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why not limit ads on network tv to like 8 minutes an hour? (Original Post) leftlibdem420 Nov 2012 OP
6 minutes an hour is giving them 10% of our public air to sell their shit randr Nov 2012 #1
I wish they would enforce the volume rule julian09 Nov 2012 #3
Under what authority OnyxCollie Nov 2012 #2
The FCC licensing authority HubertHeaver Nov 2012 #7
Still haven't answered the question. OnyxCollie Nov 2012 #8
The question: HubertHeaver Nov 2012 #13
"The authority to regulate..." OnyxCollie Nov 2012 #14
Authority to regulate exactly ... HubertHeaver Nov 2012 #16
Gosh, I'm lucky to be here. OnyxCollie Nov 2012 #17
Yes, you are very lucky to be here. This is a great country, greatest country in the world and HubertHeaver Nov 2012 #20
You don't know what you're talking about OnyxCollie Nov 2012 #22
Again with the insults. HubertHeaver Nov 2012 #24
You STILL aren't smart enough to shut up. OnyxCollie Nov 2012 #29
Congratulations!!! You completely missed the point. HubertHeaver Nov 2012 #30
Because the only reason TV exists is for ads. MrSlayer Nov 2012 #4
Yes. Excellent shows have been cancelled for not generating enough ad revenue. nt Comrade_McKenzie Nov 2012 #26
Why not turn off your TV, or MineralMan Nov 2012 #5
I don't even have cable. leftlibdem420 Nov 2012 #9
Cable has nothing to do with it. If television advertising MineralMan Nov 2012 #11
Its a pissoff having a DVR TrogL Nov 2012 #6
There used to be limits to commercial time. Doremus Nov 2012 #10
There still are limits mythology Nov 2012 #15
Why is there a limit? OnyxCollie Nov 2012 #18
Self Imposed Through The NAB... KharmaTrain Nov 2012 #19
That's correct. OnyxCollie Nov 2012 #21
The networks have to run more commercials now because their audiences are much smaller and thus the Midwestern Democrat Nov 2012 #25
Why? RedCappedBandit Nov 2012 #12
Commercial overload. jambo101 Nov 2012 #23
My cat walks across my keyboard and accidentally downloads all kinds of TV/Movies with no ads. nt Comrade_McKenzie Nov 2012 #27
Good thing all those actors and technicians are working for free... brooklynite Nov 2012 #32
Okay, done! Iggo Nov 2012 #28
I like your username. Son of Gob Nov 2012 #31
 

julian09

(1,435 posts)
3. I wish they would enforce the volume rule
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 03:10 PM
Nov 2012

seems worse than before the law, very annoying. They should have A LA CARTE service ; they make plenty of money with the commercials then pile on exorbitant sub rates.

 

OnyxCollie

(9,958 posts)
2. Under what authority
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 03:02 PM
Nov 2012

does the government have to limit the amount of advertising a network TV station can sell?

HubertHeaver

(2,540 posts)
7. The FCC licensing authority
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 04:40 PM
Nov 2012

The airwaves belong to the public. The FCC is charged with regulating said airwaves.


Does not apply to cable.

 

OnyxCollie

(9,958 posts)
8. Still haven't answered the question.
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 04:57 PM
Nov 2012

Specifically, in what law does the government have the authority to limit the amount of advertising network TV can have?

HubertHeaver

(2,540 posts)
13. The question:
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 11:08 PM
Nov 2012

Under what authority


does the government have to limit the amount of advertising a network TV station can sell?


Answer: The authority to regulate is contained in the FCC charter.



You narrowed the question. Originally you asked a broad question, got a broad answer.

 

OnyxCollie

(9,958 posts)
14. "The authority to regulate..."
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 11:55 PM
Nov 2012

The authority to regulate, what, exactly?

Content? Signal strength? Don't know?

The FCC charter does NOT regulate the amount of advertising.

 

OnyxCollie

(9,958 posts)
17. Gosh, I'm lucky to be here.
Thu Nov 22, 2012, 03:06 AM
Nov 2012

When I worked in commercial radio for five years, near the end of December there would be very few spots to run. Sometimes there would be no spots in an hour.

Good thing the FCC didn't break down the door to arrest me for not running my quota of spots.

Tell me, how many spots does the government allow to run?

HubertHeaver

(2,540 posts)
20. Yes, you are very lucky to be here. This is a great country, greatest country in the world and
Thu Nov 22, 2012, 04:48 AM
Nov 2012

so on and so forth.

I would think anyone as intentionally as obtuse as you would have run into a brick wall or two at some time in the past.

Why did you ask where the authority comes from? You worked in commercial radio, you know this stuff. And who said anything about a quota? (besides you, just now)

Your original question 'by whose authority' and my response was the authority resides with the FCC. By whose authority? The FCC"S authority. The rest of this crap was you being 'thick as a plank' and making stuff up.


I had thought you were playing with me, trying to draw an insult or something. Or maybe you are just bored. Or working on your post count.


 

OnyxCollie

(9,958 posts)
22. You don't know what you're talking about
Thu Nov 22, 2012, 04:54 AM
Nov 2012

and you're not smart enough to shut up.

Yeah, I'm working on my post count. LOL! Only 10,000 more and I get the bean-bag ashtray.

HubertHeaver

(2,540 posts)
24. Again with the insults.
Thu Nov 22, 2012, 05:31 AM
Nov 2012

You ask a question, then change the question. Throw insults.

I will grant that you can spell. But you don't argue effectively. You don't hold to the topic. You make stuff up and, if that doesn't work, you insult.



