Pro-Palestine protesters chant 'Genocide Joe' at every Biden campaign event - report

[Beastly Boy]

n the past several weeks, President Joe Biden’s presidential campaign events have been met with relentless pro-Palestine protesters, reported Politico on Monday.

At a United Auto Workers event, demonstrators interrupted the President’s speech to call for a ceasefire. The day earlier, while at an event in Virginia to campaign for abortion rights and to mark the anniversary of Roe v. Wade, protesters interrupted Biden’s speech, chanting “Genocide Joe” and “ceasefire now or no vote.” In defense of the president, Biden supporters chanted, “Four more years.”

According to the report by Politico, pro-Palestine protesters show up at every single campaign event, regardless of the topic. Event organizers have attempted to increase the selectivity of event attendees.

https://www.jpost.com/us-elections/article-784475

Every Biden event, and none at Trump events.

Things that make you go hmmm...

[Autumn]

1. Why on earth should they waste time protesting a Trump event?

He's nothing and he would love it if they did.

[The Magistrate]

9. That's A Pretty Poor Excuse For Attacking The Man Who Must Defeat Trump In November

'So much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot.'

[Autumn]

12. They aren't attacking Biden. They are attacking the slaughter of innocent people.

Your responses to me are very illumination. They rarely if ever have any thing to do with the conversation at hand. It's often just an attack on those on the Left.

[The Magistrate]

15. Crying Up 'Genocide Joe' Is Attacking Mr. Biden

Attacking Mr. Biden is assisting Trump and the christo-fascist right.

I've nothing at all against even the 'lefter than thou': I am against the stupidity and naivete they so often display. It's done harm before and may do so again.


"When idealists step forth from cloister they head straight for the gutter."

[Autumn]

17. Well Dude, it comes with the job. Biden knows that and he can handle it without any help .

[The Magistrate]

19. This Is Becoming Fun

You seem to be suggesting the protests you defend are pointless.

After all, if 'Biden can handle it without help', he hardly needs advice from people crying 'Genocide Joe has got to go!' There's no reason for them to bother: the man's got it all in hand.

Which, actually, I do think he does. I can't think of anyone current in our politics I would prefer to have in charge now.

I think people ought to stop shouting at him to no good purpose.


"There's an old joke about a traveling salesman, a farmer, and a pig with a wooden leg. I'll spare you the details, but the punchline is 'A pig THAT smart, you can't eat him all at once.'"

[Autumn]

20. People protest because it matters. I believe Biden is listening, his recent actions prove that. nt

[The Magistrate]

24. No It Doesn't

Biden's policy has remained constant from the start. It is in the interests of the United States, and of the Democratic Party, that this thing be brought to some end. The end, however, must be acceptable to an ally, as well as to it's foe. This balance is not easily struck. Removal of Hamas is essential to it, so is removal of Netanyahu from Israel's government. However the matter is settled, it must be a way which does not allow Hamas & Co. to claim they gained a thing, for that would be to proclaim atrocity a successful tool, which would positively invite repetition. The closest thing to an escape hatch is to revive the moribund PA as the recipient of any concessions, especially as regards statehood.

[Autumn]

25. Opinions are opinions. Everybody has one, some are right some are wrong. I'll stick with mine. nt

[The Magistrate]

33. What This Sort Of Demonstration Does Affect

Is the cohesion of the bloc of voters which puts Democratic Party people in office, which is at present essential to warding off a fascist dictatorship.

In matters political, I can't see much worth to opinions of people blind to this, or anything but malicious spirits of mischief in people who do see it, and carry on acting-out anyway.

[JohnSJ]

61. This is the same strategy a good number from the left pulled in 2016. In every critical

swing state in 2016, Hillary lost by less than 1%, while Jill Stein received 1% of the vote in those critical swing states.

If we depend on these protesters for 2024 we will lose. The way we will win is if DEMOCRATS, Women, minorities, and independents come out in mass to vote for Biden, and I think they will, because they realize that our Democracy is at stake.

The same elements that contributed to our losing in 2016, are here in 2024 in the guise of Cornell West, Jill Stein, Nina Turner, David Sirota, Brihana Joy Gray.

Hopefully, they won't be a factor in 2024.

[mcar]

88. One surmises they want Democrats to lose

[JohnSJ]

90. Actions do speak louder than words.

[LenaBaby61]

133. You'd be surprised ....

At too many of these fucking far left asses on Twitter saying that they WANT genocide Joe to lose the presidency ... Guess the Susan Sarandon's of Genocide Joe yellers want tRump back in what tRump will make Putin's White House. Then where would these damn fools be? Flying out of windows or drinking Novachok Kool aid, because tRump's man crush Vlad told tRump to shut those fucking protesters down for good in my, l mean in OUR country.

They keep yelling that Pres. Biden can't stop Jared Kushner's god daddy BiBi from slaughtering innocent Palestinian's.
Not that l think that the son of a bitch tRump will win in November, but how stupid can one be to blame Pres. Biden for what thieving, slumlord Jared Kushner's god daddy does in genociding Palestinian's to save his just as hideous/cristo-fascist prime minister's job = tRump's failed US mini-Hitler dictator presidency

[mcar]

135. I see young women and "Gays for Palestine"

among the varied groups of protestors. I find it hard to believe anyone could be that stupid so I have to presume they are paid agistators - kind of like the "Blacks for Trump" people behind tfg at his rallies.

[Timeflyer]

136. Having the same thought--is someone paying some of the protestors to show up, at every rally?

[Hekate]

91. I have never forgotten that slim, slim margin. Our adversaries play the game exceedingly well...

They are trying to do it again.

[JohnSJ]

92. They were definitely a factor, and I have forgotten that either. Among other things, we lost

the Supreme Court.

