Fetterman waves Israeli flag from rooftop as pro-Hamas demonstrators whine outside his home

[tritsofme]

Link to tweet

This is spectacular, Fetterman is quickly becoming one of our best Democratic senators!

[Beetwasher.]

1. Love this Guy

[debm55]

118. Me too. I live about 10 miles from John's home in Braddock.

[BannonsLiver]

2. He basically flipped the bird to the local Hamas fan club.

[Cha]

81. AbsoEffinLutely!!

[MarineCombatEngineer]

3. So, when are the usual suspects going to show up and condemn Sen. Fetterman

for waving the flag of Israel?
Waiting for it................

[Hekate]

11. In 3...2...1...

[mopinko]

17. nm

[Raine]

4. He's terrific! 🥰👍 nt

[LetMyPeopleVote]

5. This makes me smile

[mcar]

6. Good for him!

[Oopsie Daisy]

7. I'm happy to see this.

To quote something I recently read here on DU ... "he's pissing off all the right people". LOL

[dsp3000]

8. Mixed feelings about this.

Our leaders need to hold Israel more accountable and empathize with the palestinians especially when there is footage of blatant war crimes from the IDF. This is fanning the flames

[MarineCombatEngineer]

9. -100 nt

[DemocraticPatriot]

150. It isn't going to help President Biden to win in Michigan....

I love Fetterman and he is not going to lose my support over this issue...

but as someone who was embraced by party progressives,
I wonder whether he is going too far about "shoving in their face" this argument...


Well, I suppose it won't hurt him in Pennsylvania as much as it would in Michigan...

A word or two of concern for the civilian casualties in Gaza would not hurt---
has he spoken any such words?

Not that I am aware of, but if he has I would be glad to hear about it.

[Demsrule86]

152. In my lifetime, I have never seen international policy win or lose elections...even during the height of

Vietnam...when the baby boomers (a huge Generation came of age)...Nixon still won in 68 and 72. Both Mondale and McGovern who promised to end the war lost...despite all the protests and rhetoric.

[DemocraticPatriot]

153. In Michigan, the muslim/arab-Americans who voted for Joe Biden

were roughly equal to his margin of victory in this state in 2020...


Now their leaders are saying 'I won't vote for Joe Biden, and you shouldn't either'

It does not amount to 'international policy winning or losing elections' nationwide,
but it is a SERIOUS problem for Joe Biden in Michigan--- part of 'the blue wall'...

Yes, he could still win the election without Michigan, but that would make it much more difficult---
and sundry other states from his 2020 electoral vote margin are also in trouble
(Arizona, Georgia, Nevada, at the least)

In my opinion, President Biden should press Israel to STOP THE BOMBING---
not a 'ceasefire', but just stop the damn bombing! (and allow more humanitarian assistance into Gaza)

I HATE this damned war, it is an intrusion into our election--- and it isn't even our goddamned war!!


(Uh, Mondale wasn't a presidential candidate during the Vietnam war---
perhaps you meant Vice President Humphrey in 1968, who belatedly made pro-peace statements during that campaign?
They were both from Minnesota, so I presume you misspoke...)

[yardwork]

159. Biden is pressing Israel to stop bombing civilians.

But we're not going to abandon our only ally - and the only democracy - in the Middle East. The other countries there would immediately annihilate Israel.

It's a shame - a genuine shame - that people view this in such simplistic terms.

[MoonlightHillFarm]

155. Voting

Back in the 60’s, we couldn’t vote until we were 21. My first eligibility to vote was in 1972. We might have made more of a dent if we were able to vote at 18.

[yardwork]

12. The Biden administration is doing that.

I think there's a lot of pressure being put on Netanyahu. It's not a simple issue, though. We can't simply rip away aid from our closest ally - and the only democracy - in the Middle East. A lot of Israelis despise Netanyahu but Hamas's ongoing attacks make it difficult to call for another election right now. It's a mess but fortunately Biden's approach is wise and measured.

Meanwhile, Fetterman's actions seem to be in defiance of the ugly antisemitic protests that are fueled by Russian troll farms. He's making it clear that he's not intimidated by their bullying. Good on him.

[nocoincidences]

13. And they're here!

Right on cue.

[Martin68]

68. "And they're here, right on cue." Just like the them that assume anyone criticizing Israeli actions are "Hamas

supporters.” Right on cue.

[jimfields33]

29. Are you kidding?

They are interrupting his personal home and space. I’m thrilled he did this. Israel has been most careful in this war. Much more then most countries would have been in similar circumstances.

[Diraven]

55. Really?

More civilians have been killed in Gaza in 4 months than in almost 2 years of war in Ukraine.

[Arazi]

69. Because Hamas has deliberately placed civilians in the battlefield

They’ve deliberately put their HQ, hostages, ammunition, firing positions etc right in the middle of civilian areas including schools, hospitals, apartment complexes, and mosques.

