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"Gilligan's Island" ran for 3 years.
Then it was cancelled to make room for - "Gunsmoke".
I think that sums up what we have to work with.
SarahD
(1,732 posts)Sheriff turns a blind eye to prostitution in return for sexual favors. Perfect.
patphil
(9,068 posts)Ferrets are Cool
(22,959 posts)orangecrush
(30,261 posts)No one was ever shot on Gilligan's Island.
Chainfire
(17,757 posts)All of the good westerns that we love are contributors to gun violence in America. To my generation, there was nothing wrong with settling disputes by shooting someone and hangings were justice, not lynching. As a kid, all of us boys had a gun and holster and nobody wanted to be an Indian. Real men carried guns and fought with their fists. The value of propaganda.
whathehell
(30,470 posts)of the old westerns and any contribution they would have made to America's present day gun problem. To shoot someone in these shows -- except in defense of the self, or others- was NOT portrayed as okay. It is, in fact, why those guys were called "outlaws" and pursued by "good guy" lawmen...Hanging was a form of
lawful execution that followed due process and was almost always portrayed as such. The " lynchings shown were carried out by outlaw "bad guys", and they were either broken up by "good guy" marshalls, or their perpetrators were pursued as criminals.
"Crime doesn't pay" was a VERY strong theme in that era. It was clear to me and I honestly don't know how anyone could have missed that.
Chainfire
(17,757 posts)That worked out to 1.47 per show. When I was 7 years old, there were 30 westerns on TV. The message was that real men, perfected the use of firearms, against other men. The faster the draw, the tougher the fist, the better the man was. There are groups in the country, today, that hold that that is still true. Liberals usually don't take a fancy to the type, partner.
Attilatheblond
(8,880 posts)That always puzzled me.
whathehell
(30,470 posts)the "good family man" was in the perilous position of having to defend himself or other innocents against those trying to kill THEM. I'm not sure how, in explicit terms, at least, this violates the moral code.
It sounds like your real issue with these shows is their very construct -- their depiction of violence and its possible effects on children and the larger society.
It's a very old critique of popular culture generally, and it's not limited to America or the past -- Violent video games, anyone?
It seems the jury is still out on the question: Defenders of the old westerns could argue that the violence was a realistic depiction of the time and place. Others dismissed it's being a serious threat on the basis of it's being fiction, "just a tv show". Some might even reference historic conventions of drama -- Hell, even Shakespeare was violent.
That said, I never intended to take on the whole issue of "violence in media'" or "toxic masculinity" here, as those are neither new nor limited to American entertainment, past or present.
Excuse me, but "sexual favors" granted to the sheriff in a quid pro quo situation is nothing but an assumption on your part, and not a very sound one. Matt Dillon and Kitty were portrayed as having a genuine friendship.
SarahD
(1,732 posts)Thanks for a good laugh.
whathehell
(30,470 posts)If you had, you'd know your 'quid pro quo' scenario could never have made it past the Hayes Code, something that wasn't repealed until 1968. Thank you "for the good laugh".
SarahD
(1,732 posts)They never showed anything specific? The viewer was left to imagine what they got up to when they were alone. Do you also imagine that the saloon girls were not prostitutes? That Kitty was not a madame?
whathehell
(30,470 posts)show married couples lying in the same bed together!
As to the rest, Ms Kitty and company may have been engaging in prostitution, but since I was just 8 years old when I started watching it, her relationship with the Marshall wasn't a source of speculation for me. Their interactions were always portrayed as relaxed and friendly. That, to me, argues against it's being based on an extortionary "deal".
Was it just platonic? Maybe not, but I think the fact that he never addressed her by anything but "Miss" Kitty suggests otherwise.
Chainfire
(17,757 posts)girls were entertaining.
Of course, I may have that wrong, perhaps a celibate and frustrated Matt Dillon was behind him killing between 150 and 300 men and several women.
whathehell
(30,470 posts)..Whatever floats you boat, honey!
Chainfire
(17,757 posts)rsdsharp
(12,004 posts)When the widow told her she didnt need to buy her stuff, Kitty said she appreciated the quality. Believe me, I know fancy work.
