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Cyrano

(15,097 posts)
Tue Jan 23, 2024, 05:50 PM Jan 2024

What if everyone on Earth was white, Christian, and spoke English?

Would that be "The Perfect World?"

Would that end all wars?

Would that unite humanity?

Not likely. There would still be those who desire power over others. There would still be those who desire to be worshiped. There would still be those who want it all. And once they have it all, they would want more.

Color, religion, nationality, and so many other differences are useful and convenient divisions for such people. And if those divisions didn't exist, they'd make up others. What others? Well, try things like emotional temperament, height, weight, eye color, physical build, -- Hell, the differences between us are endless. And are fodder for those who want to own us.

Our differences, any differences, make it easier for would-be tyrants to turn people against each other. It makes it easier for them to apply the tools of fear and hatred. It makes it easier for them to justify their "leadership" of the masses.

It's really no deeper than that. Yet, the vast majority of human beings on this planet don't get it and never have. It's why we live in a blood-soaked world. Our technology advances. But our sense of humanity is barely out of the caves. It's why tyrants have existed throughout history and it's why they still exist today.

Donald Trump wouldn't understand one concept that I've stated in this post. Nor does he need to in order to get what he wants. Him, and those like him just want it all. They care nothing for, or about, others and they will do anything imaginable to own us. If you get nothing else from this post, get this: Donald Trump wants it all. And if he gets it all, he'll want more.

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What if everyone on Earth was white, Christian, and spoke English? (Original Post) Cyrano Jan 2024 OP
there's hundreds of varieties of christians lol theyd fight to the death over which one is the right one nt msongs Jan 2024 #1
I was raised in the SBC Kennah Jan 2024 #17
For some reason Ireland comes to mind Jerry2144 Jan 2024 #2
don't be silly getagrip_already Jan 2024 #3
Hitler attacked other countries because he wanted to expand his power MadameButterfly Jan 2024 #9
exactly - it was NOT a religious mor a racial war - it was a war of power of power and conquest.... getagrip_already Jan 2024 #11
People are clannish. White English-speaking Christians have fought with each other Ocelot II Jan 2024 #4
What about the Crusades from 1095 - 1500 or so? dickthegrouch Jan 2024 #18
The OP referred to English-speaking White Christians vs. each other. Ocelot II Jan 2024 #19
White Europeans perfected warfare against each other Yavin4 Jan 2024 #21
What if "white" people were actually white GreenWave Jan 2024 #5
Somewhere between peach smoothie and peach mocha Kennah Jan 2024 #16
I dunno. That was the case in Europe for centuries. IIRC there were quite a few wars... brush Jan 2024 #6
Since WWII, hasn't this been one of the longest periods of peace between nations in Western Europe? Yavin4 Jan 2024 #22
Yeah, a glimpse at European history will disavow that nonsense... Wounded Bear Jan 2024 #7
This explains how it would go. cloudbase Jan 2024 #8
brilliant Celerity Jan 2024 #13
We could focus our attention on the real trouble makers: Redheads. marble falls Jan 2024 #10
The gingers are always the problem. (Not really, just expanding on your theme) Srkdqltr Jan 2024 #20
Time travel is the only solution limbicnuminousity Jan 2024 #23
Ever read The Cronicals of St Mary's? Time Travel and a ginger all in one. Srkdqltr Jan 2024 #30
Appreciate the suggestion! limbicnuminousity Jan 2024 #31
Author is Jodi Taylor if you are interested Srkdqltr Jan 2024 #32
Nope. There are many, MANY denominations of Christianity sakabatou Jan 2024 #12
then right wingers would find some other reason to hate to satisfy their unending lust to terrorize others Takket Jan 2024 #14
George Carlin - Stand Up About Religion Celerity Jan 2024 #15
Carlin never disappoints Srkdqltr Jan 2024 #27
God, I miss George! hatrack Jan 2024 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author MyNameIsJonas Jan 2024 #24
NO. WarGamer Jan 2024 #25
Why do small towns have competing christian churches? lindysalsagal Jan 2024 #26
Global war within ten years . . . hatrack Jan 2024 #28
I would kill myself Chi67 Jan 2024 #29
In the immortal words of Oliver Cromwell and King Charles I....... DFW Jan 2024 #34

msongs

(67,627 posts)
1. there's hundreds of varieties of christians lol theyd fight to the death over which one is the right one nt
Tue Jan 23, 2024, 05:54 PM
Jan 2024

