Milwaukie Providence Hospital calls police to remove sick man..claimed he was faking it

[Demovictory9]

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Even the cops could see that the patient was very sick and questioned why they were taking him from the hospital. The hospital employee said that he was playing possum.

MILWAUKIE, Ore. — A series of investigations have been launched after Milwaukie police released bodycam video nearly a week ago showing Jean Michael DesCamps' death in police custody. The investigations focus in on why the 26-year-old was discharged from the hospital in the first place.

The footage shows what happened after police were called to Providence Milwaukie the night of Dec. 12, 2023. Hospital staff told the responding officers that a homeless man was discharged after receiving care, but refused to leave.

In the video, a healthcare worker said DesCamps was evaluated medically, there were no problems, and therefore there was no medical reason for him to be there any longer.

Over the course of the video, Milwaukie police officers figure out what to do and decide to take DesCamps to Unity Center for Behavioral Health in Portland. At one point, they questioned why he was being released from the hospital's care.

When officers arrived at Unity, they found DesCamps unresponsive in the back of the patrol car. They called in first responders and started CPR. Within a half hour, the officers pronounced DesCamps dead.


https://www.kgw.com/article/news/local/investigation-providence-milwaukie-discharged-patient-death/283-dfb809f9-ed74-467d-ac74-803e7def13c9

Descamps appeared very unwell throughout the video.

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The body camera video shows Descamps unable to move or respond to questions.

Yet Providence staff insisted he needed to be discharged and said he was cleared to leave.

“He’s been evaluated medically,” said an unidentified Providence staff member. “There’s no medical problems for him.”

Police began preparing a wheelchair for Descamps, placing him in handcuffs.

After they take Descamps outside, Milwaukie police officers indicated to each other that they felt that what was happening was wrong.

“Do you at all feel comfortable with anything that is going on right now?” one officer asked the other.

“No,” answered the other officer.

“Whose someone we can call to help us?” the first officer responded.

Back inside the hospital, the officers tried to reason with the medical staff.

“That guy, we’re not going to take him. He can’t be on his own. Why is he being released?” an officer told a staff member.

“We had him set up with a shelter, a cab to take him to the shelter, and he didn’t want to leave,” said the hospital staff member. “He wanted to stay here all night, and so that’s how that went for him.”

So the police officers decided they needed to get him help, and they started driving to the Unity Center for Behavioral Health.

https://katu.com/news/local/body-camera-footage-captures-police-questioning-providence-milwaukie-hospital-staff-in-release-of-jean-descamps-who-died

[Lonestarblue]

1. The hospital is owned by Providence Health & Services, a not-for-profit Catholic organization.

Another organization not paying taxes and not providing medical care either. Aren’t nonprofit hospitals that receive federal money required to care for the indigent?

[Demovictory9]

7. Yes..all emergency rooms are required to provide care

[BigMin28]

31. Hospitals are obligated

Stabilize a patient. Not provide all care they need. I found this out in 2010 with a broken arm that required surgery to fix. My arm was stabilized with a splint at the ER, and I was referred to an orthopedic doctor. He was furious. Since I was beginning a new job, insurance was an issue. Surgery wasn't an option. The Dr. set it the best he could. But it will never be right.

[nutshell2002]

61. Wasn't this conduct an EMTALA violation?

If so, this hospital has a whole lot more to worry about.

There is NO scenario I can fathom where this should have happened in this country.

[moonshinegnomie]

2. the hospital has already admitted it failed its duties

thier statement
"Providence is sorry about the death of Jean Descamps, and we extend our apologies and sympathy to his family and friends for their loss. In this case, we fell short of our goal of providing safe, reliable, compassionate care to our patient.

"The Milwaukie Police Department video is difficult to watch, and Providence is committed to doing all we can to learn from this and improve our response to our most vulnerable patients.

