Michigan's Arabs and Muslims push to defeat Biden in critical state

[sarisataka]

Michigan’s Arabs and Muslims push to defeat Biden in critical state

Mohammad Enayah relied on a cousin in Gaza for regular updates on his extended family living under Israel’s bombardment. He heard about the daily challenges his family faced in trying to survive: no access to running water, regular bombings and fleeing from one stranger’s home to another seeking safety.

Then, in November, he received the news he had been dreading: 30 members of his extended family had been killed by an Israeli airstrike on a refugee camp. He began to look at the list of names of those killed but couldn’t make it past the first one.

“The first name was so familiar,” Enayah said, his voice breaking as tears streamed down his face. “I just put it aside and I said, ‘I don’t want to read it.’ But to honor them, I had to. It took me a week just to go through the names.”

It is for that reason that Enayah, like many Arab American and Muslim voters in Dearborn — where Arab Americans make up the majority of the population — is resolved not only to withhold his vote from President Biden, but also to actively campaign against him. Some Michigan Arabs and Muslims have launched an “Abandon Biden” campaign — part of a broader national movement still getting off the ground — to ensure that those in their community show up to cast their votes, but not for Biden.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/michigan-s-arabs-and-muslims-push-to-defeat-biden-in-critical-state/ar-BB1hxgm0?ocid=entnewsntp&cvid=2942794726f240dc8704fe8cee8e2c1e&ei=26

I have seen posts dismissing protests against Biden, saying they will return to support him come November. That confidence may be misplaced.

[RandySF]

1. I guess they yearn for Trump's warm embrace.

[redqueen]

73. He'll start deporting them or putting them in camps

Hard to believe people could be that stupid but here we are

[JT45242]

2. So they will actively work for the guy who plans a "complete Muslim plan including Palestinian refugees" on Day 1...

I just do not understand why or how. BUt would make great targets of bots from adversaries who want to put their thimb on the scales towards TFG.

I would think that russian troll farms and Chinese troll farms would certainly unleash bots aplenty to target thi sgroup. Even if they vote third party, they are effectively voting for the Muslim ban guy.

Someone help me understand the irrationality of thinking that the guy who is supproted by White supremacists and wants to ban Muslims is a better choice.

[Aristus]

3. I'm confused.

Aren't they basically saying they hope to get deported during a second Trump administration?

[ColinC]

5. I'm guessing they are hoping the possibility of losing Michigan convinces him

To change his policy. And I imagine that losing all of their family members won’t get them to care much about their own lives as much.

[lapfog_1]

17. you mean him is Biden?

Biden will either win the election or lose. Michigan is just part of it. If he loses the election what difference does it make about what "lesson" Biden learns from this protest vote by Arab and Palestinians in Michigan. If he wins the election but loses Michigan... in the last election he will ever run... even if he "learns his lesson" what the fuck difference does it make? He won't face the Michigan voters again.

So opposing Joe Biden ( who is neither responsible for the Hamas attack nor the Israel bombing campaign) by either sitting home or voting for Trump... makes absolutely no logical sense. None. But hey, at this point do whatever you want. I understand the pain that they are in, but they are holding the wrong person responsible. They should actually look at Hamas... the people their loved ones put in charge back in 2007... and either looked the other way or actively supported Hamas while Hamas was gearing up for at least a year for the massacre that unleased the resulting, very predictable, bombing campaign that killed their loved ones. A result that Hamas actually WANTED.

[ColinC]

27. Sure. But I doubt those are the things that are resonating immediately for most

[Happy Hoosier]

19. Probably. But it's a STUPID plan.

It's myopic in the extreme.

It's basically a "If I don't get my way, I'm going to burn the building down."
Infuriating.

Ther eis a binary choice coming up. If they aren't supporting Biden, they are supporting Trump. It's that simple.

[ColinC]

29. Although I generally agree with the sentiment...

I imagine “please stop supporting a regime that is killing my family or I won’t vote for you,” is just slightly stronger than “if I don’t get my way…”

We are talking about actual lives and people getting killed, not a five year old who didn’t get a fire truck for Christmas.

[Happy Hoosier]

34. Is it though?

Again, there is a political reality which transcends emotion. Eithe rBiden or Trump is going to win. Which one of those choices is most likely to be sympathetic to their cause?

And you have them asking nicely to "please stop," which would be reasonable. But nope, they are calling him "Genocide Joe." That's a different kettle of fish altogether, wouldn't you agree?

