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Nevilledog

(55,079 posts)
Thu Jan 11, 2024, 02:55 PM Jan 2024

Grand Jury does NOT indict Brittany Watts for her miscarriage





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BREAKING: The grand jury has decided NOT to indict Brittany Watts. She's the Warren Ohio woman facing charges after miscarriage.
11:29 AM · Jan 11, 2024
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Grand Jury does NOT indict Brittany Watts for her miscarriage (Original Post) Nevilledog Jan 2024 OP
I wish, instead, they could indict the prosecutor for those charges, the Republican lawmakers who hlthe2b Jan 2024 #1
At a minimum they should pay for any attorney costs LiberalFighter Jan 2024 #8
Thank God. onecaliberal Jan 2024 #2
There are intelligent people in Ohio. sinkingfeeling Jan 2024 #3
A grand Jury in the state of Ohio ..says NO to indictment ..now asiliveandbreathe Jan 2024 #4
We think alike. appleannie1 Jan 2024 #17
Yes we definitely do! calimary Jan 2024 #36
This is good news of the highest sort. The Grand Jury got it right! nt CaliforniaPeggy Jan 2024 #5
Sadly, she is likely still thousands in debt getagrip_already Jan 2024 #6
True. She does have a GoFundMe, which helps financially. Nt spooky3 Jan 2024 #38
240k..excellent Demovictory9 Jan 2024 #57
Gofundme is 240k and theyll think twice before prosecuting the next woman Demovictory9 Jan 2024 #58
Good news, but she shouldn't have had to go through all that... Wounded Bear Jan 2024 #7
Great news malaise Jan 2024 #9
The grand jury did the right thing here LetMyPeopleVote Jan 2024 #10
This is what passes for news today JoseBalow Jan 2024 #11
Sweet Jebus BlueIdaho Jan 2024 #12
was the prosecutor actually asking for an indictment? prodigitalson Jan 2024 #13
So so happy for her.l Butterflylady Jan 2024 #16
Yes, publicly stated he was "obligated" to. bluesbassman Jan 2024 #18
Which, Of Course, Is Nonsense ProfessorGAC Jan 2024 #22
A feature, not a bug in today's GOP. bluesbassman Jan 2024 #27
Today's GOP is CCCP -- Corrupt, Cowardly, Chaos, Putin Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2024 #42
It's a prosecutor's discretion to present a case to a Grand Jury. Nevilledog Jan 2024 #31
The jury got it right. appleannie1 Jan 2024 #14
Yabbut she's still guilty... Sky Jewels Jan 2024 #15
Republicans are disturbingly hell bent on making women 2nd class citizens. Bluethroughu Jan 2024 #19
It's fucking insane that it went to a Grand Jury. NNadir Jan 2024 #20
Good, she has been through enough Warpy Jan 2024 #21
I, too, am curious about the person at the hospital who called the police. Diamond_Dog Jan 2024 #53
Ugh, that means no dismissal. Warpy Jan 2024 #55
So I am WAY past my regular period and MOMFUDSKI Jan 2024 #23
In a Republican future America Johnny2X2X Jan 2024 #25
There ya MOMFUDSKI Jan 2024 #39
A fine screen, like in a sink drain, installed in women's toilets. MerryBlooms Jan 2024 #46
Hurray! ShazzieB Jan 2024 #24
Which is great, BUT Jilly_in_VA Jan 2024 #26
Prosecutors have immunity. Nevilledog Jan 2024 #32
They shouldn't Jilly_in_VA Jan 2024 #47
Neither should cops. Nevilledog Jan 2024 #48
I was once on a federal grand jury Sucha NastyWoman Jan 2024 #28
From the WaPo irisblue Jan 2024 #29
It was reported that they literally took her toilet as evidence. littlemissmartypants Jan 2024 #30
Can she sue the state for pain and suffering, defamation, lost income, legal fees??? Freethinker65 Jan 2024 #33
Bless you, grand jury. TSExile Jan 2024 #34
Ohio voters just passed constitutional protections for abortion access and other reproductive rights. sop Jan 2024 #35
The illegally gerrymandered legislature is trying to nullify this right now. Nevilledog Jan 2024 #40
I don't understand how the Ohio legislature thinks they have the right to override the state constitution SouthernDem4ever Jan 2024 #62
After Florida restored felons' voting rights in 2018, the legislature passed a bill requiring convicted felons to sop Jan 2024 #64
Yet people still vote for those assholes. SouthernDem4ever Jan 2024 #65
Good, but this is still insane, and they'll just write another law they GJ can't override. lindysalsagal Jan 2024 #37
The law they used has nothing to do with abortion, specifically. Ms. Toad Jan 2024 #66
So relieved for her but the treatment of Ms Watts AllyCat Jan 2024 #41
The prosecutor should be ashamed for bringing this case to a GJ in the first place. Elessar Zappa Jan 2024 #43
Splendid outcome! Niagara Jan 2024 #44
👍🏼...K&R...👍🏼 spanone Jan 2024 #45
Nevilledog Upthevibe Jan 2024 #49
Halleuiah!!! Justice served! Fla Dem Jan 2024 #50
They got it right, IMO. republianmushroom Jan 2024 #51
Grateful to see a jury understands the hell a woman can be put through in America after Roe was overturned. LetMyPeopleVote Jan 2024 #52
K&R Solly Mack Jan 2024 #54
My mother's first pregnancy ended in a miscarriage into the toilet. pfitz59 Jan 2024 #56
FUCK THE GODDAMNED CHRISTOFASCIST THEOCRATIC WOMAN-HATERS niyad Jan 2024 #59
Nullification. The jury knew and understood. Grins Jan 2024 #60
Relieved but sad that this is even happening in this country. ecstatic Jan 2024 #61
Great News!!! wolfie001 Jan 2024 #63