"Immediately after we learned of the death, Providence Milwaukie Hospital began a thorough internal review of our processes and procedures. We are working with our colleagues at Oregon Emergency Physicians – the organization that provides the doctors for our emergency department – as well as the Oregon Health Authority. Providence leaders have already taken action, and are identifying additional actions we need to take so that people in our community can be confident in the care we provide.


more needs to be done

whoever signed off on removing him form the hospital needs to have their license revoked and they should be prosecuted .

if it is uncovered that there is a pattern of this then the hospital should have its license pulled until new operators can come in to operate it. its current administrators should be banned from the medical field for life. the current operators should be fined an an enormous amount. an amount that puts them out of business

[Demovictory9]

6. "whoever signed off on removing him form the hospital needs to have their license revoked and they should be prosecuted"

The voice of that person .faced blurred out..sounds sooo uncaring

[OldBaldy1701E]

10. Let me turn on the translator...

"Providence is sorry about the death of Jean Descamps, and we extend our apologies and sympathy to his family and friends for their loss. In this case, we fell short of our goal of providing safe, reliable, compassionate care to our patient.

"The Milwaukie Police Department video is difficult to watch, and Providence is committed to doing all we can to learn from this and improve our response to our most vulnerable patients.

"Immediately after we learned of the death, Providence Milwaukie Hospital began a thorough internal review of our processes and procedures. We are working with our colleagues at Oregon Emergency Physicians – the organization that provides the doctors for our emergency department – as well as the Oregon Health Authority. Providence leaders have already taken action, and are identifying additional actions we need to take so that people in our community can be confident in the care we provide."

beep beep beep...

"Damn it, we got caught! Quick, say something that sounds official and conciliatory!"

[marble falls]

16. "In this case, we fell short of our goal of providing safe, reliable, compassionate care to our patient" ...

The tone of that statement actually makes me angrier. They killed someone, they need to think past their exposure to a liability suit and not make it so obvious a lawyer writes their statements.

VA level care for everybody.

[niyad]

19. Not VA level (although that can be good), CONGRESSIONAL LEVEL care for

everyone.

[marble falls]

23. I'm on VA care. Congressional level care cannot be much better. I am VERY pleased with VA.

[niyad]

30. I am very happy for you. Unfortunately, that is not uniformly the case. I have spent

a great deal of time over many years advocating for care for some veterans in my circle.

[marble falls]

36. VA is highly rated next to private systems ...

... When I got out of the Navy, I went to work at the Brecksville VA in Ohio. My first night I came home I told my wife no matter what happens do noy let me die in a VA hospital. When I was younger, it was known that the VA was where you went when you had no other place to go, generally a Vet went there to die.

Thirty years later I when I lost my 'Cadillac' insurance, I had no idea where to go with what turned out to be cancer.

My wife made out the papers, made me sign and I went along with it so she could see for herself what a pit VA was for herself.

They made an about face in those intervening thirty years.


first the mixed news:

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What I've found is that most people who have concerns about VA mean to advocate for us Vets. You have no idea how much that means to me. The trouble is it almost has nothing to do with the system but has to do with specific cases. And a lot of these cases are second or third hand.

Also a lot of these concerns has to with Agent Orange and Asbestos. The determinations in these cases are made by VA through records kept by the Army and the Navy. Some of these records are in complete and a huge amount of them were lost in the St Louis fire in the late 70s.

In the seventies the Pentegon felt that burn barrels and Agent Orange weren't harmful and the Air Force and Navy felt fire suppression chemicals and aircraft paint removal system were safe. They made/ very few records on it. How does an ex-serviceman proove he was exposed to burn barrels? Or prove there was Agent Orange contaminating aircraft The Navy felt until very recently that no blue water navel personel were exposed to AO, only brown water sailors and Marines.

Thankyou for caring about Vet.

[niyad]

37. Thank you for that valuable information. It is good to have this on hand in

case I have to go fight with them again.

[Hekate]

47. Thank you, because some day my husband may need this

He’s in his late 70s but chooses to still work full time, so we are still on the company plan. One of these days, though, we’ll need to deal with Medicare like everybody else. Still, he is a Vietnam-era vet, and sometimes he wonders about those benefits — as a result whenever a DUer makes a post like yours, I pass it along.

Thank you again.

[Sympthsical]

33. It really varies

My parents have done nothing but battle the VA over various things over the years.

The latest awesomeness was my mother, with stage four terminal cancer, being told she had to drive two hours away for various treatment, even though there was a hospital fifteen minutes from her home where she could receive the same care that the VA was eligible to cover. Last week we were playing a rousing game of, "Where are my mom's prescriptions, and why does nobody know?"

I have to browbeat them to get shit done. Before he died, my father had to browbeat them to get treatment.

