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moonshinegnomie

(4,019 posts)
Mon Jan 29, 2024, 05:15 PM Jan 2024

trucker convoy gets a few dozen instead on the700,000 they

Paranoia about federal entrapment is looming large over the “Take Our Border Back” convoy, which departed Virginia Beach Monday morning and plans to arrive in Texas later this week.

By noon Monday, after a few hours on the road, the convoy had amassed just a few dozen participants—so far, predominantly men over the age of 60. The convoy’s promoters promised over 700,000 participants.



https://www.vice.com/en/article/wxjygb/trucker-convoy-texas-border-standoff-conspiracy-theories-dooming-protest


they have a new conspiracy to blame for it. they think the convoy is actually an FBI trap.

“All i’m gonna say to the people who are going to the border: don’t get caught in another January 6th event and do dumb shit to get entrapped by your corrupt government,”


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trucker convoy gets a few dozen instead on the700,000 they (Original Post) moonshinegnomie Jan 2024 OP
Ha Ha Ha! Easterncedar Jan 2024 #1
And these people want shithole and cult to run the country........................ Lovie777 Jan 2024 #2
Most true truckers, like myself, view these assholes with contempt, MarineCombatEngineer Jan 2024 #3
So how much would it cost you to drive your tractor (sans trailer) from Norfolk, VA to the border ... Botany Jan 2024 #5
nothing. mexico will pay for it moonshinegnomie Jan 2024 #7
Oh there's a DU'zy! ms liberty Jan 2024 #67
Well, figure the average semi gets between 4 to 7 MPG without hauling a trailer, MarineCombatEngineer Jan 2024 #9
So around $6,400 not counting tires, oil, highway fees, insurance, taxes, food, and speed. Botany Jan 2024 #14
Correct. MarineCombatEngineer Jan 2024 #16
That's a lot of overhead for operations WA-03 Democrat Jan 2024 #17
Back in the day when I worked @ a large garden center/nursery if a supplier did not have their own... Botany Jan 2024 #21
Yeah, I forgot about the reefers, they have their own fuel tanks too. MarineCombatEngineer Jan 2024 #25
So a trucker can't call the dispatcher and refuse a load without a good explanation? Botany Jan 2024 #34
Yep, if I call my agent and tell him to call a distributor and refuse the load without a good excuse, MarineCombatEngineer Jan 2024 #41
Back in the day I had to call a nursery (supplier) about a contract driver and the owner of ... Botany Jan 2024 #51
Because of my background in the Marines, MarineCombatEngineer Jan 2024 #53
Yeah TlalocW Jan 2024 #68
Dammit, you now owe me a new laptop, MarineCombatEngineer Jan 2024 #69
Not that much of a sacrifice if God and the American Way are at stake. 3Hotdogs Jan 2024 #59
The big circles of highway are around DFW, Houston, Austin and San ANtonio yellowdogintexas Jan 2024 #73
Yeah, this Texan had to laugh at the idea of those blowhards making an impact at the Texas border. efhmc Jan 2024 #76
$6400?!?! What? A HERETIC I AM Jan 2024 #79
For that kind of money... reACTIONary Jan 2024 #82
So there are a lot of cheaper ways to make a political point, yeah? DemocraticPatriot Jan 2024 #61
I would say a bit of both. MarineCombatEngineer Jan 2024 #64
I'd say no less than... 2naSalit Jan 2024 #19
Definitely way north of $1,000 just in fuel costs alone. nt MarineCombatEngineer Jan 2024 #20
A wild guess! 2naSalit Jan 2024 #32
Yeah, the cost of fuel way back in the day was cheaper than today, plus just about every state MarineCombatEngineer Jan 2024 #44
Definitely... 2naSalit Jan 2024 #50
I saw a lot of they guys in Canada were contractor types in their work trucks when they wouldn't be working brewens Jan 2024 #29