It's not that I'm unsympathetic to their grief, it's that their grief is oscuring the actually reality on the ground that if they are hurting Joe, they are helping TFG. It's that simple.

[ColinC]

36. I get what you are saying but you simply can't cut the emotion out of the political reality either

Unfortunately…

[Happy Hoosier]

37. And I get what you're saying, but reality is harsh.

They are going to have either Joe or TFG. Pick one and act accordingly.

[ColinC]

38. Well at the end of the day it will be up to Biden to convince them he is worth voting for

And all I can say is I hope he does, since everything you are saying is true.

[Happy Hoosier]

39. As opposed to WHAT!? Letting TFG win?

That's the stuff that drives me nuts. To paraphrase Rush, they can choose not to decide, but they still have made a choice.

If they don;t support Biden, Trump has a better chance of winning. And he is most certainly worse for their cause than Biden. Look at the current news.... The State department is looking at options to recognize a Palestinian State.

[ColinC]

40. Recognizing a Palestinian state, I imagine, would definitely win their vote

That would definitely be welcome news if it actually happens.

[Happy Hoosier]

78. Would it?

Maybe. But call me cynical..... I suspect they would find SOME reason why it just wasn't good enough.

I've seen this movie before.

[Sugarcoated]

77. It is very clear they are bent on revenge

Biden could do a 180 and they would still refuse to meet with him. At the end of the day it'll begin to majorly suck for them here if the psychopath wins, and be much, much worse for their friends and family in Gaza when the psychopath teams up with Netanyahoo. The psychopath won't be trying to ease Yahoo down or be working diplomacy behind the scenes. The psycho won't work to get aid to Palestinians. All I can say is, the satisfaction they crave is very short sighted.

[Demsrule86]

43. I guess that would be true if...Hamas had not attacked first.

Israel did not provoke this Hamas did.

[ColinC]

46. Regardless of who provoked it, their families are dying at the hands of the IDF

The order of events -and even larger picture of what’s at stake isn’t going to resonate as loudly for them as watching their families die.

[Demsrule86]

60. Nope this is Hamas...they were offered a cease fire ad refused. They don't give a damn

about the people of GAZA.

[ColinC]

62. I don't think most see it that way

[JI7]

74. This is why the "pro palestinian" side is full of shit

They will easily blame Biden or some other "usually western" leaders but they when it comes to the actions of Gaza's own govt it's "regardless of who provoked it".

[yardwork]

30. That would make sense except that Biden's policy is the only wise course.

Biden's administration is doing all they can to pressure Netanyahu, short of convincing Congress to rip away all our support. The Republicans in Congress would never agree to that anyway. And if it did happen, Israel would be annihilated as the U.S. broke our promises to our only ally (and the only democracy) in the middle east.

Our enemies have created a no-win situation for us. Biden is literally doing the best anybody could in this bad situation.

[ColinC]

31. Biden isn't in a good spot for sure

But neither are Palestinian Americans whose families are dying.

[yardwork]

32. I sympathize with them but they're attacking the wrong person.

If they succeed in getting Trump back in the White House their families will ge even worse off, and they will be too.

[ColinC]

33. Agreed and I certainly hope Biden figures out how to win them back

Cause if he doesn’t, it may definitely be a
very bad outcome in November

[Happy Hoosier]

35. I have some sympathy....

... but I sure wish they had expended as much energy trying to root out Hamas before they kicked off this disaster.

[KPN]

51. How do you know what energy they've expended

in that regard?

[Happy Hoosier]

63. Well certainly they haven't been protesting publicly about it.

At the least, any efforts have been out of the public eye.

Do you think they have spent energy on this? If so, why?

[KPN]

64. I do. I happen to have a sister who married a Lebanese

American and lives in Dearborn. Her husband, two daughters and other relatives have traveled to Washington DC and NYC along with 100s of other Dearborn community members to attend protests in support of the innocent Palestinians in Gaza. They all have jobs and have given up income to be active. Not to mention what activities (energy expended) they have been doing at home in Dearborn to have an influence as American citizens.

Certainly they have condemned and made it clear they do not support Hamas in their protest activities. What more do you expect American citizens who live and work here in the States to do regarding Hamas?

I have to ask: are you sure you didn’t just knee/jerk react to criticism of current policy in defense of our President because he’s a Democrat? Or was it you are angered by them playing the cards they have — their voices, their support or not, and their voted?

