'Make him stop': Jury told Trump defamed E. Jean Carroll with '22 posts just today'

[Tom of Temecula]

Shawn Crowley, an attorney for E. Jean Carroll, urged a jury to fine Donald Trump enough money so that he would never defame her client again. During opening remarks in Trump's second defamation trial brought by E. Jean Carroll, Crowley explained how Trump sexually assaulted the writer in 1996. As then-president, Trump denied the claim. He was later found to have defamed Carroll.

"He was President, he used the world's biggest microphone against Ms. Carroll. He told lies. That's already been decided," Crowley said, according to a transcript provided by Matthew Russell Lee of Inner City Press. Trump's goal was "to humiliate her and to destroy her reputation," she added, according to Politico reporter Erica Orden. "Everything he said was a lie."

Crowley noted that Trump has continued to post about Carroll on social media — including during the trial which started Tuesday. "How much money will it take to make him stop?" Crowley asked. "Because he has not stopped."

"He sat in this courthouse — you saw him — [and] while he was sitting here, he posted more defamatory statements," she added. "More lies about Ms. Carroll & this case. By our last [count], 22 posts just today. Think about that when you consider how much money it will take to get him to stop."

https://www.rawstory.com/trump-e-jean-carroll-social-media/

[Lonestarblue]

1. Perhaps a million dollars for every defamatory post and comment he has made about her.

I’m sure the amount would add up quickly.

[TSExile]

3. I still stand by my prediction...

...that he will owe her a billion dollars when this is all said and done.

[ArkansasDemocrat1]

14. PLEAS, ALMIGHTY FLYING CEILING SPAGHETTI CAT MONSTER! Please, pleeeease make this happen!

[moonshinegnomie]

53. replace million with billion

[TSExile]

2. Can't they jail him for contempt of court - even in civil court?

If not - seize T**** Tower and hold it as collateral, or something.

[Voltaire2]

9. Her legal team will be more than happy

to sue him again. Shithead is going to be writing a lot of large checks.

[Delmette2.0]

26. Two trials done only 61 more to go,

To break his record on the number of trials he had lost in one subject.

(Stolen election trials 62)

[OMGWTF]

30. Randi Rhodes said that Shitler only owns his apartment and the retail space at Trump Tower.

[orleans]

36. (randi... how's that girl doing? i haven't listened or heard her in years. remember

she moved out of country or something? god, i loved her -- so did my mom! -- i used to type up little transcripts of excerpts from her show and post them on du. good times)

how do you listen to her or watch her? when is her show on?
is it on public airwaves or is it a monthly fee?

just wondering; thought i'd ask in case you know.

[mackdaddy]

46. She is on YT and on free speech Tv from 3 to 5pm Eastern weekdays.

You can sign up and get daily 'homework' of notes used on her show.

[BeyondGeography]

4. This is all so fucking dark

nt

[Tansy_Gold]

13. And scary

nt

[mobeau69]

52. Just think if he's re-elected. OMG!

[Ocelot II]

5. Love the cartoon!

[AllaN01Bear]

6. he has never stopped . daddy would fix it . hed outspend , out live and so on. i will out live the so and so.

[AllaN01Bear]

7. 2024 maga . oxygen destroyer.

[gratuitous]

8. Next up, defendant moves to dismiss the jurors as they witnessed him defaming the plaintiff

Chutzpah on a par with the kid who murders his parents then asks for leniency from the court because he's an orphan.

[MyOwnPeace]

47. Just wondering........

Does it scare you to know that you are now thinking like he does?

[Hermit-The-Prog]

10. How many MAGAts on the jury?

All that's left of the GOP is MAGA shit.
GOP is the new CCCP -- Corruption, Cowardice, Chaos, Putin.

[Kaleva]

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[Hermit-The-Prog]

19. I'm aware of that, but thank you.

[Kaleva]

40. I am wrong so I'm going to delete my post

Jury decisions in Federal civil court have to be unanimous

[Hermit-The-Prog]

41. Whoa! Rule 48 ...

https://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcp/rule_48

Rule 48. Number of Jurors; Verdict; Polling
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(a) Number of Jurors. A jury must begin with at least 6 and no more than 12 members, and each juror must participate in the verdict unless excused under Rule 47(c).

(b) Verdict. Unless the parties stipulate otherwise, the verdict must be unanimous and must be returned by a jury of at least 6 members.

(c) Polling. After a verdict is returned but before the jury is discharged, the court must on a party's request, or may on its own, poll the jurors individually. If the poll reveals a lack of unanimity or lack of assent by the number of jurors that the parties stipulated to, the court may direct the jury to deliberate further or may order a new trial.

[Jarqui]

22. The first civil case jury was 9-0 - they had to be unanimous

https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/09/politics/carroll-trump-jury-deliberations/index.html

To prove her defamation claim, the jury had to find that Carroll’s legal team proved by the preponderance of the evidence that Trump knew it was false when he published the statement about Carroll last year and knowingly exposed her to public ridicule. They also had to determine that she proved by clear and convincing evidence that the statement was false, and that Trump made the statement with actual malice.

Both the preponderance of the evidence standard and the clear and convincing evidence standard are not as high a standard as proof beyond a reasonable doubt, which is used in criminal cases. Clear and convincing evidence is higher than preponderance of the evidence, which means more likely than not. Clear and convincing evidence leaves no substantial doubt in the juror’s mind and establishes that the proposition is highly probable.

