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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIt's clear that when Tump is convicted he cant be put in prison with the general inmate population
We're going to have to build a special prison to contain him in isolation, just to keep him alive.
When we do, may I suggest that we make the prison cell oval shaped?
TwilightZone
(28,836 posts)Solitary confinement isn't a rare thing. About 20% of state and federal inmates are confined in restricted areas at some point in their incarceration.
I_UndergroundPanther
(13,369 posts)For the rest of his putrid life. I bet his sorry narcissistic ass would crack.Hopefully nobody would talk to him and the only communication he gets is a soggy baloney sandwich through a slot.
TwilightZone
(28,836 posts)I think he'd spend his time in a low-security prison, something like Lompoc in California, where they held inside trader Ivan Boesky, or FMC Rochester in Minnesota, where Jim Bakker served his time.
FMC Rochester can hold inmates of all security clearances. Something like that is probably where he'd end up, assuming they have the facilities required for isolation. Or maybe he could room with Jared Lee Loughner, the Tucson/Giffords shooter.
ProudMNDemocrat
(20,897 posts)The blind Sheik responsible for the 1993 WTC attack was there in 2001 until Gil Gutnechkt had him transferred out to Colorado.
There are hard core MAGAts in Rochester. I lived next door to one. Had his 2020 flag flying for well over a year after the election. Also had guns willing to be used. I knocked on his door to ask permission to go into his back yard to trim a bush down along the fence when I saw the sign. Glad he was not home as I returned to my house.
Outside of Rochester on the way to Chatfield, a farm all decked out with TRUMP stuff and references. NRA stuff as well.
Rochester and Olmsted County did not go for him in 2020.
Deuxcents
(26,915 posts)Our prisons can handle the most dangerous criminals and again, hes no different from any of them. Hes had enough preferential treatment
Trueblue1968
(19,251 posts)I_UndergroundPanther
(13,369 posts)Take away the criminal insurrectionist's security detail. He's not entitled ,he is an EX president and a criminal. Biden could end that bullshit .
RockRaven
(19,369 posts)set up inside the grounds of ADX Florence (aka the federal Supermax prison in Colorado). Double wide so there is plenty of room for his SS detail of course.
He would hate, Hate, HATE the "low class" (in his mind) aspect of such accommodations.
ExWhoDoesntCare
(4,741 posts)One SS agent at the control center for the bloc the traitor's in, one for inside the main area's control center, and then someone for the perimeter.
He'd probably require *fewer* agents in prison than out of it.
Stinky The Clown
(68,952 posts)TwilightZone
(28,836 posts)It was during the time that Hess was the only one there.
Sneederbunk
(17,489 posts)TwilightZone
(28,836 posts)They tore it down, in part, to keep it from potentially becoming a neo-Nazi shrine.
grumpyduck
(6,672 posts)I was just thinking that.
ExWhoDoesntCare
(4,741 posts)No need to put him somewhere alone.
Lochloosa
(16,734 posts)The 1988 novel The Silence of the Lambs by author Thomas Harris mentions "Plum Island" as a potential supervised vacation site for Hannibal Lecter as a reward for helping to catch Jame Gumb. He derisively refers to it as "Anthrax Island." It is also used in this way in the movie adaptation of the novel.
Grasswire2
(13,849 posts)Plum Island NY is being transformed into a habitat for local species.
AND, my ancestors were keepers of the lighthouse there for 43 years ending in 1903. I have a copy of the keeper's log from that period in time, and it was quite the gala stopping-over place for New York yachters, run as a sort of B&B. Even the POTUS came for fishing lessons.
The Roux Comes First
(2,278 posts)Congrats on those admirable ancestors.
canetoad
(20,769 posts)More details
George Bradford Brainerd (American, 18451887). Lighthouse Keeper, Plum Island, Long Island, 1879. Collodion silver glass wet plate negative. Brooklyn Museum
Grasswire2
(13,849 posts)and something's wrong with the info because my ancestors, William Walker Wetmore and William Whiting Wetmore were the keepers in 1879.
canetoad
(20,769 posts)For the guy in the picture are correct, he looks awfully old for 34.
Grasswire2
(13,849 posts)Father and son both named William W. Wetmore.
https://www.bing.com/images/blob?bcid=sp7kny1RV4QGZbxtVn.vYw6Bjm-B.....3s
canetoad
(20,769 posts)George Bradford Brainerd could have been the photographer of the lighthouse keeper who is not named in the caption. From Wiki:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Bradford_Brainerd#Biography
So it's more than likely that the man pictured is, in fact William W Wetmore!
Grasswire2
(13,849 posts)Maybe I can enlarge the face on the fellow lounging on the grass. Take a look at his shoes. Do they look age appropriate?
That would be pretty exciting for the family.
Grasswire2
(13,849 posts)We need to see what other photos Brainerd took of people there.
