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elleng

(141,926 posts)
Fri Jan 26, 2024, 11:07 PM Jan 2024

"When a man unprincipled in private life, desperate in his fortune,

bold in his temper . . . despotic in his ordinary demeanour — known to have scoffed in private at the principles of liberty — when such a man is seen to mount the hobby horse of popularity — to join in the cry of danger to liberty — to take every opportunity of embarrassing the General Government & bringing it under suspicion — to flatter and fall in with all the nonsense of the zealots of the day — It may justly be suspected that his object is to throw things into confusion that he may 'ride the storm and direct the whirlwind.'"
- Alexander Hamilton

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"When a man unprincipled in private life, desperate in his fortune, (Original Post) elleng Jan 2024 OP
This is so perfect! redwitch Jan 2024 #1
Luna_selene Luna_selene Jan 2024 #2
Go here in the National Archives: Silver Gaia Jan 2024 #6
Thank you for this link. dmr Jan 2024 #22
You are most welcome. Silver Gaia Jan 2024 #23
Alexander Hamilton's words are online through the Library of Congress. summer_in_TX Jan 2024 #14
welcome to DU! WhiteTara Jan 2024 #18
And a huge welcome to you Luna_selene. erronis Jan 2024 #28
It is so good soldierant Jan 2024 #3
Bwah! I get it electric_blue68 Jan 2024 #15
Glad you liked it. soldierant Jan 2024 #25
Wow. What a spectacular quote for our times. Thanx!!!!!!!!!!! NNadir Jan 2024 #4
ding. AllaN01Bear Jan 2024 #5
k UTUSN Jan 2024 #7
KNR and bookmarking. niyad Jan 2024 #8
Prophetic. moondust Jan 2024 #9
You and I had the same thoughts..my apologies as I did not mean to step on your post Deuxcents Jan 2024 #11
No prob. moondust Jan 2024 #13
It's like Mr Hamilton could see into the future to warn us. I think he nailed it for our current situation Deuxcents Jan 2024 #10
Eerie orangecrush Jan 2024 #12
Kicked and recommended Uncle Joe Jan 2024 #16
"...his object is to throw things into confusion that he may 'ride the storm and direct the whirlwind'." LudwigPastorius Jan 2024 #17
He can always nuke it😀😀😀 anamnua Jan 2024 #19
Nicely played malaise Jan 2024 #21
That was written for malaise Jan 2024 #20
The really bad news though RandomNumbers Jan 2024 #24
Wow, he speaking to us today, through his words. OAITW r.2.0 Jan 2024 #26
Has any screenwriter yet written a time-travel episode explaining this quote? intrepidity Jan 2024 #27

Luna_selene

(1 post)
2. Luna_selene
Fri Jan 26, 2024, 11:17 PM
Jan 2024

I would like to have a citation to pass on to certain friends who lean Trump. This is very good. Thank you.

Silver Gaia

(5,436 posts)
6. Go here in the National Archives:
Fri Jan 26, 2024, 11:49 PM
Jan 2024
https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Hamilton/01-12-02-0184-0002

Search that document for the word despotic, and you will find this quote. From that source, you should be able to form whatever type of citation you need.

Hope that helps!

Silver Gaia

(5,436 posts)
23. You are most welcome.
Sat Jan 27, 2024, 06:46 AM
Jan 2024

I use the National Archives a lot with students. It's an awesome resource!

summer_in_TX

(4,278 posts)
14. Alexander Hamilton's words are online through the Library of Congress.
Sat Jan 27, 2024, 12:22 AM
Jan 2024
https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Hamilton/01-12-02-0184-0002

[enclosure]5
Objections and Answers respecting the Administration
of the Government

That's the bulk of a paragraph perhaps 2/3 of the way down the page, Part of Objection XIV.. The Founding Fathers understood people and anticipated a lot. They just didn't put it firmly enough in our laws.

When a man unprincipled in private life desperate in his fortune, bold in his temper, possessed of considerable talents, having the advantage of military habits—despotic in his ordinary demeanour—known to have scoffed in private at the principles of liberty—when such a man is seen to mount the hobby horse of popularity—to join in the cry of danger to liberty—to take every opportunity of embarrassing the General Government & bringing it under suspicion—to flatter and fall in with all the non sense of the zealots of the day—It may justly be suspected that his object is to throw things into confusion that he may “ride the storm and direct the whirlwind.”

soldierant

(9,372 posts)
3. It is so good
Fri Jan 26, 2024, 11:43 PM
Jan 2024

that I can just see MAGAts objecting that it was said by a [expltive] Puerto Rican.

Deuxcents

(27,721 posts)
10. It's like Mr Hamilton could see into the future to warn us. I think he nailed it for our current situation
Sat Jan 27, 2024, 12:06 AM
Jan 2024

Good post and I’m passing it on

LudwigPastorius

(15,011 posts)
17. "...his object is to throw things into confusion that he may 'ride the storm and direct the whirlwind'."
Sat Jan 27, 2024, 01:04 AM
Jan 2024

...and if he can't direct the whirlwind himself...well, he's got a Sharpie that can.




RandomNumbers

(19,263 posts)
24. The really bad news though
Sat Jan 27, 2024, 10:13 AM
Jan 2024

is that there are far too many people in this country who think they WANT that "whirlwind".

Won't do any of us much good by the time they find out how wrong they were.

intrepidity

(8,597 posts)
27. Has any screenwriter yet written a time-travel episode explaining this quote?
Sat Jan 27, 2024, 04:12 PM
Jan 2024

For any of those scifi series that deal in time travel and history, this would be a great premise for an episode: Hamilton somehow gets to present time and witnesses tfg.

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