[iemanja]

69. The US is not close to a neutral party in that conflict

and the Michigan Muslims know that as much as the rest of the world does. The existing policy is not "the only wise course." Absent meaningful financial pressure, there is no pressure. The wise course would be to stop supplying Israel with weapons.

[yardwork]

72. Of course we're not neutral! Israel is our close ally.

Israel is our only ally and the only democracy in the middle east. And why would the U.S. be allied with Hamas? They're a terrorist organization .

There are decades of history here where the US has tried to broker peace in the middle east.

We can't simply rip away our support of Israel, no matter how much we disagree with their elected government's policies.

[iemanja]

86. The issue at hand in this thread

per the OP, is not what AIPAC thinks is the best policy but why Michigan Muslims are upset with the current policy, in no small part because their families are being annihilated. Your response clearly misses the point.

[TheKentuckian]

79. I see the folly not wisdom.

[Cha]

45. Fuck That Noise.. Pres Biden is NOT Going to "lose" MI"

Link to tweet

[GoCubsGo]

71. Add to that confusion the fact that Biden isn't the President of Israel.

His influence on the situation is limited, but it's ultimately up to Israel and Hamas to resolve this, not him. He's not the fucking King of the World. SMGDH. How do they not understand any of this?

[Takket]

4. Did they support trump's muslim ban?

Because if not they might want to rethink that.

This has the stench of being propped up by Russian troll farms all over it.

[atreides1]

6. Stupidity in action!

If Trump wins they're all f***ed...and Arab Americans won't be making up the majority of the population in any American city, much less Dearborn!!

[Think. Again.]

7. 30 family members...

...In just one of the airstrikes.

I can't imagine his grief.

[KPN]

53. Strikes me that grief is ultimately the highest form of grievance

I am astounded by how night and day some here are given the sheer unfathomable human experience and pain involved.

[Think. Again.]

54. Yes, it's been shocking to me...

...to see some of the reactions here to all of this these past couple of months.

[JohnSJ]

8. Muslim Americans make up about 2 to 3% of the Michigan population. The largest

population of Muslims is in Dearborn, the 8th largest city in Michigan.

Christians make up about 70% of Michigan, and Jews make up about 1%.

African Americans make up about 15% of Michigan's population.

The question isn't if Muslim Americans will vote for Biden, but will they vote for trump, and I suspect the majority of Michigan Muslim Americans will NOT vote for trump.

I think this perhaps gives a little more perspective to the situation, than the media's headline.

[MistakenLamb]

26. Not voting for Biden is a vote for Trump, this election is a strictly binary choice

[JohnSJ]

28. not necessarily, and it is a heck of a lot better than if they voted for trump. In addition,

there is more of a chance that independents might make up any deficit if the Michigan Muslim American community decided not to vote for either trump or Biden.

The optimism in me also believes that more Muslim Americans will vote for Biden and Democrats after the convention.

By that time there is a real possibility that a ceasefire will take place, and the hostages will be released. There are negotiations going on right with that.

[peggysue2]

48. Here's another set of cool facts

The UAW represents 391,000 active members in Michigan with 580,000 retired members. That's a huge voter pool. The Union just endorsed Joe Biden and Shawn Fain's rousing speech (calling Trump a scab) will reach a lot of those members while likely influencing family members, as well as other unions..

There are a number of issues being jockeyed around right now. There's also a lot of moving pieces behind the scenes; negotiations continue regarding the Gaza/Israeli conflict. We don't have a crystal ball but the idea that Arabs and Muslims (approx.242,000 people in Michigan) will all stay home or more incredulously vote for Donald Trump is a stretch. Unless, of course, Arab/Muslim Americans have a fascination for internment camps bc Trump and MAGA have made their positions abundantly clear when it comes to anyone who isn't white or Christian or touting the Trumpian playbook.

We shall see.

Does the Biden campaign have work to do? Of course, and I'm confident they will do just that.

[brush]

9. Makes little sense considering the alternative to Biden. Here's hoping the Gaza ceasefire plan works and tensions...

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in the region and among US Arabs/Muslims subside. This is getting out of hand.

Let's not be stupid because a war in the Mideast broke out. Nothing unusual there I must say. Changing 75 years of US policy towards Israel, both repug and Dem admins, doesn't happen like putting a car in reverse. Maybe liken it to putting an aircraft carrier in reverse. It's no easy task and takes much time and distance.