I currently possess the only known photo of the keeper's daughter, who died at age 3 when she set her dress on fire when playing with matches in the staircase of the light. Her father put her in a rowboat to row to the mainland for help, but she did not live. He had heard the screaming from the staircase and came to see her ablaze, there on the stairs. Emmaline Wetmore, RIP.
canetoad
(20,769 posts)I dont know if you've seen this site: https://lighthousefriends.com/light.asp?ID=743
But it describes the incident you mentioned but also notes William Wetmore's age. He died at 85 in 1892, so he was born C. 1807 making him around 72 when the picture was taken. I tried enlarging the photo but didn't spend a lot of time on it. The face is very hard to make out - lots of artifacts and blurring. The shirt looks about right for the time.
Grasswire2
(13,849 posts)His name is..... William Wetmore! I have communicated with his brother who lives elsewhere who tells me that the shed in Greenport is full of items from their time at the light. Including Mrs. Wetmore's cookbook, which I would give several teeth to have. LOL.
Well, I am going to be in touch with the Brooklyn museum to see what stuff they have.
Thanks for this, so much.
canetoad
(20,769 posts)I'm not particularly into geneaology, but I love history in general. I hope you can meet the present day William Wetmore, this sounds like a story with much more to be told.
UTUSN
(77,795 posts)madinmaryland
(65,729 posts)oldinmtdem92
(142 posts)it seems too good for diaper donny !
ecstatic
(35,075 posts)He did the crime, he'll do the time just like anyone else. No special treatment for a traitorous thug.
Xipe Totec
(44,558 posts)So there right there is special treatment.
Polybius
(21,900 posts)It would be a disaster.
H2O Man
(79,048 posts)I think he would do just fine in general population. And the toilets are oval.
msongs
(73,752 posts)TheKentuckian
(26,314 posts)They were already sorta stuck with life with Chump anyway.
Now they will just be observing him in his natural habitat.
Tree Lady
(13,282 posts)and give secret service a office with camera in his small cell. No extra treatment than that.
Personally I think if convicted he should lose his protection.
LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(13,291 posts)That's been true ever since he was president. Big bucks going straight into TFG's pocket.
Don't forget they can only get their meals at the hotel, too. Lousy food at ridiculous prices, directly billed to the taxpayers. I doubt it's possible to audit all the money we've paid to his properties for the past seven years, plus the premium the military paid to divert their transports to land in Scotland so the aircrews would be put up at his private club -- again at ridiculous room rates.
"Grift" should have been the Word of the Year while he was in office.
NYC Liberal
(20,453 posts)Don't need a whole prison. Just a bare-bones isolated structure built as cheaply as possible. Easy to guard and good luck escaping.
keithbvadu2
(40,915 posts)bluestarone
(22,177 posts)Perfect. Just gotta hope the camera trouble STILL exist!
Hassin Bin Sober
(27,461 posts)ExWhoDoesntCare
(4,741 posts)Put him in ADX Florence. Hotter than blazes in the summer, colder than a witch's bum in the winter. That's the kind of setting evil like him deserves.
Johonny
(26,178 posts)That had to put up with him.
pfitz59
(12,703 posts)fitting location for the old pervert.
rustbeltvoice
(484 posts)Cuthbert Allgood
(5,339 posts)dweller
(28,409 posts)A dungeon
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The Roux Comes First
(2,278 posts)multigraincracker
(37,651 posts)GED and work on rehabilitation.
rubbersole
(11,223 posts)Journeyman
(15,448 posts)and what could be more cruel and unusual than to spend every hour listening to Trump constantly whine about all the injustices he's had to endure.
jmowreader
(53,193 posts)It might cost $1000 to run power, water and sewer to an isolated part of the prison grounds, but once you do you can just park a camper out there and stick Trump in it. You do understand hes going to have to be moved on a fairly regular basis to keep his fans from trying to bust him out.
no_hypocrisy
(54,906 posts)Martha Stewart and Leona Helmsley were confined? A prison but without the crudities?
Emile
(42,289 posts)He broke the laws and must face his punishment just like anyone else.
Cuthbert Allgood
(5,339 posts)We don't house cops in the general population. No way a President would be.
Emile
(42,289 posts)so there is nothing to compare. Lock him up with cell mates and if that doesn't work we'll try something else.
Cuthbert Allgood
(5,339 posts)And, yeah, sure, do the crime do the time blah blah blah. But if a President ends up going to prison, there is zero chance they are in the gen population. Zero. And that makes sense.
Emile
(42,289 posts)we'll have to try something different. Right now there is nothing to guide us about locking up ex presidents. So what we do for the other prisoners right now, that is our only guidance.
Eugene
(67,101 posts)I'm not ruling out him dragging out the appeals process until he croaks.
Chainfire
(17,757 posts)I think that we could afford it.
Hotler
(13,747 posts)Campaign sign idea; Trump For Supermax 2024
Jarqui
(10,908 posts)Put him in a zoo!
