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Haley: Texas can Secede from the US if the state decides to do so (Original Post) senseandsensibility Jan 2024 OP
Awesome! mucifer Jan 2024 #1
MAGA! senseandsensibility Jan 2024 #3
The more she speaks, the more I see how much of an idiot she truly is. TheBlackAdder Jan 2024 #42
Agreed. The more she talks, the more moronic she seems. brush Feb 2024 #54
if wishing it made it so... lapfog_1 Jan 2024 #2
She knows better, but she can't stop pandering. TwilightZone Jan 2024 #4
Please tell me she didn't say "succeed." Gidney N Cloyd Jan 2024 #5
She didn't. TwilightZone Jan 2024 #9
I see the original post's been corrected now. Gidney N Cloyd Jan 2024 #14
That was me typing too fast senseandsensibility Jan 2024 #15
She really is an idiot. Beausoleil Jan 2024 #6
Was Cheato onto something with senseandsensibility Jan 2024 #8
I don't think she's really an idiot. TwilightZone Jan 2024 #11
She just plays one on TV. Beausoleil Jan 2024 #18
A lot of Rs play idiots on TV. TwilightZone Jan 2024 #20
I think a lot of them really are idiots Beausoleil Jan 2024 #26
Secede? 0rganism Jan 2024 #7
You're right senseandsensibility Jan 2024 #10
I can just her it now from the magats there: grumpyduck Jan 2024 #12
Mexico will pay for it! All of it! unblock Feb 2024 #53
Not going to happen but she gets points from the wingnuts just for saying it. keithbvadu2 Jan 2024 #13
That's the intent, of course. TwilightZone Jan 2024 #16
So she didn't know what caused the Civil War, rsdsharp Jan 2024 #17
Many Texans believe this? Shamefully spread by Texas GOP politicans. walkingman Jan 2024 #19
Exactly, thanks for that background, and senseandsensibility Jan 2024 #22
She knows. TwilightZone Jan 2024 #27
Should automatically disqualify her lindysalsagal Jan 2024 #21
The anti-Lincoln running in the party of Lincoln bucolic_frolic Jan 2024 #23
You summarized my reaction senseandsensibility Jan 2024 #28
Haley, Thank God you republicans won that war back in the 1860s. keithbvadu2 Jan 2024 #24
Battle Cry of Freedom struggle4progress Jan 2024 #25
There's a book, BATTLE CRY OF FREEDOM, that's a kick-butt history of the Civil War. Also raccoon Feb 2024 #57
She can say goodbye to 40 GOP electoral votes if that happens. tinrobot Jan 2024 #29
OMG senseandsensibility Jan 2024 #30
So then TX votes don't count for President. They get President Abbott. And the US builds a wall around Texas! Freethinker65 Jan 2024 #31
all the us would have to do then is announe that the cowboys and texasn are no longer allowed to travel to the us moonshinegnomie Feb 2024 #56
Whaaaaat EarlG Jan 2024 #32
She said this on the Breakfast Club (I think) senseandsensibility Jan 2024 #38
And she means like how it was OK for S Carolina to be the first state no_hypocrisy Jan 2024 #33
And how did that work out? hatrack Jan 2024 #36
best of luck to the gop to EVER win the white house again without Texas's guarenteed electoral votes Takket Jan 2024 #34
They'll lose their government benefits and try skedaddling into adjoining states. Talitha Jan 2024 #35
President Biden will build a wall. Mr.Bill Jan 2024 #48
Kudos - I like the way you think!!! Talitha Feb 2024 #49
That would be devastating for Texas. patphil Jan 2024 #37
Nice summary senseandsensibility Jan 2024 #39
as long as austin,houston,dallas san antonio and the other blue parts get to stay in the us moonshinegnomie Feb 2024 #55
Spoken Like A Daughter of South Carolina Deep State Witch Jan 2024 #40
I'm fine with that. It seems to be the least worst path. Voltaire2 Jan 2024 #41
They can try. Iggo Jan 2024 #43
This is why she is unfit. She's just a less obnoxious version of vivek ecstatic Jan 2024 #44
"She's just a less obnoxious version of vivek" Talitha Feb 2024 #50
She's just trying to show that the Civil War (at least son of Civil War) was not about slavery. Of course, when it is Wonder Why Jan 2024 #45
The secession will take place at the same time I get my 40 acres and mule. LoisB Jan 2024 #46
ZERO UNDERSTANDING OF LAW usonian Jan 2024 #47
So then we build a wall ALL the way around TX? Gotta reinvest in those border wall building companies! dutch777 Feb 2024 #51
Well she's no Abe Lincoln. NT. andym Feb 2024 #52
Haley is a dangerous snake. dalton99a Feb 2024 #58
Disqualifying. MaryMagdaline Feb 2024 #59

