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stollen

(422 posts)
Wed Feb 7, 2024, 04:05 PM Feb 2024

I just ran a MAGA guy out of a cafe without trying

I'm in a Shenandoah Valley diner where you can make chit chat with anyone. I asked a guy near our table who he was rooting for in the Super Bowl. He didn't care. But he quickly changed the subject to politics and to how bad a shape the country was in.

I asked in what way. He said because of all the migrants that were coming in, for one. I asked him why the GOP won't vote for Biden's border bill. "Dave" said it was a bad bill. What's bad about it? He said it was too costly.

I asked, then why doesn't the GOP come up with its own bill? He said because the Dems will not let them.

Then why didn't the GOP create and pass their own bill when they had control of all 3 branches? Dave said the GOP had never controlled all three branches. I said that they had, during the first 2 years of Trump's term, 2016 - 2018. "Do you agree?" He said absolutely not.

I asked him to give me a moment as I looked the info up on my cell. Dave got up, I thought to the toilet, but he'd fled the premises!

Why, if he was so sure??

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I just ran a MAGA guy out of a cafe without trying (Original Post) stollen Feb 2024 OP
His fragile ego couldn't take it. yardwork Feb 2024 #1
Questions are a powerful weapon against people who have been brainwashed RAB910 Feb 2024 #2
I'll add that to my LTTE stollen Feb 2024 #7
In too many cases, they don't expect to be questioned at all. calimary Feb 2024 #9
Yes this guy seems like a complete dipshit Gregory Peccary Feb 2024 #18
Or maybe just successfully faked knowing it. soldierant Feb 2024 #45
Remember when Obama was president on 9-11-01? CrispyQ Feb 2024 #3
I think the medical term is flingshitmaybewillstickitis, hadEnuf Feb 2024 #19
That was a Jorden Klepper video. Woodwizard Feb 2024 #35
I thought of Jordan afterward stollen Feb 2024 #43
You get a heart for that. sinkingfeeling Feb 2024 #4
Good job! zuul Feb 2024 #5
I was very calm, matter of fact stollen Feb 2024 #6
Well done! limbicnuminousity Feb 2024 #8
He'd rather run away and hide Quanto Magnus Feb 2024 #10
Snowflake djacq Feb 2024 #11
Lol Demovictory9 Feb 2024 #12
Masterful job! live love laugh Feb 2024 #13
Their shaky framework can't take too many taps before it starts to crumble. NBachers Feb 2024 #14
He was skippingout on his tab, obviously. jaxexpat Feb 2024 #15
Going for wings and fries at a great place but not a liberal area at all. twodogsbarking Feb 2024 #16
Cognitive dissonance must have been excruciating Warpy Feb 2024 #17
I don't know which is worse... ShazzieB Feb 2024 #25
Insecure, willfully ignorant, but ALWAYS seeking agreement and validation Attilatheblond Feb 2024 #28
LOL, these MAGA mofos always run away from the truth LymphocyteLover Feb 2024 #20
So he thinks the country is in terrible shape because we're letting migrants in, but he doesn't want to spend the money. SunSeeker Feb 2024 #21
Bye Dave. 1WorldHope Feb 2024 #22
Slapped in the face with the truth he ran out with his fingers in his ears going "Nananananananana" ZonkerHarris Feb 2024 #23
The magat is a moron. But for accuracy's sake the GOP did come up with HR2 radius777 Feb 2024 #24
Thanks stollen Feb 2024 #31
He's fleeing the interview!!! ret5hd Feb 2024 #26
Great line then, great line now. JudyM Feb 2024 #53
Thintelligence kgray96057 Feb 2024 #27
Seems to me, a waste of time MorbidButterflyTat Feb 2024 #29
Yes, well, I was polling the diner for football fans to be friendly stollen Feb 2024 #42
"But Faux says it's all the Dems fault." lpbk2713 Feb 2024 #30
that is great. barbtries Feb 2024 #32
Good for you. Nice Job!!! Fla Dem Feb 2024 #33
Had a co-worker like that years ago. Basic LA Feb 2024 #34
He gave one of the biggest cost of living raise for soldiers. Woodwizard Feb 2024 #36
They had the majority and couldn't even pass funding for the wall. Emile Feb 2024 #37
2017-2019. Nov 2016 was election blm Feb 2024 #38
Thanks. I want to be precise. stollen Feb 2024 #40
It's a common mistake. blm Feb 2024 #41
Sounds like just what I dealt with in an argument with my coworker tornado34jh Feb 2024 #39
Thanks, folks, for your thoughtful and humorous feedback. stollen Feb 2024 #44
This is their bill. But you hit him with plenty. BootinUp Feb 2024 #46
The House passed their own border bill last summer MichMan Feb 2024 #54
They cant handle it. Especially the "Trump's VP will be JFK Jr" types. oldsoftie Feb 2024 #47
Wow, good job. SlimJimmy Feb 2024 #48
Post removed Post removed Feb 2024 #49
Hello. GP6971 Feb 2024 #50
Thanks for giving it your best effort, stollen. PlanetBev Feb 2024 #51
You can't fix stupid. AZ8theist Feb 2024 #52
Because MAGA Bullies are Cowards.... Mr. Mustard 2023 Feb 2024 #55
yep! A simple 'prove it' response shuts most of them down i have found. samnsara Feb 2024 #56
Had the same convo with a guy in my office yesterday. louis-t Feb 2024 #57
I would be willing to bet that Prof. Toru Tanaka Feb 2024 #58
Oh dear! BigMin28 Feb 2024 #59

