Do we have two Presidents?

[Aviation Pro]

Because it certainly seems like Motherfucker is pretending to be one with his campaign against immigration reform and his lobbying of his MAGAt cult base in the House. Sounds like a textbook example of violating the Sedition Act of 1918.

Paging Killa Smith.

[Ferrets are Cool]

1. I admit to having similar thoughts.

[gab13by13]

2. Time Matters

Jack Smith needs to get Trump to trial pre-election.

Trump sitting in a courtroom for 6-7 hours a day for 3 or 4 months will put a big drag on his presidenting.

[Lonestarblue]

6. The courts are helping Trump delay.

The SC could have settled the immunity claim in about 10 minutes because it obviously has no merit. They have certainly jumped into matters in the past whenever they wished. The MAGA cabal on the court is probably now spending their time trying to figure out how to give Trump immunity without setting a precedent for Biden and other presidents to have immunity.

Unless Smith can pry the documents case out of Cannon’s hands for deliberate obstruction, that case won’t come to trial at all this year. And if the immunity appeal is not resolved by the full circuit court, Trump will demand the full court do so and only then will it go to the Supreme Court. The March trial date is looking very iffy.

[dchill]

18. The courts *and the media* are helping Trump delay.

[louis-t]

24. How to give him immunity without giving Biden the same?

Simple. They sunset it. President of the U.S. will have complete immunity until Jan. 20, 2021.

[KS Toronado]

15. Sure hope Jack Smith does get him to trial pre-election

But can he make Тяцмp show up every day and keep him off the campaign trail?

[gab13by13]

27. Absolutely, he will be required to show up every day.

[spanone]

3. trmp is the de facto Speaker of the House

Johnson said he talks to him regularly

Link to tweet

?s=20

[Hugin]

4. Lately I've been considering the massive shadow government...

Trump has been allowed to run over the last three and a half years. It is obvious that he is doing so on a wide range of policy from foreign relations, immigration, to the economy.

It does appear that this shadow government has the solid backing of foreign and domestic powers that are at odds with the best interests of the legitimate United States.

The thing this interference has in common is that it is structured with only one goal. To “make Joe Biden look bad”.

I will admit that running a shadow government is largely untested legal territory. The thing that most, in my belief, makes it highly illegal is that Trump’s shadow government does not stand on its own and instead co-opts the veneer of representing a de-facto alternative US Government. In other words, fraud. As usual.

Original posting here: https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=18606069

(It’s clear that the coup continues )

[mwooldri]

7. IMO there isn't anything wrong with a shadow cabinet.

Westminster has had it for decades.

The trouble is that the US is not a proper parliamentary system (has some aspects, but more separation of powers re executive and legislative responsibilities than Westminster) and does not have anything like "His/Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition". One could argue that DJT isn't exactly behaving like he is loyal to America (the Constitution etc) but that's beyond the scope of my comment.

Absent a formal structure, any opposition should IMO be organized at the party level and the party should make available a spokesperson for X. However with DJT seems like he wants to occupy all the posts.

In essence shadow government OK, as long as it's transparent and organized properly. Absent transparency and organization... Definitely shady.

[Hugin]

13. That's interesting and I wasn't aware of...

Such an organization.

As you point out, the difference being that in this example, they are open about being an alternative and I guess to some extent remain within the hierarchy. So there is a checks and balances in place.

[jaxexpat]

14. There is one government. It is composed of elected an constitutionally appointed officers.

Amy other government is a fucking fraud and it's time to put the question to rest. There are treason plotters in the house and senate and treasonous actors in the USSC. These usurper must be removed or we'll have nothing left to vote for except maybe barracks leader of the Stalag we're assigned.

[2naSalit]

8. It was clear to me...

Right after Biden took office that there was a shadow operation in place and all the dirty fuckers that we all despise are the officers in that effort. I recall seeing meadows on some fox show where he openly admitted there was a shadow operation and they were planning their comeback and trying to work international affairs outside the official channels.

The coup continues indeed. They think they have it made and are acting as though they are just waiting out the clock. If Garland is not watching and acting on this with investigation and follow through, he is one of them.

[ecstatic]

11. "If Garland is not watching and acting on this..."

He's not.

[ecstatic]

10. He's not governing, he's sabotaging

Or attempting to sabotage. You're right, it is a continuation of the coup.

I wish his supporters would look more closely at the character of someone who wishes for his own country to fail. Of course, they're trash as well so....

[NCDem47]

5. And wall-to-F'n-wall Trump coverage

Biden who?? Unless...there's some alleged screw-up or some rando poll showing him in the basement.

It's maddening, and I hate it. Yes, hate is a strong word.

[Liberal In Texas]

9. He's running a Shadow Government with respect to the repubs in the House.

He is issuing orders and they are slavishly doing his bidding.

The idea isn't to do the countries business, it's to hurt President Biden, to blame what they do on him.

[karynnj]

21. Even without Trump, the House is trying to move the country in the opposite direction from Biden

This is not that far from normal when a house of Congress is controlled by the opposite party. However, there has always been more awareness that while you can stop somethings you don't want, you can't set the agenda when you don't have either the Presidency or the Senate.

Here, they ultimately need to pass at least CRs to fund the government. They can block funding to Israel and Ukraine, but they have to know that comes with a political price. The border is where they can not do all the things they want. Without legislation, they do not get everything, they get nothing. It shows they want the issue, not making things better.

[Johonny]

12. I just wish the current president got equal time

Holy crap media stop showing this demented mother fucker's every brain fart.

[oldmanlynn]

16. Our system in America is to afraid to penalize Trump

They are so worried about the Violence and potential civil war/ unrest that they dont come down hard on trump.

I have a feeling we are all going to have to show up at polls and get more active.

[meow2u3]

17. Who elected Trump Speaker of the House?

Trump is not a current elected official, so he has no right to interfere in legislative activity. Congress does not have to obey the orders of a criminal interfering with government activity.

The Special Counsel's Office needs to slap a superseding indictment for insurrection on Trump and charge the MAGAts in Congress with rebellion/insurrection.

[TwilightZone]

26. "he has no right to interfere in legislative activity"

Everyone has the right to lobby Congress. There's a zillion-dollar industry solely dedicated to it. Technically, it's regulated by Congress, but that's not going to stop Trump - nor are they going to stop Trump.

[karynnj]

20. Any US citizen can lobby Congress

Consider that people could lobby legislators over the Trump Era repeal ACA efforts.

Here, the problem is WHAT he is lobbying for. The Democrats, once the Senate passes a bill, need to make sure the provisions are known. I hope the Senare Republicans make the case that this bill, while not doing everything they want, contains many things they are for. We need to control more of the narrative.

Every piece that deals with the border, counter the Democrats favor an open borders meme. It is the House Republicans preventing some action.

[ananda]

22. Well, he's sure controlling Congress.

...

[Bernardo de La Paz]

23. No. Yes. No.

No, only President Biden.

Yes he is campaigning and lobbying. Neither are inherently Presidential.

No, leading a party and lobbying are not seditious.

[republianmushroom]

25. We have one president and one criminal wannabe.

[cilla4progress]

28. I am afraid so!

Basically running a shadow government!

How much worse can it get?!

[cayugafalls]

29. Nope. Only one. The other is an orange smear that you can't rub off the screen...nt

[tritsofme]

30. This is silly. It's not "sedition" to lobby Congress for or against legislation.