Tell me why anyone supports Hamas. This is sadistic.

[mcar]

Link to tweet

Hamas has released a new propaganda video showing three hostages: Noa Argamani, Yossi Sharabi, and Itay Svirsky.

The caption at the end reads: “Tomorrow we will inform you of their fate”

[Turbineguy]

1. They want the killing to continue.

It's a death cult. It doesn't matter who dies.

[mcar]

3. They've openly said they want more massacres

They filmed and released the footage of them raping, maiming and murdering innocent people, babies included.

And yet, they seem to be gaining more support.

[Turbineguy]

5. The Palestinians, what they are as a state

Have been broken a long time. As a result, they always make the wrong choice. So many countries and people have tried to help them, it's all for naught. Hamas does not care how many children in Gaza have been killed as it serves their purpose.

[Igel]

25. They were "broken" in the '20s and '30s and '40s.

Exactly when did they break? Under the Ottomans?


On edit (in addition to the " " in the subject line): It's less a "they're broken" thing and more a "we are the proper rulers and if our group isn't in charge, we think pogroms and killing and oppression are the way to go." It's a very KKK kind of thing--and was behind the Turkish genocides that hit the Syrian Xians and Armenians and Greeks; it's Putin's general attitude in Ukraine. It's not a "they're broken" kind of thing. It's a power thing. Given an ideology and culture says that your group/etc. must be supreme, anything that doesn't grant supremacy is evil and against Nature. There are lots of those, some growing and some in disgrace, but lots of them.)

[brer cat]

2. More agony for their families.

I don't understand people who defend Hamas either.

[mcar]

4. I'm waiting for the "but Israel" responses to this

SMDH

[Hekate]

14. No worries -- they'll be along, plus the people begging Israel to unconditionally stop because, Peace

Same ones who spent a year saying Ukraine should just give Putin anything he wants because then there will be Peace. Before they got distracted by Israel.

My dear people, what Putin wants is Ukraine knee deep in rubble, all the Ukrainian children shipped off to be “adopted” by Russians, and everyone else pretty much dead. He does not say it but his actions speak for him. (he says it’s de-Nazification, but I doubt anyone believes that)

Hamas wants all Jews everywhere dead, and the thing is they keep SAYING it. They don’t CARE how many Palestinians die in the process because God wants them to be holy martyrs and go to Muslim Paradise. They say it and they mean it and they make terrorist videos of their rapes and murders. It’s all God’s Will.

No one ever says how the victim of the original assault will achieve “Peace” by rolling over and exposing their belly. Pet dogs get a belly rub, but among wolves all you get is disemboweled.

[Eko]

22. I want Ukraine to absolutely kick russias ass.

But I think the killing in Gaza has been way over proportionate. I guess I am not a real person though according to you. I must re-evaluate my existence. Am I Real?

[Happy Hoosier]

33. The thing you have to ask...

... is are you willing to let Hamas not only escape accountability for Oct 7, but also to remain in power to plan another one? If yes, you have to acknowledge that that's what you are a advocating for. The civilian deaths are absolutely tragic. But this was always Hamas's plan.... make removing them from power so painful that they are essentially invulnerable. I'm not personally willing to tolerate that.

[Eko]

49. You are asking the wrong question.

I am not willing to let any political groups in Gaza or Israel stay in power that have perpetuated this entire madness.

[Hekate]

48. Disagreeing with me does not make you an un-person, nor does being wrong.

They aren’t even the same thing, necessarily. I could be wrong myself.

Stick to your own passions, but please try to understand what I said about the difference between a belly rub and disembowelment.

[question everything]

44. No, they don't care about their losses

From https://www.democraticunderground.com/1016371260

An Oct. 19 clip has Hamas leader Khaled Mashal shrugging off the suffering Hamas has brought on Gazan civilians. “Nations are not easily liberated,” he says. “The Algerian people sacrificed six million martyrs.” Hamas would gladly follow that example. Most recently, Memri has Hamas politburo chief Ismail Haniyeh declaring on Jan. 9, in a speech aired on Al Jazeera: “We should hold on to the victory that took place on Oct. 7 and build upon it.” To the West, Mr. Haniyeh demands an end to the war and even gestures at a two-state solution, but to the Arab masses he says “the time has come for the jihad of the swords.” To these videos, Memri adds only captioned translations, so that viewers draw conclusions for themselves.

[BootinUp]

6. What is the confusion? Are we talking about terrorists or innocents

that are trapped in gaza.