Let's hope the Biden/Blinken plan for a 2-month ceasefire works. The admin is doing everything it can to end this war. And they know Netanyahu is no friend.

[RAB910]

10. more proof the MSM is in the tank for Trump

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

93. So it seems

[mopinko]

11. follow the money.

[Hekate]

16. Yes, ma'am. Follow the fcking money.

[CousinIT]

12. To what end, exactly? Do they think Trump cares more about Gazans? Or them?

Do they believe that DESTROYING DEMOCRACY IN THE US is somehow the answer to have human rights or justice for Gazans?

HOW?

HAVE THEY EVEN THOUGH THIS THROUGH?

I don't think they have. At ALL.

LOGIC. MATTERS.

These people need to learn some.

[comradebillyboy]

20. American grievance culture doesn't hold a candle to

Islamic grievance culture.

[BannonsLiver]

21. I'm not sure about that.

[comradebillyboy]

23. I've lived all over the country including the South.

[TheKentuckian]

80. We can compare notes in a thousand years or so and see how it adds up

[LeftInTX]

25. That's true!! They even got Netanyahu in power via their election boycott!!

Cuz they were mad at Shimon Peres.

"We want it worse! We want it worse!"

[Zeitghost]

58. The simple answer is

They do not care. Opposing Israel is the only thing that matters, period. You're talking about a group/supporters who have repeatedly turned down the formation of their own nation unless it included the destruction of Israel.

They really do hate Jews that much.

[BannonsLiver]

13. I'm sorry they feel that way.

[Hekate]

15. As soon as Trump got into office he imposed a Muslim Ban that caused pure chaos at our airports..

…and untold misery everywhere in the country.

Maybe someone should remind them of how great that particular America was — and could be again.

[Deep State Witch]

18. Has Anyone Asked TFG Or Darling Nikki

How they would handle the Israeli-Palestinian conflict differently than Biden?

I mean, we know what TFG did before. He sent Jared over to talk to Bibi, but he didn't speak to ONE Palestinian. So, with all of the debates and town halls that those two have done, has anyone ever asked them about how they would handle the conflict if they were President?

[comradebillyboy]

22. I notice that none of the Arab states are doing anything

to help their Palestinian brothers and sisters.

[Ritabert]

24. Do they know Trump will begin deportations on day one

...and institute a Muslim ban on travel to the US? He will also let Netanyahu do whatever he wants with residents of the Gaza Strip.

[videohead5]

41. Trump will be 1 million times worse for the Palestinians

Trump will not care what Netanyahu does nor will he push for aid to the Palestinian people. President Biden is for a Palestinian State. Trump does not care.

[rso]

42. RSO

If they are that stupid, they deserve Trump.

[pinkstarburst]

44. That's some smart thinking right there considering

how they're sure to be treated under a Trump presidency...

[Oneironaut]

47. Go vote for Trump so that he can deport or murder you.

That’ll work out well!

[dalton99a]

49. If Biden loses in November on account of American Arabs and Muslims

Trump will reward them bigly

[The Bopper]

50. So when

They pass a law deporting anyone from that part of the world, they’ll be glad they voted for Trump.

[ecstatic]

52. Why won't they meet with him to talk this out? trump cannot and will not help

He still wants the Muslim ban.

I think I understand the pain they are feeling right now. 30,000 Palestinian civilians slaughtered with no end in sight. The ones who are not yet killed are slowly dying from starvation and disease. I'm appalled and disappointed myself.

President Biden will never be able to bring back the dead, but I think the first step to opening up communication again is for Biden to acknowledge the wrong that was done in our name, with our money, and to quickly stop it from continuing. Then help those who are suffering.

The bottom line is, we need each other. I know the Arab American community doesn't want to risk becoming irrelevant if Biden wins without their support, and again, trump would gladly kick them out. Just my opinion, of course.

[Jrose]

55. Would be weirdly ironic if many Islamaphobes in the U. S...

...would think...
'Well, if all those Arabs/Muslims oppose and harass Biden'...
Maybe Biden, who they're protesting, is on 'our side'.
So Biden gets more support from the 'other side'.

[keithbvadu2]

56. Trump, the Muslims' new pal.

[SarahD]

57. Smart move!

President Trump will be much better for them. Hahahahaha ...