They wear civilian clothing making the terrorists/combatants indistinguishable from civilians ensuring civilians will also die in the crossfire.

They refuse to allow civilians into the tunnels to shelter them from attack.

They’ve re-instituted suicide bombings which definitely means Israeli soldiers will take a “shoot first, ask questions” later with virtually every encounter with Palestinians who are acting strange.

This is a war. It sucks. Every war has different calculations and costs. Hamas has built their entire strategy around the loss of civilians and the historic global revulsion at Israel/Jews. There isn’t a comparable urban warfare example for what Hamas is doing. Even Stalingrad and Malta fail. The stunning fact that Hamas wants their people to die and has created a strategy to ensure that happens is fairly unprecedented

[uponit7771]

157. No they haven't, Bibi could care less about Palestinians

[ColinC]

102. Just as some folks are seething from this comment because we all don't agree on everything...

Plenty are seething from Fetterman for the same reason. That being said, those who don’t like what you said are just fine to me even though I probably agree with you. Same with Fetterman. His supporting Israel -however naive I feel it is, will never change the fact I think he is awesome.

And quite frankly much of what I think is great about him is he doesn’t give a fuck whether people like what he says. He will still (quite literally) shout it from a rooftop.

[Dorian Gray]

115. Our leaders

have been working on a potential 2 month ceasefire which will return 100 hostages back to Israel, a 2 month pause in fighting and ensure supplied and medicine into Gaza. So our leaders have been doing what's right despite the protestors.

[debm55]

119. They were at his HOME with his wife and kids. If they want to protest, protest in Oakland or Pittsburgh. The worst

killing of Jews in the US happened not far from John's home. Where were these people at the Tree of Life murder?

[betsuni]

129. Why would anyone assume Fetterman or other leaders don't empathize with Palestinians?

[WENSTJDON]

10. This makes me smile.

I love John Fetterman. One of the best Senators we have. 😊

[Ms. Toad]

14. Please dont' create inflammatory headlines out of whole cloth.

The tweet says zero about Hamas, nor does the chant in the xeet, nor any of the images in the tweet.

Pro-Palestinians is not the same as being Pro-Hamas.

[BannonsLiver]

16. Lol

🙄

[yardwork]

18. Riiiiiiiight.

I think the subject line is right on target. And it's not what is inflammatory here.

Personally, listening to these ridiculous chants cosplaying 60s protests makes me want to barf. They sound like children playing dress up. I can't imagine trusting these people's judgment on anything.

[Ms. Toad]

30. Please identify a single word or image in the quoted content

connecting the pro-palestinian protestors to Hamas. I read the tweet and watched the video. Nothing suggests they are pro-Hamas.

If you don't like the protests, that's fine. But be honest in describing your concern. It is inflammatory to call them pro-Hamas when their protests are directed to the excessive bombing of Palestinians, not to supporting Hamas.

I know a number of both Israelis and Palestinians - including many who know both Israeli hostages and Palestinians who have been killed. With only a single possible exception, every single one believes the Netanyahu's response is grossly disproportionate to the Oct 7 attack, and the Israelis, in particular, feel Netanyahu is more focused on vengeance than on recovering the hostages. The one of my friends who is the possibe exception is advocating for release of the hostages, and is close enough to know some of them, but have remained silent as to Netanyahu's response.

[yardwork]

40. Their support for Hamas is self-evident in context.

[tritsofme]

42. It's quite interesting that some seem more offended that Hamas supporters are described as such

than a Democratic senator being slurred as a genocide supporter.

Quite interesting indeed….

[yardwork]

50. I think a lot of people have lost a lot of credibility.

And I mean, a LOT of people. An entire so-called progressive movement is revealed to be morally bankrupt, easily led, and most damning of all, ultimately foolish and unserious.

Sad, really.

[betsuni]

88. It's about time!

It was obvious from the beginning, now more people can see it.

[Nixie]

106. Yes! Their wheelhouse is as shallow as it gets.

[Ms. Toad]

43. How?

Supporting Palestinians and advocating that Netanyahu stop the mass killings of them has absolutely nothing to do with supporting a terrorist organization.

[marybourg]

53. Some of us don't see it that way. At all.

[Ms. Toad]

58. Have you interviewed these people to ascertain that they support Hamas?

If not, it is dishonest - and deliberately inflammatory - to describe them that way.

It is not a matter of how you see it. You may believe that Israel is justified in its response - but believing that Netanyahu is engaging in grossly disproportionate response that targets innocent people living in Gaza does not mean that those who hold that belief suppor terrorists.

It is the same as insisting that those who oppose death penalty (a response to murder) are pro-murder.

[yardwork]

62. I think you are out of line.

You're all over this thread accusing people of being dishonest and inflammatory, and demanding that we answer question after question.

