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Jilly_in_VA

(14,361 posts)
Mon Jan 15, 2024, 12:26 PM Jan 2024

Democrats Propose Bill to Neuter Militias

Militias who like to spend their weekends training to overthrow the government could find themselves running afoul of federal law, under new legislation being proposed in the House and Senate Thursday that seeks to curtail paramilitary activity.

The “Preventing Private Paramilitary Activity Act” is being introduced by Senator Ed Markey from Massachusetts, and Congressman Jamie Raskin of Maryland, both Democrats.

The legislation would prohibit publicly patrolling, drilling or engaging in harmful or deadly paramilitary activities, interfering with or interrupting government proceedings, interfering with someone else exercising their constitutional rights, falsely assuming the role of law enforcement, and “training to engage in such behavior.”

The lawmakers propose different tiers of criminal penalties, depending on whether violations result in injury or property damage. The bill would establish harsher penalties for repeat offenders, and probationary sentences for first-time offenders. It would also create paths for the DOJ and private individuals to seek civil federal lawsuits against paramilitary activity.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/n7e5xm/democrats-propose-bill-to-neuter-militias

I predict this will go over like a lead ballon with the GQP.

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Democrats Propose Bill to Neuter Militias (Original Post) Jilly_in_VA Jan 2024 OP
This would render them null and obsolete! GreenWave Jan 2024 #1
Would be nice if something like this could pass...nt Wounded Bear Jan 2024 #2
Step #1 gab13by13 Jan 2024 #3
They are more like a 1% motorcycle gang without the wheels. LastDemocratInSC Jan 2024 #21
While I'd support it totally, we may as well be advocating for "actual" neutering (i.e., surgical castration) hlthe2b Jan 2024 #4
They aren't militias gab13by13 Jan 2024 #6
Preaching to the choir, instead of the courts... hlthe2b Jan 2024 #10
Gangs, not militias. NutmegYankee Jan 2024 #5
Some of our moderate Dems want to help Mike keep his job, maybe Mike can helps us with this. nt Hotler Jan 2024 #7
Good. Now make them practice in Afganistan and you'll weed out the sunshine patriots. /nt bucolic_frolic Jan 2024 #8
They need to be banned from the military, LEO jobs, and security jobs, too. nt redqueen Jan 2024 #9
Another reason to have a national database for law enforcement personnel. LiberalFighter Jan 2024 #25
This should have been done years ago! Initech Jan 2024 #11
If the law could pass, the corrupt & compromised supremes would declare the law unconstitutional. BComplex Jan 2024 #12
Because we now live in bizarro world SouthernDem4ever Jan 2024 #14
Right Wing Death Squads is a more accurate description. spike jones Jan 2024 #13
That'll put a dent in the Airsoft community Aviation Pro Jan 2024 #15
If airsoft groups are planning and training for assassinations or a coup... paleotn Jan 2024 #17
They use airsoft as a training evolution for maneuver training Aviation Pro Jan 2024 #23
I would think city, county, and state law enforcement would be concerned about private militia LiberalFighter Jan 2024 #16
Good start, we need laws against Domestic Terrorism Wild blueberry Jan 2024 #18
Neuter? liberalgunwilltravel Jan 2024 #19
If they are not "well regulated", then they're not a militia according to 2A. Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2024 #20
Many of them are very well regulated LastDemocratInSC Jan 2024 #24
I'm sure that iron clad protections will be included Barry Markson Jan 2024 #22
Neuter their testicles or other parts? LiberalFighter Jan 2024 #26
Interesting. Freethinker65 Jan 2024 #27
As long as it doesn't prevent people TheFarseer Jan 2024 #28
The Supreme Court already did this in J_William_Ryan Jan 2024 #29

gab13by13

(32,318 posts)
3. Step #1
Mon Jan 15, 2024, 12:31 PM
Jan 2024

They are not militias per the definition in the Constitution, they are terrorist organizations.

