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appmanga

(571 posts)
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 10:03 PM Feb 2021

Hey Ari Melber...

...and all the other great legal minds who are castigating the House managers for not pressing to bring forward witnesses. You're missing what Jamie Raskin and the others realized: they were having a trap set for them.

The issue comes from that fact that a vote would be taken for any witness to appear. In a 50-50 Senate, under impeachment, a tie vote is a loss, so there was no danger of irrelevant people being issued subpoenas because Democrats would have held the line. And that was the trap. How could the five Republicans who voted for the first witness deny voting for Trump to at least have at least one or more witnesses? If any of those five votes goes over, the Republicans get that witness, and the trial becomes the circus the managers wanted to avoid. And if the Democrats are perceived to not want to be fair by all of them voting against any potential witness for Trump, do they lose some of those Republicans?

And what if a potential witness like Kevin McCarthy fights the subpoena? Does anyone remember Don McGahn ever showing up, despite a House subpoena? While the Senate has more experience and success with inherent contempt, that doesn't mean the process doesn't get dragged out.

This was a trap, and Raskin knew it.

Having Rep. Butler's unrefuted facts as part of the record and part of the evidence was a win, and it wouldn't have mattered if there were dozens of witness who would testify against Trump, he was not going to be convicted. To think there was more to be gained is disingenuous, foolish, and twitterbait, and it needs to stop.

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Hey Ari Melber... (Original Post) appmanga Feb 2021 OP
Ari is on my shit list tonight. Irish_Dem Feb 2021 #1
The Game Was Rigged sfstaxprep Feb 2021 #2
I'm on cilla4progress Feb 2021 #3
This msfiddlestix Feb 2021 #4
Thank you for explaining this so well StarfishSaver Feb 2021 #5
Let me see if I have this right servermsh Feb 2021 #6
At this point, Ari just plays an attorney on TV. dem4decades Feb 2021 #7
Ari Melber is a child. Maru Kitteh Feb 2021 #8
57 senators didn't need additional witnesses. The 43 wouldn't have changed their minds our way and chowder66 Feb 2021 #9
I just love how all these low level lawyers Bev54 Feb 2021 #10
Did Ari manage to work in some cool hip hop references and lyrics? sop Feb 2021 #11
I never miss Ari's show because I love all his hip-hop references renate Feb 2021 #13
Raskin is a rock star. Joinfortmill Feb 2021 #12

sfstaxprep

(9,998 posts)
2. The Game Was Rigged
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 10:06 PM
Feb 2021

There was NOTHING they could have done or shown that would have got them more than the 57 votes they had.

They decided to take their 57 votes and go home.

It was for that reason I never expected witnesses to be called.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
5. Thank you for explaining this so well
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 10:11 PM
Feb 2021

I have been struggling to get this point across all day and am just worn out. So glad to have such articulate reinforcement!

servermsh

(913 posts)
6. Let me see if I have this right
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 10:11 PM
Feb 2021

We shouldn't call any witnesses because Republicans might attempt to call irrelevant witnesses, we would vote that down, and that would be bad somehow?

And we shouldn't call witnesses because they wouldn't want to testify? Is that right?

Are you advocating the Biden DOJ take that same approach with witnesses? What if Graham threatens to jam up the Senate if the DOJ investigates Trump? Should we give in then?

Maru Kitteh

(28,339 posts)
8. Ari Melber is a child.
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 10:16 PM
Feb 2021

I do not watch him because I do not expect this to ever change, no matter his age.






chowder66

(9,067 posts)
9. 57 senators didn't need additional witnesses. The 43 wouldn't have changed their minds our way and
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 10:19 PM
Feb 2021

would have split hairs disingenuously to reason out why.

Bev54

(10,048 posts)
10. I just love how all these low level lawyers
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 10:38 PM
Feb 2021

try to make themselves experts over and above someone like Raskin, who truly has the credentials and the smarts. Trump's smarmy lawyers trying to explain to him the constitution and senate rules, a guy who is an ambulance chaser and knows nothing about senate rules and the difference between and impeachment and a court trial. I don't know how Raskin was able to restrain himself but it shows who the real man is. That guy was just another Trump whose only ability was to insult others because he knows he will never be half the person his opponent is.

renate

(13,776 posts)
13. I never miss Ari's show because I love all his hip-hop references
Sun Feb 14, 2021, 12:22 AM
Feb 2021

Oh wait. I mean I never watch Ari’s show because his constant hip-hop references being shoved into every discussion whether they’re applicable or not make me want to scream.

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