Many of these pro-Palestinian rallies specifically praise HAMAS. At UNC-Chapel Hill in November, a pro-Palestinian speaker praised the October 7 HAMAS terrorists and said it was "a beautiful day." She went on to say that all of Palestine was celebrating this event.

There are many other examples of similarly clear and unequivocal statements by pro-HAMAS protesters. THEY are not confused about this. They keep telling us that they support and celebrate HAMAS. For some reason you don't want to believe them. I'm taking them at their word.

[Ms. Toad]

71. I'm not talking about many of them.

I am talking about the specific accusations leveled at the Fetterman protestors. The existence of some pro-Hamas protestors does not turn all pro-Palestinian protestors (or specifically these) into supporters of terrorism.

Calling any pro-Palestinian protestor (and specifically these about whom I have seen zero evidence that they support Hamas) is inflammatory. If you don't like your actions described as inflammatory, don't engage in inflammatory actions.

As for accusing anyone of being dishonest, I have done nothing of the sort. I have asked anyone asserting that this specific group of pro-Palestinian supporters to provide evidence of that - either something in the Xeet, or the video, or by having actually spoken with these protestors.

Again - do you have any evidence at all that this group of pro-Palestinian protestors supports Hamas? If not, it is inflammatory to accuse them of supporting terrorists

[Dorian Gray]

137. Unfortunately

they're tarred by the actions of others.

And targeting someone at home seems inflammatory in and of itself. They're only doing it bc they know he's supportive of Israel, and they don't like that. Does he not have the right to support Israel's defenses without being accused of being a genocide supporter?

[Ms. Toad]

140. As members of the party which purportedly values the truth,

We need to be careful not to engage in false inflammatory rhetoric. You can be troubled by how those particular protesters are expressing their opinions, and even speak out about it, without picking up the tar bucket, a brush, and a bag of feathers. Had the OP not chosen to do so, I would not have said a word.

Targeting Fetterman for lobbying, or even protest, is appropriate. He isn't just someone whose opinion differs from theirs - his hand is on the strings of the country's purse and he is supporting taking money from our collective purse to provide Netanyahu with the means to continue killing Palestinians.

As to how the protesters express their opinions, I don't think targeting someone at home is a good tactic - and is not the way I would choose to communicate my opinions. Lobbing the charge of genocide is also inflammatory, and is not a productive way to win someone over to your side.

[Dorian Gray]

146. Agree with that

and I think we're in the place where people are getting so far into their "side" in this matter, that they're not able to be flexible enough to see that space where dialogue and change can actually happen.

[speak easy]

67. A permanent ceasefire

which leaves Hamas in charge of Gaza is pro-Hamas. That, and the withdrawal of Israeli troops is literally what Hamas is demanding . If you are supporting Hamas' demands then you are supporting Hamas.

[Ms. Toad]

73. Advocating that Netanyahu not kill tens of thousands of innocent people

is not inherently pro-Hamas, any more than opposing the death penalty is supporting murder.

[speak easy]

74. That is not the demand.

The demand is for a permanent ceasefire.

[Ms. Toad]

76. Please provide evidence that this particular group

is demanding a permanent ceasefire.

I just reread the Xeet and watched it again to make sure I didn't miss anything - nothing in the Xeet, or the video demands a permanent ceasefire - let alone a ceasefire which leaves Hamas in charge.

The accusation that this group is pro-Hamas seems to be a simplistic generality that there are only two options (do nothing or bomb Gaza into oblivion) and based on a lot of assumptions that are not universally true about all protestors (let alone this group) or about all of those who believe that killing tens of thousands of Palestinians - many of whom are children - is not an acceptable response to October 7,

[Ms. Toad]

77. Please provide evidence that this particular group

is demanding a permanent ceasefire.

I just reread the Xeet and watched it again to make sure I didn't miss anything - nothing in the Xeet, or the video demands a permanent ceasefire - let alone a ceasefire which leaves Hamas in charge.

The accusation that this group is pro-Hamas seems to be a simplistic generality that there are only two options (do nothing or bomb Gaza into oblivion) and based on a lot of assumptions that are not universally true about all protestors (let alone this group) or about all of those who believe that killing tens of thousands of Palestinians - many of whom are children - is not an acceptable response to October 7,

[speak easy]

84. The protestors were calling for an immediate ceasefire.

If they countenanced a resumption of hostilities if the senior civil and military leadership of Hamas did not leave Gaza, they would be one of the few. More likely, they haven't given much thought to it at all.

[Dorian Gray]

116. Just today

there were protestors outside of Temple Emanu-El in Manhattan (after a memorial service to Henry Kissinger) threatening to burn down homes. While I understand that antipathy toward Kissinger... harassing and threatening civilians in this manner is anti-semitic and wrong.

[Ms. Toad]

117. Is this thrad about the protestors outside of Temple-El?

If not, it has nothing to do with this thread - or the question I asked about the evidence that these particular protestors - accused of being pro-Hamas by the OP, even though nothing in the Xeet (including the video) suggests they are pro-Hamas.