[kelly1mm]

71. What recent actions has the President taken that indicate he is listening to the protesters? nt

[lapfog_1]

78. The far left

How would a President, any President, impose a "cease fire"?

Even if he cuts off ALL aid to Israel, what do you think will happen? You think Israel will STOP the war on Hamas just because we stop sending them weapons or money? How exactly does that happen?

Last point, if Joe Biden did cut off all aid, thus losing the support of anyone here that supports Israel and thinks that Hamas must be destroyed, what is the most likely course of the war with Hamas?

For over a month after the beginning of the bombing campaign, everyone was begging for Israel to stop bombing and move to a targeted ground war, hopefully only killing Hamas member but no more scenes of of bomb craters, injured and dead children. Which now Israel is doing... and now we here about Israeli special forces, dressed as Palestinians enter a hospital and killed 3 top Hamas leaders... and now the far left is protesting this because "blah blah blah".

If we cut off funding, my bet is that Israel returns to almost unrestricted bombing... to finish the war faster because of the now limited weapons and money. They would NOT stop the war or do a unilateral "cease fire" (aka surrender to Hamas).

but reason doesn't enter into the thinking of the far left.

Are there ANY protests at Muslim owned businesses? Anyone calling the Hamas leaders "Genocide Ahmed"? Hamas, who stated goal is to kill every Jew in Israel... if not the world.

[Hekate]

93. Did you mean to address this to the other poster?

[LenaBaby61]

134. Too bad the 'genocide Joe' yellers ...

Forget about Hamas, who uses Palestinian's as fodder & human shields

[sheshe2]

155. Dude?

[Happy Hoosier]

172. Shifting goalposts?

Can you ever admit you were wrong?

You said they weren;t attacking Biden. When you were shown to be wrong, do you admit it? You do not. Can you understand how this looks like a less-than-forthright position? You seem to argue whatever you have to to support your position, facts be damned.

Do you care if Biden is re-elected?

[Autumn]

173. I'm not admitting I'm wrong when I'm not to make you happy. My posts about my support for President Biden

are easy to find. Look for them or not. Losing votes for Netanyahu's war is a real concern as far as I'm concerned. YMOV .

[Walleye]

29. Putin loves it

[Hekate]

85. I'm sorry for you that you utterly miss the point. They are calling Biden the vilest name possible

It will be their exceedingly bad luck if they manage to damage him so badly that he loses to Trump. Trump is announcing he will not just reinstate his Muslim Ban, but move to expel Muslims from the US — including Palestinian refugees. How’s that for a genocidal move?

I await your thoughtful reply.

[betsuni]

100. Last sentence made me:

[Hekate]

103. Irony is lost on this one, but I live in hope

So to speak

[Hekate]

86. I thank you, Sir, from the bottom of my heart for taking this on

[betsuni]

112. I also thank you!

I keep aspirin around for these occasions but your posts were so good that this time I don't need it. And thanks to everyone else too.

[LeftInTX]

57. They're a political party who has their own presidential candidate

Party for Socialism and Liberation

They have always been anti-Israel before this war.
We marched behind them at the MLK March last year.
They want to topple the Democratic Party.

They are also pro-Russian, pro-Putin. Feel Russia is oppressed

PSL did not criticize the 2022 Russian invasion, which it blamed on NATO expansion and the "plight of ethnic Russians" in the Donbas.[35] PSL supported the 2014 Russian annexation of Crimea.[36][37]

Link to tweet

https://twitter.com/votesocialist24

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

https://www.ksat.com/news/local/2024/01/31/pro-palestinian-protestors-take-to-publicly-confronting-san-antonio-city-council-members/

From a crowded restaurant to a City Hall press conference to DreamWeek events, some pro-Palestinian protestors have been turning up the heat on San Antonio City Council members with whom they are angry for not passing a cease-fire resolution regarding the Israel-Hamas War.

In videos posted in the past week to the Instagram accounts of San Antonio for Justice in Palestine and the Party for Socialism and Liberation (PSL), protestors are seen shouting at Mayor Ron Nirenberg, Councilman John Courage, and Councilwoman Phyllis Viagran during public events.

“Ron Nirenberg, you support genocide! You support apartheid!” shouts one man in a video video posted on Jan. 24 as he and others approach Nirenberg during lunch.

“F*** you, Phyllis. F*** you. Cease-fire now,” shouted one of several people interrupting a Jan. 27 sustainability symposium hosted by the District 3 council office.

[lapfog_1]

80. if they bothered to actually vote for a woman presidential candidate

one Hillary Clinton...

Roe would still be the law of the land.

Democrats cannot simply wave a magic wand in washington and enact any law they want. They need the Presidency, a House majority, and a super majority in the Senate. So... cut off your nose to spite your face because you are a petulant child and if you just stamp your feet hard enough then you will get what you want.

[LeftInTX]

83. This is a communist party which is supported by Russia. They picketed Hillary

They aren't Democrats.
I don't think they GAF.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

73. These protestors are working to help re-elect TFG which is a really dumb move

Link to tweet

[Beastly Boy]

119. Why on earth should they use their time enabling Trump?

Unless they are anti-Biden, of course...

[Autumn]

126. They voted for him in 2020. I think they are just anti death of innocent people. A lot of us are.

[Cha]

138. Pres Biden isn't killing them.. HAMAS Started this GD

War.. this is ON the Gang Rapist Butchers of HAMAS.

The "genocide Joe" Yellers Don't want Pres Biden Re-elected.. Fuck them.. they get this fucking shit..

ETA~ And So Would the Rest of us..

Link to tweet

[ITAL]

2. I mean Trump isn't president

The current war started nearly three months ago. All they see is Biden not stopping Israel. Whether Trump would be the same or worse in his doesn't matter to them when they see thousands of people dying.

Listen, I think these people trying to drown out every Biden event are morons, but it's not a fake movement being propagated by right wingers to hurt Biden.

