Just a reminder why someone like TFG won in Iowa

[no_hypocrisy]

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There are voters who really, really believe everything he says. He'll decide everything for them and they won't have the responsibility if things don't work out.

There are voters who vote for whomever is prominently in the media, making that candidate more like a Nielsen rating vote than POTUS candidate.

There are voters (like my friend) who don't have a clue about the serious issues facing this country and the world. These voters choose because "Trump looks like fun." (Yes, that's what my friend said about her "endorsement" of Sarah Palin 16 years ago.)

There are voters who are afraid of the potential negative fall-out if they DON'T vote for him and he wins.

And there are voters who make the choice based on their families, their friends, their co-workers, and perhaps most importantly (in Iowa anyway), their church. Evangelicals really believe that TFG is going to turn this country from a constitutional republic into a country based on Christian Denominationalism to rule over us heretics in this country and the world. Trump will preside over the Second Coming of Christ.

[wcmagumba]

1. In other words, "morons"....

[JanMichael]

4. Salt of the earth. Simple farmers....

[claudette]

30. No

Stupid people. Simple people have brains and morals. MAGATS have neither no matter where they live.

[JanMichael]

37. That was part of the blazing saddles morons quote

[panfluteman]

11. That's MORANS, Dummy!

[BigOleDummy]

26. No need to get personal.....

[spike jones]

13. "Good Germans" n/t

[True Blue American]

2. One word

Says it all!

[Tickle]

3. They voted for Trump because

the like him 😀. They want to live in a fascist world. Period.

[Cosmocat]

28. yep

nm

[Hugin]

5. I don't get all of this hand wringing over the Iowa GOP caucus.

It has been abundantly obvious to me since a night in November 2020 that these f**kers aren’t going to go quietly.

We will have to work for it.

GOTV! All of it!

[malthaussen]

19. Me, neither.

DJT winning the Iowa caucus ranks right up there with "Water is wet" as news.

One can only assume that some people like hand-wringing.

-- Mal

[claudette]

31. Why did

MSNBC make such a big deal of it? Kornacki was unbearable. Muted him every time

[CrispyQ]

32. Regular NBC had Chuckie Todd doing the numbers board & it was like he was on downers comparted to the Korn.

To his credit, Todd talked about the evangelical influence & how it might not be so overwhelming in other areas.

[claudette]

34. 👍

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

40. Because the traitor media gets where they are

By being traitor thugs themselves or at least willing to promote traitor thugs without hesitation. They're all too willing to promote traitor thugs, no matter what.

it's why they're where they are, and they're paid quite handsomely for the privilege of being oligarch lapdogs.

[claudette]

44. 👍

[Flatrat]

6. When all the sane people have left the Repubican party

this is the result you get.

[PortTack]

7. Oh the irony! You talk with these ppl and they will tell you they don't want to be told what to do or think

and that’s what the Dems are all about …huh?

[no_hypocrisy]

8. These people don't want to be told what to do or what to think ---

by DEMOCRATS. Fascists under the cover of being "Republicans" are a different matter.

Almost 50 years ago, my sister announced to our parents that she wanted to convert from Judaism to Catholicism. The real reason was she wanted to manipulate her B/F at the time to propose marriage to her. When one of our parents asked her why she wanted to be Catholic, she did reveal herself: The Church would make all her decisions for her and that was more than fine with her. (She couldn't handle the consequences of making a mistake.)

The basic republican Iowan mentality IMO is similar: let Trump take the heat for a bad choice and we'll follow him off the cliff like lemmings.

[sop]

9. Today's GOP is a coalition of racists, hate-mongers, christian fundamentalists and greedy corporations.

.Trump represents their interests.

[Cosmocat]

29. yep

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

41. His christian supporters aren't all fundamentalists

Really.

[DoBW]

10. Traitors

salt of the earth?, try scum of the earth

[Duncanpup]

12. Exactly

[ConstanceCee]

14. It was only 110,000 people.

[Scrivener7]

15. There is an undercurrent here that no one seems to see.

The prepper/end of days/evangelist/mormon/gun-hoarding/I-meet-Jesus-at-the-laundromat types have melded in common cause and they have multiplied throughout the midwest and west while we weren't looking.

Q was just the tip of the iceberg.

They are completely bat-shit, they egg each other on, the insanity appears to be contagious and their numbers are substantial and growing. They all WANT the end times to come. They all want to use that $100,000 of canned goods and camping gear and guns they've hoarded in their basement. If the end times don't come, they're going to feel foolish about their pallets of baby peas and Doritos. And they will do anything to avoid feeling foolish. Their whole identities are tied up in feeling superior to the rest of us because they know the end times are coming and we don't, and they're prepared and we aren't.

Seriously. They want to try out their toys. They want to cosplay Red Dawn.

And they believe, rightly, that the defendant could very well start the war or allow the disaster that will throw everything into the chaos they crave.

It is as crazy as can be, but it's out there, and it's a substantial movement.

[The Magistrate]

16. You Got It, Ma'am

It's the Klan mustering on its fourth big ride. They've taken one party, I don't think they can take the country, but I'd like to feel certain, rather than more-likely-than-not about it.

[Hugin]

25. Rec'd for "pallets of baby peas and Doritos"!

Aw, the rest of your rant is good too!

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

42. Those people were always amongst us

Even spending a week in Podunkistan makes it clear how many of them have been out there. I was unfortunate enough to live in smallish red state towns in the 80s. It was normal for maybe 10 people to be in the local library at any given time, and more than a few times, I was the only patron there. I had the rare art museum to myself, 99 times out of 100.