I Wondered About That ProfessorGAC Jan 2024 #33
Maybe Ginny's funding the trip! llmart Jan 2024 #42
Certainly Possible ProfessorGAC Jan 2024 #45
Yup. Most truckers are moderates either way. Believe in science and health safety. LiberalLovinLug Jan 2024 #56
Well Said MCE !!!!!!!!!!!!! NC DENVERPOPS Jan 2024 #80
You're not using Trump math lame54 Jan 2024 #4
That was my first thought too. "Biggest convoy evah. Let's pull a number out of my ass - let's say 500, no wait 600... RussellCattle Jan 2024 #22
why would any trucker participate? BlueWaveNeverEnd Jan 2024 #6
So, those few dozen are actually FBI plants? keithbvadu2 Jan 2024 #8
Antifa FBI Beachnutt Jan 2024 #23
Oh my, those are the worst kind ! KS Toronado Jan 2024 #30
You know, these guys rely on their trucks as their livelyhood. patphil Jan 2024 #10
You are correct. MarineCombatEngineer Jan 2024 #12
As with all things in their manufactured crisis, it petered out before it got started. Torchlight Jan 2024 #11
There was another one a few years ago... Kingofalldems Jan 2024 #13
Ok then. Tell these folks election polling places are FBI traps. Raven123 Jan 2024 #15
Brilliant. shrike3 Jan 2024 #24
That would certainly scare them off. MarineCombatEngineer Jan 2024 #46
You're close. It's the actual voting that's gonna get us on the Biden list. Not answering poll questions. 3Hotdogs Jan 2024 #62
Therein lies the problem with magats SouthernDem4ever Jan 2024 #71
MAGA Minds: 70 is less than 700,000. Kid Berwyn Jan 2024 #18
Trump can call his PhD. MIT Uncle though so Captain Zero Jan 2024 #54
the folks that drove off Virginia Beach Peir this a.m. onethatcares Jan 2024 #26
SPIT TAKE k55f5r Jan 2024 #72
Meanwhile Beachnutt Jan 2024 #27
the idiot took credit for the market today moonshinegnomie Jan 2024 #55
I heard they had been raising funds through donations. Mr.Bill Jan 2024 #28
Well, you know the old saying, MarineCombatEngineer Jan 2024 #38
Crowd estimation is always on the high side with the MAGA idjuts Mr. Ected Jan 2024 #31
"Who's paying for the gas?" mymomwasright Jan 2024 #35
God isn't supporting his army? niyad Jan 2024 #36
I'm surorised they got that many stupid people Warpy Jan 2024 #37
This is a direct result of Jan. 6 prosecutions yliza Jan 2024 #39
snork. AllaN01Bear Jan 2024 #40
Antifa Convoy! LuvLoogie Jan 2024 #43
Oh nooooosssss, the evil Antifa. MarineCombatEngineer Jan 2024 #48
This is an example of why all of the talk of a civil war is nonsense. TwilightZone Jan 2024 #47
"WE GOT A CRISIS!!1!--WE GOT TO FIX IT....NEXT YEAR!!1!" tanyev Jan 2024 #49
"Do dumb shit" and you entrap yourself, dumbasses. n/t Beartracks Jan 2024 #52
they get so much publicity barbtries Jan 2024 #57
The J-6 prosecutions have proved to be a deterrent preventing DemocraticPatriot Jan 2024 #58
I can't get that song out of my head. yardwork Jan 2024 #60
Every time there's a thread about trucks a truckers, I think of this song: MarineCombatEngineer Jan 2024 #63
Band name came from a truckers magazine! Mopar151 Jan 2024 #75
Uh oh -- they gonna have Convoy Envy! Blue Owl Jan 2024 #65
Heavy trucks burn a lot of fuel swong19104 Jan 2024 #66
They're stuck at a toll gate. usonian Jan 2024 #70
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2024 #74
Hmmmmm ... lets' see... FalloutShelter Jan 2024 #77
"don't do dumb shit to get entrapped" Maru Kitteh Jan 2024 #78
Victims of their own conspiracy theories and misinformation campaigns. Martin68 Jan 2024 #81

Lovie777

(22,971 posts)
2. And these people want shithole and cult to run the country........................
Mon Jan 29, 2024, 05:20 PM
Jan 2024

again. All are much more horrible than before. We as a country would be double to triple fucked up.