Kennah

(14,403 posts)
17. I was raised in the SBC
Tue Jan 23, 2024, 09:08 PM
Jan 2024

Southern Baptist Church is allied with certain, select other fundies. Some of the Pentecostals. Maybe some Methodists and Presbyterians.

Catholics bad. Adventists bad. Jehovah's Witnesses bad. Mormons bad.

It was wasn't until about 1995 that the SBC said we're sorry for embracing slavery. Very quietly. I didn't hear about it until 2003.

Jerry2144

(2,158 posts)
2. For some reason Ireland comes to mind
Tue Jan 23, 2024, 05:56 PM
Jan 2024

It’s finally more settled and peaceful. But there was a long stretch where it wasn’t

getagrip_already

(15,190 posts)
3. don't be silly
Tue Jan 23, 2024, 05:57 PM
Jan 2024

wwii in europe didn't start as a war fought between different races or religions. It was one group of white protestants against another. And then catholics, although it still wasn't a religious war.

Sure, attacking the jews was racist, but that was internal politics. Germany didn't attack other countries because they were jewish.

So yeah, there would still be war.

Your hair is curly. You nose is flat. Your hair is black. You are short. Your eyebrows touch.

There would always be a reason.

MadameButterfly

(1,153 posts)
9. Hitler attacked other countries because he wanted to expand his power
Tue Jan 23, 2024, 07:17 PM
Jan 2024

not because there were Jews. Jews were one of many excuses to get people to follow him when he had nothing real to offer. It's the nature of dictators to always want more power. They never have enough. They never get done. That's why they usually eventually overreach and fail. But they can do a lot of damage in the meantime.

The mystery for me is that there are people who follow them and hand over their freedom willingly.

getagrip_already

(15,190 posts)
11. exactly - it was NOT a religious mor a racial war - it was a war of power of power and conquest....
Tue Jan 23, 2024, 08:51 PM
Jan 2024

And hate and revenge.

None of which were based in religion nor race.

And if there were no gods, nor races, and everyone looked and sounded alike, there would still be wars.

Humans would find a reason. We are good at that.

Ocelot II

(116,265 posts)
4. People are clannish. White English-speaking Christians have fought with each other
Tue Jan 23, 2024, 05:57 PM
Jan 2024

for centuries, starting at least with the reign of Henry VIII and the Catholic vs. Protestant conflicts that ensued, and continuing through The Troubles in Northern Ireland, not to mention the white English-speaking Christians who fought the US Civil War. People will always find things to fight about.

dickthegrouch

(3,206 posts)
18. What about the Crusades from 1095 - 1500 or so?
Tue Jan 23, 2024, 10:41 PM
Jan 2024

Admittedly those were effectively catholic vs Muslim. But still religious in nature.

Ocelot II

(116,265 posts)
19. The OP referred to English-speaking White Christians vs. each other.
Tue Jan 23, 2024, 10:53 PM
Jan 2024

The participants in the first two Crusades did not speak English - most of the European soldiers were Frankish and Germanic; the English soldiers in subsequent crusades didn't speak what we know as English, and all were fighting against non-English-speaking non-White non-Christians. There have been plenty of religious wars throughout history but the OP relates only to Christians. So the Crusades are irrelevant to the OP's question.

Yavin4

(35,475 posts)
21. White Europeans perfected warfare against each other
Tue Jan 23, 2024, 10:58 PM
Jan 2024

and then used those lessons to colonize the world.

GreenWave

(6,975 posts)
5. What if "white" people were actually white
Tue Jan 23, 2024, 05:57 PM
Jan 2024

you know, not ashen brown.
What if Christians understood how badly they plagiarized the son of Zeus and Alcmene.
What if English speakers understood that they need to be a hero and call it a zero. Their o (oh) simply must go!