brush

(57,052 posts)
54. Agreed. The more she talks, the more moronic she seems.
Thu Feb 1, 2024, 03:09 AM
Feb 2024

After the Civil War, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that it was, in fact, illegal for states to secede from the union. That means there is no approved process for a state to form its own nation.

https://www.citizenscount.org/news/what-would-it-look-if-nh-seceded?gad_source=1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIooy5ysmJhAMVZDutBh0sBglyEAMYASAAEgKNEvD_BwE

senseandsensibility

(20,256 posts)
8. Was Cheato onto something with
Wed Jan 31, 2024, 07:56 PM
Jan 2024

the birdbrain nickname? I thought it was ridiculous projection, but this is another example of her lacking common sense and an inner moral compass.

TwilightZone

(27,955 posts)
11. I don't think she's really an idiot.
Wed Jan 31, 2024, 07:59 PM
Jan 2024

She just can't help pandering to the R base. She knows that she's wrong, but says what she thinks the base wants to hear.

TwilightZone

(27,955 posts)
20. A lot of Rs play idiots on TV.
Wed Jan 31, 2024, 08:05 PM
Jan 2024

Including Trump.

They are actors following a script, because the formula has been proven successful with R voters.

Beausoleil

(2,923 posts)
26. I think a lot of them really are idiots
Wed Jan 31, 2024, 08:12 PM
Jan 2024

Comer for one, he is a real dumbass.

Boebert, of course.

There is a marked difference between most R senators and the whole GOP house.

They really are not sending their best to the house, but the pickings are slim too.

rsdsharp

(10,038 posts)
17. So she didn't know what caused the Civil War,
Wed Jan 31, 2024, 08:02 PM
Jan 2024

and doesn’t know how it worked out for the states that did secede.

walkingman

(8,241 posts)
19. Many Texans believe this? Shamefully spread by Texas GOP politicans.
Wed Jan 31, 2024, 08:04 PM
Jan 2024

In 2009, then-Gov. Rick Perry made national headlines for jokingly suggesting that Texas might secede.

In June 2022, the Texas State Republican Convention adopted a platform urging the Legislature to put a referendum before the people of Texas in November 2023 “to determine whether or not the State of Texas should reassert its status as an independent nation.”

And in 2023, former state Rep. Bryan Slaton filed a resolution seeking an election to allow Texas voters to decide whether to leave the United States.

Despite perennial talk of another secession, the law is clear that Texas may not leave the union.

https://www.texastribune.org/2021/01/29/texas-secession/#:~:text=No%2C%20Texas%20can't%20legally,that%20a%20state%20cannot%20secede.

senseandsensibility

(20,256 posts)
22. Exactly, thanks for that background, and
Wed Jan 31, 2024, 08:07 PM
Jan 2024

if Haley knows this (I hope she does), she is willing to risk ridicule from most of the population just to pander to wingnuts.