MarineCombatEngineer

(18,060 posts)
3. Most true truckers, like myself, view these assholes with contempt,
Mon Jan 29, 2024, 05:20 PM
Jan 2024

we don't have time to try to foment a civil war, we're too busy trying to make a living.
We have a saying in the industry, if the wheels ain't turnin', this truck ain't earnin'
Words real truckers live by.

Botany

(77,323 posts)
5. So how much would it cost you to drive your tractor (sans trailer) from Norfolk, VA to the border ...
Mon Jan 29, 2024, 05:28 PM
Jan 2024

… @ McAllen, TX in just diesel fuel alone?

MarineCombatEngineer

(18,060 posts)
9. Well, figure the average semi gets between 4 to 7 MPG without hauling a trailer,
Mon Jan 29, 2024, 05:37 PM
Jan 2024

and the trip would be appox. 1600 to 1800 miles depending on the route taken, and semis are restricted to what roads, streets, etc are allowed on and the average national cost of diesel is appox. $3.86 a gallon, so it would be quite expensive, plus the wear and tear on the truck.

Botany

(77,323 posts)
14. So around $6,400 not counting tires, oil, highway fees, insurance, taxes, food, and speed.
Mon Jan 29, 2024, 05:48 PM
Jan 2024

And that is just one way and you would be missing out on @ least 2 or 3 contracts to
haul stuff too.

MarineCombatEngineer

(18,060 posts)
16. Correct.
Mon Jan 29, 2024, 05:54 PM
Jan 2024

I don't know how these jackwagons can afford this, but I can always pick up the loads they're missing out on and collect the money.

I have 2-150 gallon tanks on my truck and it costs me over $1,000.00 to fill up from about 1/4 full tanks plus my DEF tank I have to fill every other fueling stop.

The money adds up very quickly.

Botany

(77,323 posts)
21. Back in the day when I worked @ a large garden center/nursery if a supplier did not have their own...
Mon Jan 29, 2024, 06:07 PM
Jan 2024

… trucks and drivers and contracted it out any driver who blew off a load with out a good
reason or notice would have had a hard time picking up more work from any nursery. We
all knew each other. Btw hauling live plants is a time critical thing and the coolers for the
trailers needed fuel too.

MarineCombatEngineer

(18,060 posts)
25. Yeah, I forgot about the reefers, they have their own fuel tanks too.
Mon Jan 29, 2024, 06:16 PM
Jan 2024

I contract with WalMart also to haul their trailers and if I refuse a load, or are consistently late in picking up or delivering a load for them, they'll terminate my contract, that's why I stay on their preferred list, and they pay pretty good to haul.

Botany

(77,323 posts)
34. So a trucker can't call the dispatcher and refuse a load without a good explanation?
Mon Jan 29, 2024, 06:27 PM
Jan 2024

Btw do you own your own rig?

MarineCombatEngineer

(18,060 posts)
41. Yep, if I call my agent and tell him to call a distributor and refuse the load without a good excuse,
Mon Jan 29, 2024, 06:35 PM
Jan 2024

then I could lose the contract and the word would get out fast with the potential loss of loads from other distributors.
I do own 2 trucks, the one I pilot down the road is in my sig line and a lady friend of mine drives my other truck both of which are Peterbilt long noses.
I tend to stick to the I-5 corridor, from CA to the Canadian border and she likes doing the coast to coast runs, although I do frequently pick up the cross country loads if she is already hauling a load.