[Dorian Gray]

136. People support Fetterman's actions

bc they remember the most violent voices of the Pro-Palestinian protestors.

When they threaten to burn down homes in one city.... and harass restaurants in other cities... when those protestors aligned with them go to Fetterman's home... people think: GOOD FOR HIM.

(In other words, the actions of these protests are alienating a lot of people... especially as the USA is CURRENTLY working out and pushing a 2 month ceasefire agreement.)

[Ms. Toad]

141. Not even remotely related to the issue I raised.

The OP claimed, contrary to any evidence I can find, that these specific protesters are pro-Hamas. So far, not a single person has provided a whit of evidence to support that inflammatory rhetoric about these protesters.

If you don't like the actions of these particular protesters, you can express that opinion honestly - without engaging in inflammatory rhetoric and name-calling. In theory, we are the party to whom truth matters

[tritsofme]

20. I think the Hamas supporters stalking a Democratic senator at his home and accusing him of supporting genocide

is what is inflammatory here. But that’s just me.

[Ms. Toad]

28. Please identify a single word or image in that tweet which identifies the protestors

as Hamas supporters.

I read the tweet and watched the video. There is zero connection.

[TeamProg]

36. +1 !!! The OP is dis-honest as F. nt

[Cha]

94. No.. you're Wrong. Check out Post #26

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=18631631

[W_HAMILTON]

22. Then maybe they should be protesting Hamas as fervently as they are Israel for responding to Hamas's attacks?

Hell, maybe they should have been doing that all along, in which case maybe there would have been no Hamas to launch the attacks on October 7th that led to this war in the first place?

[Ms. Toad]

27. Hmm. I assume you've interviewed everyone in that crowd, then?

Assuming you have, and know - for a fact - that they are not protesting Hamas, there is far more injustice in the world that any single person can protest. People are allowed to pick and choose where to spend their protest time and energy - even if you believe it is misplaced, or that they should be doing more.

By the way, I assume since you believe there is an obligation to protest all heinous activity that you are protesting Netanyahyu's action at least equally - or, better yet, in proportion to the harm each has done.

[jimfields33]

31. And senator fetterman is free to do the same.

This was so awesome of him. He’s the best!

[Ms. Toad]

41. I never suggested he wasn't. n/t

[obamanut2012]

79. When did Ms Toad say otherwise?

[W_HAMILTON]

121. I read their comments/posts, hear their chants, and see interviews with them.

The next time I see them full-throatedly criticize Hamas will be the first.

And don't give me that excuse that "there is only so much one can protest," blah, blah, blah -- this is the very thing they should be protesting since it is the root cause of what they are protesting to begin with!

[Ms. Toad]

130. Please point me to the posts from THESE protesters.

Or the chants by THESE protesters supporting Hamas. The accusation the OP made was that THESE protesters were pro-Hamas. I se absolutely no evidence that THESE protesters are pro-Hamas.

Making baseless inflammatory accuse a specific group of protesters based on the actions or beliefs of others is like tarring all Black Lives Matter protesters as vandals and theives because a few people - most who were not associated with BLM at all took advantage of the movement to engage in vandalism and theft.

So I assume you are protesting Netanyahu's actions then. After all, you aren't allowed to pick and choose what violence you protest. It is ridiculous to insist that protests are an all or nothing proposition.

[JohnSJ]

34. Exactly. In fact shortly after October 7th, just the opposite was happening such as the following:

The Oakland City council refused to condemn the Hamas October 7th attack, but have no problem in their support of Hamas.

This is an article from November 27, 2023:

"Comments made at an Oakland City Council meeting this week are going around the world in a viral video.

The council refused to condemn Hamas for its attack on Israel on Oct.7, but what has social media buzzing is comments made in support of the terrorist organization.

“I support the right of Palestinians to resist occupation, including through Hamas, the armed wing of the unified Palestinian resistance,” said a community member.

That was just one of the comments from Monday’s Oakland City Council meeting. It all started with a resolution to support a cease-fire in the Israel-Hamas war.

But, then came an amendment to condemn Hamas from Councilmember Dan Kalb.

“How anybody in the public could think that is legitimate resistance, that’s just nuts! You gotta be crazy to think that!” he said.

"Calling Hamas a terrorist group is racist and plays into the genocidal propaganda that is flooding our media and we should be doing everything possible to combat," said a person at Monday's meeting.

Gov. Gavin Newsom weighed in on X saying, “Hamas is a terrorist organization. They must be called out for what they are: evil.”

https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/east-bay/oakland-city-council-meeting-comments-viral/3384954/

[Cha]

108. Rec.. Exactly. TY That's what I say.. If these Stalkers &

Harassers of Jewish People really wanted a "Ceasefire" they would be out in the Streets Yelling for HAMAS to Stop War they Started.

Give up the Hostages they stole from Israel and lay down their fucking Rockets.

