what could biden realistically do to stop the israel gaza war

[moonshinegnomie]

realistically i dont think there much he could do. He could threaten to curtail/cutoff aid to israel but rather than solving the problem i think that will make it worse. israel has a well trained,well funded army pluse they have nuclear weapons. the israeli goverment is basically run by their version of the maga nut jobs here.

if we were to cut them off im pretty sure that israels response would be the hell with the rest of the world and they would just go in and flatten gaza, consequences and civilian casualties be damned.

the fact of matter is you have a long long history of hatred in that part of the world and nothing the us does is going to change that.

personally i hate netanyahu and the current israeli government honestly i dont think theres much that biden or the US can realistically do. sanctioning israel besides being politically infeasible would just make things worse IMHO.

sometime there not much you can do except watch the house burn down

[Goodheart]

1. He could threaten to cut off military aid, and, no, I don't think Israel would react the way you think.

[moonshinegnomie]

4. why wouldn't they

netanyahu is no better than trump and in many ways is worse. if we cut off aid then whats to stop israel from saying to hell with world opinion and just going in and flattening gaza. the only reason they havent yet is us pressure. Israelis have a different world view than americans. they live with the memories of the holocaust and view the Palestinians as wanting another one. if the US were to cut off aid I could easily see the israeli far right using it to say to their people "see the rest of the world is against us so to hell with them" and using that rational to pretty much empty gaza. and if a country like iran were to then attack israel i could see israel responding by taking out tehran

personally id like to see netanyahu brought up on war crime charges but the reality is he's never going face any personal consequences for his actions. thats just reality.

[Kennah]

16. I agree. Bibi would pull out IDF troops, and fire their stockpile of dumb munitions into Gaza.

Artillery, bombs, you name it.

West Bank? No, no, that's Judea and Samaria.

If Hezbollah didn't immediately move to the northern parts of Lebanon, Beirut would be nuked.

If Iran attacked Israel, Tehran would be nuked.

Bibi unleashed would be awful.

[Autumn]

2. Close the purse.

[shrike3]

8. Eighty-four percent of the Israeli budget does NOT come from the U.S.

So, if Biden closes the purse, what, they're going to fold up and go home?

[EX500rider]

17. The Israeli govt budget is $155 billion, their military budget is 24 billion

I believe we give them on avg 3 billion in military aid, about 12% of the military budget and 2%+- of their overall budget.
People seem to over estimate the power we have over Israel.

[Happy Hoosier]

18. And then what? You think that would force their hand?

I don't think it would.

We'd just lose what leverage we have to influence them at all.

[Freethinker65]

3. What would Trump do to bring peace? Send ME expert Jared to propose real estate development??

[moonshinegnomie]

5. i dont think there anything anyone can do

[shrike3]

9. I agree. n/t

[Freethinker65]

14. Exactly.

So then they shout Genocide Don, which is just as helpful to their cause.

[betsuni]

22. I think they only shout at Democrats.

When Obama was president we heard about drone warfare, drones drones drones all the time. Defend him and get accused of not caring about the innocent children and civilians killed by Obama drones. Now "empathy" is the magic word, get accused of not caring about innocent children and civilians in Palestine, no empathy.

But when Trump became president, any attention to how he expanded drone warfare? No. Didn't hear about drones again.

Democrats get shouted at about Western empire, colonialism, endless wars, genocide. Worked well in 2016 scaring people into believing Hillary was an evil warmonger who'd immediately start WWIII, Trump was the nice peaceful less dangerous one. Anger about "Genocide Joe" will be used in the same way this year.

[Bettie]

6. Jared would love to do real estate development

in Gaza once the current residents are dead, which is in line with Netanyahu/Likud's goals.

Biden is doing the best he can in a terrible situation.

No more money to Israel, they have a great economy, or so I'm told, so they can pay for their own defense.

[Arazi]

15. The $$ is for services rendered. We won't ever cut that off

Israel (and Jordan) have developed espionage and intelligence services that we can’t replicate in the region. They’re our “eyes and ears” there, very similar to our Five Eyes agreement with other allies.

That money actually pays for something we desperately want (and so does Israel).

The $$ is allocated by Congress anyway, as our the weapons. Biden has no control over that

[former9thward]

7. You first paragragh is wrong.

All the major parties in Israel support the war and support the elimination of Hamas. They are all against any ceasefire which leaves Hamas standing. So, your idea this is all on Netanyahu is totally wrong. Have you been to Israel? I suggest a visit.

[shrike3]

10. Thanks for the info.

I didn't know for sure.

[moonshinegnomie]

12. i wont go due to how they have treated the palestinians in the past

[Butterflylady]

13. Once again some do not understand

Even getting rid of Hamas is not give them what they want. There will be others to take their place. People, this is the way the Middle East is. It has been and always will be terrorists. When you get out of the cities most of countries land is run by tribes. Just look at Afghanistan, both the US and Russia couldn't beat the Taliban.

And yes Netanyahu is partly responsible. Just ask the families of the hostages what they think about him.

And no, Israel will not vanish or be wiped out because of a ceasefire.
The people of Israel are strong and they want what we all want, a peaceful life. The only way to achieve that is to get rid of Netanyahu and his war lovers.

[TheKentuckian]

23. You are tunnel vision on Netanyahu and hand waiving that

the elimination of Hamas is not the prime directive essentially across the whole political spectrum.

I'd go further and say that it would be the same no matter which nation or plausible leadership if the places were swapped.

I'll add that no matter how strong any people are they are not going to abide a repeat of 10/7 even if such will not eradicate them.
A ceasefire is not offering them a moment's peace, just a less constrained threat.

There is no peace for the Israeli people with Hamas.

[The Magistrate]

11. That's The Right Question, Sir

And correct as it is, the answer 'Not much, really' pleases no one.

[maxsolomon]

19. Work with ME powers to broker a second, lengthy ceasefire

that frees Israeli hostages in exchange for allowing aid to reach starving and dying Gazans. A ceasefire that would hopefully become as permanent as possible.

Which, look at that, is what he's doing. Ultimatums and threats are not how shit gets done in the real world.

[liberalmike27]

20. Would Flatten the Gaza Strip?

I'm not sure if you believe your eyes, but that ship's done sailed!? (sadly) It looks like a Rubble pile to me and they say about 20,000 men, women, and children have been regrettably, but by choice, squashed.

Biden could threaten to take away their "Foreign Aid," which is what we call the 2% or so of our budget that goes to provide them with weapons. We bear some responsibility with how they use them, since we've provided them.

[moonshinegnomie]

21. and then netanyahu would have nothig holding them back

20k dead (if you believe that number but since it comes from the palestinian health ministry i dont) would quickly become 200k. the threat of an aid cutoff is all thats keeping israel even remotely leashed. cut that off and theres nothing to stop him