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Immediately after he assumed the office of Atty. General, Merritt Garland had the opportunity (and obligation!) to investigate Trump and bring suitable charges against him. Instead, for months and years he hummed, hawed, dithered and did nothing about Trump's obviously illegal and treasonous activities. Finally, finally, he appointed a special counsel to begin to look into Trumps illegalities. And that only after public pressure to do so had become irresistible.
But guess what?? Garland waited so long to do the right thing that it now seems unlikely that Trump will actually face any trial(s) for his crimes before November of this year. As a result, Trump may well win the presidency, in no small part because he was never held accountable for his treason prior to the November election. And once the wannabe dictator Trump takes office for his 2nd term, no one can doubt that our Republic is likely to be unrecognizable within a relatively short time.
In reality, the whole judiciary's current constant delays in bringing Trump to the bar of justice will have been responsible for the disappearance of our constitutional Republic but Garland's timidity and cowardice will always be at the core of the problem. Let's hope that, in the end, Garland and the judiciary won't turn out to have been the modern day equivalent of Nero fiddling while Rome burnt.
AZSkiffyGeek
(12,744 posts)That wont stop him running for president, or even winning.
Fiendish Thingy
(23,225 posts)You couldnt even bother to spell his first name correctly, so why should anyone expect you to get the facts straight?
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stopdiggin
(15,462 posts)You have an 'opinion' concerning Garland's actions and character. You are not the first - and the subject has been explored (quite extensively) in the past.
Hekate
(100,133 posts)Cha
(319,067 posts)walkingman
(10,860 posts)that we don't know. However, the reluctance to prosecute a former POTUS is not new. I was also disappointed in 2008 - I think it has a lot to do with the idea that perception is as important as justice when it comes to powerful people. There is no doubt in my mind that our justice system is not "fair and balanced".
Too late to worry about it now - water under the bridge.
WarGamer
(18,613 posts)stopdiggin
(15,462 posts)We've been down this road time after time (after time). The alleged timidity, and failure to investigate, on the part of DOJ prior to Smith has been refuted (with documentation) repeatedly. You're entitled to your own opinion of course - but the facts speak differently.
Goodheart
(5,760 posts)The delay is irrefutable. I agree with the OP in total except for the "cowardly" part. I'm not so sure it was cowardly so much as unwilling.
Fiendish Thingy
(23,225 posts)But it has been proven that the absence of public evidence was not evidence of inaction on DOJs part.
Accusations of deliberate delay (or timidity, or foot dragging) remain unproven.
gab13by13
(32,318 posts)Funny how after Jack Smith took over his secret investigations became public knowledge, and yes, he didn't leak.
triron
(22,240 posts)agingdem
(8,845 posts)intuitively knew the MAGA cretins would deep-six the Trump investigations...and right on cue Gym and Kevin wrote Garland demanding he turn over all information pertaining to the January 6 and MAL stolen documents probes...Garland politely told them to go fuck themselves and proceeded to appoint Jack Smith Special Counsel so as to insulate the investigations and out of the reach MAGA sleaze ....
sheshe2
(97,620 posts)gab13by13
(32,318 posts)I heard him just this week on Deadline Whitehouse say that DOJ failed to act until after the J6 committee hearings brought to light Trump's criminality.
What is not in dispute is Garland's failure to act. Heaphy even stated that Garland went out of his way not to be partisan, those were his words.
That is water over the dam, Garland did the right thing by appointing Jack Smith and if anyone can get Trump to trial pre-election, Smith can. We will have a better idea by mid or end of January if Smith can get Trump to trial.
It does matter a lot to get Trump to trial pre-election because polls show that if Trump is convicted he loses the election.
Time Matters, and I have not given up on holding Trump accountable, pre-election.
boston bean
(36,930 posts)the orange asshole announced his candidacy, Garland appoints Smith.