[Happy Hoosier]

5. "supporters." yeah, right.

They are Russian and Chinese stooges... whether they know it not.

[ITAL]

8. I know a few

They may be stooges, but they aren't insincere.

[Walleye]

31. Just naive

[Kennah]

81. Same

I know Palestinian supporters who truly seem to hate Israel. They aren't interested in listening to anything besides "I agree." They'll cut off their nose, ears, and chin just for starters.

I don't think they see the impact of their actions. It's all about immediate shouting with little understanding of politics. Some even say it openly that they don't know much about politics, yet they take action in the political realm.

[Cha]

98. That's nice. but they're fucking Wrong.. Pres Biden

is Not "genocide Joe"

[TheKentuckian]

115. Spends the same. Fuck the traitors.

[The Magistrate]

11. True Enough: It's Just The Left Auxiliary Of The Christo-Fascist Right Up To It's Usual Stupid Human Tricks

You don't have to pay them to do it, you don't even have to give them a kiss for the help afterwards. It's just how they do....


"Hitler is the ice-breaker of the German Revolution!"

[SocialDemocrat61]

18. How can Biden stop Israel?

Does he have magical powers to do so?

[MyNameIsJonas]

46. I don't think these people think he can.

But they believe he can call for a ceasefire and threaten funding to Israel if they don't stop.

Even if there is no ceasefire, what's hurt Biden with these people has been the perception that the US is funding what they believe is a genocide.

I don't agree but it's definitely something many people believe.

[dutch777]

60. Cut off or hold US aid in $$$ and weapons and stop blocking measures about Israel at the UN. Problematic though as...

...it hands a victory of sorts to Hamas and by association Iran and its other proxies. We/Biden are in a tough position but talking to Netanyahu hasn't done squat in the past and certainly won't now as the Israelis' blood is up. We could pair a hard diplomatic and aid kick at Israel with broad strikes at regional Iran proxies and Iran itself which would sort of be like dad taking both the kids by the scruff of the neck and bashing them together hard enough to jolt them and say "knock it off, or else". Also could have all kinds of reprisals and repercussions that could just put the US interests in more danger and be even more unpredictable than the mess we already have. Did I mention we are in a tough position?

[shrike3]

63. I kind of doubt that would stop anything.

We are indeed in a tough position, and I think the slaughter will continue no matter what we do.

[TheKentuckian]

114. Who said they were right wingers particularly?

They are absolutely trying to hurt the nation and the world and providing aid and comfort to regressive forces, including and particularly Chump and the Republican white nationalist crime syndicate and theocratic domestic terrorist organization by attacking Biden like this though

[Beastly Boy]

121. "All they see is Biden not stopping Israel." That's the problem, isn't it?

Of all the things to see out there, they have the most narrow-sighted of visions: Biden not stopping Israel. Because if only Biden stopped Israel, peace will surely ensue And let me guess: they can see Trump, should Biden lose the presidency to him, stopping Israel, right?

[betsuni]

139. "Why don't/didn't Dems stop (bad thing)" blame everything on Democrats rule now applied internationally.

Taking something simple like, it's either Trump or Biden, and making it complicated by dragging in all kinds of convoluted excuses involving conscience and morals and grievances and threats not to vote. Taking something complicated like the Israel/Palestinian conflict and making it simple: All Biden has to do is say the magic word "ceasefire" and stop Israel's allowance -- done!

And of course when the Biden administration does anything they like they take credit for pushing/pulling Democrats to the Left. The rule that Democrats must be constantly threatened, scolded, told the right thing to do because they don't know what they're doing, assumed to not be doing anything or not doing enough -- otherwise they'd be just like Republicans.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

3. .

pro-Palestine protesters show up at every single campaign event,

The people who protested at the UAW event were UAW members. The people who protested at the abortion rights event were abortion rights activists. Many who protest are Biden supporters. Framing them as focusing on only one issue clouds the reality -- and also makes them easier to dismiss, of course.

[Mountainguy]

6. Want to buy a bridge?

I have several for sale, cheap too.

[MyNameIsJonas]

48. So Biden supporters are calling him Genocide Joe?

I'd hate to see what they would refer to him if they weren't supporters!

[LeftInTX]

62. Many are from a political party: Party for Socialism and Liberation

They have their own presidential candidate.

This is how they "campaign"

They are anti-Democratic party. They are pro-Putin.
PSL did not criticize the 2022 Russian invasion, which it blamed on NATO expansion and the "plight of ethnic Russians" in the Donbas.[35] PSL supported the 2014 Russian annexation of Crimea.[36][37]

Link to tweet

https://twitter.com/votesocialist24

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

https://www.ksat.com/news/local/2024/01/31/pro-palestinian-protestors-take-to-publicly-confronting-san-antonio-city-council-members/

From a crowded restaurant to a City Hall press conference to DreamWeek events, some pro-Palestinian protestors have been turning up the heat on San Antonio City Council members with whom they are angry for not passing a cease-fire resolution regarding the Israel-Hamas War.

In videos posted in the past week to the Instagram accounts of San Antonio for Justice in Palestine and the Party for Socialism and Liberation (PSL), protestors are seen shouting at Mayor Ron Nirenberg, Councilman John Courage, and Councilwoman Phyllis Viagran during public events.

“Ron Nirenberg, you support genocide! You support apartheid!” shouts one man in a video video posted on Jan. 24 as he and others approach Nirenberg during lunch.

“F*** you, Phyllis. F*** you. Cease-fire now,” shouted one of several people interrupting a Jan. 27 sustainability symposium hosted by the District 3 council office.

[Hekate]

95. You sure about this? Really really sure they are who they say they are?

I wouldn’t want to bet my savings on that.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

107. The ones I know personally? Yes.

[Beastly Boy]

124. And they don't show up at Trump events because... why?

Because Trump doesn't speak at UAW events or aborthion rights events?