That is the the dividing line.

[Happy Hoosier]

34. But Hamas makes it so that...

you can't hurt the terrorists willing hurting innocents. That was always their plan. Do we allow it succeed or not?

[uponit7771]

64. US did better slightly in Faluja, Israel can do the same decides not to

[Happy Hoosier]

67. Apple and Oranges

There wasn’t a network if tunnels under Faluja.

But you didn’t answer the question. Are tou willing to let Hamas remain in power despite what they did on Oct 7? Advocating for a permanent ceasefire without their removal is a yes answer.

[Cha]

7. Butchers of HAMAS taunting

Loved ones of the hostages they dragged away on October 7, 2023.

Hoping the Best 🕊️🕯️💙🇮🇱💙

[betsuni]

8. Black or white, all or nothing ideology: U.S./West is evil corrupt immoral, enemies must be moral and good

speaking truth to power even if terrorists. That's my theory.

[Kennah]

11. This

The US, UK, and USSR were the three primary allies against Germany, Italy, and Japan during WWII.

So many see WWII as an absolute battle between Good and Evil, and the Evil side commits genocide. Allies good. Axis bad.

USSR only joined in because Germany attacked them, and they took advantage to expand their territory. Germany marched into Poland in 1939, and the USSR marched into Poland in 1945.

The US only joined in because Japan attacked them, and there were lots of isolationists and even Nazi sympathizers in the US and UK.

In October 1943, Italy joined the Allies. This is but a few of the details that mar the Good vs Evil story.

Some cannot think critically and accept there are rarely absolutes.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

9. This is disgusting behavior

[Cha]

10. This is who they are and look who supports them..

fucking "protesters"..

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[Hekate]

15. Astroturf at its most toxic

[Cha]

17. Yes, Astro Turf and here's the dictionary definition..

As·tro·Turf
[ˈastrōˌtərf]
noun
trademark
an artificial grass surface, used for athletic fields.
simulated or artificially created public support for something, generated by an orchestrated marketing or public relations campaign:
"an Astroturf movement designed to trample any opposition" · "congressional staff are getting better at spotting Astroturf lobbying"

https://www.bing.com/search?q=aggressers&form=ANNTH1&refig=2fbf8896f13b46f0b2e2b506db4021f2&pc=HCTS

[Eko]

23. If I share videos of christians calling for the death of non-christians will you also agree that they

Talk for everyone? Will that be who they are and who supports them?

[sarisataka]

12. I will bet one shiny nickel

That Hamas will blame Israel.

Double or nothing- people will believe that without question.

[DFW]

16. I think you would owe me a shiny nickel

Hamas doesn‘t blame Israel for what they do, or for the consequences of what they do. They know perfectly well what they are responsible for.

What Hamas will do—and they are very good at it—will be to get millions of other people to blame Israel.

[Hekate]

18. There is that

[SqueakyWheel.363]

13. You can support Palestine

and not support Hamas, just like you can support Israel and not support Likud

[Cha]

19. Tell That to these Shitheads..

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[Bucky]

54. That dude who says "normalize massacres as the status quo"

Please tell me you at least recognize the irony. Right now massacres ARE the status quo in Gaza. This monster and Netanyahu are after the same results --- getting their agenda met in the deaths of Palestinians. Netanyahu at least has the "virtue" of not specifically targeting civilians. He just doesn't care that they're being used as shields, he's willing to oblige Hamas and bomb his way through them in order to kill a handful of terrorists. We don't know if he's accomplishing that, but the blood doesn't bother him.
Hamas loves the blood; they thrive off it. When this is over, they'll need to send Bibi a nice thank-you note for granting their Christmas wish.

[Cha]

56. HAMAS started this WAR with the Massacre

on Israel. OCTOBER 7, 2023.

This is ALL on the Butchers of HAMAS.

[Bucky]

59. Yes, Hamas started this phase of the conflict with their terrorist attack

I think you know that there's a LOT more causing this conflict than one attack. Hamas would not be nearly so powerful if Israel hadn't continued to push illegal settlers into Palestine's West Bank. Hamas is guilty of its aggressions, but they have the support because Israel is guilty of its own aggressions.

[Arazi]

68. It's not just a "handful of terrorists"

Hamas is estimated to be 25-30,000, plus who knows how many passive supporters within the population.

It’s a death cult that’s pervasive throughout the society hiding in tunnels running underneath civilians.

