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DemocratSinceBirth

(102,084 posts)
Sun Jan 7, 2024, 11:33 AM Jan 2024

***BREAKING*** Trump says Civil War 'could have been negotiated'

Former President Donald Trump on Saturday suggested the Civil War could have been avoided through “negotiation,” arguing that the fight to end slavery in the US was ultimately unnecessary and that Abraham Lincoln should have done more to avoid bloodshed.

“So many mistakes were made. See, there was something I think could have been negotiated, to be honest with you,” Trump said at a campaign event in Newton, Iowa. “I think you could have negotiated that. All the people died. So many people died.”

The former president’s comments come a little over a week before the first-in-the-nation caucuses in Iowa, where he has a significant lead in the polls over his closest rivals, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis and former South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/06/politics/trump-civil-war-negotiated/index.html

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***BREAKING*** Trump says Civil War 'could have been negotiated' (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2024 OP
Satire? Please be satire. Freethinker65 Jan 2024 #1
It gets harder and harder to tell the difference. nt RandomNumbers Jan 2024 #12
Too bad he wasn't president then... PittBlue Jan 2024 #2
I like this thinking chicoescuela Jan 2024 #9
But if *he* had been president, all of that could have been avoided. Ocelot II Jan 2024 #3
What he meant: "So many people died for what?" dalton99a Jan 2024 #4
Do we not already Captain Zero Jan 2024 #6
One minute Repubs claim they're the Party of Lincoln, then Trump says Lincoln caused the Civil War? TheBlackAdder Jan 2024 #5
Where was unwanted Ivanka when we needed her? underpants Jan 2024 #16
So, she would negotiate for the South? n/t Yavin4 Jan 2024 #17
I just love that pic. If he sent Eric or Jr, underpants Jan 2024 #18
How much more... 2naSalit Jan 2024 #7
To extrapolate what he said I suppose that we should have negotiated with the Nazis too Squaredeal Jan 2024 #8
Well, yes..... lastlib Jan 2024 #21
That worked out so well for Neville Chamberlain. Ocelot II Jan 2024 #27
To extrapolate what he said I suppose that we should have negotiated with the Nazis too Squaredeal Jan 2024 #10
Poor, misunderstood Jefferson Davis. Kid Berwyn Jan 2024 #11
Not what I was hoping for limbicnuminousity Jan 2024 #13
that's on you Honest Abe! jcgoldie Jan 2024 #14
He's got a leg up on negotiating the start of another one. Rafi Jan 2024 #15
They should've seized the airports, like at the Battle of Bowling Green....... lastlib Jan 2024 #22
I have seen this idea advanced before ITAL Jan 2024 #19
How long before he allows that slavery could exist again.... getagrip_already Jan 2024 #20
Who cares what rubbish this fucking dunce spews malaise Jan 2024 #23
Right, and let slavery continue? sakabatou Jan 2024 #24
"Negotiated" is his latest favorite word. leftyladyfrommo Jan 2024 #25
Sick fuck cilla4progress Jan 2024 #26
Nah, the rebels would just play the Now is not the time to talk about slavery card. GreenWave Jan 2024 #28
Heavens to Murgatroyd! Bayard Jan 2024 #29
Liz Cheney calls TFG out for this stupid claim LetMyPeopleVote Jan 2024 #30
It was negotiated by Grant and Lee at Appomattox. Chainfire Jan 2024 #31
If only Lincoln had followed Washington's lead thucythucy Jan 2024 #32

Ocelot II

(131,912 posts)
3. But if *he* had been president, all of that could have been avoided.
Sun Jan 7, 2024, 11:38 AM
Jan 2024

He would have been a much better president than Lincoln. He wouldn't even have had to free the slaves!

TheBlackAdder

(29,984 posts)
5. One minute Repubs claim they're the Party of Lincoln, then Trump says Lincoln caused the Civil War?
Sun Jan 7, 2024, 11:44 AM
Jan 2024

Confederates hate Lincoln, so this must be extra salt on that Party of Lincoln boast GOPers make.

underpants

(197,946 posts)
18. I just love that pic. If he sent Eric or Jr,
Sun Jan 7, 2024, 12:38 PM
Jan 2024

they’d end up negotiating for the East.

and Russia would still have Alaska.