Botany

(77,323 posts)
51. Back in the day I had to call a nursery (supplier) about a contract driver and the owner of ...
Mon Jan 29, 2024, 06:45 PM
Jan 2024

… that nursery called me right back … he and his family had been doing business with the nursery I was ….
… working @ for years and apologized and told me he didn’t see that the driver in question would ever be
a problem again.

Btw I drove a bulldog box truck a few times too. As for the big rigs I could pull them up
or back them just a little but that was just about it.

MarineCombatEngineer

(18,060 posts)
53. Because of my background in the Marines,
Mon Jan 29, 2024, 06:50 PM
Jan 2024

I had no problem jumping into a semi and going down the road, I aced my CDL written and driving test the first time and I've never had a problem with my DOT Med card, at 76 yo, I' m still in excellent health.

MarineCombatEngineer

(18,060 posts)
69. Dammit, you now owe me a new laptop,
Mon Jan 29, 2024, 07:38 PM
Jan 2024

I just spit my soda all over my screen laughing.
Good one, in fact, I'd say its a DUzy.

3Hotdogs

(15,368 posts)
59. Not that much of a sacrifice if God and the American Way are at stake.
Mon Jan 29, 2024, 07:08 PM
Jan 2024

The thing of it is, what are they gonna do when they get there. In the D.C. fiasco, they spend a week or two, tying up 495 in one big circle jerk. There are no big circles of highway in Texas to drive in circles in.

yellowdogintexas

(23,694 posts)
73. The big circles of highway are around DFW, Houston, Austin and San ANtonio
Tue Jan 30, 2024, 12:11 PM
Jan 2024

none of which are near the border.

Eagle Pass is out in the middle of nowhere, in fact most of the border is very rural in Texas, except for Brownsville/Matamoros; Laredo/Nuevo Laredo and El Paso/Juarez.

Big Bend National Park and a couple of adjacent state parks lie very near the Rio Grande, so not much population there.

efhmc

(16,658 posts)
76. Yeah, this Texan had to laugh at the idea of those blowhards making an impact at the Texas border.
Tue Jan 30, 2024, 12:46 PM
Jan 2024

You think that they might at least look at the map to see how to get there.

A HERETIC I AM

(24,876 posts)
79. $6400?!?! What?
Tue Jan 30, 2024, 01:13 PM
Jan 2024

How did you arrive at that figure?

Marine combat engineer said between 4 to 7 mpg bobtailing (which is low, in this truckers experience, a modern tractor bobtailing would get closer to 10) so let’s say 7 mpg.

Norfolk to Laredo is 1673, so let’s just say 1700 to make it easy.

1700 divided by 7 = 243 gallons.

243 times 3.83 ( national diesel average) = $930

So tops we are talking $1860 in fuel round trip.

An owner operator would have to be making the high end of $3.85 per mile for the trip to come close to your figure of $6400.

But he’s right. Most truck drivers in this country have bigger things to worry about than this nonsense.

reACTIONary

(7,162 posts)
82. For that kind of money...
Tue Jan 30, 2024, 05:27 PM
Jan 2024

... you could go to the supper bowl and wave hi to Taylor Swift

 

DemocraticPatriot

(5,410 posts)
61. So there are a lot of cheaper ways to make a political point, yeah?
Mon Jan 29, 2024, 07:11 PM
Jan 2024

LOL

The organizers were a little over-optimistic, or know nothing about trucking...




2naSalit

(102,790 posts)
32. A wild guess!
Mon Jan 29, 2024, 06:26 PM
Jan 2024

I haven't had to think about it in so long, It used to take about $1100, one way, from Patterson, NJ to LAX with a full load back in the day in a different century.


MarineCombatEngineer

(18,060 posts)
44. Yeah, the cost of fuel way back in the day was cheaper than today, plus just about every state
Mon Jan 29, 2024, 06:39 PM
Jan 2024

now requires that semi's be equipped with a DEF tank to be able to operate in states.
Thanks to Pres. Biden, the cost of fuel is coming down which helps the bottom line.

