Alec Baldwin indicted for involuntary manslaughter.

[mobeau69]

CNN

[Scrivener7]

1. Whoa.

[Faux pas]

2. He's

been effing around for a long time, now it's time for him to find out.

[MyNameIsJonas]

7. What does this even mean?

[Towlie]

72. "Involuntary manslaughter" means guilty of something that wasn't your fault.

I guess...

[Oneironaut]

21. Yep. Massive a-hole.

Couldn’t have happened to a nicer guy.

[brush]

3. Wasn't this dismissed? Now they're taking a second shot at him.

I thought it was the inexperience armorer's fault...but he hired the armorer.

[Renew Deal]

4. I can't imagine they get a conviction

The gun was supposed to have blanks. He was told it had blanks. There werent supposed to be live bullets on the set. There's a question on whether he actually pulled the trigger (but this matters less).

[hlthe2b]

5. Unless they have actual evidence of his official role in all matters involved with the guns--I can't

imagine a jury convicting him either. This is a tragedy. That said, I think it is pretty abysmal if (as I think) they are politicizing this.

[Stinky The Clown]

6. I agree with you

"Retribution"

[former9thward]

12. Who is doing the politicizing?

Everyone involved are Democrats.

[former9thward]

14. Every official involved is an elected Democrat.

Google that.

[hlthe2b]

15. No. I know the history as do others here and I'm not your damned personal researcher.

Back to ignore you go.

[former9thward]

16. I know the history too.

And it does not fit into the comfortable round hole many have created.

[Emile]

23. I googled that and found nothing that backs your claim.

Can you provide a link?

[former9thward]

31. What?

What positions in NM do Republicans hold? What did you google?

He was indicted in Santa Fe County, NM. All Democrats.

https://santafedemocrats.org/elected-officials/

[Emile]

32. Where is the prosecutor in your link?

[former9thward]

35. Prosecutors are not elected.

Do you think Democratic officials are hiring Republican prosecutors to go after Baldwin?

[Emile]

36. So there is no way of knowing the politics of the prosecutor.

[former9thward]

39. I live in the real world.

[Emile]

40. Me too.

[Mosby]

8. Its because he talked to the prosecutors

And said he never pulled the trigger.

Now they have "experts" who fiddled with the gun, changed out parts, inspected bits and pieces and now claim that the trigger must have been pulled because science.

So he's going to trial.

[brush]

9. Weak sauce. The inexperienced armorer should've never bought live rounds to the set...

and gave him a gun with live rounds.

[Kaleva]

11. Nobody should point a gun at another person

It's one of the 4 basic rules of gun safety. Rules so simple that even a child can understand them

There will be people who argue that this was a movie and common sense doesn't apply. The dollar is more important .

I would like to think that everyone here would never point a gun at someone they didn't intend to kill in self defense even if a sizeable paycheck was at risk. I'd like to think that but when reading the posts in the numerous threads about this, I cannot say that with certainty.

[Renew Deal]

28. Except that children don't understand it

Leading to hundreds of shootings a year in the US.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/children-fire-guns-toddlers-unintentional-shootings/

[Kaleva]

42. I wonder how many were taught the safety rules

[Renew Deal]

47. Ah yes, if only toddlers were taught gun safety, none of this would have happened.

[Kaleva]

49. Do you think Baldwin should be held responsible?

Or do you think the idiot with a gun be given a pass?

[edhopper]

37. This again

That is not how it works in the movies. Guns are constantly pointed at people and at the camera, going back over a hundred years with "The Great Train Robbery".
If you think the entire movie industry should change it's way of doing things, fine. But faulting Baldwin for doing something done in almost every Western ever is just silly.

[Kaleva]

41. I fault everybody who handles guns like they aren't dangerous

If you were an actor in a movie or TV show, would you point a gun at someone?

I wouldn't because I know guns are dangerous and even guns that have been checked to be empty are to be handled like they are loaded.

[edhopper]

46. The shot was to point wt the camera.

The director asked for Baldin to point the gun at the camera.
Have you not seen westerns? Pointing guns at people or the camera is in almost every western ever.
If you were an actor in a movie, you would be fired.

[Kaleva]

48. So for money, you'd point a gun at someone?

Or would you refuse to do so,?


I wouldn't because I know guns are dangerous.

[edhopper]

51. If I were in a movie

I would point guns where ever I was told. Because that's how fucking movies work!
Have you ever seen an action movie?

[Kaleva]

53. So for the right price, you'd point a gun at someone

My recommendation is you do some reading on how dangerous guns are. It's just a suggestion.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

55. You clearly don't know how films work.

Actors are handed guns by professional armorers every day and are told that the gun is cold. They point that gun at the camera or another person, do the scene, and nothing bad happens because professionals are involved. In this instance, the armorer did not act like a professional and, because of that, someone died. It isn't the actor's fault. They were handed a gun that the professional told them was safe. Just like every other day in the industry.

[edhopper]

56. Really?

Have you ever seen any action or western movie? Any film noir or police drama. Ever?

It's like asking an actor doing a sex scene. "So for money you would get naked and pretend to have sex."

Do you also think that actors in road chase scenes, who are violating multiple highway laws are somehow being idiots.

My recommendation is you get a passing understanding of how movies are made.

[ripcord]

10. All safety codes, including Hollywood prohibit pointing a gun at someone

[Emile]

18. Huh? They point guns at each other all the time on

movie sets. There should have never been live ammunition on the set.