I don’t disagree with your point however Israel obviously can’t just let Hamas/the status quo continue in Gaza any longer. The time of appeasement is finished

[Whiskeytide]

24. Can you support Palestinians that support Hamas without ...

… supporting Hamas?

Can you support Israelis that support Likud without supporting Likud?

I’m not being flippant. I suspect most here agree with your post in principle. The problem is that it doesn’t allow for a solution.

[SqueakyWheel.363]

50. Well,

Considering the roots of this conflict are deeply embedded in the failure of Israel to listen to the international courts ordering them to end their apartheid occupation of Palestine, I opted for the kinder statement. Both Hamas and Likud represent a minimal part of both countries, but both take undue advantage of the situation. That said, Hamas would not exist but for Netanyahu giving them money in order undermine the Palestinian Authority in '09. It does our country no good to be involved in this. I'll get trashed for this I'm sure.

[Cha]

57. The Butchers of HAMAS started

this GD WAR with their Massacre of Israelis on Oct 7, 2023.

This is ALL on Hamas.

[TheKentuckian]

63. Bullshit. There have been genocidal wars of aggression, suicide bombers, rockets

, incursions large and small the whole way.

There is no apartheid.

There is no nor has there ever been a Palestine in no small part because the Arabs that call themselves Palestinians only care about Palestine as much as it as impediment to the existence of Israel. That is all there is.

[yardwork]

69. Most of that is false, and it's not even original.

That's the party line being spread by astroturf, and most of it is objectively incorrect.

[Happy Hoosier]

35. Yes, you can, but some of your allies...

are explicitly supporting Hamas. And the rest of the "support Gaza" movement is doing fuck all about it.

[DET]

20. Unspeakable Horror

I remember some of the earliest video of October 7 was of that beautiful young woman being carried away while her companion walked helplessly nearby. I can’t imagine the horror that both must have endured. Praying that they are still alive and will be returned to their families.

[Calculating]

26. I guess they want the bombings to continue

Hamas chooses death.

[limbicnuminousity]

27. Raid on Entebbe

This is a topic I generally prefer to avoid on this forum. Some/most opinions here seem locked in.

Setting aside questions of morality, I suspect there would be more uniform support of the Zionist government if the response looked more akin to the raid on Entebbe. It was a "clean" and efficient response to a terrorist hijacking, killing the terrorists while successfully rescuing the hostages. Hell, Bibi led the retaliatory assault & rescue. It was brutal and various governments condemned Israel but it was widely supported in the West.

Compare that to Gaza now. Flooding the tunnels with seawater is literally salting the land. Personally, I wonder if there aren't tunnels being used by non-terrorist Palestinians to hide from rocket and mortar attacks. If anyone has a definitive answer to that, citations please? Salting the land vs the raid on Entebbe? There's no comparison.

The difference, as far as I can see, is actionable intelligence. Right now, the response looks more like retaliatory emotional flailing which is ultimately likely to cause harm to innocents in Israel and Gaza. It's understandable. But is it the best response with a reasonable likelihood of achieving its purported aims: i.e. an end to terrorist attacks on Israel?

[Arazi]

28. Civilians are not allowed into the tunnels

They’re only for Hamas.

Here’s a CBC broadcast on the tunnels

?si=tr3L0g0QoWcVXMRT

As far as surgical strikes, it’s estimated there’s more then 30,000 terrorists in Hamas with who-knows-how-many other supporters that prop them up (UNRWA “teachers” that allow their schools to be ammunition dumps, doctors that allow their hospitals to be hostage holding tanks etc)

I’m not sure how raiding teams can effect a surgical extraction under those circumstances. They don’t even have a grip on where the many entrances are for the tunnels which makes precision impossible

[limbicnuminousity]

30. Good link.

Thank you, that info on the tunnels clarifies matters and addresses a real concern (for me, at least). Salting the land is still a concern, but that may be a foregone conclusion at this point.

Your point concerning surgical strikes is solid. Surgical strikes in this kind of situation at this scale are virtually impossible. The situation reminds me of the difficulties GIs had distinguishing North Vietnamese villagers from Viet Cong. It isn't easy and only the most naïve would think it ever can be easy.

The point I'm trying to make (and thank you for addressing it so rationally) is that the Zionist government, in its completely understandable desire to achieve peace and security, may be doing things it will later regret precisely because fiery emotions are so stoked.

