Why don't they use robot dogs in the tunnels of Gaza?

[questionseverything]

I want Hamas gone or weakened , the hostages home and the regular Palestinians back to having food, clean water and a place to rest their heads

money should be used to build “up” not “out “, for both Palestinians and Israel citizens, so the illegal settlers have some where to go when they give up the land they have stolen

[Ocelot II]

1. How would they get them there, and what would stop Hamas

from just blowing them up?

[questionseverything]

5. I'm sure some would get blown up but better that happens to robots than people

[LeftInTX]

2. They do. Problem is: There are hundreds of miles of tunnels.

They are also hard to find and are booby trapped, so it's extremely time consuming.

[questionseverything]

4. Do they? I have never seen an article about it so I was curious

[LeftInTX]

6. I have. They also use real dogs.

By the time you see IDF walking through a tunnel, they have already done all the automated stuff.

They have to make sure the tunnel is safe to enter and that is why they use robots first.

[questionseverything]

11. If you have an article about that, I would like to have a link

So I could read it

Ty

[LeftInTX]

12. With mapping robots and blast gel, Israel wages war on Hamas tunnels

&ab_channel=TIMESNOW

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/with-mapping-robots-blast-gel-israel-wages-war-hamas-tunnels-2023-11-16/

[questionseverything]

16. Basically they don't have enough robots for the miles and miles of tunnels

Ty for the article

[limbicnuminousity]

18. Quick question if you have a moment...

Any idea if they're able to use drones at that depth? I assume reception interference would be problematic...just curious.

[LeftInTX]

22. I wouldn't know. I know they have used drones, but don't know the depth they go

They used a drone at Al Shifa, but it was a fairly short tunnel and appears to be about 10-15 feet deep. Some of the larger tunnels go below the water table and even the river. (150 feet deep)

&t=29s&ab_channel=TheTelegraph

[hlthe2b]

24. Given drones have been used in caving rescues, I would think so... but?

[limbicnuminousity]

25. It's tangential really.

Just thinking about the logistics of it, wouldn't drones provide a faster means of exploring the tunnels? That's a lot of miles with a lot of branches to cover on foot.

[hlthe2b]

26. Probably...

[limbicnuminousity]

27. Thank you.

[JudyM]

38. Here's the answer from the great Reuters graphic explainer Mosby posted below

The military is experimenting with drones to search the tunnels without risking the lives of soldiers.

“The biggest problem in deploying drones underground right now is they get maybe a hundred feet into a tunnel network, then the tunnel makes a right or left turn and they completely lose signal,” said Blake Resnick, CEO of U.S. based drone maker BRINC, who said it is testing drones with the Israeli military.

The latest drones being tested have a networking facility that allows its operators to fly one a few hundred feet into a tunnel, until the structure changes direction. “They can land that drone, use it as a repeater, and then send in another drone deeper into the network,” he said. “And they can do that, practically as many times as they want.”

[limbicnuminousity]

40. Much appreciated!

And that is a great link, Mosby. Definitely helps visualize some of the issues faced.

[Mosby]

23. The Gaza metro

1500 tunnels, spanning hundreds of miles.

https://www.reuters.com/graphics/ISRAEL-PALESTINIANS/GAZA-TUNNELS/gkvldmzorvb/

[LeftInTX]

34. Exactly!.........

[JudyM]

39. This is a must-read for anyone interested in these tunnels. Great graphic walk-through of the situation.

You navigate through the graphic like you’d navigate through the tunnel system, pretty interesting.

[tritsofme]

3. There are no settlers in Gaza, Israel uprooted them in 2005.

[questionseverything]

8. If you can't admit there are illegal settlements, you are not serious

[tritsofme]

10. There have been no settlements in Gaza since 2005. Learn your history.

[hlthe2b]

13. There are in the West Bank, not Gaza. Seems a minor point, however.

[questionseverything]

17. I didn't say the illegal settlements were in Gaza

I just said , “illegal settlements “

[hlthe2b]

21. I don't disagree with your global point, but your point was made in response to

"There are no settlers in Gaza, Israel uprooted them in 2005." from the poster in #3 and you stated in response: "If you can't admit there are illegal settlements, you are not serious."