 

brewens

(15,359 posts)
29. I saw a lot of they guys in Canada were contractor types in their work trucks when they wouldn't be working
Mon Jan 29, 2024, 06:20 PM
Jan 2024

anyway.

ProfessorGAC

(76,700 posts)
33. I Wondered About That
Mon Jan 29, 2024, 06:26 PM
Jan 2024

Seems to me that taking the time to drive hundreds, or even a couple thousand miles, suggests these particular truckers working very hard.
Of course MCE, we know that "nobody wants to work anymore." Their line, not mine. Except now, it applies to them.
How many truckers can afford taking a couple weeks off to make a political point? Not many, I'd guess.

ProfessorGAC

(76,700 posts)
45. Certainly Possible
Mon Jan 29, 2024, 06:40 PM
Jan 2024

Their public "fundraising" raised a whole $30k.
That doesn't seem like much for 30 or 40 truckers for a week.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,685 posts)
56. Yup. Most truckers are moderates either way. Believe in science and health safety.
Mon Jan 29, 2024, 06:59 PM
Jan 2024

Here in Canada, where the whole trucker convoy thing started, it was initially a protest by just 10% of the truckers who cross the American border and come back. They were mandated to take the vaccine to cross. Which is only about a third of all truckers in Canada. So 10% of a third of the total truck drivers.

The other 90% of that category had no problem with that requirement.

Also....news flash.....The US also required all truckers to be vaccinated to enter the US. The Trump government no less. So even if Trudeau threw caution to the wind and nixed that requirement, US border guards would have stopped them. But they of course didn't talk about that.

And then other conspiracy theorists joined the fray. It became an anti-Trudeau convoy of people, mostly men, who sympathized with the MAGA movement down south. And money from the US was flooding in for them. Turned into just a carnival of whacky COVID deniers, and fundamentalist religious cult members.

 

RussellCattle

(1,928 posts)
22. That was my first thought too. "Biggest convoy evah. Let's pull a number out of my ass - let's say 500, no wait 600...
Mon Jan 29, 2024, 06:11 PM
Jan 2024

......OK, 700 thousand patriot truckers. That's the ticket!"

patphil

(9,067 posts)
10. You know, these guys rely on their trucks as their livelyhood.
Mon Jan 29, 2024, 05:41 PM
Jan 2024

Taking a week off to play border wars in Texas ain't gonna pay the rent.

Torchlight

(6,829 posts)
11. As with all things in their manufactured crisis, it petered out before it got started.
Mon Jan 29, 2024, 05:44 PM
Jan 2024

GOP's feeding the rage machine, thus taking eyeballs off the filthy smoke and grimy mirrors they're using to prop up a melodramatic, but wholly fallacious narrative they're trying (and miserably failing) to collectively tar the Democratic party with in order to hurt Pres. Biden's reelection campaign.

Smoke and mirrors is all they have left, and cornered, they become wholly irrational, lashing out in any direction they think there's a chance.

Kingofalldems

(40,277 posts)
13. There was another one a few years ago...
Mon Jan 29, 2024, 05:45 PM
Jan 2024

that sat in Hagertown, Md. for what seemed like an eternity.

3Hotdogs

(15,368 posts)
62. You're close. It's the actual voting that's gonna get us on the Biden list. Not answering poll questions.
Mon Jan 29, 2024, 07:14 PM
Jan 2024

We gotta get the word out. Don't vote for Trump. Biden will use A.I. to track down Trump voters and fuck up our lives.


Pass it on before its too late.

SouthernDem4ever

(6,619 posts)
71. Therein lies the problem with magats
Tue Jan 30, 2024, 11:34 AM
Jan 2024

They know that Dems will follow the law while they look for ways to break it.