yardwork

(61,862 posts)
1. His fragile ego couldn't take it.
Wed Feb 7, 2024, 04:08 PM
Feb 2024

Good for you for staying calm and persistent.

I would have been tempted to observe that the Republicans seem like wusses being pushed around by strong powerful Democrats, but that would have been counter productive.

RAB910

(3,550 posts)
2. Questions are a powerful weapon against people who have been brainwashed
Wed Feb 7, 2024, 04:14 PM
Feb 2024

The right-wing propaganda machine only anticipates so many questions so you can catch them off-guard.

In this case, it should be worth noting that the bill the GOP opposes is the bill the Senate GOP crafted

calimary

(81,702 posts)
9. In too many cases, they don't expect to be questioned at all.
Wed Feb 7, 2024, 05:18 PM
Feb 2024

So they’re totally not ready or prepared to defend their positions. They’re merely given the talking points and then cut loose. With no understanding whatsoever.

I suspect the Republicans want us ALL non-discerning and non-questioning. Control is easier when your dictates are mutely accepted with no thought or analysis.

“Take what we give you, and swallow what we feed you.”

Gregory Peccary

(490 posts)
18. Yes this guy seems like a complete dipshit
Wed Feb 7, 2024, 06:09 PM
Feb 2024

But he actually sounded more coherent than probably 90% of the Fox-ified zombies. It's a low bar I know, but at lease he knew there are three branches of government, lol.

CrispyQ

(36,644 posts)
3. Remember when Obama was president on 9-11-01?
Wed Feb 7, 2024, 04:15 PM
Feb 2024

There's video of some guy blaming Obama for not doing enough as president when 9-11 happened. What is the correct emotion for this kind of willful ignorance? or

Woodwizard

(857 posts)
35. That was a Jorden Klepper video.
Wed Feb 7, 2024, 07:35 PM
Feb 2024

Some of the people he interviews have about two cards of a full deck.

stollen

(422 posts)
6. I was very calm, matter of fact
Wed Feb 7, 2024, 04:25 PM
Feb 2024

I was trying to find any common ground. He started talking about bad countries we need to be concerned about...N Korea, Russia, Hungary, Venezuela, etc. I said I agreed. But why has a trump said the leaders of these countries are very good people, his friends?

Dave said Trump doesn't really believe that...he's setting a trap for them.

I said I couldn't read Trump's mind, that I believed what he told me.

As I've already known, these MAGA folk are under some hypnotic trance. Their reasoning skills are in the WC.