Lazy bastards! They only protest where it's most convenient... I am not even questioning whether their affiliation is the reason for them to be at a Biden event to begin with.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

128. lol what on earth

[Beastly Boy]

132. Snarkasm.

I wish DU had a smilie for it...

[Happy Hoosier]

4. Russian and Chinese stooges.

Whether they know it or not.

Nancy is right.

[Autumn]

10. That's a pathetic way to lose votes.

I went to a protest with my granddaughter and her friends. All young Democrats who voted for Biden in the last election. She might want some proof before she calls people who disagree with that war that she supports Russian and Chinese stooges.

[Happy Hoosier]

14. I didn;t say they directly support Russia or China... RIF.

But unless they are just plain stupid, which seems unlikely to me, they MUST uderstand that seeking to undermine Biden right now serves only one prupose: to hurt him, and therefore help Trump. And both Russia and China WANT Trump.

WTF do these idiots think they are accomplishing? They think threatening to withhold their support, and hurting Biden IN ANY WAY will advance their cause? I'm sure your granddaughter is a lovely young woman. I bet she's smart, too. I ask her, and YOU, to game this out. How do you think this is actually going to help, well, ANYONE, except Trump, the Russians, and the Chinese?

Look up the term "useful idiots." They are being played.

[Autumn]

22. "The right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

It doesn't sound like they are being played to me. Maybe they just happen to believe their vote is worth something to them.

[shrike3]

27. Then why throw it away and let Trump get back in office?

Don't they know that Trump has already said he will accept no Gaza refugees? That right-wing Israelis are tight with Trump? That he has proclaimed himself a friend of Israel more than once? What do they think is going to happen?

[Autumn]

38. With the exception of a small handful all American politicians are tight with Israel.

I'm not in their situation but I think if my people were being slaughtered and starving I would have a difficult time voting for people who are supporting and aiding in that war. So they chose to protest hoping it will end.

[shrike3]

42. And I wish I could fly to the moon.

As another poster said, Israel is a net weapons exporter. They will fight on without us.

[Autumn]

54. I have no desire to fly to the moon. I want peace and I don't want my country to be a partner is Israel's

slaughter of innocent people.

[shrike3]

59. You just said, Israel doesn't listen to the U.S.

Do you think they'd listen if we pulled all military aid? Do you think the slaughter won't go on? Do you think we'll be in a better position to stop it?

THINK.

[The Magistrate]

52. It Won't End, Ma'am, Until Reality Is Acknowledged

Violence by 'Palestinian Resistance' is a dead end. It will not make Israel go away. Restorative vengeance is not going to be gotten. In the whole history of this conflict, there has not been one instance where violence by the 'hard men' of Arab Palestine has not ended with the people of Palestine in more straitened circumstances, and with dimmer prospects, than were theirs before it.


"They say the best revenge is living well."

[Happy Hoosier]

65. With apparently NO THOUGHT about the actual impact of their actions.

Can you (and they) not see that they are not actually helping their cause?

[nocoincidences]

44. Apparently gaming it out

is just too hard.

You take a hard turn out of the logical process of determining what you will accomplish by claiming your vote is worth something.

What is it worth? Why can't you think this through to the end?

Maybe because you have to acknowledge that Biden has no power to intervene, only to suggest, and if he has no power, neither do you.

All you can do is scream at protests that accomplish nothing.

By all means keep it up.

[Happy Hoosier]

64. And apparently do not give a shit about the actual outcome.

I guess we'll see how they like Trump 2.0

Maybe they'll have some smug satsifaction that they helped create that clusterfuck and NOW we're sorry. Fuck that noise. It's self-indulgent privileged nonsense.

[Autumn]

69. Protesting is a fucking privilege? How about protesting the loss of Roe V Wade? Gay rights?

You may not like what they are protesting but they have every fucking right to protest the slaughter of their people.

[Happy Hoosier]

70. YOU. DO. NOT. GET. IT!

This election, like all US Presidential elections is binary. The Demmocrat will win or the GQP MAGAt will win.

You get one of those whatever the fuck you do.

Which one do you want?

It's that simple. You can certainly criticize Biden. You can even oppose him once we are in a situation where the actual choice is between someone like Biden, or someone more aligned with one's personal positions.

But it is FUCKING IRRESPONSIBLE to do anything which boosts Trump's chances of winning. I am absolutely GOBSMACKED that other wise intelligent people can't seem to get that through their heads.

Again, I BEG you and them to game this out. What happens to their cause if they sufficiently undermine Biden so that Trump wins? Do you, ot they, think Trump gives even a tiny shit about Gazans?

Sweet Jeebus, even if you HATE Biden, take a look at the SCotUS. We're alreadty pretty fucked. How fucked do you folks want us to be!!!???

[The Magistrate]

75. Having the Right To Do Something, Ma'am, Does Not Make It The Right Thing To Do In Present Circumstances

"An idealist is one who, noticing a rose smalls better than a cabbage, concludes it will make a better soup."

[louslobbs]

159. Wait till they get a load of their rights to

Peaceably assemble for redress of their grievances (lol) if they should help traitor trump get back into power.

Should be a real awakening for them as the “dictator on day one” orders them gathered up and deported out of the country.

It’s disgusting the way they refer to a kind and decent man like President Biden with their vile and uninformed chant.

Supporters my ass!

They turn my stomach.

They wouldn’t have the guts to show up at a Nazi trump rally and chant their bullshit there.

People who enable those who chant this horrible lie should be ashamed of themselves.

[LeftInTX]

72. Same group has been complaining since 2021

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_for_Socialism_and_Liberation

They're trying to build their political party. They don't care about Palestinians.

And yes, they're Putin supporters.