Permanut
(8,391 posts)I have the complete DVD set of Gilligan's Island, right next to my set of "The Beverly Hillbillies".
orangecrush
(30,261 posts)No one was ever shot on Gilligan's Island.
House of Roberts
(6,527 posts)How about Thad? I almost forgot him.
Silent Type
(12,412 posts)House of Roberts
(6,527 posts)Deputy Marshal Sam McCloud.
Silent Type
(12,412 posts)Emile
(42,293 posts)Dillon. Parley Baer as Chester Wesley Proudfoot.
Howard McNear (Barber on Mayberry) as Doc Adams. This was the radio show cast.
Celerity
(54,411 posts)sakabatou
(46,151 posts)-George Carlin
bahboo
(16,953 posts)Xolodno
(7,350 posts)...but that would definitely be a deviation above peoples heads and wouldn't be as funny.
whathehell
(30,470 posts)the average "American"...To speak of an "average person" is to speak globally, not specifically of one country. Were this, in fact, posted here about ANY other country, it would be deleted for BiGOTRY.
niyad
(132,446 posts)to 1967. What am I missing?
orangecrush
(30,261 posts)It was put in Gilligan's Island spot to please the wife of a network executive.
niyad
(132,446 posts)William S. Paley, a fan of Gunsmoke, switched the plans to cancel Gunsmoke and continue Gilligan.
I have to ask, do you seriously think that absurd Gilligan series somehow indicates. .what? Superior plots? Great acting? And Gunsmoke, to you, represents. . what, exactly? No snark here. I am just trying to understand your point.
orangecrush
(30,261 posts)Was, imo alone, one of the dumbest shows ever to air.
As a 10 year old, I loved it.
Gunsmoke was one of the most violent shows in the history of t.v.. IIRC, the shows intro was a showdown with someone being shot down in the street by Matt Dillon.
Get your killing in beginning of every episode!
niyad
(132,446 posts)although it was not intended to. You made some very thoughtful, and correct, observations. I knew that those shows were on, even at my house, but I was usually reading.
Years later, I met Jim Arness's brother, Peter Graves (Mission Impossible). Very tall, very polite, loved to gamble.
Attilatheblond
(8,880 posts)That explains how a bunch of us on a business trip to Tahoe met him in the Reno airport!
All these years, I could never figure how a guy like that would be heading to a hotel in Reno. Thanks, mystery solved!
niyad
(132,446 posts)when he gambled in Lake Tahoe, as did Sammy Davis, who was an absolute hoot when it came to keno.
marble falls
(71,936 posts)czarjak
(13,639 posts)Unfortunately.
myohmy2
(3,721 posts)...nearly half the population can't tell the truth from a lie...they'd rather live in their make-believe world instead of reality...
...they refuse to consider what anyone has to say...they relish in ignorance and treat stupidity as if it were a virtue...
...they want to destroy this country and tear it down...it has gotten to the point I can't recognize these people anymore...they're foreign and alien to the America I love...
...they were once family, friends and neighbors...now they've become the enemy of all that is dear to me...
...why...
...
no_hypocrisy
(54,908 posts)ExWhoDoesntCare
(4,741 posts)Gunsmoke took over? Took over what? A time slot? So what?
If a show is cancelled, it's because people stop watching.
A syndication spot? So?
Gunsmoke had many more years on the air than Gilligan's Island, and thus has more episodes available. That means more shows, so viewers don't get bored.
Gunsmoke was a better show than Gilligan's Island, anyway. Better actors, better writers and more varied storylines that had a semblance of reality. GI was a one-trick pony that grew old, and fast. Plus, it made no sense. An unmapped island that close to California was no longer a reality by the 1960s. You do know that, right?
That's why it went off the air. Audiences got tired of seeing the same silly, overworked plot about people nobody cared enough to search for in the first place.
orangecrush
(30,261 posts)edhopper
(37,370 posts)Paley, and CBS cancelled it because they thought it was too low brow and didn't fit the image of the "Tiffany" Network.
It had better ratings than Gunsmoke, but CBS thought Gunsmoke would be helped by moving it to Gilligan's time slot.
Your premise is in error. Ratings did not dictate this schedule.
avebury
(11,197 posts)is the over fascination with "reality/talent" shows. That is like the modern day equivalent of sending people to the Forum to watch the gladiators fight to distract them from what is really going on around them. I know I will get crucified for it but you could also extend the analogy by adding professional sports to the mix.
orangecrush
(30,261 posts)It's an old story.