I'd only wanted to know who he liked in the Super Bowl. That that had brought up so much anger from Dave tells me he's shooting up a one way ticket on propaganda TV 24/7.

Quanto Magnus

(910 posts)
10. He'd rather run away and hide
Wed Feb 7, 2024, 05:19 PM
Feb 2024

than admit he was wrong... Seems to be a common trait for those on the right.

twodogsbarking

(10,071 posts)
16. Going for wings and fries at a great place but not a liberal area at all.
Wed Feb 7, 2024, 05:59 PM
Feb 2024

There are a number of tvs and at least two of them will be on two different hunting channels.
'merica

Warpy

(111,559 posts)
17. Cognitive dissonance must have been excruciating
Wed Feb 7, 2024, 06:02 PM
Feb 2024

He will most likely avoid that cafe from now on. Not talking politics at random strangers is the lesson he needs to learn, but those people are thick..

Good job.

ShazzieB

(16,750 posts)
25. I don't know which is worse...
Wed Feb 7, 2024, 06:38 PM
Feb 2024

It's bad enough that these people believe such ridiculous things, but what really gets me is the way they seem to automatically assume that random strangers share their views.

Attilatheblond

(2,320 posts)
28. Insecure, willfully ignorant, but ALWAYS seeking agreement and validation
Wed Feb 7, 2024, 06:52 PM
Feb 2024

It's how they deal with the dark inner knowledge that they don't understand anything that is going on.

SunSeeker

(51,925 posts)
21. So he thinks the country is in terrible shape because we're letting migrants in, but he doesn't want to spend the money.
Wed Feb 7, 2024, 06:26 PM
Feb 2024

He obviously does not care about border security that much.

ZonkerHarris

(24,355 posts)
23. Slapped in the face with the truth he ran out with his fingers in his ears going "Nananananananana"
Wed Feb 7, 2024, 06:30 PM
Feb 2024

MAGA = coward

radius777

(3,635 posts)
24. The magat is a moron. But for accuracy's sake the GOP did come up with HR2
Wed Feb 7, 2024, 06:33 PM
Feb 2024

in 2023 after they took back the House, but it had no chance of passing the Dem controlled Senate or being signed by Biden.

When Repubs controlled all three branches in 2017-18 they lacked a filibuster proof majority in the Senate to do it all by themselves. Repubs did attempt to negotiate a border deal with Dems who wanted DACA, and Trump was going to do it, but the base revolted and Trump backed out.

kgray96057

(26 posts)
27. Thintelligence
Wed Feb 7, 2024, 06:52 PM
Feb 2024

In the original Jurassic Park novel, Michael Crichton coined a term that aptly describes this mind set: "They have what I call "thintelligence." They see the immediate situation. They think narrowly and they call it "being focused." They don't see the surround. They don't see the consequences."

He was referring to the engineers who designed and built the park. I have borrowed the term to apply to anyone who looks at a narrow- and bias confirming- view of a situation, and reacts only on that basis. To someone who takes it as read that what they hear or read or see, via media targeted to their existing beliefs, represents the only important information in a given situation. Someone who does not check other sources for confirmation, or look at primary sources- if possible- for verification.

Of particular note, when the thintelligent are confronted about this, they invariably double down on their ignorance. They don't accept the proven error and lean from it, they reject the correction.

Thintelligence is amazing, when encountered. Younger me used to wonder how people got through a day like this. Older me... thinks it must be damned comforting to live in their world. The one where they're right about important matters- and everything worth their attention confirms it.

stollen

(422 posts)
42. Yes, well, I was polling the diner for football fans to be friendly
Wed Feb 7, 2024, 08:58 PM
Feb 2024

but some diners have other things on their mind. When this guy flipped the subject to a complete falsehood, I felt that it was my civic duty to inform him of a fact that I could prove had he stayed around long enough. It's not in me to nod like I agree. The Valley folk should know we don't all have to think like sycophants at a Nazi rally. At least not yet.

lpbk2713

(42,791 posts)
30. "But Faux says it's all the Dems fault."
Wed Feb 7, 2024, 06:59 PM
Feb 2024


That's where he gets his information from. You can't cure that kind of stupid.