Who supplies the signs at these events? They don't come from nowhere.

Link to tweet

https://communist.red/usa-biden-honeymoon/

A year after being elected, Joe Biden has failed to deliver on any of his promises. The Democratic President, his party, and the capitalist system he represents offer no future for the working class. We must build the forces of Marxism.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

102. I wonder why...

...that sounds awfully right wingy.

To me it looks like something for bored 20 somethings to do to feel important and maybe get laid.

[emulatorloo]

74. Pelosi was talking about Code Pink, not your granddaughter. Code Pink does indeed have links to China. See article:

https://archive.is/haZXZ

A Global Web of Chinese Propaganda Leads to a U.S. Tech Mogul
The Times unraveled a financial network that stretches from Chicago to Shanghai and uses American nonprofits to push Chinese talking points worldwide.

By Mara Hvistendahl, David A. Fahrenthold, Lynsey Chutel and Ishaan Jhaveri
Mara Hvistendahl is an investigative reporter focused on China. David A. Fahrenthold investigates nonprofits from Washington. Lynsey Chutel reported from South Africa and Ishaan Jhaveri from New York.

Published Aug. 5, 2023
Updated Aug. 10, 2023

In fact, a New York Times investigation found, it is part of a lavishly funded influence campaign that defends China and pushes its propaganda. At the center is a charismatic American millionaire, Neville Roy Singham, who is known as a socialist benefactor of far-left causes.

What is less known, and is hidden amid a tangle of nonprofit groups and shell companies, is that Mr. Singham works closely with the Chinese government media machine and is financing its propaganda worldwide.

From a think tank in Massachusetts to an event space in Manhattan, from a political party in South Africa to news organizations in India and Brazil, The Times tracked hundreds of millions of dollars to groups linked to Mr. Singham that mix progressive advocacy with Chinese government talking points.

Some, like No Cold War, popped up in recent years. Others, like the American antiwar group Code Pink, have morphed over time. Code Pink once criticized China’s rights record but now defends its internment of the predominantly Muslim Uyghurs, which human rights experts have labeled a crime against humanity.

These groups are funded through American nonprofits flush with at least $275 million in donations.

Much more at link

[thucythucy]

76. Did you join in the "Genocide Joe" chants? nt

[Cha]

131. Good question. nt

[Freethinker65]

7. Good place to seek attention for your cause.

How Biden reacts is important. Does Biden ridicule them? Threaten them? Does Biden form US policies by who currently screams the loudest?

Are the Let's Go Brandon types the same as the Genocide Joe protesters? If so, they weren't going to vote for Biden ever.

[LeftInTX]

77. The organizers have their own political party and presidential candidate

They're just loud because they have got a cause that enables them to recruit more protesters and supporters. They are actually campaigning and helping their party grow by encouraging protests.

They've been around since 2004. They hate Democrats.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_for_Socialism_and_Liberation

Link to tweet

[yardwork]

13. These are pro-Hamas groups.

They want to see Israel destroyed. If Trump gets back in the White Hoyse, Israel probably will be destroyed.

[maxsolomon]

35. Not really. They're anti-war idealists, much like many DU commentors.

In effect, yes, they're Pro-Hamas, but from the ones I know, they consider themselves Pro-Palestinian and anti-Colonialist.

If Trump gets back in the WH, any dream of a Palestinian state is likely destroyed, with mass expulsions from Gaza and the W Bank, with Israel becoming a fortress.

[Autumn]

41. You know that there will never be a Palestinian state. That has been made clear and that is why Israel kept Hamas

in power.

[maxsolomon]

43. That is the RW Israeli position and I don't believe the question is settled.

If Rabin hadn't been killed, there would probably be a Palestine now.

[Autumn]

53. Rabin is dead and why do you think Netanyahu has kept Hamas in power? They and he oppose a 2 state solution.

That is the current Israeli government position. Netanyahu's advisors are being open about what they want.

[maxsolomon]

56. That doesn't mean that it's impossible now.

I'm just not as cynical as you. Surprisingly.

[Mossfern]

108. rec'd a gazillian times!

Israel is NOT Likud.

[shrike3]

45. Then what do protestors think will happen if there's never going to be a Palestinian state?

[Mosby]

94. Israel didnt keep hamas in power

The idea that Neyanyahu and Likud single handedly kept revenue flowing to Hamas which allowed them to florish is not supported by any credible evidence, and sadly the notion has now become a conspiracy theory used to attack Israel's existence.

[The Magistrate]

96. This Is True, Sir

Material assistance was lent, but it was not decisive. The movement existed beforehand, and its popularity was wide. That 'election' which put Hamas in power was mostly a protest vote against PA corruption, rather than any particular endorsement of Hamas platform v. Israel (which to be fair differed little from that of the PA at the time). For some reason, men who make a show of piety are regarded as honest with money....

[betsuni]

158. Yes, I keep seeing this conspiracy theory.

[Hekate]

97. Really? What about Iran being a major supporter of this terrorist group?

[JohnSJ]

55. Yes they are, and a good number of them have a problem with Jews, as they have demonstrated

with some of their signs at their marches

[SocialDemocrat61]

16. Do they know that Biden is

President of the United States, not the President of Israel?

[AZSkiffyGeek]

21. Maybe they think that Israel is secretly controlling Biden

I've seen that bit of antisemitism suggested several times here.

[Autumn]

23. What they do know is that we provide for Israel's war. Weapons and money.

[shrike3]

30. And Trump wouldn't?

Do they have any sense of the big picture?

Sixteen percent of the Israeli budget comes from the U.S. Do they think Israel will stop fighting if the U.S. pulls its support?

[Autumn]

47. Yeah they do have a sense of the big picture. And what Israel is openly talking about is in that picture.

I think that the US should not be a partner to that crime.