How else could those self obsessed, vapid, horrible Kardashians be fucking millionaires!
Oneironaut
(6,300 posts)Their purpose is to maximize profits at very little production cost. Thats why shows that are actually good keep getting cancelled for crap like, Duck Dynasty.
Netflix and streaming services will soon be taken over by low quality shit programming as well, and also endless commercials. Thats because the current cable model is the most profitable model.
jimfields33
(19,382 posts)It was funny at first but like stupid Gilligans Island got a well deserved cancellation.
marble falls
(71,936 posts)jimfields33
(19,382 posts)It was cute at the beginning. Millionaires who started with nothing and looked ridiculous. But it got repetitive like the Island and many other shows.
marble falls
(71,936 posts)... and clean shaven until the show started. The only real ones there was mama and the goofy ice tea swilling uncle.
marble falls
(71,936 posts)Oneironaut
(6,300 posts)He shit his pants and bankrupted daddys companies until he was able to con NBC executives into creating a reality show about his life.
DBoon
(24,989 posts)and glamorize brutal competition with winning at all cost.
True capitalist values.
marble falls
(71,936 posts)sakabatou
(46,151 posts)and allow a network to save money. They will also want shows which can be syndicated, because shows with actual story are harder to jump into.
tinymontgomery
(2,859 posts)Sometimes watching stupid shows lets you just sit back, have a laugh and not worry about anything. I also like the old GET SMART shows.
Beausoleil
(3,016 posts)With Mel Brooks and Buck Henry as creators/writers.
Dave says
(5,425 posts)tinymontgomery
(2,859 posts)Mike Nelson
(10,943 posts)... not sure I understand the post. Gunsmoke was well-produced, and ran for many years. I watched some reruns of it and The Rifleman on ME recently. I was surprised at the "liberal" messages in many of the stories. Gilligan's Island was dumb, indeed! It did have a great theme song and went "in color" in a good setting.
XanaDUer2
(15,772 posts)Also surprised at some liberal plots.
elocs
(24,486 posts)But you are absolutely correct about them having Liberal messages in some stories.
Gunsmoke was the first tv show I can remember watching back in 1955 and The Rifleman was special to me as a young boy growing up without a father. Gilligan's Island could only be described at best as "silly".
former9thward
(33,424 posts)I would not search for reruns of either but if one popped up, I would watch it. Gunsmoke was not the most violent show, but I have no problems with violence in shows. The problem with Gilligan's Island is that their constant failure to get off the island every show became tiresome and repetitive.
elocs
(24,486 posts)Gilligan's Island was just stupid for anyone over 10 years old.
Ponietz
(4,331 posts)She said, Ive heard of that.
marble falls
(71,936 posts)Now there's a cancellation that marks a fall in American popular culture.
Gunsmoke has been broadcast since '52 (on radio til '61). Marshall Dillon was voiced by William Conrad
area51
(12,693 posts)I can't get over they used them in a horror movie.
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GP6971
(38,016 posts)Ocelot II
(130,538 posts)Have you ever watched Britain's "Benny Hill"? Or Japanese game shows? Or Mexican soap operas? There seems to be a worldwide appetite for brainless amusement. We don't have a corner on that market.
whathehell
(30,470 posts)I made the same point earlier in the thread..So tired of the "five minutes of self-hate"
Marthe48
(23,175 posts)when I was working from home in computer operations. Gunsmoke had many story lines about inclusion, respect, championing the underdog, (of Native Americans and settlers) fighting the land and cattle barons, doing the right thing. William Conrad on the radio shows was a fantastic choice for Matt Dillon. What a voice!
I watched early episodes of Gunsmoke, Bonanza, reruns of Roy Rogers, The Texan (loved Rory Calhoun) Zorro, and The Lone Ranger. The shows were black and white and so were the characters. I think all of the shows were not just to portray good behavior winning out over evil doing, but also to reinforce good behavior in people already practicing it.
The modern crime shows all seem to be cautionary tales that LE will catch up with you if you commit a felony. Too bad that isn't true in real life!
orangecrush
(30,261 posts)When I was about 8, for some infraction (don't know why not my room).