Words matter - a fence is not a wall.😊

hlthe2b

(113,950 posts)
4. While I'd support it totally, we may as well be advocating for "actual" neutering (i.e., surgical castration)
Mon Jan 15, 2024, 12:33 PM
Jan 2024

But, damn if I wouldn't hope to see some action taken toward these uncontrolled and highly threatening militias.

hlthe2b

(113,950 posts)
10. Preaching to the choir, instead of the courts...
Mon Jan 15, 2024, 01:19 PM
Jan 2024

and regulating them/prosecuting them/controlling them will be a tremendous "lift" given the way SCOTUS has bastardized the Second Amendment to their (these groups) benefit. Scalia et all (DC v Heller) could have strictly defined "militias" in accordance with 2-A and the Founder's original intent. That he/they did not has left us where we are today.

NutmegYankee

(16,478 posts)
5. Gangs, not militias.
Mon Jan 15, 2024, 12:40 PM
Jan 2024

Militias serve under the authority of the state. These groups are just armed gangs.

Hotler

(13,747 posts)
7. Some of our moderate Dems want to help Mike keep his job, maybe Mike can helps us with this. nt
Mon Jan 15, 2024, 12:44 PM
Jan 2024

Initech

(108,772 posts)
11. This should have been done years ago!
Mon Jan 15, 2024, 01:31 PM
Jan 2024

Time to stop calling the Proud Boys, Oath Keepers, III%ers, "militias" and start calling them what they really are: right wing terrorists.

BComplex

(9,913 posts)
12. If the law could pass, the corrupt & compromised supremes would declare the law unconstitutional.
Mon Jan 15, 2024, 01:46 PM
Jan 2024

You know they would.

paleotn

(22,211 posts)
17. If airsoft groups are planning and training for assassinations or a coup...
Mon Jan 15, 2024, 02:09 PM
Jan 2024

I'd say they're a bit under gunned.

Aviation Pro

(15,576 posts)
23. They use airsoft as a training evolution for maneuver training
Mon Jan 15, 2024, 02:53 PM
Jan 2024

They aren't stupid enough to go live.

Or are they?

LiberalFighter

(53,544 posts)
16. I would think city, county, and state law enforcement would be concerned about private militia
Mon Jan 15, 2024, 02:09 PM
Jan 2024

They should explain they do not have authority to stop anyone, arrest them or anything related to law enforcement. In all likelihood they will be staffed by people with a criminal history.

Wild blueberry

(8,295 posts)
18. Good start, we need laws against Domestic Terrorism
Mon Jan 15, 2024, 02:12 PM
Jan 2024

Similar to those against Foreign Terrorism.
Then those domestic terrorists can be fully prosecuted.

Hermit-The-Prog

(36,631 posts)
20. If they are not "well regulated", then they're not a militia according to 2A.
Mon Jan 15, 2024, 02:25 PM
Jan 2024

Bust up the insurrectionists and terrorist organizations that call themselves militia.

 

Barry Markson

(280 posts)
22. I'm sure that iron clad protections will be included
Mon Jan 15, 2024, 02:53 PM
Jan 2024

So that when republicans gain the Whitehouse, not if but when, at some point, their DOJ wouldn't be able to turn such a federal law against folks they deem subversive "Militias".

Freethinker65

(11,203 posts)
27. Interesting.
Mon Jan 15, 2024, 03:13 PM
Jan 2024

They are trying to have GOP argue the "well regulated militia" part of the second amendment...you know, the part they choose to ignore when referring to the constitutionality of any and all gun regulations.

TheFarseer

(9,770 posts)
28. As long as it doesn't prevent people
Mon Jan 15, 2024, 03:16 PM
Jan 2024

from peaceably assembling and exercising their right to protest. I agree their intimidation tactics should be stopped.

J_William_Ryan

(3,496 posts)
29. The Supreme Court already did this in
Mon Jan 15, 2024, 03:44 PM
Jan 2024
Presser v. Illinois (1886), holding that only state governments or the Federal government have the authority to create and sanction militia.

The “Preventing Private Paramilitary Activity Act” would therefore be perfectly Constitutional, in no manner violating the Second Amendment.
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