[shrike3]

50. If Trump gets in, how long do you think he's going to tolerate your protests?

This is the guy who's talking insurrection act, and all.

[Hekate]

101. 4 hours of silence -- no answer

[Coventina]

120. There never are any answers to questions like that.

I think we all know why......

[Hekate]

123. Yes indeed

[shrike3]

140. I didn't expect one.

I think these folks mean well, but they're just not thinking it all the way through.

[shrike3]

153. I sort of got a non-answer down thread.

[TheKentuckian]

117. You just described they have no such understanding or if they do they don't care

[Arazi]

32. Israel doesn't need our weapons. They're a net weapons exporter

Our weapons probably only help facilitate a faster ending. But if we don’t give them any, they’ll still fight on - it will just take longer. Some analysts say it’s possible it would be shorter as Israel would lose any incentive to listen to us and they’d just go harder in Gaza.

Regardless, the arms sales are directed by Congress and Joe Biden has no control over it.

The $$ pays for Israeli intelligence, espionage, and the foreign hardware and technology that Israel grabs such as Russian stuff from Putin satellite states like Syria or Iranian shit from Lebanon. Cutting off that quid pro quo payment for services rendered isn’t even plausible for any reason. Israel is one of our biggest geopolitical strategic partners and one of two allies in the ME (Jordan is the other). Nobody from either party will ever cut off the $$

[Autumn]

49. Israel has made it plain that they don't listen to the US.

[shrike3]

51. Then WHAT do you expect Biden to do?

You just acknowledged Israel doesn't listen to the U.S.

[Autumn]

68. Biden is the President of the United States of America. I expect him to be that and so far

IMHO he has excelled at that. My main expectation is that he win again. I have expected him to listen to the people he represents. Fuck Trumps clone Netanyahu. Biden has plenty of pressure to apply and it has been my hope that he is doing that and I think he may be doing it. Enough of the death and destruction.

[Hekate]

99. So if you think he is doing his job, why would you applaud calling him the vilest name in history?

I await your thoughtful reply.

[Autumn]

129. Name calling happens at every protest. Usualy by a few bad apples. I support any American who is using their

right to protest. That's Democracy. Like it or not.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Complain all you want they have every right to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. I think that they have a valid grievances. Not all in Gaza are Hamas, there is a fucking lot of women children and they are homeless since half of Gaza has been bombed to rubble and the are facing disease starvation and more bombing. Yes Hamas sucks and they are disgusting, as is Netanyahu and his cabinet members who want the Palestinians out of Gaza and are very open about it.

[Hekate]

160. As people who sign DU's TOS sometimes learn the hard way, the 1st Amendment does not protect one from...

…the social consequences of the flapping of one’s lips or the legal consequences of the flapping of one’s red paintbrush. It has a certain utility in that the federal government can’t necessarily come after a person for the expression of one’s opinion. However, as in the case of violations of the TOS, those expressed opinions might cause loss of membership in a private club. In other spaces, they may lead to loss of friendships, and loss of employment.

And — just in case my examples are unclear — Trump has no Constitutional protections for defamation and slander against E Jean Carroll or Ruby Freeman or Shaye Moss.

Saying Joe Biden commits or condones genocide is slander. It’s disgusting. The mob may get away with it while in the mob and in the moment, but not forever. May I remind you of the depth of feeling that the J6 Insurrectionists brought to our nation’s Capitol. They felt and believed deeply — but they were lied to, and they were wrong.

[betsuni]

162. It is disgusting.

Somewhere along the line feelings and emotion, being passionate about something, meant you had to be right, with a sort of pure righteousness which cannot be questioned because it's obvious you're right and everyone knows it (despite facts not supporting your feelings). The infidel disagreeing is attacked as an immoral evil enemy and showered with personal insults because they're most likely a secret right-winger with no empathy. Was very trendy in 2016 to attack Democrats and now back in a big way.

[Autumn]

170. Every president has been protested. "Hey hey LBJ how many kids did you

kill today" Ring a bell? Protests ended that war when Americans quit supporting it. Americas support for Netanyahu's war is fading for the first time I can remember. .

So get Joe to sue them and see how far you get

[TheKentuckian]

175. Thanks for Nixon, that was helpful.

[shrike3]

142. You said in an earlier response that Israel doesn't listen to the U.S.

Hence, my question: what is Biden supposed to do?

[Autumn]

144. Biden can put pressure on Netanyahu. Ceasefire for humanitarian relief or go it alone without the support

of the Biden administration. Hamas is his problem, he kept them in power.

[shrike3]

145. If Israel doesn't listen to the U.S, doesn't that mean they also won't listen to Biden?

How long do you, your daughter and her friends will be allowed to protest if Trump gets in?

[Autumn]

148. I answered your question and now it's the same one again with a twist.

As I said Biden can put pressure on trumps bestie. As for what will Trump do? I guess that Democrats better get every fucking vote they can. If that means an open dialog with Muslim Americans who are protesting someone better get busy.

[shrike3]

150. You didn't answer my question. I first asked it hours ago.

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How long do you think you'll be able to protest if Trump gets in?

[The Magistrate]

146. Just To Be Clear, Ma'am: Your Demand Is A Unilateral Cease-Fire By Israel?

[Autumn]

149. Dude. I made no fucking demands. It's a political message board, it's called an exchange of ideas. Communication

about a current event.

[The Magistrate]

152. Your Desire, Then, Is For A Unilatereal Cease-Fire By Israel?

[Malmsy]

171. It doesn't appear that you're going to get a straight answer.

Seems to be a bit of a sticky wicket for Autumn.

[Arazi]

66. They do though. The first ceasefire was from Blinken and Biden efforts

More than 100 hostages were released in the 7 day pause in November.

That’s our influence.

Israel has also agreed to another 60 day ceasefire because of our influence. These are real and tangible results.