[LetMyPeopleVote]

59. To the Muslims who say they won't vote for Biden next year, don't say you haven't been warned.

Link to tweet

[LeftInTX]

61. The National Review wants to declare UNRWA a terrorist group.

I'm sure Trump will do this.

[sakabatou]

65. Because Trump or some other repuke will be soooo much better

Guess they want to cut off their noses to spite their faces.

[betsuni]

66. Pundit on Meet the Press said Biden is being "protested by his base."

Claiming to have voted for Biden in 2020 but threatening not to vote for Biden because of something he has no control over means not knowing how government and the world works or what the Democratic Party is and is NOT THE BASE DUH.

And of course protesters all suddenly having brand new manufactured Abandon Biden signs, probably free T-shirts too.

[HAB911]

67. Suicide

[iemanja]

68. Somehow people missed the point that 30 members of his family had already been killed

Don't you think that would have an impact on you?

[shrike3]

70. It has been acknowledged at least twice in this thread.

[iemanja]

85. by the dozens of posters that called the man stupid?

I think not.

[shrike3]

89. I think you said, no one ... Anyway, whatever.

[iemanja]

96. You could always reread the post

and then you would find I said "people," not "no one."

[shrike3]

103. Uh -- people did acknowledge it? Just not enough for you, I guess?

Whatever. Don't got time for this.

[LeftInTX]

87. "Voters" is a plural word.

Most Arab-Americans are Lebanese, Syrian, Iraqi and Egyptian.

If this was about one person, it would be different.

Henry Ford brought Lebanese auto-workers to Michigan over 100 years ago. There have been growing communities since.

The mayor of Dearborn is Lebanese. He's one who is making a stink. I can see them being upset and standing with Palestinians, but the majority who say they aren't voting for Biden are not Palestinian. Trump will only make the situation worse and they know this. The mayor of Dearborn is a former Democratic state rep. He also supported Bernie over Biden in 2020. He's been a thorn in Biden's side before Oct 7th.

I don't know why he wasn't a thorn in Trump's side when he was a state rep during Trump's presidency.

[iemanja]

95. The Palestinian issue is very important to Muslims across the world

Not just Palestinians.

[JI7]

97. Yeah, because they like to hate on Jewish people

that's why they ignore what happens in Syria, Yemen, Pakistan , Afghanistan and every other place .

[iemanja]

108. So according to you

If one is concerned for the lives of Palestinians, including their own family members, they hate Jews. Keep telling yourself that. It makes it easier to dehumanize people.

[CincyDem]

104. It's obvious from all the support the Palestinians have gotten from their Arab nation neighbors.

….who do virtually nothing more than protest how Israel treats Palestinians while lifting less than a finger on their own to create a solution (other than protecting Hamas leadership and its billions).

Their value to the Muslim world seems to be little more than as a stick to hit Israel with.

[iemanja]

107. That is different from Muslim individuals

many of whom are angry at their governments for not taking action in support of Palestine.

[LiberalFighter]

75. Gee. My thoughts and prayers for them. If they want an Abandon Biden campaign they are stupid stupid stupid.

[Ferrets are Cool]

76. Just my opinion.

THEY ARE GOD DAMNED FUCKING IDIOTS.

[PufPuf23]

81. POTUS Biden is the political leader for a two-state solution.

The protestors are nuts turning on POTUS Biden and calling him Genocide Joe. POTUS Biden is the dam holding back expansion of the war and violence.

A two-state solution requires a fair division of land and natural resources and sovereign security.

It is readily apparent that Hamas and other parts of the Arab and Islamic World hold the similar opinions as many current members of the Israeli government and Israelis; the two-state solution is not desirable nor possible. A viable Palestine would require more than Gaza and the West Bank; perhaps even as much as the partition proposed by the UN in 1948 and considering water and mineral rights, agriculture land, and ready access. Make Jerusalem an international city even.

Have an idea that will likely have me called an idiot.

Why doesn't the USA petition the United Nations for permission to enter Gaza and the West Bank and occupy with military. Create a permanent ceasefire and secure borders and evict settlers. Palestine needs connectivity and an international airport. Lead the rebuilding of infrastructure, building democratic political institutions for Palestine elections, root out terrorists, and provide opportunity for the young other than cannon fodder. Meanwhile UN with Israel, Palestine, USA, and Middle Eastern Nations could finalize and implement a partition similar to the 1948 plan with Jerusalem independent. Move USA military out of nations where we are not wanted to Palestine. Demilitarize Palestine.