As you surely know, any slight error in these discussions can incite a dramatic subthread full of countering argument. Again, I think it is a minor point to the global one you were making, but was just trying to help you in avoiding that.

[questionseverything]

28. I agree with you, I responded to you because I knew you were sincere

When the others were just trying to hi jack the discussion by accusing me of saying something I didn’t say

👍

[LeftInTX]

14. There were no Israelis residing in Gaza when they attacked Israel.

They haven't been living there for years. Israel evicted their own. They left because they were too many terror attacks.

[questionseverything]

19. I never said the Israel people were in gaza

The illegal settlements are who need to be re settled

[LeftInTX]

20. What? Israelis are settlers. The only people in Gaza were Palestinians.

[questionseverything]

30. Actually Christians were also killed in Gaza by Israel's bombs

[LeftInTX]

31. Those aren't settlers. They're Palestinians. They used to be about 20%. Arafat's wife was Christian

Suha Arafat

Suha Arafat (Arabic: سهى عرفات; born Suha Daoud Tawil (Arabic: سهى داود الطويل on 17 July 1963) is the widow of former Palestinian Authority President Yasser Arafat.

Suha was born in Jerusalem on 17 July 1963 into an affluent Roman Catholic[1][2][3] family who lived in Nablus and then Ramallah (both cities under Jordanian rule at the time).[4][5] Suha's father Daoud Tawil, an Oxford-educated[6] banker,[7] was born in Jaffa (now part of Tel Aviv). Daoud Tawil had business both in the West Bank and Jordan.[8]

Suha's mother, Raymonda Hawa Tawil, born in Acre, is a member of the Hawa family of Acre, prominent property owners in the Haifa area.[8] She was a poet and writer. She became a Palestinian political activist after 1967 and was arrested several times by the Israelis, making her a media star.[8] She was also a high-profile Palestinian journalist.[9] Suha, growing up in Ramallah, was influenced by the political activism of her mother conducted in the 1970s from her PLO-influenced news bureau in East Jerusalem.[8]

Suha attended a convent school, Rosary Sisters' School, in Beit Hanina, Jerusalem. At age 18, she went to Paris to study, where she lived with her older sister, who was married to Ibrahim Souss, the PLO's then-ambassador to France.[8]

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Christians

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Many Palestinian Christians left after the Israelis forced them off their land in 1948. Christians could easily migrate to the US and Latin America than Muslims could. They used to be a fairly large percent of Palestinians. BTW Lebanon was created as an Arab Christian majority country. However, once again many Christians were able to migrate to the US and Mexico,

[questionseverything]

32. The illegal settlements are in between the West Bank and Gaza

I’m just going by what the United States, the un and most civilized countries say

[LeftInTX]

33. You seem confused...The illegal settlements are in the West Bank...

Look...I'm Armenian and I know a little bit about this stuff....

You seem to be talking in circles about goofy stuff....

[madaboutharry]

36. The country called Israel is between Gaza and The West Bank.

Are you asserting that the entire country of Israel is an illegal settlement?

[Drum]

7. Way more expensive than soldiers

[questionseverything]

9. Sadly that's probably the real reason

[Think. Again.]

37. I've read here on DU...

...that the 3 billion dollars a year that the U.S. gives to the Israeli military is only 7% of the Israeli military budget.

Perhaps expense isn't the reason.

[OAITW r.2.0]

15. Interesting question,

I assume a robot dog would have offensive and defensive weapon capability. I would also think there is a human monitoring the robodog camera's to add intelligence to it's actions/reactions.

I wonder if the tunnels themselves degrade the signal acquisition? I imagine it's a lot different than comms with air/land/sea drones.

[questionseverything]

29. Theoretically a dog robot could carry the offensive drones in

[madaboutharry]

35. Why are you repeating the lie about illegal settlers in Gaza?

There hasn’t been an Israeli or a Jew in Gaza for 18 years.
The only reason there are Israeli soldiers in Gaza now is because Hamas started a war.