2naSalit

(105,059 posts)
7. How much more...
Sun Jan 7, 2024, 11:52 AM
Jan 2024

Proof is needed?

The media reports the bogus poll numbers (many are sponsored or conducted by the media reporting) to justify their over the top coverage of the one unqualified "candidate".

Like his buddy, bibi over in the middle east, he'll commit any crime or atrocity to obtain and hold on to power over other people so that they can ensure they will never face accountability.

Time we wise up and deal with the problem, and soon, or we will have no hope of averting our extinction in the near future.

Squaredeal

(752 posts)
8. To extrapolate what he said I suppose that we should have negotiated with the Nazis too
Sun Jan 7, 2024, 11:57 AM
Jan 2024

After all, so many senseless lives were lost, according to his reasoning. We could have had, “Peace in our time.”
Did his MAGA crowd clap when that came out of his mouth?

lastlib

(28,887 posts)
21. Well, yes.....
Sun Jan 7, 2024, 12:58 PM
Jan 2024


Remember what Prescott Bush said? "If only I could have talked to Mr. Hitler, this could have all been avoided."...
on the nucking Fazis.

Squaredeal

(752 posts)
10. To extrapolate what he said I suppose that we should have negotiated with the Nazis too
Sun Jan 7, 2024, 11:57 AM
Jan 2024

After all, so many senseless lives were lost, according to his reasoning. We could have had, “Peace in our time.”
Did his MAGA crowd clap when that came out of his mouth?

jcgoldie

(12,046 posts)
14. that's on you Honest Abe!
Sun Jan 7, 2024, 12:25 PM
Jan 2024

Fucking moron just spews any stupid shit that enters his ignorant brain and all those idiots have enabled him by ignoring and rationalizing it for so long that he thinks it all fucking brilliant.

Rafi

(294 posts)
15. He's got a leg up on negotiating the start of another one.
Sun Jan 7, 2024, 12:26 PM
Jan 2024

Did he mention if the south had had more aircraft carriers they could have won?

lastlib

(28,887 posts)
22. They should've seized the airports, like at the Battle of Bowling Green.......
Sun Jan 7, 2024, 01:00 PM
Jan 2024

idiot strategists like Lee......

ITAL

(1,454 posts)
19. I have seen this idea advanced before
Sun Jan 7, 2024, 12:40 PM
Jan 2024

And not just by pro-Confederate types. Historian David Goldfield wrote a really good book on the Civil War about ten years ago where he more or less argued the point at the concluding chapter or two. The problem is, folks like that, when they calculate the cost of the war and say that (as Goldfield does), that the war cost X Billion dollars and that if the US Government had just bought the slaves at a market value and freed them it would have cost half that price in treasure (not to mention the lives) -- they don't seem to realize that you need to have a willing seller in addition to a willing buyer. Sure some southerners may have been willing to do a "buyback" program, but the vast majority NEER would have.

getagrip_already

(17,802 posts)
20. How long before he allows that slavery could exist again....
Sun Jan 7, 2024, 12:58 PM
Jan 2024

Under the right circumstances.

If states voted to allow it for example.

It would just take a twist of the law, a nod by scotus, and people (women) could be owned by corporations or even individuals (husbands).

Someone should ask him.

malaise

(299,870 posts)
23. Who cares what rubbish this fucking dunce spews
Sun Jan 7, 2024, 01:04 PM
Jan 2024

His sister and niece told us that he didn’t even sit his own college entrance exam. What the fuck does he know about history?

Bayard

(30,754 posts)
29. Heavens to Murgatroyd!
Sun Jan 7, 2024, 02:06 PM
Jan 2024

So, he will enslave all black people again when he is declared dictator for life? I'm sure he'd start with Kamala Harris and the Obamas.

He continues to prove that he is an insurrectionist.

thucythucy

(9,175 posts)
32. If only Lincoln had followed Washington's lead
Sun Jan 7, 2024, 02:48 PM
Jan 2024

and seized the rebel airports.

Honestly, Trump's ignorance is surpassed only by his arrogance.

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