Abbott: Texas prepared in 'unlikely event' Biden federalizes National Guard

[Eugene]

Abbott: Texas prepared in ‘unlikely event’ Biden federalizes National Guard (The Hill)

Texas Gov. Greg Abbott (R) said Texas is prepared in the “unlikely event” that President Biden federalizes the National Guard as the standoff over the southern border heats up.

“Well, first, I’d be shocked. That would be a boneheaded move on his part, total disaster,” Abbott told conservative host Tucker Carlson on his new show “Uncensored.”

“For one, as you might imagine, we are prepared in the event that that unlikely event does occur to make sure that we will be able to continue exactly what we’ve been doing over the past month and that is building these barriers,” Abbott added.

This week, the Texas National Guard appeared to ignore a Supreme Court decision approving the removal of the razor wire barriers, and continued construction along the border. Abbott has justified his decision, while criticizing Biden for not enforcing immigration laws.

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/4432392-abbott-texas-prepared-biden-federalize-national-guard/

[JohnSJ]

1. Reminds me of when George Wallace tried to block integration into

the University of Alabama

President Biden needs to activate the National Guard to remove the barbed wire against Abbott’s violation of the SC ruling.

F**k that pompous ass Abbott.

He is an ugly despicable person who needs to be put in his place.

[Polybius]

3. And what happens if they don't listen?

Or if Red states unite? Biden won't be federalizing the Texas NG.

[JohnSJ]

5. Arrest them. The country is over if this isn't stopped, and anyone who

can’t see that is blind.

JFK didn’t let George Wallace get away with that crap, and Biden shouldn’t let Abbott get away with.

[Polybius]

8. Arrest 100,000?

Texas has the Texas State Guard as well. They can't be federalized. Biden is not going to have this mess in an election year. Wait it out until November.

[JohnSJ]

10. Then fuck Texas and the country because we are no longer a

country of laws

[Polybius]

15. Let's see what Biden does

Perhaps he'll think of a better solution.

[JohnSJ]

16. Stop all federal funds to Texas until they abide by the SC ruling

[NickB79]

19. The SC ruling didn't tell Texas to take down fences though

It gave federal authorities permission to cut through them if needed.

Abbott found a loophole, and he's exploiting it.

[JohnSJ]

23. Fine, so they do it as necessary, but Abbott has said he will use the Texas state guard

to prevent that

[NickB79]

24. Then Texas fires the first shots, possibly literally

And everything Biden does from then on can be justified.

[niyad]

28. Happy 20th DUnniversary.

[LiberalFighter]

62. Declare them to be insurrectionists?

[edhopper]

7. How many will stop listen

When faced with dishonorable discharges, loss of all benefits and possible prison for disobeying the Commanders in Chief.

[Polybius]

12. Well think about the average person who would join the Texas NG

Probably very anti-Biden and pro-Abbott.

[edhopper]

14. I don't see them ruining their life for Abbott

[Polybius]

17. I do, but i don't think their life will be ruined

A confrontation could make Biden drop 10 points, and the next Republican President pardons them all anyway. No win situation.

[edhopper]

25. Then we no longer have

a United States.

[Polybius]

26. Waiting it out until November is better than a Civil War

I don't want any Americans to die for another unjust war.

[edhopper]

9. Delete

[Hassin Bin Sober]

29. Is the guard leadership going to flush their careers and risk serious prison time?

The military takes mutiny pretty seriously.

An officer who defies an order is finished. For life.

[Polybius]

32. Depends on whether they think Texas will win or not

If they win, no punishment.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

33. They are going to bank their careers on a full out shooting war and secession?

Hardly.

What are these career officers going to do? Barricade themselves in their offices and put out shoot to kill orders?

Nationalize the guard and start arresting any officer that fails to follow an order. Even so much as a stutter step by an officer can be career ending.

Flag or senior commissioned officers aren’t going to blow their careers and pensions over barbed wire.

I just don’t see it.

[Polybius]

35. A huge amount of TNG leaders are Trumpers who detest Biden

No shooting war if they don't listen, they just ignore Biden and keep doing what they're doing. Only way a shooting war happens is if Biden sends in the army, but that takes a lot of paperwork and according to a few posters, it's not allowed.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

37. Ok they disobey orders, this thing settles down and they are still fucked for life. These people aren't stupid

We don’t have to send in troops. THEY are the troops.

I’m not talking about some Texas yokel enlisted man. There are full time commissioned officers that have a lifetime invested.

Either they stand down or that’s it for their careers.

No more pay. No more pensions. No more healthcare. No housing if they live on base. Nothing. Cut off. That’s it.

There are no do overs for mutiny. Dishonorable discharge = fucked in the private sector too.