If you want to learn to argue effectively, this is a good place to develop your skills. But first, stop the insults. When you attack personally, you lose. You admit you have nothing.

 

OnyxCollie

(9,958 posts)
29. You STILL aren't smart enough to shut up.
Thu Nov 22, 2012, 11:18 AM
Nov 2012

Your claim that the FCC charter controls the amount of advertising on network TV is WRONG.

The "limit" on network TV advertising is self-imposed by the NAB, as KharmaTrain has pointed out, not the FCC.

HubertHeaver

(2,540 posts)
30. Congratulations!!! You completely missed the point.
Thu Nov 22, 2012, 07:51 PM
Nov 2012

Though you may not realize it, you have agreed with my initial assertion that the authority resides with the FCC. And please note that is all I claimed--the authority to regulate.


As the esteemed KharmaTrain has informed us, and you asserted to be correct, the restrictions are "Self Imposed Through The NAB...

...National Association of Broadcasters. The "penalty" in the old days would be marks against a station in their attempts to renew their license."

What you apparently missed, in your haste to insult me once again, is the fact the National Association of Broadcasters is a trade organization. As such they are devoid of any enforcement authority. Their only claim to a semblance of authority (or ability to impose a "penalty&quot manifests itself only when the station's license is up for renewal. KharmaTrain goes on to say

"Today it's virtually impossible to challenge for a station's license thus very little accountability to the NAB or anyone else. The only thing that keeps them from adding more minutes is competition...people tend to dial away during long commercial breaks."


That is, the FCC has abrogated that responsibility to the "invisible hand of the Free Market" but that abrogation does not negate their authority to impose regulation.



 

MrSlayer

(22,143 posts)
4. Because the only reason TV exists is for ads.
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 03:15 PM
Nov 2012

The shows are there to rope you into seeing them.

MineralMan

(151,413 posts)
5. Why not turn off your TV, or
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 03:18 PM
Nov 2012

tune to a non-commercial channel?

You're in complete control of your television viewing, you know. You can opt out at any time.

 

leftlibdem420

(256 posts)
9. I don't even have cable.
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 06:59 PM
Nov 2012

I just find it silly that the United States allows more advertising than other countries.

MineralMan

(151,413 posts)
11. Cable has nothing to do with it. If television advertising
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:40 PM
Nov 2012

offends you, shut off the TV and don't watch the advertising. Are there any PBS stations you get?

TrogL

(32,828 posts)
6. Its a pissoff having a DVR
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 03:18 PM
Nov 2012

Many shows have so many commercials they have to do a recap. I can watch an hour-long show in 20 minutes

Doremus

(7,273 posts)
10. There used to be limits to commercial time.
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 07:02 PM
Nov 2012

I'm not sure how many minutes per hour it used to be, but I wouldn't be surprised if commercial time is approaching 50-50 nowadays.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
15. There still are limits
Thu Nov 22, 2012, 01:50 AM
Nov 2012

The limits have been loosened in recent years, but a 30 minute show is 22 minutes of show and 8 minutes of ads. A 60 minute show is usually 42 minutes with 18 of commercials, although some shows run longer. For example most episodes of Gilmore Girls and Veronica Mars ran around 44-46 minutes if I recall correctly. That said, early episodes of Law and Order from the early 1990s often ran close to 50 minutes.

 

OnyxCollie

(9,958 posts)
18. Why is there a limit?
Thu Nov 22, 2012, 03:11 AM
Nov 2012

What is the penalty for violating the limit?

Who is watching/listening to enforce the limit?

KharmaTrain

(31,706 posts)
19. Self Imposed Through The NAB...
Thu Nov 22, 2012, 03:38 AM
Nov 2012

...National Association of Broadcasters. The "penalty" in the old days would be marks against a station in their attempts to renew their license. Today it's virtually impossible to challenge for a station's license thus very little accountability to the NAB or anyone else. The only thing that keeps them from adding more minutes is competition...people tend to dial away during long commercial breaks.

 

OnyxCollie

(9,958 posts)
21. That's correct.
Thu Nov 22, 2012, 04:49 AM
Nov 2012

When I worked in radio, what mattered was getting in and out of spots before the competition did. That was the only "limit." (The sales department would have loved to have had more spots run. Occasionally there would be five minutes of commercials in one stop set. You could hear the dials turning.) The only other "limit" on the commercials was the claim of "nine songs, back to back!" or "40 minutes of non-stop music!" that was to be played each hour.

Midwestern Democrat

(1,029 posts)
25. The networks have to run more commercials now because their audiences are much smaller and thus the
Thu Nov 22, 2012, 06:57 AM
Nov 2012

ad rates are lower than in the days when there was only the big three networks. An example of the reduced cash flows of the networks - towards the end of Leno's first run as host of "The Tonight Show", that program was bringing in only a third of the ad revenue that it was bringing in a decade earlier.

jambo101

(797 posts)
23. Commercial overload.
Thu Nov 22, 2012, 05:16 AM
Nov 2012

They'll just keep putting more and more advertising into tv till no one watches anymore,then they'll wonder why..
I've gotten into watching less tv,taping shows i do like and watching more tv on the computer..

 

Comrade_McKenzie

(2,526 posts)
27. My cat walks across my keyboard and accidentally downloads all kinds of TV/Movies with no ads. nt
Thu Nov 22, 2012, 07:01 AM
Nov 2012
 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
32. Good thing all those actors and technicians are working for free...
Thu Nov 22, 2012, 08:45 PM
Nov 2012

...if nobody watched commercial television, and therefore the TV networks didn't have money to buy anynew shows, it's nice to know they'd still be produced.

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