Donald Trump has a big problem ahead

[babylonsister]

Donald Trump has a big problem ahead
A whole swath of GOP voters appears firmly committed to not voting for Trump in November.
By Sam Stein and Natalie Allison
01/23/2024 05:00 AM EST


Donald Trump has a problem no matter what happens in New Hampshire on Tuesday night: There’s a whole swath of the Republican electorate and a good chunk of independents who appear firmly committed to not voting for him in November if he becomes the nominee.

It’s an issue that became starkly apparent in polling ahead of the Iowa caucuses, when an NBC News/Des Moines Register/Mediacom poll of voters in that state found that fully 43 percent of Nikki Haley supporters said they would back President Joe Biden over Trump. And it’s a dynamic that has been on vivid display as the campaign shifted this week to New Hampshire.

“I can’t vote for Trump. He’s a crook. He’s too corrupt,” said Scott Simeone, 64, an independent voter from Amherst, who backed Trump in 2016 and 2020. “I voted for him, and I didn’t realize he’s as corrupt as he is.”

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https://www.politico.com/news/2024/01/23/trump-moderate-republicans-problem-00137112

[PCIntern]

1. Yes. Exactly what I've been saying.

[spanone]

2. K&R

[bucolic_frolic]

3. Shhhhhh! Don't tell anyone /nt

[Emile]

4. It's all a liberal plot to get them to vote for

someone other than Trump. At least that's what they think, lol.

[Ohioboy]

59. Yeah, those Liberals and their democracy...

[thomski64]

5. ...yes, it's a Horse Race..

...and now a word from some patented new drug..

[lastlib]

51. (...with a name that has no English-language equivalent.......) n/t

[Shermann]

52. That's absurd

There are no patented new drugs. They just refresh patents on reformulated old drugs. Most of the development costs that don't go to the attorneys just go into writing catchy ad jingles.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

55. This month's miracle drug is next month's law firm ad.

Have you or one of you loved ones grown extra appendages or died after taking Xzrgrbechic? You may be entitled to compensation!

[C_U_L8R]

6. And he's not winning over new voters either.

I'm just hoping he takes the rest of the GOP down with him when we GOTV.

[speak easy]

17. 'he's not winning over new voters either'

and some of his older 2020 voters are dead.

[LiberalFighter]

26. Yes. About five million will be dead by November.

That doesn't include the ones died from Covid.

[ArkansasDemocrat1]

40. He had 73 million

73 - 5 is 68 million, add a mil for stupid people and he may not hit 70 mil in Nov.

[LiberalFighter]

44. I expect he will have ten million fewer voting for him or lose by that much.

[OAITW r.2.0]

34. He can take full credit for that.

When Covid hit, it showed up first in densely populated urban centers....Democratic strongholds. Trump's response was to slow walk a real attempt to deal with the problem. Later, he downplayed vaccines and suggested alternatives. His voters followed his lead. Oh well.

[DENVERPOPS]

46. I recall

when later, they changed their minds overnight about people getting vaccinated. Someone pointed out to them that the un-vaccinated Republican voters were dying in much larger numbers than Dems. Abbott, DeSantis, Trump suddenly stopped the anti-vax rhetoric they had been spouting for months and months.....LOL

[brush]

54. And on cruise ships Calif. he wouldn't let dock. Then he put Kushner in charge.

Disaster soon followed, as it did whenever Kushner was in charge.

[SlimJimmy]

58. I voluntarily received two Covid shots, and a booster.

Then, as an added bonus, I also got Covid. And it was severe enough to put me in the hospital for a week.

[AllyCat]

64. Jeez, terrible. Glad you got vaccinated or you

Possibly would not be with us. There is a guy on threads who explains why some vaccines are lifelong immunity and some, like those for respiratory diseases like Covid just don’t prevent spread and people still get the disease.

https://www.threads.net/@michaelminalab?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

[SlimJimmy]

65. I was in the hospital for a week. I'm trying to think of

it being much worse than that. I suppose it could have been.

[AllyCat]

66. Yeah, you really got it bad. So sorry that happened.

Hope you are feeling better now!

[SunSeeker]

62. Yup, my Trumper father-in-law, who died 2 years ago.

Trump's campaign relentlessly keeps trying to get money from my father-in-law's widow, but she's not budging. The last donation they got was right before my father-in-law died.

[edisdead]

7. Never, EVER, believe republicans

I don’t care what that poll said. NEVER EVER EVER EVER believe what they say. They ALWAYS fall in line.

[awesomerwb1]

29. Yep. Totally agree.

[LiberalFighter]

37. Regardless of a person's political affiliation...

They don't all fall in the same category.

If they were, House Republicans would not be trying to oust their own Speaker again.

If you looked at govtrack you would see there is a wide range of views. Just within 435 members in the House.