They're a whole thing with my family, and I have not enjoyed a minute of the endless hours I've spent on the phone with them over the past five months.

It feels hot or cold with them. Some people have only glowing experiences, and others will go on an expletive-filled rant if you mention them. I'm firmly in the latter category.

[tazkcmo]

46. Me too.

The VA is not infallible.

[marble falls]

49. No one is infallable.

[haele]

39. I suspect a lot of the situation stems from the fact he was a frequent flier.

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Not that it's his fault, it's the hospital's fault for assuming that DesChamps was there "for attention as usual" and didn't really run a full assessment on him. IMO, the ER docs and nurses probably stopped doing full assessments on him after the first few times he went in, so he could have easily developed a fatal condition that they never caught the first few times he appeared.
It's easy just to pass off a worsening physical condition as "behavioral", especially for people one doesn't consider important. The staff there saw no reason to care for a homeless, jobless, apparently useless young man who was a community problem to begin with.

Haele

[marble falls]

40. Never even thought of that. "here he is again, just to get out of the weather and get a meal", that makes ...

... sense, unfortunately.

We have no sort of safety nets for those in crisis on the streets. And to many homeless get their first exposure to mental health issues in a jail.

[Maraya1969]

42. I don't care what excuse they were giving. There are ways to see if a person is stable and its'

not that hard to implement.

[Maraya1969]

41. YES. Whatever doctor that sent him needs to lose his license. And I hope the law

suit that is coming make the rest of this poor man's family very rich.

I kept thinking, "Take his blood pressure!" Did they ever take it?

[moonshinegnomie]

44. more than lose his license

as far as im concerned hes guilty of negligent homicide at the very least. maybe a jail term will deter others....

[lpbk2713]

3. The famous epitaph ...

I told you I was sick

[multigraincracker]

4. Medical malpractice.

Is there a lawyer in the house?

[marble falls]

18. You bet. The family's mailboxes will be fill with business cards. Whole other can of worms ...

... my sister is an attorney in Houston, and my brother is one in Austin.

[Joinfortmill]

5. This is especially heinous...

Was this a 'for profit' hospital? I see charges coming.

[mopinko]

13. catholic hospital

they pretend to b non—profit, but that’s just bullshit.

[Joinfortmill]

15. That's even worse.

[mopinko]

17. maybe they'll get an audit for this.

afaik, NONE of them do the amount of charity care the r supposed to do.

[Joinfortmill]

32. Yup.

[malaise]

8. Why did they handcuff him?

Man to man is so unjust - hospital and cops.

[marble falls]

25. Yes they did. Procedure. I noticed the cuffs were loose enough they could have slipped off with no effort ...

... and that was not procedure. If I were in the same situation, those are the cops I'd want. There was no protocol for this situation.

I am like you: the police should not be compelled to be agents of any sort of health care. This man was in an emergency already.

[intheflow]

9. The cops knew he was sick and

that what Providence was doing was wrong. Why not bring him to another emergency room? It’s not like there’s only one in Milwaukee.

[sunnybrook]

14. This was not Milwaukee, Wisconsin

Its Milwaukie, Oregon. I assumed it was the other Milwaukee too at first.

[niyad]

20. Thank you. I thought the spelling was a typo at first, or not enough caffeine.

[marble falls]

26. Just the opposite of my situation. Any chance you need the leaves raked?

[niyad]

29. Alas, no. The leaves are all raked and bagged, as needed for the compost bin.

No snow shoveling needed. And it is way too cold to be out anyway. How anout I make you a nice hot cup of chamomile tea?

[marble falls]

35. You have no idea how lovely that sounds. I'll get right to the kitchen after I post this. Thanks!

[Demovictory9]

38. I corrected. Thx

[LeftInTX]

43. I don't think they knew he was that sick....They did take him to a behavioral health center.

But he died on the way there.

I feel bad for the cops.

[Swede]

11. Christ almighty that's horrible.

Someone should lose their job.

[marble falls]

27. And not be recertified.

[angrychair]

12. Why I truly hate religion based hospitals

Not taxed and some of the cruelest behavior I've ever experienced or observed was from a religious hospital.

[niyad]

22. And let us not forget that catholic hospitals ( 1 of every six) fail women,

especially in reproductive care.