But you can bet that all the tent revivals, rodeos, redneck bars, drag-racing track events, high school sports, car races, monster truck pulls and 'pro' wrestling events got packed to the rafters anytime the doors opened.

That was in the 80s.

The stupid has always been there. They've merely found their pied piper.

[Scrivener7]

43. I agree that they have always been there, but this end of days prepper shit has grown beyond

where it ever was.

[MOMFUDSKI]

17. Some want a strong "daddy" so they have

no responsibility in their lives. We all know people like this. Look around.

[calimary]

18. "...they won't have the responsibility if things don't work out."

Maybe not. But they WILL have the ramifications that they’ll be stuck having to live with.

[Ford_Prefect]

21. The term you need to use is Christian Reconstructionism. That is the form of toxic Dominionism which Falwell et al have

been shoving onto the evangelical wing of Christian believers here and abroad. It advocates strict and literal adherence to a particularly old testament biblical theology as the basis for everyday life and for American government. Among other extremes it advocates that the United States should be a Christian theocratic state with laws and punishments derived from the old testament.

Evangelical Christian Dogma does not hold with a Theocracy as such. Reconstructionist dogma has been overlaid onto the belief as a means of herding evangelicals into the Right Wing of American politics and law. It has been so used since the early 1970's as a tool of the RW oligarchy in the same way that their support and agitation of the racist militia groups has been used: to define the further edge of RW culture and to punish those who disagree.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_reconstructionism

Christian reconstructionism is a fundamentalist Calvinist theonomic movement.[1] It developed primarily under the direction of Rousas Rushdoony, Greg Bahnsen and Gary North[2] and has had an important influence on the Christian right in the United States.[3][4] Its central theme is that society should be reconstructed under the lordship of Jesus in all aspects of life.[5] In keeping with the biblical cultural mandate, reconstructionists advocate for theonomy and the restoration of certain biblical laws said to have continued applicability.[6] These include the death penalty not only for murder, but also for idolatry,[7] open homosexuality,[8] adultery, witchcraft and blasphemy.[9]

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J. Ligon Duncan of the Department of Systematic Theology of Reformed Theological Seminary in Jackson, Mississippi, warns that "Theonomy, in gross violation of biblical patterns and common sense, ignores the context of the giving of the law to the redemptive community of the Old Testament. This constitutes an approach to the nature of the civil law very different from Calvin and the rest of the Reformed tradition, which sees the civil law as God's application of his eternal standards to the particular exigencies of his people." Duncan rejects the reconstructionists' insistence that "the Old Testament civil case law is normative for the civil magistrate and government in the New Covenant era". He views their denial of the threefold distinction between moral, civil, and ceremonial law as representing one of the severe flaws in the reconstructionist hermeneutic.[1]

The late Professor Meredith Kline, whose own theology has influenced the method of several reconstructionist theologians, adamantly maintained that reconstructionism made the mistake of failing to understand the special prophetic role of biblical Israel, including the laws and sanctions, calling it "a delusive and grotesque perversion of the teachings of scripture."[34] Kline's student, Lee Irons, furthers the critique:

"According to the Reformed theocrats apparently… the only satisfactory goal is that America become a Christian nation. Ironically… it is the wholesale rejection (not revival) of theocratic principles that is desperately needed today if the church is to be faithful to the task of gospel witness entrusted to her in the present age… It is only as the church… puts aside the lust for worldly influence and power – that she will be a positive presence in society.[35]"

[sop]

35. "Theonomy" ("theonomists") is term that should be used more often.

Theonomists openly want to establish a Christian form of government in which society is ruled by the judicial laws of the Old Testament, and they never tire of telling us America was founded as a theonomy.

[Ford_Prefect]

36. As a group who insist on perfect truths they have none to offer. One of the most profound truths is that America

was founded to deny religious absolutism any part in ruling the country or making laws. The founders had seen 1st hand the damage done to European life by religious governance and religious excess. They specifically excluded religion from ruling every day life and government operation in the FIRST AMENDMENT.

[NoMoreRepugs]

22. I'm thinking after reading all of the above that all opinions expressed here are correct and the tent

of Trump is expanding to include em’ all.

[alfredo]

23. I remember a person at that the Christian Coalition

Boasting that they will “bring America to its knees.” Not sure if that was a promise or a threat.

[EverHopeful]

24. Highly recommend Bandy X. Lee's book

Trump's Mind, America's Soul. She offers such insight into what we're dealing with that I feel far less flummoxed by their behavior (and even more aware of how much work we have ahead of us).

Also very highly recommend The Authoritarians by Bob Altemeyer. The free ebook, written in 2006, plus "articles updating matters according to events of the time," are available at:

https://theauthoritarians.org/

(Hope that link works, didn't want to lose my comment trying to copy and paste the link.)

[alfredo]

45. John Dean leaned heavily

On Altemeyer’s book when writing “Conservatives Without Conscience.” It was really good.

[John1956PA]

27. Willful ignorance and believing everything purveyed by Fox.

Fox News and Newsmax have 45's fans convinced that the condition of our country has deteriorated precipitously since he left office.

[Charging Triceratops]

33. Take away that over-propagandized immigration issue

... and the GOPigs have nothing! Polling yesterday in Iowa indicated THAT was the main issue on their minds.

[moondust]

38. MAWA

Make America White Again

The racist-sexist backlash continues. It's their religion now and he's their Orange Jesus.

[shrike3]

39. People have no idea how government works. And they don't want to know.

They don't know what the president does, they don't know what Congress does. They don't know how the judiciary works. Which is why they'll be drawn to a candidate who is "fun."