In the dark, I turned on the old RCA clock radio and listened to "Bonanza". (This was around 1965.)
Suddenly, it wasn't punishment!
LakeArenal
(29,949 posts)As my mom used to say .. its just a story.
orangecrush
(30,261 posts)Yes.
Deep State Witch
(12,717 posts)Great job, comparing America of 2024 to decisions made by network executives in the 1960's.
orangecrush
(30,261 posts)One of the tail end, late 50's with a huge chrome plated male ego to match.
I am sometimes blinded by the suns reflection on it, I admit.
Raine
(31,179 posts)I guess just add me in with the rest of dumb Americans.
Wounded Bear
(64,328 posts)orangecrush
(30,261 posts)Thank you.
whathehell
(30,470 posts)that the televised programming of the
The Rest of The World is all Masterpiece Theatre quality?..If so, you've got a lot to learn.
Ocelot II
(130,538 posts)it's easy to assume the stupid shows are uniquely American, made for a stupid American audience (thereby proving that Americans are stupid, right?) - but we never see the stupid shows produced in other countries for their stupid people (or maybe for the ordinary people who just want to relax and watch something harmlessly bland and amusing). If we want evidence that Americans are stupid we can look to our politicians, but our TV shows are no worse than those produced in other countries. The BBC sends us only Britain's best shows; we don't get to see the dumb ones, so we assume all of them are better than ours. They aren't.
Rebl2
(17,743 posts)Gilligans Island, but then I was probably seven or eight yo. Never liked Gunsmoke and dont like it now.
BannonsLiver
(20,595 posts)orangecrush
(30,261 posts)Is watching Gilligan's Island.
Still miffed about the Navajo, I take it?
whathehell
(30,470 posts)of this huge nation on the basis of two television programs, you may have answered your own question about at least one of them.
orangecrush
(30,261 posts)Like the professor!
whathehell
(30,470 posts)orangecrush
(30,261 posts)Aristus
(72,188 posts)Too many Americans are taking that as a challenge.
Elessar Zappa
(16,385 posts)nitpicked
(1,834 posts)My parents used to turn off the TV when the Gunsmoke theme song came on.
orangecrush
(30,261 posts)Someone got shot in nearly every episode.
Arne
(3,609 posts)I have his sport coat and wore it on New Years eve.
The one with the yacht club stuff all over it.
Now I'm getting nostalgic...
BlueKota
(5,351 posts)my older sister, always replies, "not as old as youre going to be." So my answer to this question is similar. "Pretty dumb, but not as dumb as they're going to be, if they are forced to grow up in an uneducated country run by Republicans.
orangecrush
(30,261 posts)Rafi
(281 posts)I thought Miss Kitty was hot and so was Mary Anne from Gilligan.
Attilatheblond
(8,880 posts)Gunsmoke ran from1955 to 1975 per https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0047736/] and my childhood memories. My clan of Midwesterners always played a game of spot the error (such as a jet vapor trail in the sky, mountains and rugged rock formations not found near Dodge City, KS). It was how my dad and uncle taught us to be skeptical about what was portrayed on the TV, a most valuable lesson.
Gilligan and the Skipper wrecked the boat in 1963 and were stuck on that island until 1967 per https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0057751/] One has to marvel at all the evening gowns Ginger managed to sneak onboard for a three hour tour.
MerryBlooms
(12,248 posts)Or whatever that shitshow is. Naked something. Masked singer. You didn't even begin to scrape the bottom of the barrel. Gunsmoke and Gilligan's Island are highlights!
usonian
(25,332 posts)It's all a blur now.
But some things never change.

MyMission
(2,010 posts)Makes me wonder if these early gun glorification shows helped to shape the current gun culture.
The old West was glorified by gunfights, although they tried to show guns killed the bad guys.
I never watched gunsmoke or the rifleman. I did enjoy Gilligan's island. And I remember watching Superman and Batman and the fist fights, no guns. Bam! Pow!
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GP6971
(38,016 posts)wish I could say it's nice to see you again, but I would be lying.
Buns_of_Fire
(19,161 posts)Later rebooted as "Here Comes Fatty Poo Poo", but the network thought it might be confusing to viewers, so they retitled it "The Apprentice".