[Farmer-Rick]

24. Exactly

They think religion gives them a shield from the charges of cruelty, viciousness and menace to society. And most people would agree with that, yet it's a lie. Religious people are more cruel and vicious when dealing with people they think are sinful or inferior.

Catholics think: we aren't cruel, vicious and a menace. We do God's work......by killing off the indigent, sinful people and not providing decent health care to those we consider inferior.

[shrike3]

34. I don't know a single Catholic who thinks that way, including myself.

That said, our local Catholic hospital is a mess. Its only saving grace is that the competing secular hospital is just as much of a mess.

It's catch as catch can, what kind of treatment you'll get at either hospital. Why I head to Chicago when anything's wrong.

[Farmer-Rick]

50. I was raised Catholic

And I know a lot of Catholics who think that way.

Look how they have treated people in the past. No support for kids raped by priests. No support for single unwed mothers except as free labor, no support for indegenous people in their boarding schools and orphanages.

It's because they look at all those people and see them as sinful and inferior to themselves. They don't see themselves as sinful. They are the judges and deciders and are superior to those they judge to be sinful.

Most any religion does this. Evangelicals see themselves superior to the LGBT+ community, women and people of color. Evangelicals see those people as sinful.

[shrike3]

52. President Biden is Catholic

So is Pelosi, Lieu, AOC, Tim Kaine, Ruben Gallegos, Cuellar and others. Most of DU's favorites are indeed Catholic. Are you going to tell me they are the kind of people you describe?

[Farmer-Rick]

53. Not all Catholics are like the ones who buried babies

In the school yard. Or used outcast single mothers as slave labor....

The majority on the Supremes are Catholic too. So, that shows you how evil they can get in politics.

Same with Evangelicals. Not all of them are the ones who murder LGBT+ folks and force women to birth against their will.

It's just that religion is so often used in these dispicable acts that you got to wonder why it is so corrupting.

I use to think that there were an equal number of good and evil people in and outside of religion. But I don't anymore. I really think religion and even Catholicism attracts evil people.

[shrike3]

54. Biden says his faith guides him.

So ...

[Farmer-Rick]

55. Not all Catholics, or religious people, are evil

But a lot of evil people are/were Catholics, or religious.

[shrike3]

56. And plenty of atheists are evil as well.

[Farmer-Rick]

57. Yeah, but atheist don't claim the moral authority

Priests, Cardinals, pastors, and preachers claim to be moral leaders. Their followers claim to be improving themselves in order to teach their imaginary heaven. And yet their religious leaders seem to routinely abuse children, women and their churchs' vast wealth.

One of the reasons they are tax free, is they are supposed to be good for society, not because they are bad for society. And yet......

[shrike3]

58. Really? Tell Elon Musk that.

And the other billionaires who tell us how we should live.

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

60. All billionaires are atheists?

And your evidence for that is...what, besides something you pulled out of your ridiculous bum?

Also: Awful as he is, when did Lone Skum claim to be a moral authority? Yes, he expresses his idiotic opinions about things, but he has never--ever--said that he speaks for some moral authority, and that if we don't listen we'll be tortured forever. Unlike the christian torture cult's demigod and self-proclaimed representatives of such.

Try--TRY--to keep up, rather than being so bigoted against atheists that you resort to lying about them, as you did there.

[Elessar Zappa]

45. Catholics think that way?

Maybe some certainly. But I’ve known many, many very progressive Catholics and they’re not uncommon. Catholic hospitals are a totally different kettle of fish though.

[Farmer-Rick]

51. It's a common attitude among religious people

I was raised Catholic, by Nuns who loved to slap us kids around. I saw it all around me.

It's why they judge others so easily. They think they are superior less sinful than those others the judge. It's not peculiar to Catholics. But it's easier to see in the atrocities of past Catholic incidents. It's a symptom of religion.

[progressoid]

21. He was 26?

That's not the age I would have guessed from the video.

[marble falls]

28. The streets are murder in themselves. Especially if it's compounding other health conditions.

[Demovictory9]

48. Emaciated and probably missing a lot of teeth

[maxsolomon]

59. Kicking drug using patients to the curb is something hospitals have become used to doing.

Drug users do feign symptoms trying to procure prescriptions. It's not a new thing. One assumes Providence Milwalkie has that happen often, as Portland is in the eye of the homelessness/opiate crisis.

In this case, the dude was obviously ill. He died.