I’m not saying some won’t act up but this thing will blow over and they will be finished.

Once fired they can pretend they are still in the Guard but they will be like the guy in Office Space (minus the pay). No more checks. No more direct deposit. No more healthcare. Nothing. And picked up at the government’s leisure.

[Polybius]

38. While I'd be surprised if Trump won again, Trumpers feel differently

They think he'll win. Probably the troopers feel that they would get a pardon.

I'm not saying they just will not listen, I'm saying if Abbott tells them "No, you listen to me" and gives them some BS speech.

As for pay, doesn't Texas pay them?

Pointless to argue, since it hasn't happened yet. I personally doubt Biden even tries to take them under his command.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

39. Do these people look stupid to you? You really think these professionals with 20-30 plus years in are going...

… to toss all that fruit salad, hardware and stripes in the garbage?

This is just the command staff. There is probably another 20-30 plus people that report to them with just as much fruit salad on their chests and stripes on their arms.

(Number 3 looks that stupid to be honest)

They would lose everything. Everything. No pension. No healthcare. No cushy contractor jobs. And that’s without lifting a finger to go after their freedom

[Polybius]

41. No they don't, and I wasn't calling anyone stupid

I wouldn't call Robert E. Lee stupid either, even though he did a hugely stupid thing. But it's only stupid because he lost. I'm sure George Washington and the rest of the Founders were called stupid at first by some in the Kingdom, but when they won they changed their minds.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

43. I'm calling them stupid if they flush their careers.

And I don’t think you can compare today’s issue of migrants at the border to upending a whole economic system based on slavery.

The two motivations are not remotely comparable. One is a political issue used to gin up racists in an election year and the other entailed pulling the economic rug out from under an entire system.

[Polybius]

49. Fast forward a week later, the TNG has put up a "Come and Take It" flag outside of their headquarters

Link to tweet

[Hassin Bin Sober]

51. Oooohhhhh I'm scared.

Come and take my 30 year career and flush it down the toilet over the Governor’s political stunt.

Not gonna happen if Biden nationalizes.

[Polybius]

55. Never said you should be

But thought you might want to see what they put up.

[Tickle]

58. I must have been high in school when this was taught

but I don't get it. Come and take the flag, why?

[EX500rider]

65. here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Come_and_take_it

[Hassin Bin Sober]

40. Their pay comes from the DOD. And 95 % of GUARD funding comes from DOD

I’m sure there are clauses for mutiny in those funding laws

The Governor gets to play CIC but the Guard is ultimately a branch of the DOD

[haele]

42. Also, will Texas pay their salaries and provide the infrastructure the DoD does once they do mutiny?

Even running a State Guard/Militia is expensive as hell. Texas will find that without federal dollars supporting that infrastructure and facility, they're going to go broke pretty durn quick.

This is a move by the Texas White Nationalists Billionaires Club to carve their own kingdom out of the US while still benefitting from existing federal investments, policies, and infrastructure. It's basically a hostile takeover move. Just business.
They are short term clever, long term stupid. Their plan for after their takeover is "And we all live in charge happily ever after, because nothing is going to change other than the ownership of this franchise."
On edit - it's obvious they view the US like a company with states as franchises. They don't see people, they see dollar signs and their own comfort.

Haele

[LiberalFighter]

61. Determine how to deactive their NG status so it doesn't qualify for a federal pension.

[DemocratInPa]

18. What do you want Biden to do?

He activates the National Guard and its over for him...

'This is serious and there is no easy answer. Wait this out is his best course of action right now.

[Srkdqltr]

2. But will the NG comply with Abbott or Biden?

[JohnSJ]

6. If they don't comply with the President they need to be dishonorably discharged

[Hassin Bin Sober]

34. Yeah, after they serve 20 years hard labor in Fort Leavenworth as a private.

[bucolic_frolic]

11. That is the question

and who will enforce the SC ruling.

Ignoring SCOTUS and the President's order would be half a step toward rebellion against the Union.

Abbott is an agitator. $10K fines on abortion, migrant bussing and air travel to northern states, overtaking federal jurisdiction on a national border.

Biden has no good choices as far as I can tell.

[Ocelot II]

4. Is he gonna go all Fort Sumter on us?

[Srkdqltr]

13. What a spot to be in. Damned if he does and damned if he dosen't.

People are going nutz. Some people.

[Eko]

20. This really really needs us to keep an eye on.

Biden wont just jump, but he is going to have to address this if the courts, supreme and otherwise wont. He wont have a choice.