Ocelot II
(130,521 posts)Generic Brad
(14,374 posts)yagotme
(4,135 posts)sheshe2
(97,620 posts)bluestarone
(22,174 posts)MarineCombatEngineer
(18,060 posts)Cha
(319,067 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(60,320 posts)Fiendish Thingy
(23,225 posts)By somebody else.
Educate yourself, and stop bashing democrats and stop spreading misinformation.
https://www.emptywheel.net/2023/08/09/the-overt-investigative-steps-into-trumps-co-conspirators-tv-lawyers-ignored/
In addition, one of Alex Jones partners who was at the War Room was interviewed by DOJ in June 2021, and has since entered into a plea/cooperation agreement.
Jack Smith started on third base, thanks to Garland.
gab13by13
(32,318 posts)Heaphy stated that the vast amount of evidence showing Trump's criminality, came from the J6 committee, not from DOJ.
Cassidy Hutchinson's testimony shamed DOJ into action. Why in heaven's name was the J6 committee ahead of DOJ in questioning Cassidy? Why did Michigan AG, Dana Nessel state that she waited 1 year for DOJ to act on her criminal referral and then she prosecuted the Michigan fake electors herself?
Look at what conspiracy theories that Senator Mike Lee is spewing right now today, that the FBI was behind the insurrection. Mike Lee is the guy who recommended Merrick Garland to Trump to replace James Comey. What is with that?
stopdiggin
(15,462 posts)but I know you're going to stick to your own version ... (and those sources in support)
You are at least consistent.
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tritsofme
(19,900 posts)appointed to anything by Trump.
So he could fill his spot on the powerful DC Circuit court, while putting Garland into a position where he could be fired at will.
Perhaps not convenient for your narrative, but its the truth.
Fiendish Thingy
(23,225 posts)tritsofme
(19,900 posts)where Lee and other Republicans wanted Trump to appoint Garland as FBI Director because of some conspiracy theory nonsense.
I pointed out above why some Republicans actually wanted Garland appointed to anything by Trump, and it was to get his seat on the DC Circuit.
Fiendish Thingy
(23,225 posts)He doesnt have access to DOJs catalog of evidence, so how can he make a claim that the vast amount of evidence against Trump came from the committee. All he can do is look at the language in the indictments, and draw unsubstantiated conclusions about the details in the allegations.
We know that Garland and Smiths teams obtained testimony from several key witnesses who refused to speak to the committee, as well as expanded testimony from numerous Trump lawyers once the crime-fraud exception was invoked.
Once the trial begins, if the vast amount of evidence introduced is simply transcripts of committee testimony (or testimony from committee witnesses repeating their original testimony), then, and only then, will Heaphys claim be substantiated.
sheshe2
(97,620 posts)Thank you.
MadameButterfly
(4,039 posts)case? I thought it was on track for March. Of course Donny's trying to delay it, but has he succeeded?
gab13by13
(32,318 posts)Oral arguments are set for this coming Tuesday and we shall then see what the Appeals court does about the stay that is on judge Chutkan. I believe there is still time but the Supreme Court could throw a monkey wrench in the trial date. We shall soon see, I have hope because I know that judge Chutkan wants this trial to happen on schedule.
MadameButterfly
(4,039 posts)ProfessorGAC
(76,693 posts)A quick site search of "Garland" or "DOJ" would have yielded copious threads where many of your "points" have been mitigated or outright refuted.
Hekate
(100,133 posts)obamanut2012
(29,367 posts)lamp_shade
(15,481 posts)FrankBooth
(1,851 posts)Yet another "poster" to add to the ever-growing ignore list
Hekate
(100,133 posts)Attilatheblond
(8,876 posts)with a shortcut on my desktop.
getagrip_already
(17,802 posts)All of the magiical thinking about what we don't know is going on in the secret halls of the doj belies one fact. The statute of limitations is known, and time is passing.
For most federal crimes, it is only 5 years. So we are past any crimes prior to the 2016 election, the inaaguration, and the start of the covid pandemic. A lot of financial crimes accross multiple federal agencies are now out of reach.
And more are falling away every month.
