crazy pics all her

life. The old man seemed like a nice fellow, for whatever that is worth. He was on the teevee this evening.

I don't think what she did was smart, but I think it's ironic that a worker unfriendly place that treats their workers like disposable pieces of shit is suddenly so "affronted" that they fired her. She was probably making too much anyway, and they wanted someone to do her job at a few bucks less an hour.

Her employer is so scuzzy they make her look like a saint--really. I've known people who have labored under that yoke and the conditions are hellish and the workplace environment is probably best described as dog-eat-dog.

She's probably better off to be moving on from that organization.

My POV on what she did? Stupid, but not "fire-worthy." And I'm retired military, with both friends and relatives buried at Arlington. I worked close to that cemetery for years, too, so I'm quite familiar with it. I really feel like one of the things we defend as we serve in uniform is our way of life, and that includes our free speech rights.

To see an employer that routinely fires people for the tiniest of infractions leap to unload this kid makes me wonder if she got one too many raises and this is a handy excuse for them to jettison her. They've kept people on with DUIs and personal misconduct between employees...but they'll fire a kid over this? Hmmm.

Methinks they doth protest too much...

[Tikki]

166. Who raises up someone like that?!!...respect is taught.

How this young lady thought this was funny is beyond my grasp.

Should she get fired? NO. But WOW.




Tikki

[MADem]

197. Her father was on TV. He seemed like a great guy--kindly and open.

He said his daughter has a quirky view of life, and she's been taking crazy pictures since she was small. He said she feels bad, and that she's a good kid. I believe him.

The place where she works is a horrid place--they find any excuse to fire employees who either make too much through longevity raises, or who refuse to take "management" positions (read, salary instead of hourly wages, so they can be exploited for longer periods of time).

[lunamagica]

207. "Good kid"? I read she's 30 years old. Not a kid, and way too old for such antics

[MADem]

209. Some people who are that age are younger in spirit than others.

I will believe her father. He came across as very credible.

Also, her employer, that fired her, has a nasty and longstanding reputation for treating their employees like shit and firing them after they've had to give the workers a pay raise too many. Then they hire untrained people at rock bottom wages and start the cycle anew. They don't deserve "praise" for using any old excuse to get rid of a twelve bucks an hour employee in exchange for someone working for eight.

I spent decades in the military. I have friends and relatives buried at Arlington. I think what this kid--and she's a kid, to my mind--did was dumb and certainly ill-advised but she doesn't deserve death threats or poutrage or hyperbolic hyperventilations about how this is the Worst Possible Thing Ever. If Sarah Silverman did it, or Katt Williams, people would call it "edgy humor." Because an unknown does it, it's suddenly the crime of the century and Everyone Has To Be Very, VERY Upset About This Serious and Outrageous Affront.

The people who rest in Arlington died to defend our "freedoms" including the freedom to make an ass of oneself. I think some folks are getting just a bit too sanctimonious about this matter to suit me, and I'm an old fart who, in general, favors a certain amount of decorum.

[1-Old-Man]

167. Two military institutions I respect, the Tomb of the Unknown and the Congressional Medal of Honor

As far as I'm concerned that child's stunt should bring her all the scorn that can be heaped upon her; and if she got fired over it I am much pleased.

[onenote]

171. I have no problem with someone being fired if they show extremely poor judgment

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even if the arena in which they show such poor judgment is unrelated to their job. I wouldn't want someone working for me if I couldn't trust them not to behave in a way that the overwhelming majority of people would find offensive and in exceptionally poor taste.

Its one thing to spontaneously pose for and take the picture. I can understand that. But posting it on facebook is not a spontaneous act and it suggests that the person doesn't comprehend or care about the consequences of what they do "publicly." And that is not a quality I would want in an employee.

[Logical]

187. Jesus, you are so uptight and judgmental. Scary.

[onenote]

190. says the person judging me. LOL!

[Logical]

193. LOL, about you, not about judging all of society who does not meet my criteria.

[onenote]

194. Happy Thanksgiving to you, too.

[Vattel]

188. I once grabbed a statue's breast at the Getty museum. Glad it didn't end up on facebook.

We all do dumb stuff once in a while. It is no big deal. She should keep her job.

The statue was pretty hot, btw.

[Skittles]

199. offensive and juvenile

but I read their apology and it seems very sincere (statement, not the panicked one on Facebook)......my guess is this will help them grow up, a lesson hard-learned.

[Catherine Vincent]

210. I just read from another link that she was fired

[Skittles]

213. it seems kind of harsh but

she was on a company-sponsored trip, which makes her decision even more reckless. She is not a bad person but certainly she needs to grow up, and I think her sincere apology is a big start.