hlthe2b

(113,954 posts)
1. I wish, instead, they could indict the prosecutor for those charges, the Republican lawmakers who
Thu Jan 11, 2024, 02:58 PM
Jan 2024

created this horrific law and circumstances, the Governor, AG, and anyone else involved in its passage/conduct and her persecution.

asiliveandbreathe

(8,203 posts)
4. A grand Jury in the state of Ohio ..says NO to indictment ..now
Thu Jan 11, 2024, 03:10 PM
Jan 2024

Ohio..listen ..vote out these evil, disgusting people in power..take back your state..protect your citizens from further trauma...you have already demonstrated you get it!!!

getagrip_already

(17,802 posts)
6. Sadly, she is likely still thousands in debt
Thu Jan 11, 2024, 03:13 PM
Jan 2024

Due to legal fees. And her reputation is destroyed since every employer and anyone who googles her will turn up the original charges.

What should have been a private matter is now a permanent public scar, which magats will pick at for the rest of her life.

ProfessorGAC

(76,695 posts)
22. Which, Of Course, Is Nonsense
Thu Jan 11, 2024, 03:51 PM
Jan 2024

Prosecutors exercise discretion as to which cases will brought to a GJ every day, in every jurisdiction.
What he meant was not "legally obligated" but rather "politically obligated". A display of moral cowardice.

Nevilledog

(55,079 posts)
31. It's a prosecutor's discretion to present a case to a Grand Jury.
Thu Jan 11, 2024, 04:24 PM
Jan 2024

You bet your ass they wanted an indictment. If not, it would never have been heard by a Grand Jury.

 

Sky Jewels

(9,148 posts)
15. Yabbut she's still guilty...
Thu Jan 11, 2024, 03:44 PM
Jan 2024

…of being one of those icky, inferior, penis-lacking wimminfolks…

Bluethroughu

(7,215 posts)
19. Republicans are disturbingly hell bent on making women 2nd class citizens.
Thu Jan 11, 2024, 03:45 PM
Jan 2024

Vote these Neanderthals out of office.

I don't mean to disparage the Neanderthals, seriously.

Warpy

(114,614 posts)
21. Good, she has been through enough
Thu Jan 11, 2024, 03:50 PM
Jan 2024

I wish there was a way to go after the "caregiver" who ratted her out and the DA who took the case for gross misconduct.

Diamond_Dog

(40,575 posts)
53. I, too, am curious about the person at the hospital who called the police.
Thu Jan 11, 2024, 07:05 PM
Jan 2024

Catholic hospital, of course.

Warpy

(114,614 posts)
55. Ugh, that means no dismissal.
Thu Jan 11, 2024, 08:26 PM
Jan 2024

The name gets published anywhere, the licensing board might have a few things to say about it.