Kid Berwyn

(24,393 posts)
18. MAGA Minds: 70 is less than 700,000.
Mon Jan 29, 2024, 05:58 PM
Jan 2024

Don't have to have a GED or a PhD to know it's a lot less.

onethatcares

(16,992 posts)
26. the folks that drove off Virginia Beach Peir this a.m.
Mon Jan 29, 2024, 06:16 PM
Jan 2024

although they weren't in the convoy, they may have been scouts.

Beachnutt

(8,909 posts)
27. Meanwhile
Mon Jan 29, 2024, 06:17 PM
Jan 2024

the Stock market is setting records daily, unemployment is at an all time low, inflation is being tamed and fuel prices have come down dramatically.

Don't look over here look over at the Mexican border that has no illegals crossing today.

moonshinegnomie

(4,019 posts)
55. the idiot took credit for the market today
Mon Jan 29, 2024, 06:53 PM
Jan 2024

he said its the trump market because wall street knows hes a shoo in

Mr.Bill

(24,906 posts)
28. I heard they had been raising funds through donations.
Mon Jan 29, 2024, 06:20 PM
Jan 2024

The article I read said they had raised 30,000 dollars.

Mr. Ected

(9,714 posts)
31. Crowd estimation is always on the high side with the MAGA idjuts
Mon Jan 29, 2024, 06:26 PM
Jan 2024

Trump wonders how he could lose an election with so damned many people packing arenas to see him, but aside from the fact that the small venues he chooses are seldom even close to full, that's hardly an honest measure of one's electability.

mymomwasright

(444 posts)
35. "Who's paying for the gas?"
Mon Jan 29, 2024, 06:27 PM
Jan 2024

Heard a caller pose that question on sirius about an hour ago. Big trucks and lots of fuel for that trip.

Warpy

(114,615 posts)
37. I'm surorised they got that many stupid people
Mon Jan 29, 2024, 06:29 PM
Jan 2024

who apparently no longer have to work for a living.

Immigration is the way it is because the rich and corporate like it that way. Illegality keeps the new workers powerless and the quantity admitted keeps our wages low.

Republicans are better at drumming up hysteria about it. It's another reason rich men might be narly ready to pull the plug.

yliza

(207 posts)
39. This is a direct result of Jan. 6 prosecutions
Mon Jan 29, 2024, 06:30 PM
Jan 2024

We would’ve seen a lot more political violence by now if not for those prosecutions and convictions.

TwilightZone

(28,836 posts)
47. This is an example of why all of the talk of a civil war is nonsense.
Mon Jan 29, 2024, 06:42 PM
Jan 2024

They can't even arrange a truck convoy, but we're supposed to believe they're going to stage a revolution?

As soon as they discovered that Trump wasn't going to protect them from consequences, namely 1/6, the number of these clowns willing to take that chance dropped dramatically.

barbtries

(31,308 posts)
57. they get so much publicity
Mon Jan 29, 2024, 07:01 PM
Jan 2024

you'd think there were 700 million of them. disgusted with media these days.

Mopar151

(10,348 posts)
75. Band name came from a truckers magazine!
Tue Jan 30, 2024, 12:44 PM
Jan 2024

OVERDRIVE - my uncle subscribed, passed them along...

swong19104

(625 posts)
66. Heavy trucks burn a lot of fuel
Mon Jan 29, 2024, 07:19 PM
Jan 2024

People ain't got time or money to drive down to TX just to make some political hay. Those trucks go around 5 miles/gallon. Maybe a bit better if there are no trailers hitched to the cab.

Response to moonshinegnomie (Original post)

FalloutShelter

(14,464 posts)
77. Hmmmmm ... lets' see...
Tue Jan 30, 2024, 12:50 PM
Jan 2024

Their Go Fund Me page has raised $130,000 for this stunt.

Who gets the money when it fizzles?

Another RWNJ grift.

Maru Kitteh

(31,759 posts)
78. "don't do dumb shit to get entrapped"
Tue Jan 30, 2024, 12:51 PM
Jan 2024

Yeah - uh, that's not "entrapment." That's you being you in your natural environment. Criming.

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