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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums55,000 fanatic Republicans vote Trump and the media acts like he's already been inaugurated
As of December, 2023, there were 1.5 million actively registered voters in the state of Iowa. Just over 3% of them vote for Trump in the Iowa caucuses, and CNNs panel was talking about his runaway victory.
Nikki Haley? According to CNN, she poured about $30 million into Iowa to get just over 20,000 votes. Thats about $1500 per vote. At that level (elevated, granted, but indulge me here), winning a meaningless second place in the November general election would cost her $100 billion, and she has a few primaries to go after this one to even get that far. You heard it here first, my friends: she isnt going to raise even 3% of that.
And DeSantis was crowing about his upset victory of getting 1500 more votes than Haley, when they barely spilt 41,000 votes between the two of them.
Iowa had dreadful weather, so, only the fanatic faithful came out, and even then, they constituted less than a fifth of active Iowa Republican voters.
In 2012, Santorum won the Iowa Republican caucuses. In 2016, it was Ted Cruz. Let the media blow this up if they think it will impress their advertisers, but so far, Im reading less into this result than Im reading into the detergent commercials that kept interrupting the pundits useless chatter. It didnt take me long to exercise my option to switch to some historical documentary, and then turn the TV off altogether.
JohnSJ
(98,883 posts)Bloomberg commentators are pushing that theme
Jilly_in_VA
(14,470 posts)It's a freaking coronation and I for one am already sick of it! What happens when he's convicted at one of his trials, as he almost surely will be, even though now they're trying to say, oh well, Fani Willis is having a "thing" with her prosecuting attorney?It might be the E. Jean Carroll trial that does him in after all. Or maybe he'll have a stroke or a heart attack or something else will take him out. Then what, redhatters? Then what? He ain't gonna rise from the dead and save you.
DFW
(60,313 posts)Then some serious Republicans might enter the race, like Charlie Baker or Larry Hogan.
But the clock is ticking, and so far, control of the asylum still rests firmly in the hands of the inmates.
JohnSJ
(98,883 posts)are excruciatingly slow.
DFW
(60,313 posts)With his physique and diet, he could drop like a rock and become a vegetable at any given moment.
This is nothing even sympathetic judges can delay. If his biology says "now," then no plea-bargaining or bribing of a judge will delay his fate.
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JohnSJ
(98,883 posts)DFW
(60,313 posts)But I have known far too many stroke victims who were perfectly normally functioning humans one second and vegetables the next to fully discount the possibility, especially for one under as much pressure as he currently is.
3Hotdogs
(15,438 posts)Biden is not a popular candidate. Kamala isn't that popular either. Biden's chances of winning are good because the opponent is a perceived by many as being a complete and utter asshole.
Nikki (I know its hard to believe) is considered sane.
I believe that an election with other than Trump v Biden will end up with a Republican president.
DFW
(60,313 posts)She is not the brightest star in the constellation, although neither was W, and he still got in.
On the other hand, she has made some incredibly stupid statements, and will make more. She will provide us with more ammunition than we need in case she does get the nomination, which I doubt. DeSantis is almost as offensive as Trump, and thus probably a longer shot for their nomination than Haley, no matter what happened in Iowa.
I believe that this is till Biden's to lose unless the Republicans ditch their extremists and nominate someone serious like Larry Hogan, Chris Sununu or Charlie Baker. All three have so far said, "not interested," and I believe them all. That, in itself, should tell us a few things. I agree that Harris, though improving, has not proven to be much of an asset, and I continue to believe that Biden was talked into her over his first choice, but that is now ancient history. It is now Harris's job to be as much as asset to Biden's re-election as she possibly can, and if she does not wake up every day asking, "what can I do to help?" then she is a liability and not an asset.
C_U_L8R
(49,434 posts)The numbers are not in magats' favor
Consider me underwhelmed.
Simeon Salus
(1,643 posts)If Clark were a candidate last night, she'd have been viable this morning. And for better reasons.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/16/sport/iowa-basketball-ncaa-attendance-record-spt-intl/index.html#:~:text=A%2021%2Dyear%20attendance%20record,Demons%20in%20an%20exhibition%20game.
NorCalBlue
(53 posts)And I appreciate the 2012 and 2016 references for some perspective.
Fiendish Thingy
(23,463 posts)They are incapable of larger context or deeper thinking.
PortTack
(35,820 posts)shrike3
(5,370 posts)But then I didn't get all the flurry over Haley: she had no chance to beat Trump. No chance. It's been obvious since the beginning Trump's going to be the nominee. Why I don't watch cable news and haven't in years.
republianmushroom
(22,435 posts)Model35mech
(2,047 posts)Only those who are registered Republicans can participate. THAT number is about 594,000.
It has been possible in the past for people who aren't previously registered to register at the caucus, but I don't know where that rule stands at present.
But the basic message of your post is still true. A fraction of Iowa republicans participated. It was a small enough number that a relatively small number of evanginationalists, compared to the Iowa population in general, could seriously bias the outcome.
Those who run against Republicans need to know that they must have an argument for why imposting radical fundamentalist based law on the US population is a terrible idea
Cha
(319,586 posts)ago.
CBHagman
(17,509 posts)It looks more and more as though The Washington Post has its heart set on getting Trump back in the White House. They even ran another image of Trump with a raised fist (a favorite of theirs).
vercetti2021
(10,481 posts)Bottom line. Thing is I've seen so many MAGAts trying to spin his low win into something its not and its fucking pathetic. Like oh it was the weather! Oh he isn't an incumbent! Its like...dudes and dudettes...49% don't want him, he got 2.7% of the entire state of Iowa...your man has bottomed out. Polls say he is ahead by 1%. He's boned.
wishstar
(5,831 posts)Dump's showing isn't that impressive for a former Pres since means that almost half of caucus goers wanted someone else.
All the hoopla over Haley and Desantis seems a waste of time since by splitting the anti-Trumpers, Dump will win the nomination easily but they are just staying in the race on the off chance that some unforeseen event happens to him.