The same with voters. The percentage of those voting in the primaries is low. Only about twenty percent of eligible voters vote in primaries. Even those are not all Democrats or Republicans. Those not voting in primaries still have their hard core supporters. But there is a wider range of groups that are more likely to peel off from anything that is crazy.

[Diamond_Dog]

8. This guy voted for Dump in 2020

Not realizing how corrupt he was.

Not the brightest bulb, is he.

[CrispyQ]

15. Or willfully ignorant.

In a way, that's more sad. I have family members who fall into this category. And now, I think they don't want to admit they were duped. Hopefully they just won't vote.

[LiberalFighter]

18. Back then he wasn't facing 91 endictments.

He had not tried to overthrow the government.

He wasn't saying stupid dementia type stuff.

He hadn't stolen classified documents.

He demeans veterans and the fallen.

And much more.

There are some that don't care.

And some won't tolerate his crap. Based on responses of those interviewed. He will lose votes in November.

[dchill]

19. Evidently, a certain amount of corruption is OK.

Besides, both sides do it. Just look at that Biden Crime Family! (Gag) I really have no use for any Republicans, at this point.

[Conjuay]

9. Perhaps it is 'native New York cynicism',

But I figured out he was a bastard and a mobster back in the eighties.

I can’t imagine ANYONE foolish enough to fall for his bullshit the day he stepped off that escalator, let alone vote for him TWICE!

BTW, everyone overlooks the fact that he was/is a gangster.
If this was the Prohibition, he would be the guy telling his buddies where to hold violin lessons.

But make no mistake, he IS A MOBSTER.

His gang have been given gavels, not machine guns.





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[babylonsister]

10. I think Fanni Willis in GA

has had his number for awhile. I thought her bringing him up on RICO charges so apt!

[Botany]

32. The RICO charges are brilliant because they bring in mandatory 5 year prison terms and so ...

….. all those republican dirt bags in Georgia who signed their names to the phony electoral
ballots have a choice of flipping on Trump and Meadows and telling Fani and friends the
truth and or testifying or doing @ least 4 years (80% minimum) in a lock up.

I believe that some have already flipped including a republican county or state chairman.

[oldsoftie]

47. But unfortunately THAT case is in trouble due to her carelessness.

This issue with her "boyfriend" or whatever he is, is making her removal from the case very possible. And that would likely push it to after election day.
And before you tear me a new one, just go read all the facts of THAT case.

[Vogon_Glory]

11. I can hope that enough Republican voters remember

that they believe in truth and common decency and strike a blow for a better future for themselves and their children by blanking the presidential ballot if they can’t bring themselves to vote for an honorable, church-going Democrat.

[BootinUp]

12. Sure, but that never stopped the Trump train before.

[Vogon_Glory]

16. If the Trump train hits rough track or sheds

some cars, that might better out odds.

I like the thought of the Good Guys flipping a red state or two we hadn’t taken in years.

[KS Toronado]

13. Hope Jack Smith doesn't put him in jail before the election

He's a guaranteed loser for the repug party come election time.

[Kid Berwyn]

14. Good people know MAGA means NAZI

There are a lot of good people.

And they’re on one side.

[limbicnuminousity]

20. Do they care about crookedness and corruption, really?

Or is it that he said the quiet part out loud one too many times and it's now embarrassing them?

[ananda]

21. I know a bunch of them.

One said I'd rather vote for a squirrel rather than Trump
after what he did.

[LiberalFighter]

22. Many different reasons they won't vote for Trump this time.

And they will add up.

[pecosbob]

23. Those rat-f*ckers No Labels realized this way back.

They'll do their best to help Trump in any way they can.

[Rocknation]

24. Correction: Trump has an even BIGGER problem ahead

Last edited Tue Jan 23, 2024, 12:41 PM - Edit history (1)

Being outvoted by independents and "rebellious" Republicans/conservatives is the reason why he didn't win in 2020. Throw in another generation's worth of young voters, plus women outraged by the overturning of Roe vs. Wade, and Duh Don is already well on his way to losing the popular vote for the THIRD consecutive time.


Rocknation

[Blue Owl]

25. He can't afford to lose a single voter

So this means he's pretty much toast -- stick a fork in him!

[JohnnyRingo]

27. It's said that 66% of republicans will vote for him even if convicted.

That leaves a 33% problem that he needs to win. Even if 15% stays home, he's gone in a landslide.

[Silent Type]

28. If trump is nominee, GOPers will vote for him, even if they have to hold their nose.

[marble falls]

30. Curiously enough it's the voters over 60 that are finally fed up. Party loyalty has done nothing for them.

[PortTack]

31. Last paragraph..guy votes for tfg X2...says he didn't know he was a crook and corrupt. Where in god's name

Do these ppl live…under a rock?

[OAITW r.2.0]

38. Most likely gets all his info from Fox, Newsmax, OAN, Breitbart, Gateway Pundit, etc

Has no real clue as to the depth of Trump's transgressions.