Link to tweet

[EllieBC]

127. Gee where are all the excuse makers now?

Every time someone says the protesters aren’t antisemitic, just show them that tweet. Liars. They hate Jews and it’s as simple as that.

[betsuni]

132. These people are dangerously hateful, out of their minds.

It's frightening. They should try terrorism as a career, they'd be good at it.

[question everything]

19. Not many around who really stand by principles.

[Demobrat]

21. Pro-Hamas?

I have stayed out of these threads, but come on. Who the heck is pro-Hamas? Anti Palestinian genocide, okay, but pro-Hamas? That’s just inflammatory.

[Autumn]

23. The tweet clearly says Pro Palestine. I'm pro Palestine but I guess here I must be pro Hamas.

This is a disgusting lie by the OP. Fetterman didn't wave his flag at Pro Hamas protesters, he waved it at people protesting for the people of Palestine who are being slaughtered.

[tritsofme]

24. I think it's inflammatory to stalk a Democratic senator at home and shout silly chants accusing him of being a genocide

supporter.

They certainly have the right to do so under the First Amendment, just as I have the right to consider these Hamas fan club members to be pieces of shit.

[W_HAMILTON]

25. Much less inflammatory than calling people that support Israel's right to defend itself as pro-genocide.

I hear people that defend Israel's right to defend itself also criticize them when appropriate and plead for them to use as much restraint as possible in this war, but I never heard the """Genocide Joe""" crowd ever go after Hamas in a similar vein.

So, that's why they get labeled as Pro-Hamas.

[lapucelle]

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[Ace Rothstein]

44. You brought the receipts.

[lapucelle]

48. That's only some of the receipts.

[Hekate]

85. +1,000 lapucelle. Deserves to be brought out numerous times.

[Cha]

86. Nah.. It's REALITY.

[yardwork]

96. There are numerous links in this thread to pro-HAMAS statements.

As difficult as it may be to believe, quite a number of protesters are specifically and unequivocally pro-HAMAS. They are celebrating the torture, rape and murder of Israeli civilians on October 7. I mean, they use the word "celebrate" and they state that they are not apologetic.

[SarahD]

32. Well, OK I guess...

Makes it appear he might support the Netanyahu plan involving the "river to the sea" slogan. Maybe he does. I have friends who line up that way, and some even more so. One or two of them would just as soon kill all Palestinians, maybe offering them the opportunity to flee Gaza first. "Leave or die" seems quite reasonable to them. Of course, I have other friends who would like to offer the same choice to the Jews, except some of them might allow Israelis ten minutes before opening fire. Yeah, my Palestinian friends tend to be a little more strident than my Jewish friends. Anyway, most people I know fall somewhere in the middle and hope for a peaceful solution. They don't demonstrate and they don't fly flags because they don't want to inflame tensions. Good luck to them.

[lapucelle]

54. Did I misunderstand? You have friends who would like to kill Palestinians and/or Jews? N/T

[Calculating]

57. That's not uncommon

Some people I know think Israel is being soft on them. They would have just carpet bombed Gaza with b52s and told the Palestinians that they have a week to leave or die.

[BannonsLiver]

126. You've definitely made it clear you find the concept of a country defending itself not worth pursuing

In the other thread you seemed to be at least indirectly advocating for Ukraine’s surrender and the inevitable Russian occupation of the entire country that would follow. I would assume that would also apply to any country Putin invaded in the future, in the (unlikely) event that ever came to pass.


I can certainly appreciate some aspects of pacifism but the “I’m going to have a lie down while you kill or subjugate me” part of it is not one of them.

[SarahD]

59. Maybe. Not sure.

They talk that way sometimes. I assume they might not do the killing themselves, but they might support killing done by others. It's difficult to know when emotions run high.

[lapucelle]

60. Senator Fetterman was clear about his support of both Israel and a two state solution

during the 2022 Democratic primary for the senate run.

Now that folks know that he favors a two state solution, they no longer have to wonder aloud whether Senator Fetterman *supports the Netanyahu plan*.

https://jewishinsider.com/2022/04/john-fetterman-says-hell-lean-in-on-u-s-israel-relationship-as-senator/

[SarahD]

65. That was then. This is now.

I assume he still backs a two state solution, but he said that before the current conflict.

[lapucelle]

72. There's at least one member of Congress who is against a two state solution,

but it isn't Senator Fetterman. He reaffirmed his commitment to a two state solution on Thursday.

In a statement to Business Insider, a Fetterman spokesman reiterated the Pennsylvania Democrat's support for a two-state solution in Israel and Palestine, but said that he "strongly believes that this resolution should include language stipulating the destruction of Hamas as a precondition to peace."

https://www.businessinsider.in/politics/world/news/john-fetterman-and-joe-manchin-decline-to-back-resolution-supporting-a-2-state-solution-to-the-israeli-palestinian-conflict/articleshow/107127101.cms

[TeamProg]

33. Be honest! ""waves Israel 🇮🇱 flag in front of pro-Palestinian protesters in front of his home"" Nothing in the TweeX

about "Pro-Hamas" protesters..