The jury had to be unanimous to reach a verdict but could have reached a different verdict on each of the two claims – battery and defamation.

[Kaleva]

39. You are correct. I am wrong

Federal civil trials have to be unanimous but state civil trials do not

[Hermit-The-Prog]

42. I thought it was the same for federal as state, too.

[Jarqui]

43. In NY State civil case, I believe 5 of 6 jurors must agree on a verdict ..nt

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

50. Not a majority

Civil cases don't require a unanimous jury verdict, only a majority. In NYS, it's 5/6ths of the jury. If 12 are on this case, then it means it takes 10 for a decision.

Since it's New York, I doubt 3 of those jurors will side with the Tangerine Titty Baby.

[flying_wahini]

11. T cannot stand anybody telling him what to do. He just digs in and does it more.

It will be his final downfall. He just can’t shut his trap.

Too bad he’s not into self immolation.

[The Magistrate]

12. This Could Turn Into A Weekly Series, Sir

She could file suit after suit, one for each fresh bout of defamation....

[ArkansasDemocrat1]

16. Sir, Sir...I would read this series with tears in my eyes many people say

[Evolve Dammit]

15. "Deplorable" was understated and generous.

[mnmoderatedem]

17. Every time I think he can't get more moronic he proves me wrong

the very thing he is being sued for, he keeps doing it, in full view of the judge.

Yeah, he should be president.

[jmowreader]

20. Mr. Crowley, we need to make one thing perfectly clear

The amount of money necessary to make him stop doesn't exist in the world.

If Donald Trump were a petty criminal - instead of the very high-level career criminal he really is - he'd be the kind of guy who got sentenced to 10 years in jail for robbing gas stations then when the judge gave him two weeks to get his affairs in order he'd spend those two weeks robbing more gas stations. Nothing, outside of putting him in prison, is going to stop the crap he is doing. Trump isn't wired for pro-social behavior.

[Trueblue1968]

32. Lock him up...... Put Donnie SHITTY Pants in jail fot 22 years. One year for every tweet

[LiberalLovinLug]

49. Yup. He's not worried about the monetary costs.

His cult will more than fill his coffers. To pay all his penalties and legal costs, and a lot left over to re-plate his gold toilet etc.

By rights he should be jailed by now for all his infractions. But everyone is afraid of Donald fucking Trump.

[jgmiller]

21. No amount will stop him

He doesn't care about how much is in his bank accounts since he lives off the money he can borrow, steal or beg his followers for. It's just something that he uses to keep going and he knows he can always get more. His whole life has shown him that there is always a sucker that will pay for whatever he wants. This trial is the same, he will use it to raise money to pay more lawyers to drag on the appeals forever and he will never pay her a dime. He is a master at manipulating the system and it's depressing. That's why the only good punishment for him is jail or a complete abandonment of all of his followers. Unfortunately the later will never happen.

[triron]

24. Our justice system is inadequate to the task

And he knows it.

[MiHale]

44. You're absolutely correct...

He monetized the Presidency for freaks sake and didn’t even try to hide it. Well, for the most part.

[Arazi]

23. Habba re-victimizing E Jean Carroll by saying she just craves attention

And she’s only doing this to amplify her personal brand and to get in with the lefty liberal elite.

It’s a disgusting defense and I hope jurors smash it with many million$ more awarded to E Jean Carroll.

Infuriating

[TSExile]

28. SHE craves attention???

It's the ogre who can't keep his frigging mouth shut. If he had, they wouldn't be having a trial now. IDIOTS!!

[sop]

25. Trump has been defiantly incorrigible his entire life,

maybe another ten million dollars in damages, on top of the five he already owes Carroll, might get him to stop defaming her.

[getagrip_already]

29. Add a zero and you are close....

Rudy got hit for $150M. Stinky should be good for more.....

[LW1977]

27. Carroll Tower has a nice ring to it.,

[et tu]

33. oooooh

that would be sweet karma~

[Johonny]

31. Perhaps a lean on his hotel. Claim assets

Until it hurts.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

34. Shut the Fuck up, Donnie!

[no_hypocrisy]

35. Aw gee! Does that mean a *third* defamation trial???

[slightlv]

37. No, I'd say add a few more 0's to the amount...

like go from millions to billions, and make him post it as a surety bond to the court.... one he can't weasel out of on pain of jail. That way, E. Jean can be assured of getting her money.

[birdographer]

38. Nothing will make this monster stop

aside from a fortuitous fall out of a window, a massive stroke or heart attack, or some ambitious secret service agent and some ground up foxglove. WHY doesn't our justice system DO SOMETHING?

[Ray Bruns]

45. "How much money will it take to make him stop?"

Depends on how much he can squeeze out of the rubes who send him money.

You don't really believe Donny is going to cough up that cash?

[SouthernDem4ever]

48. That's what I think. He hasn't paid anyone yet, so we don't know

and it seems like we'll never know the way it's going.

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

51. Even they will get tapped out, eventually

They don't have enough assets to keep paying his legal bills and his fines and his settlements and his lost lawsuits, too. Not forever. The people upchucking money to him don't have limitless means. Eventually, they'll either have to make hard choices between food on the table or paying him...or they'll die off. Or get tired of giving so much and getting so little in return.

Losing in 2024 will cut the stream off significantly. That would probably be the straw that breaks them. One stolen election, yeah, they could believe that. But two starts reeking of crying wolf.