Egypt and Qatar credit Blinken and Biden with pressuring Israel to let humanitarian aid trucks in faster and in more quantity.

Again, I realize the pro-Palestinian groups don’t believe this is enough but ffs, the I/P conflict has spanned decades. Unraveling the bullshit isn’t going to take a few weeks

[Hekate]

109. Which makes me think the "pro-Palestinian groups" have an ulterior motive & are using...

… what the early USSR identified as “useful idiots.”

[Arazi]

110. Agreed

Here on DU and everywhere else “pro-Pal” there seems to be willful denial about what Biden is doing/has done and what he cannot do by law (force Congress to cut off aid to Israel).

Feels deliberate. And the useful idiots are getting sucked into the astroturfed propaganda

[maxsolomon]

39. those arms make us their trusted ally. they make us the only one who can influence their actions.

you know the biden admin is pushing hard for a ceasefire every day, right?

and they've nearly got a 3-month pause worked out, right?

and the sticking point isn't israel, it's hamas, right?

[JI7]

28. They never criticize Hamas and I have seen more defend Hamas than Criticize them.

[Walleye]

34. I'm sure a Russian state TV shows every protest

[nocoincidences]

36. We don't contol that war or Netanyahu.

We support them, they are a strong long US ally, but they could do this war without us, easily.

People seem to think if they just say it is so, wish it is so, that Biden will make the war stop. NO. That is not reality.

But don't let reality stop you from trying to 'wish it so'.

[Beastly Boy]

125. This is not what pro-Palsetinian supporters are chanting at every Biden event...

[nocoincidences]

137. Ain't it a shame?

[keithbvadu2]

40. Correction: Pro-Hamas supporters. Ceasefire alone is is pro-Hamas. Support peace. Eliminate Hamas who promises more terr

Ceasefire alone is is pro-Hamas. Support peace. Eliminate Hamas who promises more terrorism and genocide of the Jews.

Ceasefire alone allow Hamas to regroup, rearm, and continue the terrorism that they promise.

[Torchlight]

58. It breaks my heart that legitimate protests and valid causes are coopted

by people with agendas relying on the very chaos, doubt, and uncertainty they inspire. I have zero doubt the Palestinian people have truckloads of the ideals of peace, much as does most of the rational world. But a few bad actors, providing funding and manipulating data so often cut the real protest's causes off at the knees. And I suspect that is the design; to devalue, minimize, and trivialize the actual cause.

I think we watched the same attempts and the same tactics made, and almost successful, in regards to BLM and MeToo, but I think it was a little *too* obvious and the time, and everyone of note caught on before damage was done. My fervent hope is that an ambassador of peace can be found among the Palestinian people they would rally behind at the expense of current leadership.

[jimfields33]

105. Wow.

[TheKentuckian]

176. This protest movement has been flat out Pro Hamas from the get go

they didn't have to be coopted because the original option was Pro Hamas, Death to Israel, Death to America, Death to the West all along.

Just a gaggle of stupid, genocidal racists that hate western civilization and Jews.
Fuck em.

[Elessar Zappa]

67. Pro-hamas protestors is more accurate.

[sarisataka]

79. Michigan's Arabs and Muslims push to defeat Biden in critical state

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218642008

[Cha]

104. To The Muslims Who Say They Won't Vote for Biden..

Link to tweet

[TheKentuckian]

118. And if they succeed then I'm not only going to

not protest a bit when they get what is coming to them, I'm going to help.

[B.See]

82. Lots of speculation about who they are and their motives, but

Bottom line is, they're working to elect the guy who wants to deport them all. The guy who was Netanyahu's pal. The party that welcomed him with open arms. Wildly applauded him as he spoke before Congress. Helped to again empower him in Israel.

What will Trump do for Gaza? Ask the KURDS.

[ShazzieB]

111. Add this to the list.

In addition to all of the above, they're working to elect the guy who earned Netanyahu's undying approval by moving the US embassy to Jerusalem, thereby effectively recognizing the city as Israel's capital, a step that successive U.S. administrations from both parties along with virtually every country in the world have steadfastly avoided since 1948.

THIS is what these protestors are, in effect, supporting. Bully for them, I guess.

[B.See]

156. EXACTLY. None of it makes any sense. Which is why

I'm beginning to suspect that their goal and purpose is not exactly what they represent.

[Hekate]

84. Follow the money. Oh, and in case it's not clear: screw them.

[mcar]

87. Are they demanding a ceasefire from Hamas?

They are the ones who started this war with their brutal terrorist attack on Oct. 7.

Oh, what am I saying? These idiots are pro-Hamas anti-semites. I only pray that they don't get to the finding out part of their fcking around. Trump would deport them all.

[Initech]

89. Do we ignore these assholes and kick them out?

[BlueTsunami2018]

106. Bunch of dupes and stooges.

And, of course, astroturf.

I find this infuriating. Joe Biden is not the leader of Israel. This country isn’t Israel or Gaza. These clowns are doing the work of our enemies.

You have a beef with what Israel is doing? Go there and protest. I’m so sick of these idiots.

[TheKentuckian]

113. It doesn't matter who the leader of Israel is

they would do the same as would every plausible leader of every plausible nation.

This whole thought process is anchored only in extreme delusion and a whole lot of lies.

[Bucky]

116. This is just a guess, but I wonder if maybe they're upset about all the people being killed with US tax-funded weapons

How did you expect them to react to 25-30,000 people being killed? Applaud?

[BlueTsunami2018]

122. I expect them to blame the right people.

And to realize that we aren’t cutting off aid to Israel and leaving them to the wolves that surround them.

[Bucky]

165. And I expect Israel to blame & kill the right people.

Unfortunately they're killing a lot more non-Hamas people than the actual terrorists.