Proceed to laugh at my post. Not saying would be simple.

POTUS Biden could do this and have 4 more years to work out the details. Most of the World would be happy. Israeli hardliners would need to be bullied.

[Autumn]

98. Every President in my lifetime has been for a two state solution. Netanyahu and Hamas are dead set against a

two state solution. That is why Netanyahu has kept Hamas in power, they have the same goals.

[LeftInTX]

99. I think Trump was against it.

[Autumn]

102. He was for a two state solution.

JERUSALEM (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump has proposed a "two-state" solution for the Israeli-Palestinian conflict but with strict conditions that Palestinians have rejected out of hand.
Trump's plan - dubbed "Peace to Prosperity" - addresses core issues of the conflict that have stymied peacemakers for decades such as borders, refugees, security and the status of Jerusalem and Israel's settlements in the occupied West Bank.

TWO STATES
Trump's plan sets in motion a four-year timeline for the creation of a Palestinian state, with Palestinians first having to agree to halt attacks by the Islamist militant group Hamas which controls Gaza.
Palestinians should set up governing institutions in order to establish their state, likely to be similar to the current Palestinian Authority, which has limited self-rule in parts of the West Bank.

https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN1ZS2UX/

[PufPuf23]

105. That is what I typed.

"It is readily apparent that Hamas and other parts of the Arab and Islamic World hold the similar opinions as many current members of the Israeli government and Israelis; the two-state solution is not desirable nor possible. A viable Palestine would require more than Gaza and the West Bank; perhaps even as much as the partition proposed by the UN in 1948 and considering water and mineral rights, agriculture land, and ready access. Make Jerusalem an international city even."

Pretty radical.

[Goodheart]

82. How fucking short-sighted can they get?

Netanyahu and trump describe each other as "friend".

Get real, Michigan.

[FloridaBlues]

83. Too bad they refused to meet with President Biden yesterday

They had a meeting scheduled and they refused to meet with campaign or Biden.

[NorseSaxonCelt]

84. Trump or Haley will be even bigger supporters of Israel...

Controlled by people that want to start Armageddon. Biden is at least respected by other World Leaders.

[republianmushroom]

88. Michigan's Arabs and Muslims may want to rethink about defeating Biden. Just saying it could be worst.

With House Seat at Stake, Republicans Court Jewish Voters Rattled by War

Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/03/nyregion/mazi-pilip-israel-suozzi.html

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10143188946

[lees1975]

90. So you're going to help Trump get elected so he can simply

round you up, get you off the streets and into concentration camps. So he can give Netanyahu license to level Gaza and push the population into the desert.

ANd let's see, this is an MSN news feed story so my guess is that it's for ratings and it doesn't really reflect what's going on among the Arab community in Michigan. More bogus drama for ratings.

[Vinca]

91. Am I the only one who thinks Trump would tell Bebe to nuke them and get it over with?

He'd also attempt to have the U.S. nuke Iran and eradicate that problem. The Arab and Muslim Americans - even if naturalized - should be afraid Trump would round them up and ship them out. I really don't get it.

[LeftInTX]

100. No you are not! I've been saying this.

Netanyahu would go hog wild under Trump. Any restraint he has would be thrown out the window. Don't think he will nuke because it will literally radiate Israel. But I can see him going hog wild with cluster bombs and try to flatten Gaza as quickly as possible.

[Jake Stern]

92. At the risk of sounding heartless

While I can certainly understand his immense grief and empathize with him, this is about much more than Mr. Enayah or his family. This is about multitude of families who will be put through hell if TFG gets in again, like:

- His fellow Muslims being banned from entering the US.

- Families seeking refuge from war, crime and disaster who will be turned away at the border.

- Families in Ukraine who will suffer further Russian aggression after the Tangerine Fuhrer shuts down military aid as a favor to his BFF Vlad.

Until we institute a viable multi-party system, all voters in the US are left with a binary choice: Democrats and Republicans. Yes, one of those parties may be a let down but that's far, far better than the other one which is running headlong into full on fascism.

[scipan]

94. Single issue voters

Brings to mind the anti abortion crowd. But at least they were intelligent enough that they kept voting for the party more on their side.

These people are intransigent.

[DBoon]

101. Compromise does not appear to be part of their political culture

[brush]

106. Not smart. If they help trump win Muslims will be at the top of the deportations list.