And we ask ourselves where honesty and civility have gone..

[tritsofme]

35. I believe my description is much more accurate than these scum bags slur of Fetterman as a genocide supporter.

[TeamProg]

38. Belief has nothing to do with it. It's a matter of accuracy and honesty. Changing the heading to match your personal

belief tells us all a great deal.

[tritsofme]

39. Threads like this are revealing, that's for sure.

[tritsofme]

47. I think the Hamas groupies slurring Fetterman as a genocide supporter and stalking him at his home are low

About as low as it gets.

[Mossfern]

51. Have any of the pro Palestinian protestors

denounced Hamas?

I sure as hell would distance myself from any of those "on my side" who are pro Likud and right wing Israeli politics..

That's the difference. If they are not Hamas supporters, let them proclaim that loud and clear.

[yardwork]

63. No. They keep praising HAMAS.

They are literally shouting their support for HAMAS. For some reason some folks find this hard to believe.

[Autumn]

66. They are protesting for a ceasefire to get humanitarian aid through to Gaza. Hila Kohen with Jewish Voice For Peace

had this to say.

Palestinian supporters protest Fetterman’s support for Israel, demand the Pa. senator calls for immediate ceasefire



“Fetterman, why won’t you listen to your Palestinian constituents whose families are being slaughtered in our name with your money and with your approval? For shame,” Kohen said.

Anissa Weinraub was one of hundreds protesting Fetterman’s stance and U.S. involvement with the conflict, saying a ceasefire needs to happen now.

“We need to restore the most basic level of humanitarian aid so that we can alleviate the suffering and prevent thousands more deaths,” Weinraub said. “That is within our ability and that could happen today… Fetterman’s not listening, and so we had to come and put our bodies on the line to tell him that he needs to listen.”

https://whyy.org/articles/palestinian-supporters-protest-senator-john-fetterman-philadelphia/

They are not Pro Hamas as the op changed the tweet to read , they are pro humanitarians asking him to support a ceasefire.

[OilemFirchen]

75. U.S. aid to Palestine has not been reduced.

Do you agree with Ms. Weinraub?

[Autumn]

80. Nobody said U.S. aid to Palestine was reduced. Try reading it again. nt

[OilemFirchen]

92. The rudeness never ends with you.

From your post, with my emphasis:

“We need to restore the most basic level of humanitarian aid so that we can alleviate the suffering and prevent thousands more deaths,” Weinraub said. “That is within our ability and that could happen today… Fetterman’s not listening, and so we had to come and put our bodies on the line to tell him that he needs to listen.”

U.S. aid to Gaza continues at the same rate as before. What would you and she have Fetterman do?

[Autumn]

138. My rudeness? Sure, whatever you say. Here.

Nothing about US aid in there and every thing you cut and posted from my post is true.

https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-war-news-01-15-2024-2092ae0d8a4f57aa969e661c4da5ed8a

RAFAH, Gaza Strip (AP) — Gaza urgently needs more aid or its desperate population will suffer widespread famine and disease, the heads of three major U.N. agencies warned Monday, as authorities in the enclave reported that the death toll in the Israel-Hamas war had surpassed 24,000.

While the U.N. agency chiefs did not directly point a finger at Israel, they said aid delivery is hobbled by the opening of too few border crossings, a slow vetting process for trucks and goods going into Gaza, and continuing fighting throughout the territory — all of which Israel plays a deciding factor in.

Israel’s war against Hamas in Gaza, sparked by the militant group’s Oct. 7 attack on southern Israel, has prompted unprecedented destruction in the tiny coastal enclave and triggered a humanitarian catastrophe that has displaced most of Gaza’s 2.3 million population and pushed more than a quarter into starvation, according to the U.N.

[edisdead]

123. Are you ok?

You literally said that aid needed to be restored. That infers that aid has been interrupted.

I mean… like, that is what you wrote.

[Autumn]

139. That is a fact. Humanitarian relief is not raining down on the people of Gaza. It's trickling in and not enough.

https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-war-news-01-15-2024-2092ae0d8a4f57aa969e661c4da5ed8a

RAFAH, Gaza Strip (AP) — Gaza urgently needs more aid or its desperate population will suffer widespread famine and disease, the heads of three major U.N. agencies warned Monday, as authorities in the enclave reported that the death toll in the Israel-Hamas war had surpassed 24,000.

While the U.N. agency chiefs did not directly point a finger at Israel, they said aid delivery is hobbled by the opening of too few border crossings, a slow vetting process for trucks and goods going into Gaza, and continuing fighting throughout the territory — all of which Israel plays a deciding factor in.