Israel, perhaps more than any other extant nation, has proven its capacity to engage in appropriate and effective retaliation against terrorism while minimizing civilian casualties. I, and perhaps others like me, would simply appreciate Israel showing the same kind of calculated reserve and precise retaliation as it has done in the past.

Civilian casualties are going to be unavoidable. There have already been too many civilian casualties to pretend they can be avoided.

Let's rephrase this.

What kind of military support, intelligence support, and humanitarian aid do you think would suffice to help Israel damage Hamas to the point it is no longer capable of further terrorist attack? Or, do you think that's not even a possibility? That's not an easy question to answer, but I am genuinely curious what your response might be.

[Arazi]

31. I believe the US is probably doing everything it can atm

Providing both ammunition and intelligence but tbh, I don’t think we’ve got a lot of our own assets in there. We’ve mostly relied on Israel to be our eyes and ears on the ground in that region. We already give them a boatload of support for that “service”.

That they failed so spectacularly is stunning.

The US is also one of Gaza’s largest humanitarian aid providers as well so I’m not sure what else we can do for them either. The Palestinians destroyed all trust by squandering billions of humanitarian aid on their terrorism infrastructure - Im not sure throwing more dollars into that cesspool is productive atm until Hamas is gone. Otherwise it’s just money feeding their insane jihad against Israel, with very little going to innocent civilians.

I had a dialogue with another poster on a different thread who wants US soldiers to be fighting in Gaza but imo that would be a massive mistake. Joe Biden would never recover from Americans getting killed fighting in another foreign conflict, our already-tattered international reputation as butchers would be relentlessly paraded in the Islamic world if/when American soldiers inevitably killed civilians (cause urban warfare is always a shitshow).

We don’t have a lot of leverage here despite everyone crying for Biden to implement a ceasefire now. He’s not the PM of Israel and so this ugly horror show is going to continue until Hamas gives up or is eradicated enough that they’re no longer a security threat to Israel. Nobody likes it. If it’s any comfort, this war isn’t even in the top 10 of civilian deaths in the past 50 years. Imo Israel is actually trying to keep the civilian death toll at a minimum but Hamas is determined to put their innocent people in front of their fighters. They believe in martyrdom as a good thing. It’s very hard to get around that mentality… cold comfort I know. 😞

My best advice? Work like hell to get Joe Biden re-elected. We need his old and steady hand at the wheel to continue working on Likud and Netanyahu. If there’s ever going to be a 2state solution at the end of this, he’s probably the only one who can pull it off but he has to be in office to do it.

[limbicnuminousity]

36. Truly thoughtful response.

I can't disagree with anything you've said. Re-electing Biden is a given.

I definitely agree with your assessment concerning military aid, intelligence, humanitarian aid, etc. It's a mess.

It might be productive for the US to more forcefully nudge allies to become more involved. America trying to "handle" the Middle Eastern question on its own simply alienates allies and raises anti-American sentiment throughout the region. That wouldn't necessarily require the US backing out or turning its back on Israel. Inviting more diplomats to the table seems like an avenue for getting everyone on the same page.

To be clear, Hamas has to go. That's never in question. Their surviving membership should be rounded up and delivered to the Hague, imo. No nation can realistically be expected to show humanitarian restraint when judging its terrorists. Humanitarian restraint is necessary because the punishment should be proportionate to the crime. For Hamas, that would mean a life sentence or execution. Sending them to the Hague is simply to make sure they aren't tortured indefinitely. Or is Gitmo the new norm?

[BannonsLiver]

32. Apples and oranges.

Two totally different situations. The comparison is utterly ludicrous.

[question everything]

39. "Zionist government" - is this a dog whistle?

All the governments in Israel are Zionists. Look at a dictionary to find the meaning: Returning the ancient land of Zion (Israel) to a home where Jews are safe and secure. And the recent protests here, calling for “from the river to the sea” - even when many are not sure which river and which sea - confirm this desire.

[limbicnuminousity]

41. It was a polite conversation

that doesn't require your participation. I would expect a person with username "question everything" to begin by questioning their own motivations before throwing baseless accusations at others. Perhaps that is hopelessly naïve.

[question everything]

43. Why, then, did you use this term? Yes, I am questioning everything including your intention

but, of course, one can always deflect.

And why keep referring to the Zionist Government?

And, it was not Bibi who commanded the attack on Entebbe, it was his brother.