[obamanut2012]

214. Her CEO took the pic -- were theyf ired?

It was ridiculous she was fired for this, and I am someone with relatives who are disabled combat vets, and who had relatives die in Vietnam.

[Comrade_McKenzie]

203. Oh, no! The symbols we worship as patriotic Americans are UNDER ATTACK...

By other symbols we have deemed vulgar...

THE HORROR!

[tabasco]

211.

[tabasco]

212. And the people cry freedom, freedom, freedom.

The employer has freedom to hire and fire whom he wants.

[valerief]

215. Glad to see Freedom is Speech is only alive in this country for MONEY.

[sadbear]

219. If a dollar bill pissed on one of the graves (which it does, figuratively),

a lot of people here would be less outraged.

[TrueBlueinCO]

233. Do you even understand what the First Amendment guarantees?

Hint, it's not that you can't be fired for acting like a jackass.

[Puregonzo1188]

217. What a non story. It's disgraceful what passes for news these days.

Yes, this woman is an idiot, but it hardly warrants attention.

[RetroLounge]

220. Not sure what's more Freeper-like

This OP

or the pearl-clutchers below.



RL

[DemocratSinceBirth]

223. So If I Don't Go Around Crapping On Things Folks Hold Dear For Whatever Reason I'm A Freeper ? /nt

[RetroLounge]

225. YEah, right, that's exactly what I said.

RL

[DemocratSinceBirth]

228. If I Had An Office Mate Who Was Hindu

If I had an office mate who was Hindu and I made of point of ostentatiously eating hamburgers in her presence I bet you would think that was asshole and Freeper like behavior.

See where I'm going with this.

[RetroLounge]

229. If I cared what you think, I might...

RL

[DemocratSinceBirth]

234. Maybe I'm Not The One Who "Found" Himself At The Wrong Site...

[RetroLounge]

235. Really, that's you're conclusion?

RL

[DemocratSinceBirth]

237. For Someone Who Doesn't Care What I Think You Are Responding To All My Posts. It's Almost Pavlovian.

[RetroLounge]

240. For Someone Who Doesn't Care What I Think You Are Responding To All My Posts. It's Almost Pavlovian.

RL

[DemocratSinceBirth]

246. Except I Never Made The (Snarkish) Or Is It (Snarky) Claim I Didn't Care What You Think

[RetroLounge]

252. And this is my daily DU check to see if you still love me.

You love me, you really do!



RL

[DemocratSinceBirth]

253. I Love Everybody. That's Why I'm A Liberal

I love everybody, I really do!

[SimplyMarie]

226. I agree

I mean..what is she..? Twelve years old? I don't understand why a grown woman would feel the impulse to do something this disrespectful...but then to post it on Facebook for all the world to see? I'm not surprised she got fired. That lack of judgement in her line of work is a dangerous liability to any employer.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

227. Crazy they got fired. There is still free speech isn't there?

[TrueBlueinCO]

232. Of course there is still free speech

She wasn't censored by the government in any way. The First Amendment doesn't guarantee that there won't be any consequences of speech. She acted like a jackass on the job and got fired for it. It's hardly a free speech issue.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

257. lighten up TBC

[TrueBlueinCO]

258. Then act like you understand what freedom of speech means.

[marions ghost]

230. She's better off

without that job. Innocent if juvenile, fun. Dumb to put it on FB.

Everybody wants to criticise...

Public Flogging

[SimplyMarie]

239. Not a question of criticism

For me it's not about criticism. It's about determining what level of disrespect we will tolerate as a society. I mean...what is the purpose of flipping off a sign at the Tomb of the Unknown soldier? Is she just anti-authority in general? If yes..then that is not a person I want in charge of my at risk friend or relative.
Actions have consequences. In this case the company was right. She was ..after all..on a company funded trip.

[marions ghost]

244. If it was anti-authority I would likely applaud it--

since it was just dumb and crass I wouldn't blink an eyelash. Yawn.

The company was equally stupid. She's better off out of that job.

[Taverner]

231. Not funny, but if you are outraged by this, you need a better use of your time

[AldoLeopold]

251. Once again somebody screws themselves by Farcebook

When will people learn that Facebook is insane? How many lives do it or its elder brother Myspace have to destroy? She was obviously being stupid and disrespectful - but why do people keep putting this crap on Facebook when the consequences are sometimes so severe?

Chances she loses her job over this? 100%

[Skidmore]

255. Honestly, don't we have a better way to use bandwith than

participate in whipped up outrage over a picture some idiot making a fool of herself? I'm so sick of seeing this thread. If you take personal offense with every idiotic stunt in the world, you never get anything done.

[madinmaryland]

259. Adios, douchebag.