TwilightZone

(27,955 posts)
27. She knows.
Wed Jan 31, 2024, 08:12 PM
Jan 2024

She's just playing dumb. Same thing she did when she said the Civil War was about how government was run.

bucolic_frolic

(46,512 posts)
23. The anti-Lincoln running in the party of Lincoln
Wed Jan 31, 2024, 08:09 PM
Jan 2024

That she has no clue as to how that sounds and is a non-starter for the USA, having fought a civil war over secession, she should just quit. That will sink her candidacy at some point. Are they all just as dumb as Trump?

raccoon

(31,409 posts)
57. There's a book, BATTLE CRY OF FREEDOM, that's a kick-butt history of the Civil War. Also
Thu Feb 1, 2024, 06:10 AM
Feb 2024

has a lot about the decades leading up to it.

moonshinegnomie

(2,888 posts)
56. all the us would have to do then is announe that the cowboys and texasn are no longer allowed to travel to the us
Thu Feb 1, 2024, 03:25 AM
Feb 2024

after all they are now a foreign country. imagine the screams from their fans when they realize there sports teams are as good as defunct. after all the us would have no obligation to allow the now foreign teams into tthe country to work


senseandsensibility

(20,256 posts)
38. She said this on the Breakfast Club (I think)
Wed Jan 31, 2024, 09:12 PM
Jan 2024

a radio show. As you point out above, it is illegal. I think this should be getting more attention.

no_hypocrisy

(48,492 posts)
33. And she means like how it was OK for S Carolina to be the first state
Wed Jan 31, 2024, 08:24 PM
Jan 2024

to secede in 1860? No sense of history or irony.

Talitha

(7,415 posts)
35. They'll lose their government benefits and try skedaddling into adjoining states.
Wed Jan 31, 2024, 08:37 PM
Jan 2024

How should we greet the new immigrants... with razor wire?

patphil

(6,867 posts)
37. That would be devastating for Texas.
Wed Jan 31, 2024, 09:00 PM
Jan 2024

15 military bases with over 164 thousand personnel (as of 9/2017) and about $100 billion in economic impact.
And that's just one aspect of the financial disaster they would go through.
On the other hand, Texas has 25 Republican and 13 Democrat US House members, and 2 Republican Senators. Losing that would be a big positive for the rest of the nation.

senseandsensibility

(20,256 posts)
39. Nice summary
Wed Jan 31, 2024, 09:14 PM
Jan 2024

The ones that want this are idiots, or using it to pander to idiots. But it's tempting to tell them to go ahead.

moonshinegnomie

(2,888 posts)
55. as long as austin,houston,dallas san antonio and the other blue parts get to stay in the us
Thu Feb 1, 2024, 03:22 AM
Feb 2024

the rest of this hellhole can wither and die

Deep State Witch

(11,156 posts)
40. Spoken Like A Daughter of South Carolina
Wed Jan 31, 2024, 09:21 PM
Jan 2024

Where they're proud to be the ones who fired on Fort Sumter and started the Civil War.

Voltaire2

(14,626 posts)
41. I'm fine with that. It seems to be the least worst path.
Wed Jan 31, 2024, 09:38 PM
Jan 2024

Our federation is unsustainable. There is no common ground. One of the two major parties is an overtly fascist party intending to implement authoritarian one party rule. There is no middle ground between authoritarianism and democratic liberalism.

Given a choice between fascism and separation, I’ll take separation. I think, realistically that is where we are.

Wonder Why

(4,553 posts)
45. She's just trying to show that the Civil War (at least son of Civil War) was not about slavery. Of course, when it is
Wed Jan 31, 2024, 10:17 PM
Jan 2024

talked about in the future, she'd probably deny it was about immigration, civil rights, the Constitution, the rule of law, intelligence vs stupidity, human decency, honest conduct, ethics, equal protection of the law, Democracy, etc, etc.

"It was the War of Democratic Party Aggression!"

Remember, Nikki,, when Texas is devastated, it might behoove the federal government to truly make peace with the Mexican government of past aggression and let them have the whole state back - provided of course, that immigrants would be given free property throughout Texas.

LoisB

(8,470 posts)
46. The secession will take place at the same time I get my 40 acres and mule.
Wed Jan 31, 2024, 10:24 PM
Jan 2024

In other words, on the 12th of Never.

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