Israel’s war against Hamas in Gaza, sparked by the militant group’s Oct. 7 attack on southern Israel, has prompted unprecedented destruction in the tiny coastal enclave and triggered a humanitarian catastrophe that has displaced most of Gaza’s 2.3 million population and pushed more than a quarter into starvation, according to the U.N.

As for me, me and my conscience are fine.

[womanofthehills]

98. Protesters block Kerem Shalom crossing despite US demands Demonstrators, including families of hostages, are once again

Citizens blocking aid again.

[OilemFirchen]

100. Whatta word salad!

Anyway, what would you have Senator Fetterman do about that?

[Mossfern]

89. Israel has proposed a 2 month cease fire for just that reason.

Hamas turned it down.

[Autumn]

91. And Israel turned down Hama's offer of a cease fire on Jan 22. Let's don't pretend that only one side is stopping

humanitarian aid and want's the war to continue.

[Mossfern]

93. What were the terms for the Hamas proposed cease fire?

n/t

[Autumn]

97. I didn't bother to continue reading to find out. What I see is neither side is interested in peace.

[Mossfern]

99. I *did* google and *read* the proposal

Hamas's proposal required a permanent cease fire.
On October 7th a cease fire was in effect - they broke it.
Hamas has a habit of breaking cease fires.

I do recommend that you read the Hamas proposal.
Even the ICJ didn't ask for a cease fire.

[Arazi]

109. Hamas also demanded they stay in power permanently

That’s just a total nonstarter.

Hamas AND Netanyahu must go

[sarisataka]

101. Allow me

Hamas terms were a full ceasefire and release of all know hostages.
In return, Israel would fully withdraw from Gaza, release all Palestinians and any held related to October 7 were specifically included in those to be released.

IOW, Hamas offered to go back to October 6 excepting that Israel would release every terrorist and other detainee.

A shorter summary is they gave Israel the opportunity to surrender.

[Autumn]

105. Netanyahu never should have kept Hamas in power. Unfortunately for the Palestinian people he and Hamas

had the same goal. To avoid a two state solution.

[Lucky Luciano]

70. In Chicago, The day after the massacre of innocent civilians on Oct 7,...

…there were massive waves of people in cars flying the Palestinian flag. They were clearly exuberant, joyous, and inspired. Grant park near the skate park at the south end of the park there was a huge graffiti sign “free Palestine.”

The obvious take is that pro Palestinian folks found the Oct 7 attacks to be inspirational. If that is inspirational, then you are pro Hamas by definition. Furthermore, anyone who is pro Hamas deserves the bombs that might land on their house.

If ordinary Palestinian civilians or the locals here in Chicago said, “we do feel Palestinians are unfairly treated by the Israelis, but the acts of Hamas were absolute Genghis Khan style barbarity that does not represent us and we abhor their actions” then I might call them pro Palestinian.

[RandomNumbers]

82. Very well said. Thank you. nt.

[FlyingPiggy]

37. LOVE IT & love Fetterman!! Take this proHamas crap outta here! Ridiculous that ANYONE can de proHamas.

[TeamProg]

46. The TweeX heading says "pro-Palestinian demostrators" not "Pro-Hamas".. The post's headline is an outright lie.

[Cha]

103. So? It's Not a "lie".. it's actually

a more Accurate Description of those who yell Vermin Vermin .at our US Sen Fetterman who stands up for Israel.

And, Accusing him of "Genocide".. Assholes don't know what "genocide" is.

[TheKentuckian]

143. It is the truth regardless of what the post said.

Sometimes what is labeled as parading is just whitewashing participation in an insurrection against the United States of America or being called Peace protestors when what the actual aim is Ukrainian surrender to Putin.

A rose by any other name is still a rose or in this case turds by any other name are still shit.

[Igel]

49. How Trumpian of them.

Dehumanizing a human being by calling him "vermin."

I have to wonder if they think that "Fetterman" is a surnamed marked for "Jewish".


As for "genocide," I've pointed out before how the IDF is apparently a bunch of bumbling, incompetent idiots when it comes to genociding a people if genocide is their intent.

[tritsofme]

83. These people are at the very least implicit Trump supporters.

Taunting and slurring Democrats like President Biden and Senator Fetterman as genocide supporters makes it very obvious.

[TeamProg]

52. The world will decide in the long run, not us.

[nocoincidences]

56. Holocaust Memorial Day, today.

It is disgusting that these POS demonstrators have no respect for what that means to Jewish people and their supporters.

Stupid immoral people!

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

61. You go John

Bothering people in their homes is what the KKKers did.

If these folks feel sorry for the Palestinians they're choosing a rather thuggish way of going about it.

[sarisataka]

64. I find the chants at these rallys ironic

As they say "X can't hide..." while many of them wear masks or other face coverings

[marybourg]

110. Meanwhile, not only is he NOT hiding,

he’s waving an Israeli flag at them!