Then for the first time we can meet your initial premise. I, for one, am looking forward to that day.

brush

(54,155 posts)
6. I dunno. That was the case in Europe for centuries. IIRC there were quite a few wars...
Tue Jan 23, 2024, 05:59 PM
Jan 2024

Last edited Tue Jan 23, 2024, 11:38 PM - Edit history (1)

in the old world, in fact, there's one going on right now.

That white-on-white crime has got to stop.

Yavin4

(35,475 posts)
22. Since WWII, hasn't this been one of the longest periods of peace between nations in Western Europe?
Tue Jan 23, 2024, 11:01 PM
Jan 2024

Yes. There have been wars in Eastern Europe bc of the collapse of the Soviet Bloc and today in Ukraine.

Wounded Bear

(58,879 posts)
7. Yeah, a glimpse at European history will disavow that nonsense...
Tue Jan 23, 2024, 05:59 PM
Jan 2024

Yeah, I know they don't all "speak English," but Christians have been finding reasons to kill each other for about 2000 years now.

Odds are it will continue, though we have enjoyed a bit of a slow down over the last 70 years or so.

Srkdqltr

(6,485 posts)
30. Ever read The Cronicals of St Mary's? Time Travel and a ginger all in one.
Tue Jan 23, 2024, 11:32 PM
Jan 2024

Don't mind me im in a silly mood tonight.

Takket

(21,804 posts)
14. then right wingers would find some other reason to hate to satisfy their unending lust to terrorize others
Tue Jan 23, 2024, 09:02 PM
Jan 2024

eye color
hair color
favorite food

whatever difference they can find their will attack

Response to Cyrano (Original post)

WarGamer

(12,611 posts)
25. NO.
Tue Jan 23, 2024, 11:14 PM
Jan 2024

Under your scenario...

Christians would splinter into sub-groups, a community of whites would shave their heads and another would dye their hair red...

Humans are tribal animals and without distinctions, they'll create their own.

lindysalsagal

(20,866 posts)
26. Why do small towns have competing christian churches?
Tue Jan 23, 2024, 11:20 PM
Jan 2024

Because religion is about "us" and "them." It ceases to exist, otherwise.

hatrack

(59,631 posts)
28. Global war within ten years . . .
Tue Jan 23, 2024, 11:31 PM
Jan 2024

Because one group of white English-speaking Christians would have the Absolute Divine Truth and, they would spread the word of . . .

"NO!!! WE possess the Absolute Divine Truth, not you infidels, and we will show you when we smite . . . "

"NO!!! WE are the True Believers, as opposed to you conclaves of freaks! God speaks to our divine leaders, and through them, we understand that . . . "

And so forth.

Chi67

(1,096 posts)
29. I would kill myself
Tue Jan 23, 2024, 11:32 PM
Jan 2024

What if everyone on Earth was white, Christian, and spoke English?

I would leave immediately. I'm about at that point now. As a gay man, I have been fighting all my life just to be recognized as a human being. The 80s were especially challenging. I am lucky to have survived the AIDS epidemic. I thought things were getting better during Obama. But then Trump came along and everyone's true colors showed. I am sick and tired of having to defend my humanity.

While I would never end my own life at this point (I tried at 19), I will be relieved when it's over. Everything, every day is a struggle. People like me are attacked just for existing constantly, and I am so fucking tired of it. It just never ends.

If there is such a thing as reincarnation, I hope I NEVER am reborn here on this planet. There has to be a better place where people are not constantly demonized just for existing.

To be honest, I have no fear of death at all. There are fates worse than death, and for many people on this planet, this is exactly it-a living hell.

Hell is indeed other people on this planet. Just look at Ukraine, Israel/Palestine, most of Africa. Who in their right mind would want to be in any of those places?

Life on this planet is a very sick joke. But it is less than funny for most of its inhabitants. And let's be honest, most people in this world live under oppressive regimes.

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