[oldmanlynn]

31. I agree. Biden cant federalize the guard. But he can...

Biden should talk to this issue. Address the country and tell them about how America has been a nation of immigrants and has values and we dont treat immigrants this way, etc

Hammer the airwaves with this and mention the new border security deal and what it will help us do. Spread the word.

Do some truthful propaganda

[NickB79]

21. Just cut the fences as necessary per the USSC

Their ruling didn't actually tell Texas to remove the fences, just that it was ok for federal agents to cut through them where needed.

So start cutting. Ignore Abbott and let him piss away Texas tax dollars on new fencing every day.

[Polybius]

27. Or perhaps change direction

Don't cut.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

45. Cut faster and with more tv cameras and journalists with pens.

I'd send the Army to cut the wire faster than it could be put up, but I'm unfit to be President.

[Polybius]

47. He can't send in the army

At least according to a few posters here. They cited some law.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

48. 18 U.S. Code § 1385

18 U.S. Code § 1385 - Use of Army, Navy, Marine Corps, Air Force, and Space Force as posse comitatus

Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army, the Navy, the Marine Corps, the Air Force, or the Space Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.

Now notice it doesn't say a thing about cutting wire that's blocking the border.

[Attilatheblond]

54. Can the USAF help cut the razor wire?

That stuff is pretty dangerous to handle close up. Some A-10s might be good for the job.

I jest, but only slightly.

[UTUSN]

22. He hasn't gotten the "insurrectionist" memo?!

[Sneederbunk]

30. And talking to Tucker Carlson is not boneheaded?

[Initech]

36. The GOP would be nothing without those fucking talk shows.

Fuck Greg Abbott and Tucker Carlson.

[Torchlight]

44. Abbott's PR appers to work well getting the masses in a tizzy.

Texans who have been living in his state know all to well he's all hat, no cattle. He'll crumple like old newspaper at the first opportunity if any of this ever advances past the knee-jerk stage and becomes real. Just keep our eyes on who is loudly advertising this beyond its rational course, and the stageplay's authors then become obvious.

[czarjak]

46. Crazy-ass Waco Baptists.

Whatcha gonna do?

[Oneironaut]

50. Imo Biden should do it.

It’s a tough decision, but, Abbott is probably bluffing and wants to make Biden look like a spineless idiot. However, there’s a small chance he isn’t which would mean possible conflict or an uprising.

On the other hand, they would probably just back down and cry about the “Evil Marxist Government” on Fox News.

If Biden does nothing, he’s signaling to these rogue governors that they can ignore Supreme Court decisions and do whatever they want, allowing them to escalate poor treatment of immigrants and others.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

53. These people are fucking bullies that need to be dealt with.

Look at Ammon Bundy. The feds backed down and all that did was encourage him.

A hospital took him to court for defamation. Now the hospital owns his house and he is in hiding from contempt charges.

Fuck these bullies. Only one way to deal with a bully.

[Faux pas]

52. abbott is a

raging ASSHOLE. I see all of this as just an attempt t0 DISTRACT everyone from the hump's problems.

[spanone]

56. FAFO

[JCMach1]

57. Biden should force Texas to pay them combat pay since it's an invasion!

According to Abbott anwway

[Progressive dog]

59. I don't think President Biden

will turn this into a confrontation with Abbott. Lincoln took no action against the secessionists until they fired on Fort Sumter.

[Hugin]

60. President Biden not federalizing the NG already...

Is showing remarkable restraint.

Even in most of the rest of the western world this horseshit would have been shut down days ago.

[MOMFUDSKI]

63. The sooner Biden can go after abbutt the

better. He is scary out of control. One of the worst.

[maxrandb]

64. I think this is pretty easy to solve without a shot fired, or Civil War

I am extremely thankful to know that President Biden will NOT be taking advice from the internet when dealing with this toxic issue.

However, my thought is that he just federalize the Texas National Guard and place them under his Constitutional command as CINC. The wingnuts have actually made that a pretty easy move by screaming like banshees that the border issue is a "national emergency".

Federalizing the Texas National Guard makes them subject to the UCMJ.

"Soldiers and airmen in the National Guard of the United States are subject to the UCMJ only if activated in a Federal capacity under Title 10 by an executive order issued by the President."

You then pick someone like General Honore as Task Force Commander.

You ORDER them to remove the "illegal" barriers. Those that refuse, you Court Martial, or take to Non-Judicial Punishment and begin processing Bad Conduct discharges, or Other Than Honorable separations due to Failure to Obey, Misconduct, and Conduct Unbecoming.

If you discharge one dumbass and strip them of all pay, benefits and entitlements, the remainder will get their treasonous asses in line so fast your head will spin.

I worked with a lot of blowhards and braggarts. They all turned into sniveling little pissants when "standing before the Mast".