Keep him a safe distance from the other animals.
The attendance money from lines of MAGAts to see him can be used to help other animals.
For once, Trump can do some good
dflprincess
(29,341 posts)He could become part of the tour.
ExWhoDoesntCare
(4,741 posts)Alcatraz is now a national historic site, with a booming tourism industry built around it. Nobody's going to kill off all those mom and pop businesses over this walking rubbish heap.
Alcatraz will never go back to being a regular prison. Deal with it.
LakeArenal
(29,949 posts)ExWhoDoesntCare
(4,741 posts)He deserves someplace with crap weather, most of the year.
ADX Florence is perfect both for its lousy climate and for its high security.
Rebl2
(17,740 posts)In Leavenworth prison in KS. With guards at all times.
lpbk2713
(43,273 posts)
Put it in Death Valley in the summer time. The Aleutian Islands in the winter.
WarGamer
(18,613 posts)Best hope is an ankle monitor inside the residential suite at M-A-L
QED
(3,349 posts)grumpyduck
(6,672 posts)unfortunately I have to go with locking him up in whatever is appropriate for anyone else who gets convicted of what he gets convicted of. IOW, treat him like anyone else.
Supermax, Leavenworth, Gitmo, wherever anyone else would be sent. Secret Service detail? Ask for volunteers and switch them out often.
Xipe Totec
(44,558 posts)He is still a former president and entitled to Secret Service security for life. Subjecting SS agents to living in those prison facilities is beyond the call of duty. So if not for the sake of Trump, then for the sake of the SS agents he must be kept separate from the general prison population. So, if that's going to be the case anyway, why not build him a brick and mortar oval office with brick desk and a brick seat that can serve both as a desk chair and a toilet. The sarcastic irony of giving him an oval office is just... delicious.
ExWhoDoesntCare
(4,741 posts)The Secret Service wouldn't be 'living' in those facilities for even five seconds. They would serve on shifts inside the facility just like prison guards, then go home at the end of the work day.
Stop exaggerating what their work would entail. It's silly.
oldinmtdem92
(142 posts)we should treat the wanabe dictator like ,the others through history, moussilini comes to mind, handed naked and beat with sticks no ss protection for felons !!
sakabatou
(46,146 posts)As well as access to the press.
ExWhoDoesntCare
(4,741 posts)The prisoners are not allowed computers or cell phones. They also have to *earn* the right to get a radio and TV. The TV is black and white, and plays *only* loops of religious and educational programming--nothing else.
I keep telling all of you--ADX Florence is the perfect resting place for this traitor slob.
VGNonly
(8,492 posts)ExWhoDoesntCare
(4,741 posts)Just send him to the Range 13 bloc at ADX Florence.
The prisoners are basically in solitary 23 hours a day, and let out only for an hour for exercise--ALONE. They have zero contact with other prisoners, and almost no contact with guards. The cells have 'double' entry doors, meaning that there's a regular 'cell' door between the prisoner and the entry, and then a solid steel door for the staff to enter for things like dropping off meals or fresh uniforms and linens. The bloc is essentially a cul de sac with a guard station that's also barricaded from the rest of the prison. Visitors must submit to full searches before getting access to prisoners, and they must communicate through a barrier. Their allotted visitation times are scheduled and severely limited in amount of time granted.
No one has ever escaped from there.
This is what the cell looks like:
Problem solved.
Generic Brad
(14,374 posts)If he is found guilty of committing crimes, fuck his feelings. Off to jail.
Siwsan
(27,834 posts)If I knew how to photoshop, I'd tweak this image.

LetMyPeopleVote
(179,847 posts)If convicted, it is likely that TFG will get some sort of home confinement or minimum security prison.
Link to tweet
https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2023/08/04/trump-criminal-cases-prison-secret-service/
Any federal district judge ought to understand it raises enormous and unprecedented logistical issues, Rosenberg said of the prospect Trump could be incarcerated. Probation, fines, community service and home confinement are all alternatives......
Mary McCord, who served as acting assistant attorney general for national security during President Barack Obamas administration and led the department for the first several months under Trump, said Trump presents unique challenges to the Justice Department. Ensuring some penalty for a former president under Secret Service detail would require extensive discussions and potential accommodations, because it really would be a pretty enormous burden on our prison system to have to incarcerate Donald Trump.
The question is an open one at the U.S. Secret Service. Asked whether a former president who does not waive protection can be incarcerated, agency spokesman Anthony Guglielmi said, The Secret Service does not have a comment or response, only because there is no such policy or procedure that currently exists......
Former and current Secret Service agents said that while there is no precedent, they feel certain the agency would insist on providing some form of 24/7 protection to an imprisoned former president. And, they say, the agency is probably planning for that possibility, seeking to match to some degree its normal practice of rotating three daily shifts of at least one or two agents providing close proximity protection.
I suspect that TFG will get some sort of home confinement.