 

MOMFUDSKI

(7,080 posts)
23. So I am WAY past my regular period and
Thu Jan 11, 2024, 03:51 PM
Jan 2024

assuming I am pregnant with my second. Then at work I start having cramps and go to the restroom to check stuff out. Spotting and then out comes a HUGE clot into the toilet. I instantly assume this was an early miscarriage, flush, and go back to my desk. Something like 20 percent of pregnancies end in miscarriage. Nature’s way of ridding an imperfect embryo. Life went on. I told a few friends and promptly got pregnant the very next month. I wasn’t prosecuted.

Johnny2X2X

(24,207 posts)
25. In a Republican future America
Thu Jan 11, 2024, 04:07 PM
Jan 2024

If they get their way, they'd monitor all of that and you'd be facing jail for doing this without first getting a panel of old whte men to give you permission to flush the toilet.

They are absolutely that sick.

ShazzieB

(22,582 posts)
24. Hurray!
Thu Jan 11, 2024, 03:59 PM
Jan 2024

Sounds like that GJ was made up of actual humans, rather than reptilian monsters like the prosecutor who decided to charge her.

This news is a breath of sanity in these troubled times. There are still sane people in the world, praise be!

Jilly_in_VA

(14,371 posts)
26. Which is great, BUT
Thu Jan 11, 2024, 04:14 PM
Jan 2024

they should indict the prosecutor for bringing false charges, or some such, and make him pay her attorney fees.

Sucha NastyWoman

(3,019 posts)
28. I was once on a federal grand jury
Thu Jan 11, 2024, 04:17 PM
Jan 2024

When prosecutors, sensed a jury was likely not to indict, they would just shut the whole thing down and take it to a different grand jury. I wonder if that can be done here Or if the fact that they voted on indictment means it can’t be taken to a different grand jury. Any lawyers here that can answer those questions?

irisblue

(37,508 posts)
29. From the WaPo
Thu Jan 11, 2024, 04:17 PM
Jan 2024

https://wapo.st/3Sefp0R

Entire article at 3:15 pm, local time.

An Ohio grand jury has declined to indict Brittany Watts, the 34-year-old woman charged with abusing a corpse after experiencing a miscarriage at home in a case that drew national attention to the ways women may be criminalized for their pregnancy outcomes in a post-Dobbs landscape.

The Trumbull County grand jury that had been investigating Watts’s case for a month on Thursday returned what’s known as a “no bill” for felony abuse of a corpse charges; as a result, charges against Watts will be immediately dismissed.

Trumbull County prosecutor Dennis Watkins did not immediately comment following the grand jury’s decision but said through a spokesperson he plans to address the outcome within the next day. Watkins was widely criticized for pursuing the case against Watts and was last month urged by medical and legal professionals to drop the case.from the WPO


sop

(18,614 posts)
35. Ohio voters just passed constitutional protections for abortion access and other reproductive rights.
Thu Jan 11, 2024, 04:30 PM
Jan 2024

(AP) - "The amendment declared an individual’s right to 'make and carry out one’s own reproductive decisions' and passed with a strong 57% majority. It was the seventh straight victory in statewide votes for supporters of abortion access nationally since the U.S. Supreme Court overturned constitutional protections."

The Ohio constitutional amendment was supposed to take effect in December, but Republicans there are doing everything they can to prevent that from happening. Meanwhile existing abortion-related cases are still moving through the courts, even after voters decided the issue. Apparently, the people sitting on this grand jury agree with the majority of Ohio's voters.

SouthernDem4ever

(6,619 posts)
62. I don't understand how the Ohio legislature thinks they have the right to override the state constitution
Fri Jan 12, 2024, 12:37 PM
Jan 2024

WTF is that all about?

sop

(18,614 posts)
64. After Florida restored felons' voting rights in 2018, the legislature passed a bill requiring convicted felons to
Fri Jan 12, 2024, 03:00 PM
Jan 2024

pay "fines and fees" to the State before they would be allowed to vote again, supposedly as reimbursement for fines and legal costs involved in their original prosecution. Civil rights groups sued and a federal judge ruled that it was "akin to an unconstitutional poll tax for Florida to require that people with serious criminal convictions pay court fines and fees before they can register to vote."

