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WarGamer

(12,485 posts)
Sat Jan 6, 2024, 05:47 PM Jan 2024

I don't think Democracy and Insurrection should be major campaign fodder in 24.

Yes I know today is an anniversary and it's going to be on everyones mind...

But sometimes it seems like politicos think these concepts motivate the average voter.

IMHO... they don't.

Why doesn't Biden go after a solid chunk of the Trump base, seniors?

Start talking about raising SS benefits and I don't mean COLA. In 2020, Biden talked about it...

How about the cap?

Seniors have taken the brunt of the inflation monster.

Kitchen table, kitchen table. maybe propose increased EITC for parents?

Maybe make EV credits easier and not harder to get?

USED EV's?

First time home buyer FED programs at sub 4% interest rates?

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I don't think Democracy and Insurrection should be major campaign fodder in 24. (Original Post) WarGamer Jan 2024 OP
I think Democracy is an important issue but it's also a bit abstract. QED Jan 2024 #1
Concentration camps for political opponents isn't abstract. Fiendish Thingy Jan 2024 #3
I raised this point with Biden's campaign manager brooklynite Jan 2024 #8
Nah, Democracy vs.Fascism 24/7 is the way to go Fiendish Thingy Jan 2024 #2
Some voters think fascism is paying $18 for fast food... or $155 for their annual car registration WarGamer Jan 2024 #7
While SOME of us know that the fascist Freedumb Caucus MAGA CONTROLLED HOUSE... B.See Jan 2024 #14
And they will vote for Trump, regardless dpibel Jan 2024 #18
+1. I'm sure we will run on issues. But running against trump is Silent Type Jan 2024 #4
Many women are ANGRY... TSExile Jan 2024 #5
And getting angrier with each new atrocity in the news Freddie Jan 2024 #13
Totally agree. nt Raine Jan 2024 #6
For one thing Democrats always run on SS, no matter who wins nobody touches it doc03 Jan 2024 #9
I don't think any of it is mutually exclusive. LakeArenal Jan 2024 #10
These aren't mutually exclusive MadameButterfly Jan 2024 #11
Kinda think he'll do that mcar Jan 2024 #12
You've spent more time campaigning and winning than Joe Biden? Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2024 #15
Our sacred democracy is under threat creeksneakers2 Jan 2024 #16
Most of the public doesn't understand or care... WarGamer Jan 2024 #17
Trump is a would be dictator creeksneakers2 Jan 2024 #19

QED

(2,749 posts)
1. I think Democracy is an important issue but it's also a bit abstract.
Sat Jan 6, 2024, 05:51 PM
Jan 2024

I agree on the need to emphasize the kitchen table issues.

brooklynite

(94,786 posts)
8. I raised this point with Biden's campaign manager
Sat Jan 6, 2024, 05:58 PM
Jan 2024

It IS an abstract concept. And people who feel that the Government isn’t dealing with their problems don’t necessarily see the problem of losing Democratic safeguards. You have to fake the argument in specifics as to how losing Democracy would affect them.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,682 posts)
2. Nah, Democracy vs.Fascism 24/7 is the way to go
Sat Jan 6, 2024, 05:52 PM
Jan 2024

With a healthy serving of reproductive rights on the side.

There will be plenty of opportunities to talk about kitchen table issues, but fighting fascism must be front and Center for the next year.

B.See

(1,310 posts)
14. While SOME of us know that the fascist Freedumb Caucus MAGA CONTROLLED HOUSE...
Sat Jan 6, 2024, 07:04 PM
Jan 2024

... spent and ENTIRE YEAR without having done a fkng THING to address ANY of it on behalf of the American PEOPLE - INCLUDING their OWN bamboozled constituency.

dpibel

(2,874 posts)
18. And they will vote for Trump, regardless
Sat Jan 6, 2024, 08:45 PM
Jan 2024

Anyone that blazingly stupid is not going to change their vote because Biden claims a bigger COLA for Social Security.

You do know what "economic insecurity" stands for, don't you?

TSExile

(2,492 posts)
5. Many women are ANGRY...
Sat Jan 6, 2024, 05:54 PM
Jan 2024

...and many of them turn 18 before Election Day. I think they want a voice. Never underestimate women who are angry!!

Freddie

(9,275 posts)
13. And getting angrier with each new atrocity in the news
Sat Jan 6, 2024, 06:52 PM
Jan 2024

This has to be a HUGE issue. Real life stories, with names, of women who suffered when these new laws tried to kill them.

doc03

(35,389 posts)
9. For one thing Democrats always run on SS, no matter who wins nobody touches it
Sat Jan 6, 2024, 06:19 PM
Jan 2024

even Trump so far. MAGAS are against EVs. Biden ran a couple days on the economy then dropped it, the
economy is his strongest case.

LakeArenal

(28,858 posts)
10. I don't think any of it is mutually exclusive.
Sat Jan 6, 2024, 06:45 PM
Jan 2024

But without Democracy, SS benefits, public education and lots of medical rights will no longer exist.

I think more people understand what’s at stake than polls indicate.

MadameButterfly

(1,067 posts)
11. These aren't mutually exclusive
Sat Jan 6, 2024, 06:49 PM
Jan 2024

Under a Democracy, hard to eliminate Social Security. You need Republican both houses and president, and even then they may worry about re-election. Under Dictator Trump, he'll just do it unilaterally and there will be nothing you can do.
Anyone counting on their Social Security benefits when they retire?

Then it get's increasingly nuanced for the low information voters to understand, but we have to try: In a dictatorship,
Medicare? Gone
Obamacare? Gone
Federal student loans? Gone
Internet neutrality? Gone
Freedom of speech? Gone. And if you think you're on Trump's side, you can't have one difference of opinion. Keep it to yourself.
Journalism? Only Trump regulated propaganda (and reporters falling out of windows)
Oil prices higher because those are his friends, and no more electric cars. Or solar power, or wind.
Food prices higher because tarrifs, and no immigrants to harvest crops
Join the military for advancement? No, your children will fight anywhere Trump pleases, including for Russia, with minimal pay
Clean water? no longer regulated
Clean air? ditto
Elections? for a while they might pretend...or not

creeksneakers2

(7,476 posts)
16. Our sacred democracy is under threat
Sat Jan 6, 2024, 08:20 PM
Jan 2024

The public must be informed of that. There will be time for other stuff too, but a potential dictatorship is the most important thing at stake.

WarGamer

(12,485 posts)
17. Most of the public doesn't understand or care...
Sat Jan 6, 2024, 08:23 PM
Jan 2024

Remember the recent polling that showed a large number of people saying US Democracy isn't good...??

https://news.gallup.com/poll/548120/record-low-satisfied-democracy-working.aspx

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- A new low of 28% of U.S. adults are satisfied with the way democracy is working in the country. The current figure is down from the prior low -- 35% measured shortly after the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol by rioters trying to prevent Congress from certifying Joe Biden’s victory in the 2020 presidential election.

creeksneakers2

(7,476 posts)
19. Trump is a would be dictator
Sat Jan 6, 2024, 09:39 PM
Jan 2024

The public must be informed of that. There will be time for other stuff too, but a potential dictatorship is the most important thing at stake.

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