[PortTack]

39. Yes...more than likely...critical thinking skills missing!

[Rebl2]

33. Heard a woman

say on NPR I believe, she was going to vote for Haley and if she’s not the nominee, then she will vote for Biden. I think if trump is nominated, Biden wins. I don’t know how Mr. Scott Simeone didn’t realize how corrupt Trump is/was with all the information out there about him, long before he ran for president.

[Martin68]

35. I hope this is true of other states. Iowa is not that important in the bigger picture.

[republianmushroom]

36. I'm hoping the biggest problem donald has is finding handcuffs small enough

and an orange jumpsuit big enough, to fit him.

[ArkansasDemocrat1]

41. They can use quick ties

[FakeNoose]

42. Yes and that's what many of us on DU have been saying since last year

It won't matter how many states Chump "wins" in the Repuke primary, because that's only a small percentage of Repukes voting for him. But once it gets to the general election in November, he's going to feel the flood of votes AGAINST him, including his own Party. At least half of the Repuke party members will refuse to vote for Chump in November (no matter how they voted in the primary.)

Very FEW independents and ZERO Democrats will cast their vote for Chump. (That includes the fake Democrats who are really Repukes who only join our party to mess up our polls and primaries.) The idiotic news media will be left speechless in November when they see how few Americans actually vote for Chump. All this BS building up his candidacy for the last year will amount to nothing.

Joe Biden will win in a landslide.

[peggysue2]

43. I think this is exactly right--Trump is weaker than he was in 2020

Doesn't mean we can afford to be complacent or take our foot off the gas because too many enablers and donors are invested in a Trump win, not bc of Trump, the candidate, but the prospect of getting their hands on power once again, and then throttling the country, molding it into what they want.

But Trump himself is a known quantity. He's exposed himself, again and again, as a mentally deficient crook, depraved and amoral. That seemingly plays with the True Believers, those who still think he's the Strongman they want and need, but for the American majority, he's a horror show, a walking nightmare posing as a man.

2024 is our election to lose and we need to put everything into it. The only way MAGA retreats is by a massive blow at the ballot box. The economy is roaring back and consumer confidence is up. Inflation (despite what the MAGA talking heads spout) has been reduced and continues to fall. The stock market is at historical highs.

Yes, the border is an issue and the Gaza conflict needs resolution. Third-party runs present a challenge.

Still, Joe Biden and our Democratic Coalition are in a strong position. Biden's economic policies are coming online and making a difference. The Dobbs' decision is still a huge factor, a flashpoint of outrage for women, young and old. We've won the vast majority of special elections; elections in Virginia were a triumph. And Joe Biden has been a good President countering much of the obstructionism the GOP has sent his way.

As Simon Rosenberg has said repeatedly: I'd rather be us than them.

I'm Peggysue and I approve of this message.

[DemocraticPatriot]

45. Yeah, the manufacturing workers who make 'Depends' are about to go on strike....

Trump has a big problem ahead

[oldsoftie]

48. My experience is anecdotal, but I know some like this & I believe them.

I know 5 here in GA who either voted for him both times or '16 but will not again. One says she'll vote for Biden the others sy they'll skip that line; which is what cost Trump the election in '20. Undervotes.
WE just HAVE to get the same 81M out one more time. PLUS a few million more

[DC77]

49. This race is won in the margins

Popular vote means something to me but our arse backwards electoral college system means it has no meaning. Possibly less than four states will determine the election. No way he wins in Illinois where I’m from.

Yes, don’t rest on laurels. No complacency. Vote and get others to vote too. Civic duty. There are way more or us than them. Removing this Orange Shitstain from certain ballots is a possibility too. That wouldn’t hurt. He did engage in insurrection and he did give aid in comfort. Section III of the 14th Amendment should be determined to be self-executing. But certain Supreme Court Justices are politicians in robes.

[lastlib]

50. Your headline alone put a huge smile on my face.......

I don't want that futhermucker to have small problems.

[Shermann]

53. No way he picks up the 18 - 21 crowd

I suspect first-time unindoctrinated voters aren't going to be drawn in by his carnival barking. Please tell me I'm right about this.

[Skittles]

56. voters mistakenly believed only Biden could beat Trump

he wasn't - enough voters were absolutely SICK of Trump, and I think there are even more of them now

[keithbvadu2]

57. Don't stop sending billionaire Donald more money for his lawyers.

[PennRalphie]

60. The former guys problem is PA

The economy is doing very well here in PA. Everyone is seeing infrastructure money pouring in. Everyone who wants a job has one. Companies are still trying to hire even at almost full employment. That’s how well it’s going here. We have a terrific governor who will help Biden nationally. You need PA to win the election. Biden has this. I predict this election to be a total blowout.

[SunSeeker]

63. From your lips to Gods ears.

[C Moon]

61. I'd like to repunctuate: "Donald Trump has a big problem: a head."