Ignorance of acts, deflecting, so much easier

[limbicnuminousity]

45. Fair question

I'm happy to answer a question. Presenting your thought as an accusation only interferes with communication.

I referred to the "Zionist government" because my understanding is that Israel is currently governed by the Likud Party and the Likud Party is self-acknowledged as supporting Revisionist Zionism.

The use of the phrase "Zionism" carries no moral judgment (from me at least). It's using the language the government of Israel uses to define itself.

[question everything]

46. Where to start? "Revisionist Zionism" existed before the formation of the State of Israel in 1948

And the current government, like all before, is a coalition of many parties.

Likud got 32 seats out of 120.

Last, I edited my previous reply that Bibi did not command the attack of Entebbe, it was his young brother Yoni who was killed.

Why not try to find your facts before you post here?

[limbicnuminousity]

47. Sure thing.

Thanks for the illuminating insight.

[TheKentuckian]

66. How would the response look similar when it is a wholly different scenario?

This isn't anywhere near just about a hostage rescue and clearly they nor we have the intelligence capability to effect such either.

The organized terrorist group and government next door is a bit different getting in and out of Uganda and a handful of hijackers long ago before more blood under the bridge is different than a marauding invasion coming raping mutilating.

I also don't get why such examples and there are many through the decades never trigger any thought that there is no coping or dealing a vicious, genocidal, suicidal self proclaimed martyr state.

Nobody else on the planet would tolerate nor would be expected to put up with a quarter of this shit, even half as well or a tenth as long. No way.

At this point I'd want a change in government not because of any devastation in Gaza but because the rockets and attacks are still coming.

Not one more alarm, not one more attack. Whatever it takes.

[limbicnuminousity]

72. Tactics can be adapted across staging areas and environs.

The situations are different, that's not in question.

You wrote: Nobody else on the planet would tolerate nor would be expected to put up with a quarter of this shit, even half as well or a tenth as long. No way.

I agree. I also think Israel might benefit by taking a moment to collect itself and breathe for a moment. That is not to say Israel should wait indefinitely or pursue a course of inaction. Hamas and its membership is an existential threat to Israel. Israel must respond to that threat.

It isn't clear to me at this point whether Israel's priority is:

1) security and safety;
2) retaliation;
3) elimination of Hamas;
4) eradication of the Palestinian people.

All but #4 are understandable at this point.

How might the situation be improved? Well, I sincerely hope Mossad has established a network for communicating with "friendly" Palestinian groups which in turn might identify Hamas cells or encampments. That is the kind of intelligence that can provide a basis for surgical strikes. America could apply diplomatic pressure on the Saudis in the quest for useful intel. Jordan as well. It's pretty obvious that intel is in short supply. Given the cross-talk between Middle Eastern terrorist groups it doesn't require too much of a stretch of the imagination to suspect Saudi or Jordanian intelligence would have actionable intel.

Opening up an avenue for Palestinians to escape the bloodshed. This approach hasn't been fully explored and will require time. There's probably negotiation going on behind the scenes to pursue that very line of action. It needs to happen soon.

This is not a defense of Hamas. I'm saying that I think if Israel isn't careful it's going to have its own My Lai and that doesn't benefit anyone in the long run.

[Chainfire]

29. There are posters that would have you believe that if you show any sympathy for the innocent women and children

in Gaza that you are a Hamas supporter; it is not a rational argument. I assure you that I am not a supporter of Hamas or any other terrorist organization. Israel has the moral and legal obligation to hunt down and destroy Hamas, but not to make war on the civilian population of Gaza. If your neighbor kills your wife and child does that give you a right to kill everyone in the neighborhood to assure that you got the right person?


The anti-Semite accusers search for rationalization in WWII bombings, or other cases of genocide, past or present; I am somewhat surprised that the Inquisition has not been mentioned... yet. There is no rational political or military solution that requires the deaths of 10,000 children. To defend unrestricted warfare against the civilians is heartless. Israel's actions will end up with them "winning" Gaza, but losing any hope of peace in the foreseeable future; it may well be a Pyrrhic victory.

[BuddhaGirl]

37. Well said!

[obamanut2012]

71. Thank you! Well said

[tonekat]

38. The record of Palestinian Political Violence

Is a long bloody history. Munich '72. The school bus massacres. The NYT won't publish my comments inviting people to do their own research on this.

[maxsolomon]

42. You mean the NYT took your online comments down? That's probably on you.

Or do you mean they won't publish your Letter to the Editor? They get zillions of those; I'd imagine you're in good company there.