[Zeitghost]

63. No

The point props at each other all the time. Real guns that fire blanks have different safety rules and protocols and should never be pointed at anyone on or off camera.

[Emile]

64. Single shot guns can fire live rounds or blanks.

It's just a fact.

[Zeitghost]

67. Yes

But prop guns, that should have been used anytime the scene requires the pointing of a gun at someone can not.

[Celerity]

24. really?

you said:

All safety codes, including Hollywood prohibit pointing a gun at someone

[Emile]

25. LOL, blew that bs argument 😂.

[Kaleva]

52. Not really.

We don't know if those were working guns or inert gun replicas

[Kaleva]

50. Are those working guns?

Guns capable of firing blanks or live rounds?

[Emile]

58. Almost all gun can shoot blanks and live rounds.

[Zeitghost]

61. Not the prop guns

That should be used for those kinds of shots.

[Emile]

62. Single shot pistols used in Westerns can shoot both

live or blanks.

[Zeitghost]

65. I don't think you understand my point

The "guns" used to film scenes where they are pointed directly at people are not (or in this case should not have been) real guns, they are fake props incapable of firing anything.

[Zeitghost]

66. You do understand

That none of those are actually guns right? They are fake.

The real suns used on set have much different safety protocols that have been set up to avoid situations just like this.

[Celerity]

68. Many times guns capable of killing if loaded with live rounds and not blanks, are used.

Alec Baldwin can attest to that.

[Shermann]

26. ORLY?

[Renew Deal]

29. Do you have a link to a Hollywood safety code for gun use?

[ripcord]

43. Here you go

https://www.csatf.org/01_safety_bltn_firearms/

[edhopper]

38. Could you point to these so called codes

that have never been followed ever.

[pinkstarburst]

44. B.S. They point guns at each other all the time on movie sets.

Have you ever been to the movies?

[ripcord]

45. Obviously you dont understand movie magic

Those guns they are pointing are prop guns that aren't functional and can't be made to accept a round. I swear I question the intelligence of some of these posts, I posted the movies firearms safety code a little further up, you should educate yourself .

[Celerity]

54. You used no limiting or qualifying terms (ie prop, non-functional, etc) in your initial reply.

You said:

All safety codes, including Hollywood prohibit pointing a gun at someone

We responded to that statement, not some ex post facto modified one.

[ripcord]

59. Actually they aren't modified but are built not to fire just for movies

It is how companies that care about safety do it.

[Zeitghost]

69. A prop gun is not a gun

It's a piece of plastic and metal made to look like a gun so that you can safely point them at people on movie sets. The statement needed no qualifications.

[Celerity]

70. Non sequitur. The word 'prop' was not used by the poster I initially replied replied to.

They made a broad and simple statement:

All safety codes, including Hollywood prohibit pointing a gun at someone

Which is else I replied to.

My replies and logic are sound.

You are trying to inject something ex post facto that was not mentioned by them in their post I replied to and is not germane to my replies.

Sorry, but I am done here. I am taking a hard pass on the wind-up merchanting.

[Zeitghost]

71. You're grasping at straws here

If someone said, "you need to be 16 and have a license to drive a car", posting pictures of kids in a Powerwheels toy is not a convincing counter argument.

Context is everything, it was not a prop that killed the Ms. Hutchins, it was a firearm. So it's logical to conclude any discussions revolving the use of guns on movie sets would not include props that are incapable of causing harm.

[Generic Brad]

30. Now they are claiming he pulled the trigger

The gun was tested repeatedly until it broke. The ballistic expert that tested it asserts that in all the tests the gun never misfired once.

[LisaL]

33. Gun broke during testing a long time ago.

They got new parts for it, re-assembled it and started testing it again.
So the so-called forensic evidence sounds like a complete garbage, since the weapon being tested is not in the original condition.

[dsc]

17. I honestly felt his role as producer would lead to him being charged if he were to be charged

It makes no sense to me that he would be responsible if he was told the gun had blanks and the gun didn't due to the inepitude of someone else. But it does make sense if he is the reason an inept person was hired in the first place. If he is being charged for his behavior as an actor, I can't see a conviction happening.

[LisaL]

19. He was one of many producers.

I don't believe he was even in charge of hiring.

[dsc]

20. I honestly don't know one way or the other

I know producer credit can mean lots of things. He may have funded the film, he may have been given producer credit so he would charge less to be in the film, he may have been in charge of hiring and firing. If it were the last, then I could well see a charge given how badly that set was run. But I don't see how he as an actor could be charged.

[LisaL]

34. I do not think he was in charge of hiring.

He was a movie lead with a producer credit.

[SYFROYH]

57. I mostly agree, but he did decide to point the gun at a person and thumb the hammer back.

That's his actual testimony.

As someone who shoots guns, I wouldn't even do that if I personally checked the cylinder and directly knew the gun was unloaded. I lot of people get shot when someone thought their gun was unloaded.

But I agree that the armorer, Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, is really the one who is responsible.

[Lunabell]

27. Oh, good god!!

How was he supposed to prevent this? This is so effed up and so many ways. The person who was responsible for loading the "blank" and handing it to Baldwin is the one responsible. I smell bullshit.

[LeftRightLeft]

60. Had this been Wesley Snipes

Same exact facts.

Who here believes he wouldn't have been serving time already?