 

Basic LA

(2,047 posts)
34. Had a co-worker like that years ago.
Wed Feb 7, 2024, 07:07 PM
Feb 2024

A good friend, actually, who said President Carter had slashed Defense spending. When I showed him the Defense Dept. stats that proved Carter had increased Defense spending by a lot (as all administrations do), he said, "You believe everything you read?"

Woodwizard

(857 posts)
36. He gave one of the biggest cost of living raise for soldiers.
Wed Feb 7, 2024, 07:41 PM
Feb 2024

Still was not much I started at 550 a month. I joined right after Reagan got elected, out of HS.

tornado34jh

(1,007 posts)
39. Sounds like just what I dealt with in an argument with my coworker
Wed Feb 7, 2024, 08:03 PM
Feb 2024

Couldn't handle a debate and shut it down. This seems like an almost carbon copy of what just happened to me.

stollen

(422 posts)
44. Thanks, folks, for your thoughtful and humorous feedback.
Wed Feb 7, 2024, 09:04 PM
Feb 2024

Gives me food for thought re: this type of vacuous behavior. Am I going to convince Dave of anything? No. Will he realized his opinion is not held by everyone in the Shenandoah Valley? Yes.

It's enough for me.

I got myself a membership and gave you all a heart. Love and peace!

oldsoftie

(12,721 posts)
47. They cant handle it. Especially the "Trump's VP will be JFK Jr" types.
Thu Feb 8, 2024, 01:12 AM
Feb 2024

And they REALLY are out there. He's still alive as is his wife. The whole thing was faked. Along with other batshit crazy stuff

SlimJimmy

(3,185 posts)
48. Wow, good job.
Thu Feb 8, 2024, 01:18 AM
Feb 2024

I would expect him to bring up the filibuster, but I guess running for him was a better option.

Response to stollen (Original post)

PlanetBev

(4,104 posts)
51. Thanks for giving it your best effort, stollen.
Thu Feb 8, 2024, 02:15 AM
Feb 2024

But these people just reside on a different planet. 🪐

Mr. Mustard 2023

(129 posts)
55. Because MAGA Bullies are Cowards....
Thu Feb 8, 2024, 10:24 AM
Feb 2024

who would rather suffer than admit error of any kind. Not just political error, but try getting them to admit blowing a sports call, or ordering a wrong sandwhich and it's always someone else's fault.

When confronted with reality they are so weak, they run away as your MAGA fool did. It's astonishing, and also clear we must defeat them, because we cannot change them.

samnsara

(17,684 posts)
56. yep! A simple 'prove it' response shuts most of them down i have found.
Thu Feb 8, 2024, 11:04 AM
Feb 2024

..good for you for even attempting to converse with a stranger...

louis-t

(23,323 posts)
57. Had the same convo with a guy in my office yesterday.
Thu Feb 8, 2024, 11:35 AM
Feb 2024

First half anyway. He's older and he starts getting mad so I let him off the hook. Any time he brings up the "invasion" at the border I tell him his boys don't actually want to solve the problem. Without it, they have nothing to run on. This is the guy that had Rush on the radio in the background for many years. One day after Rush perished from the earth, I walked in there and heard the voice in the background. I asked were they playing his old shows. He turned it up and it was some sound alike guy that spoke in the same pitch. I guess WJR figured their listeners would go away if they couldn't have that familiar background noise.

Prof. Toru Tanaka

(2,016 posts)
58. I would be willing to bet that
Thu Feb 8, 2024, 11:46 AM
Feb 2024

“Dave” would be unable to even name the three branches of government, much less know that the GQP controlled all three during the first half during the Trump maladministration.

BigMin28

(1,191 posts)
59. Oh dear!
Thu Feb 8, 2024, 02:27 PM
Feb 2024

You were going to use facts, evidence to prove him wrong. Facts are like kryptonite to the MAGAs.

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