[maxsolomon]

40. Because they see Hamas as the only organization fighting for Palestinian freedom.

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Support for Hamas is therefore pretty common among Palestinians, Arabs, and Muslims in general.

Does that support extend to Hamas' terrorism? That's when it gets more complicated.

Many Palestinians/Arabs appear to think it's justified response to Israel's oppression, think the results (freed Palestinians in the last ceasefire) justify it, or they wave it off as lies.

Among Americans marching against Genocide in Gaza or for Palestinian freedom, I think there's an attempt to parse the Palestinian cause apart from Hamas' tactics.

I AM NOT DEFENDING HAMAS' TERRORISM. You asked why anyone supports Hamas. I think these are the reasons.

[question everything]

51. Gaza became independent in 2006. What has Hamas done to create good life? Only misery

From https://www.democraticunderground.com/1016369319

Why did Hamas attack on Oct. 7? Israeli oppression? Hamas has ruled Gaza since 2007, two years after the Israelis withdrew. Under decent, intelligent leadership—with a touch of vision, with investment by oil-rich Arab states—Gaza might now be a Mediterranean Singapore. Instead, Hamas has maintained Gaza as an anguished slum, an ongoing dramatization of the Palestinian victimhood that is the source of Hamas’s power and raison d’être.

[Bucky]

55. Thank you. It's painful to contemplate, but you're so right.

No one gives a damn about the Palestinians. Not the Arab nations, not the Palestinians' own politicians, not the Israelis, and sure as hell not the Hamas psychopaths who've hijacked the Gaza government and gaslighted the people there.

[Deep State Witch]

76. The Palestinians are Useful

For Arab governments to bash Israel about. If any of them gave a flying f*ck about the suffering Palestinian people, they would extend an offer for them to emigrate and become citizens. The only country that has done that is Jordan. The Egyptians don't want them because they would cause trouble for the tourist industry. The Lebanese have kept them in camps for decades because they don't want them. Qatar? Saudi Arabia? The UAE? Sure, they want the leaders of Hamas. But the actual Palestinian people? Heck, no! It's cheaper for them to employ Filipinos and Pakistanis as their servants than to actually support their Arab bretheren.

[The Magistrate]

79. This Is Quite True, Ma'am, And Has Been Since '48

Nobody talked of a 'two-state solution' then (in fact, the proposal of one was rejected as cause for war). Things were more explicit in those days. Israel was to cease to exist, and be restored as Palestine, to which none of the Arab powers' winnings in the war of '48 were to be restored: Jordan was to retain the West Bank, Egypt Gaza. Palestine would be everything west of the Armistice Line which remains the de facto border of Israel. The refugee populace of Arab Palestine was to be kept sequestered for the great day of liberation, from the surrounding Arab Powers' point of view it would never do to have them assimilate and dissolve into one more constituent of their own polities.

[mcar]

73. Thank you for that answer

that doesn't call me "McCarthy-ite."

[ColinC]

52. Ask the Israeli government. They are one of their biggest supporters

[Bucky]

53. No one in this forum supports Hamas. Cut out the McCarthyism.

They're the worst of terrorists.

People who want a ceasefire in Gaza want that because they're pro-Israel.

[Behind the Aegis]

58. Did she say anyone at the forum supports Hamas? No, she didn't.

So, if anything needs to be "cut out" it is the strawman arguments and the gaslighting.

"People who want a ceasefire in Gaza want that because they're pro-Israel."



You cannot seriously believe that?!

[Cha]

61. REC.. TY!

Sigh..

"People who want a ceasefire in Gaza want that because they're pro-Israel."

Wow.

[mcar]

75. Thanks BtA

Seems some are a wee bit defensive.

[Cha]

60. Don't personally Insult the OP by Accusing her of "McCarthyism"

Anyone who resorts to that loses.

[JI7]

62. Not true.

[betsuni]

65. "McCarthyism"

[yardwork]

70. The OP didn't say that anybody on DU supports HAMAS.

So cut out the personal attacks. McCarthyism?

There are plenty of people around the world who are openly, proudly supporting HAMAS, including speakers at events who celebrate the October 7 attacks.

And I'm curious. How go you think a cease fire would help Israel survive?

[mcar]

74. Bless your heart

[Cha]

77. ...

[SunSeeker]

80. Pure evil.

They are intentionally torturing these 3 innocent civilians, and their families.