Fiendish Thingy
(23,225 posts)Trump doesnt have to be convicted within five years to satisfy the statue of limitations, only indicted.
getagrip_already
(17,802 posts)crimes within the doj. crimes within hud, dot, name the agency. crimes by the "family" overseas. smith isn't looking at any of that.
Smith is doing a great job. But he is the only one (outside of those charging rioters) actually indicting anyone from this administration not referred by congress..
Georgia has charged more members of the trump admin than the doj has.
And the clock is still ticking.
edisdead
(3,396 posts)MOMFUDSKI
(7,080 posts)head was. Some here had faith. So here we are. I now know the answer as to where his head was at.
Scrivener7
(59,520 posts)republianmushroom
(22,323 posts)greatauntoftriplets
(179,004 posts)brooklynite
(96,882 posts)the most consequential prosecution of their career.
Patton French
(1,824 posts)MarineCombatEngineer
(18,060 posts)another hit and run AG Garland bashing thread.
At least have the decency to spell his name correctly and to comment on the various posts instead of posting a flammatory thread and then disappear.
dem4decades
(14,056 posts)And how long to appoint one for Trump?
ExWhoDoesntCare
(4,741 posts)6 January 2021 to 18 November 2022 is how long it took to appoint Jack Smith as a special prosecutor.
The traitor thugs have been trying to establish that Hunter was a foreign agent for Ukraine acting in concert with his father since 2018, when Giuliani was trying to manufacture dirt by bullying Ukraine into finding it. TFG was actively working to force Zelenskyy to make up a connection starting at least in May 2019.
The special prosecutor for Hunter was assigned 11 August 2023.
Do the bloody maths, mate.
niyad
(132,439 posts)make certain that I have their name correct, unless, for whatever reason, the incorrect name is part of the insult. But that is just me.
dpibel
(3,941 posts)This is the 52nd reply to this OP.
That is some grade-A return on investment!
ecstatic
(35,075 posts)the electoral vote count concluded.
EVERYONE, including trump's own staff, expected him to be arrested. There was a brief moment in time when everyone had distanced themselves from trump and cabinet members were resigning left and right. That was the time to pounce. Pence or anyone else in the Capitol should have filed charges with the police or FBI. trump put a hit out on them. That is a crime.
Why wasn't it done? That would have set the fucking tone for what was to follow. But unfortunately, these are all "firsts" that we're dealing with. A truly unprecedented situation. Some people meet the occasion appropriately but most people don't.
brush
(61,033 posts)Hard to say the DOJ has carried out the 6th Amendment promptly and without delay in moving to carry out justice in trump's case.
Sorry, DOJ, justice has definitely not been carried out promptly, and trump might, if somehow re-elected, may just get away with his attempted coup.
Not a great job IMO.
Duppers
(28,469 posts)"Justice delayed, is justice denied."
ExWhoDoesntCare
(4,741 posts)The two aren't remotely comparable. Comey was in office before TFG and after that as well. He took over an agency working well--and Comey was only working with a subdepartment of DOJ, not the whole thing. Garland wasn't so lucky with inheriting a department in good working order.
Not that any of it matters. You have a fundamental misunderstanding of what Garland's job even *is,* which is not about pursuing this one case diddums wants the world to revolve around. Try wrapping your brain stem around this reality:
An AG is an administrator and Presidential adviser, not a prosecutor in the traditional sense. He provides the POTUS with legal advice, but his #1 job is to run the DOJ. Not to prosecute crimes. That job falls to the US Attorneys, and, if necessary, a special prosecutor. Not the AG.
Really.
Duppers
(28,469 posts)The ONLY thing that concerned me, as it did some others, was TIMING and his delay! Repeating:
THAT was my only concern, which was also mentioned in this thread.
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Oopsie Daisy
(6,670 posts)* my standards are a bit higher than that.
MarineCombatEngineer
(18,060 posts)ExWhoDoesntCare
(4,741 posts)It's pathetic when people lie this way out of complete ignorance.