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kpete

(72,145 posts)
Wed Feb 7, 2024, 11:31 AM Feb 2024

Charles P. Pierce: Trump's Lawyers Need a New Box of Crayons.

The System Is Gearing Up.
For once, sanity and common sense are singing in tune, a rare melody in this cacophonous time.

There was a time in our history, and not so very long ago, that the evaporation of a ludicrous legal claim in a federal appeals court would not rate a box on page 21 of the Metro section. But this is not then, so when El Caudillo del Mar-a-Lago brought his ludicrous claim on limitless presidential immunity before the D.C Court of Appeals, and when, after a substantial (and nerve-wracking) delay, the Court on Tuesday left that claim a pile of smoking meat on a back road, it was a veritable legal earthquake. Three women on the bench looked at the exalted claims of a guy who already has been judged a sexual predator and laughed in his face. From the decision:

Since then, hundreds of people who breached the Capitol on January 6, 2021, have been prosecuted and imprisoned. And on August 1, 2023, in Washington, D.C., former President Trump was charged in a four-count Indictment as a result of his actions challenging the election results and interfering with the sequence set forth in the Constitution for the transfer of power from one President to the next. Former President Trump moved to dismiss the Indictment and the district court denied his motion. Today, we affirm the denial. For the purpose of this criminal case, former President Trump has become citizen Trump, with all of the defenses of any other criminal defendant. But any executive immunity that may have protected him while he served as President no longer protects him against this prosecution...

...“We cannot accept former President Trump’s claim that a President has unbounded authority to commit crimes that would neutralize the most fundamental check on executive power — the recognition and implementation of election results. Nor can we sanction his apparent contention that the Executive has carte blanche to violate the rights of individual citizens to vote and to have their votes count...

..At bottom, former President Trump’s stance would collapse our system of separated powers by placing the President beyond the reach of all three Branches. Presidential immunity against federal indictment would mean that, as to the President, the Congress could not legislate, the Executive could not prosecute and the Judiciary could not review. We cannot accept that the office of the Presidency places its former occupants above the law for all time thereafter. Careful evaluation of these concerns leads us to conclude that there is no functional justification for immunizing former Presidents from federal prosecution in general or for immunizing former President Trump from the specific charges in the Indictment.


Moreover, the Appeals panel clearly has lost tolerance for the former president*'s well-worn strategies for running out the clock. It gave him until Monday to bring his case to the Supreme Court, or else it will all go back to Judge Tanya Chutkan for trial. (His lawyers may have to buy a new box of crayons.) And that low hum you hear is the slow revving of the machinery back there. The system is powering up again.

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a46663540/donald-trump-election-results-federal-appeals-court/
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Charles P. Pierce: Trump's Lawyers Need a New Box of Crayons. (Original Post) kpete Feb 2024 OP
We, each and everyone of us, are witnessing Ninga Feb 2024 #1
I suspect they've been eating the crayons. CaptainTruth Feb 2024 #2
"El Caudillo del Mar-a-Lago" Ray Bruns Feb 2024 #3
With locked cabinets full of National Security secrets! Justice matters. Feb 2024 #4
Just sometimes you feel so all alone, you find others asiliveandbreathe Feb 2024 #5
It is PAST high time to bring the tent down on this circus! lastlib Feb 2024 #6
Although obviously great news, I'm having trouble understanding what it has to do robbob Feb 2024 #7
I wonder does anyone have a link Dan Feb 2024 #8

Ninga

(8,302 posts)
1. We, each and everyone of us, are witnessing
Wed Feb 7, 2024, 11:39 AM
Feb 2024

the “wheels of justice grinding slowly”
crayons indeed.

Justice matters.

(7,004 posts)
4. With locked cabinets full of National Security secrets!
Wed Feb 7, 2024, 01:13 PM
Feb 2024

And months and months and months (3.11 years) he still walks free inciting his violent xtian nationalists to commit domestic terrorism acts!

asiliveandbreathe

(8,203 posts)
5. Just sometimes you feel so all alone, you find others
Wed Feb 7, 2024, 02:08 PM
Feb 2024

are treading water, as well...from article..

after a substantial (and nerve-wracking) delay, the Court on Tuesday left that claim a pile of smoking meat on a back road, it was a veritable legal earthquake...perfectly observed..

lastlib

(23,614 posts)
6. It is PAST high time to bring the tent down on this circus!
Wed Feb 7, 2024, 02:10 PM
Feb 2024
LHTFU*!

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(*"Lock Him the F--- Up!&quot

robbob

(3,554 posts)
7. Although obviously great news, I'm having trouble understanding what it has to do
Wed Feb 7, 2024, 02:21 PM
Feb 2024

Last edited Thu Feb 8, 2024, 10:02 AM - Edit history (1)

with “president Trump” vs. “Citizen Trump”. The man tried to overthrow the results of an election so he could remain in power. So are we saying if he HAD succeeded he would, as president, be untouchable?

Or another scenario: Joe Biden decides to round up all the MAGA gop-ers and have them summarily executed by firing squad for high treason. I know some people here think that’s probably what they deserve, but my point is: does Joe now say hey, I’m president, you can’t arrest me, I have total immunity while I’m in office, which, btw, I’m planning to be for the rest of my life…

I don’t see why it makes any difference, except perhaps in the case of things a president might do while performing the duties of their office. tRump wasn’t performing the duties of his office, he was leading an insurrection, trying to overthrow the results of a free and fair election, which he KNEW it was ( I believe that’s been established by eye witness accounts). He was actually betraying the oath he was sworn to uphold, president or not.

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