I don't have a problem with their retaliation. I have a problem with their targeting. I guess that doesn't bother you

[Beastly Boy]

130. If that's their reason, they are suspiciously selective of the target for their outrage.

I don't hear these people at every Biden event protesting US military aid to Ukraine or Egypt, for example.

And why Biden in an election year?

As far as my expectations of what their reaction might be to the 25,000 to 30,000 killed, I expect them to protest against Hamas. But I am used to my expectations being crushed.

[Bucky]

166. If Israel was mostly killing Hamas, I would agree with you

But your concern about other people being "selective of the target" is duly noted, even if you're missing the irony there

[Beastly Boy]

169. When I wrote my post, I expected a response like this.

And I expected that "selective of their target" would prompt a retort that would attempt to falsely claim that Gaza civilians are the target selected by IDF.

Of course, there is no truth in it. Gaza civilians are neither targets nor are they being selected. If hamas were not to deliberately and cynically, as an expressed part of their war strategy, hide their military assets and fighting forces behind those civilians, you wouldn't be noting my concern about people being selective of their target.

And if Hamas were not selective of their civilian targets in Israel to begin with, your sarcasm wouldn't be so ironic either.

[sarisataka]

147. They only applaud when 1200 are killed?

Or when the dead are Jews?

[LeftInTX]

151. A political party with their own presidential candidate is behind much of this

Party for Socialism and Liberation , Claudia de la Cruz is their presidential candidate. The love Russia and the killing of Ukrainians.

They have always been anti-Israel before this war.
We marched behind them at the MLK March in 2023. (It was a trip! They are crazy)
They want to topple the Democratic Party.



PSL did not criticize the 2022 Russian invasion, which it blamed on NATO expansion and the "plight of ethnic Russians" in the Donbas.[35] PSL supported the 2014 Russian annexation of Crimea.[36][37]

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https://twitter.com/votesocialist24

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https://www.ksat.com/news/local/2024/01/31/pro-palestinian-protestors-take-to-publicly-confronting-san-antonio-city-council-members/

From a crowded restaurant to a City Hall press conference to DreamWeek events, some pro-Palestinian protestors have been turning up the heat on San Antonio City Council members with whom they are angry for not passing a cease-fire resolution regarding the Israel-Hamas War.

In videos posted in the past week to the Instagram accounts of San Antonio for Justice in Palestine and the Party for Socialism and Liberation (PSL), protestors are seen shouting at Mayor Ron Nirenberg, Councilman John Courage, and Councilwoman Phyllis Viagran during public events.

“Ron Nirenberg, you support genocide! You support apartheid!” shouts one man in a video video posted on Jan. 24 as he and others approach Nirenberg during lunch.

“F*** you, Phyllis. F*** you. Cease-fire now,” shouted one of several people interrupting a Jan. 27 sustainability symposium hosted by the District 3 council office

[Bucky]

167. Thank you. This is informative

Unfortunately, when Israel so indiscriminate in who they kill in their conduct of the war, they give undue sympathy to extremist cranks like this, as well as empower the voices of uninformed people who support Hamas. If Israel wants its cause in Gaza to be just, then they have to act justly. But how they've conducted their war in Gaza is in violation of the norms of modern war... and as a result they're creating more problems than they're solving.

[shrike3]

174. Does not surprise me.

The extreme lefties I know focus on the D party, not the R. They want to "burn it all down," if necessary.

[bigtree]

127. and that gets amplified, instead of highlighting the actual events

...even on a Democratic message board

Go figure.

Take a look at how I presented an event interrupted by hecklers.

FIRED UP Biden to FIRED UP crowd: 'Republicans about to find out about the power of women in America!'
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218620362

There's really no need to make protesters the center of the story, especially for advocates of this president, and it should be obvious that they are counting on both supporters and detractors alike to keep their efforts in the spotlight.

Should be obvious... you have a long thread complete with a blowout between DUers over whether the protesters message was valid or whatever they represent, blah, blah, blah.

Otoh, you get a smattering of interest in posting a word of a Biden event, even though he's been on fire for a month or so now.

Why take time to amplify any of their actions or words, in any context, above the President's?

There are, of course, answers to that which don't serve any Biden campaign interest. Indeed, it's primarily an anti-Biden effort by the journos and editors who print these concerned reports to set their readers' hair on fire.

[The Magistrate]

141. Hear Hear, Sir

[Hekate]

163. Sorry I missed your post! It would have been much better for my mood to have interacted with you.

[SYFROYH]

143. This is what Democracy looks like.

Protestors and demonstrators are often inconvenient.

[TheKentuckian]

161. Chump and the Republican white nationalist crime syndicate and theocratic domestic terrorist organization

Putin, Khameni, Xi Jinping and friends don't even measure up to a cheap replica of democracy no matter how messy.

Peace my ass. This has zero possible upside toward any such thing.

Absolutely bonkers.

[Beastly Boy]

168. Agreed. And often protestors are downright stupid, if not malignant in their intent.

Democracy allows for this too.

[LiberalFighter]

154. These so called pro-Palestine protesters are asinine.

I have less sympathy for their cause. And they don't have a clue what Biden is trying to do.

[JohnSJ]

157. Anyone who justifies these slurs against President Biden, are doing the same shit that was

done against Hillary in 2016.

She was called every foul name in the book. It was disgusting, and contributed to ushering donald trump into the WH.

[gulliver]

164. It doesn't hurt Biden to have fools protest against him

These are the kinds of folks we want to be against us. They're lost. They're no different from the poor MAGA types really. "Words of a fool full of sound and fury"...and so forth.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

177. "If you don't like what Joe Biden is doing with respect to Gaza right now, you would hate what Trump would be doing

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[DFW]

178. Follow the money

It takes money and time to organize anything, including the “Genocide Joe” public “protests.”

I wonder (kinda, sorta, OK, not really) where the money and manpower for this newest round is coming from?