[yardwork]

111. They can't think of another rhyme for genocide.

Putin hasn't updated the script and they can't think for themselves, so...

[peggysue2]

78. If the protesters thought they were going to intimidate Fetterman? Or rethink his support?

They picked the wrong, wrong person.

And when it comes to pushback? Fetterman's a master.

Wrong place, wrong time and definitely the wrong guy.

[betsuni]

134. They don't even know who Fetterman is, I'm sure. A Democrat: The Enemy, that's it.

[Mosby]

87. Here they are screaming at people leaving synagogue.

Link to tweet

/mediaviewer

[yardwork]

90. That's not at all antisemitic or anything. /sarcasm

[Cha]

104. Assholes Need to Talk To HAMAS IF they Really

wanted a "ceasefire".

All these Jewish People they're Harassing and Stalking have Nothing to do with Stopping the War.. This is All on HAMAS That Refuses Even a Humanitarian 2 month Pause.

[WDLAL]

113. That isn't protesting.

That's harassment by a sick group of people.

[betsuni]

95. Fetterman intimidated by people who don't know what genocide means and think "ceasefire" is a magic word?

HA!

[Cha]

125. Yes, it's the Twilight Zone. Sen Fetterman Gets

Harassed and stalked by those who call him "Vermin Vermin" and we're suppose to believe they "aren't Anti-Semitic" or Pro HAMAS..

[betsuni]

135. Vermin, like "genocide" and "ceasefire" is now one of the redefined magic words used to

attack Democrats, and, like, is totally innocent.

[Cha]

142. Yeah according to some who would

tell you to believe them or your lying eyes.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

107. Fetterman is growing on me

[yardwork]

112. I liked the way he ran his campaign.

He ran a kick ass campaign, using plain language to reach ordinary people. Fetterman broke out of the inside the beltway, Ivy League dominated policy wonkish campaign model that Democrats have used for decades. It's not what people want to hear.

I am convinced that Biden won the 2020 election because of his plain talk. When he said "shut up man" to Trump I cheered.

[Cha]

114. "At one point, Supervisor Matt Dorsey mentioned the New York Times' two-month investigation into how Hamas weaponized

At one point, Supervisor Matt Dorsey mentioned the New York Times’ two-month investigation into how Hamas weaponized sexual violence against Israeli women on Oct. 7, and Palestinian supporters started yelling, “Lies!”

Excerpt from ..

'A trauma upon a trauma': Denial of Oct. 7 sexual violence haunts local survivors

https://democraticunderground.com/100218632134#top

[Sugarcoated]

120. This alone will easily get him reelected in Pennsylvania

[Kennah]

122. My, God, Damned, Hero

[AZLD4Candidate]

124. Yet Jews getting slaughtered are OKAY to these anti-semites.

Go Big John! LOVE this man!

[Eko]

128. When they start gaslighting you so that supporting Palestinian civilians not being killed is the same thing

as supporting Hamas you know you are winning and they are loosing.
Eko.

[yardwork]

158. It's not gaslighting. I've been told over and over that Hamas is wonderful.

Speakers on college campuses state that they are celebrating the October 7 attack, that it was a "beautiful day."

These things are entwined. One side is jumping up and down saying that they are happy that Hamas raped, tortured, murdered, and kidnapped civilians on October 7, and a group of Americans is trying to pretend that they don't really mean that.

They do mean that. Believe them. It's condescending not to believe what they're saying. Take them at their word.

[Eko]

161. I 100% dont support Hamas.

But I also don't support Palestinian civilians being killed. Does that make me a Hamas supporter?

[yardwork]

162. If you don't support Hamas, why do you need to ask?

You don't support Hamas. Period.

I don't support Hamas, either, and I also don't support thousands of Palestinians being killed. I'm opposed to both those things, too. Most people - including the Biden administration - agree with us about this.

However, there are people who DO support Hamas, quite loudly and unapologetically. They say so, and I believe them.

[BlueTsunami2018]

131. I love Big John.

I was a fan of his long before he was even a statewide figure. When he offered that smug asshole Nick Gillespie out on Real Time, I was hooked.

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[Mike Nelson]

133. Couple things about the clip...

... unless I missed a huge news story, Fetterman does not support genocide. Also, are the demonstrators "pro-Hamas"? I wasn't sure from the clip... if they are, they may be very naive.

[Mountainguy]

144. Idiots

Chanting "You can't hide" as he literally stands in front of them in full view.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

145. Your weekly reminder that some heroes actually do wear capes 👑

Link to tweet

[Cha]

147. Oh Wow! TY, LMPV

[tritsofme]

149. Womp womp. Fetterman is a national treasure, and a great Democrat.

[Cha]

154. Rec.. TY!

[question everything]

156. I am curious where they are. Thanks for posting

[tritsofme]

160. I believe it is in the Senate office space.

[AkFemDem]

151. Hahaha I love him so much

He’s gone full honey badger .