An appeals court then overturned that decision. The matter is still in the courts, with no resolution in sight. Six years after the people voted to restore their rights, most convicted felons are still disenfranchised in Florida. I imagine the Ohio State Legislature will enact a series of legal/medical obstacles for women to clear before they are granted their right to make their own reproductive choices.

Ohio is doing the same thing with the recreational marijuana law that just passed. Even though marijuana is now legal in Ohio, the House has yet to create a system for people to legally buy it. There are no authorized sellers, and the Division of Cannabis Control isn’t processing retailer applications. From what I've read, they're delaying the process to prevent the sale of marijuana.

lindysalsagal

(22,910 posts)
37. Good, but this is still insane, and they'll just write another law they GJ can't override.
Thu Jan 11, 2024, 04:35 PM
Jan 2024

They want to own the uteri, and they're not backing down.

Ms. Toad

(38,635 posts)
66. The law they used has nothing to do with abortion, specifically.
Fri Jan 12, 2024, 09:07 PM
Jan 2024

The charges were under the statutes prohibiting abuse of a corpse - for flushing a 22-week fetus (about the size of a sweet potato or papaya) down the toilet.

I think the charges are absurd, but this isn't an abortion law that a grand jury overrode. The grand jury simply recognized that Brittany's actions did not fall within the statute - which is unchanged since 1996.

AllyCat

(18,842 posts)
41. So relieved for her but the treatment of Ms Watts
Thu Jan 11, 2024, 05:01 PM
Jan 2024

Was despicable. They need to compensate her for the trauma and grief they have caused her.

Niagara

(11,850 posts)
44. Splendid outcome!
Thu Jan 11, 2024, 05:31 PM
Jan 2024

Miss Watts should sue for malicious prosecution, or some sort of legal grounds that pertain to her case. I'm not a lawyer so I wouldn't know the legal terms or grounds.


All I know, is that I would have frightened, stressed out and a total flipping mess over something that we women can't control.

Upthevibe

(10,180 posts)
49. Nevilledog
Thu Jan 11, 2024, 05:55 PM
Jan 2024

This entire situation is beyond belief

Thank God for that Grand Jury.

These types of situations are the talking points, commercials, etc. that we must use moving into the 2024 campaign!

LetMyPeopleVote

(179,838 posts)
52. Grateful to see a jury understands the hell a woman can be put through in America after Roe was overturned.
Thu Jan 11, 2024, 07:05 PM
Jan 2024



An Ohio grand jury declined to indict Brittany Watts, the 34-year-old woman charged with abusing a corpse after experiencing a miscarriage at home.

Grateful to see a jury understands the hell a woman can be put through in America after Roe was overturned.

Ms. Watt's has been put through hell by politicians who don't even understand abortion and a miscarriage are two different things.

And either way abortion and miscarriages should not be crimes. Both are part of women's healthcare.

Trumbull County prosecutor Dennis Watkins, a Democrat, should never have charged Ms. Watt's with a crime, but he says the Republican state legislators mandated that he did.

Women in America should not have any politicians overseeing their healthcare.

Miscarriage is painful enough without dumbass Republican politicians getting involved in things they have no idea about.

pfitz59

(12,703 posts)
56. My mother's first pregnancy ended in a miscarriage into the toilet.
Thu Jan 11, 2024, 08:32 PM
Jan 2024

She went on to have 7 kids. She told me this when she was old. Not uncommon. Rarely talked about due to PRIVACY. The root of these fanatical Handmaiden Laws is stripping privacy, dignity and freedom away from women and girls. Abominable.

niyad

(132,440 posts)
59. FUCK THE GODDAMNED CHRISTOFASCIST THEOCRATIC WOMAN-HATERS
Thu Jan 11, 2024, 09:53 PM
Jan 2024

who created her nightmare.

May all involved receive everything they deserve.

ecstatic

(35,075 posts)
61. Relieved but sad that this is even happening in this country.
Fri Jan 12, 2024, 09:37 AM
Jan 2024

The questions I have now are:

Did Ms. Watts have to pay for her attorneys out of her own pocket? Did good lawyers step up to help pro bono?

Will other women in situations like this get good representation?

Will the State have to reimburse / pay back any of the money?

Are women and men going to do the right thing this year and vote these heartless, privacy-invading motherfuckers out?

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