Israel's "Deliberate Propaganda Campaign"" Holy Crap! From Democracy Now! This no conspiracy theory or some goofy

[TeamProg]

idea.

This is astounding! The lies to U.S. authorities, the fake news about UNWRA staffers being involved with the 10/7 attack. It appears to be all part of a propaganda strategy.

Didn't all the so-called Hamas evil doings sound a bit too unreal? Well, it was according to a journalist who looked closely at the many deaths of individual Israelis.

A piece about Hamas' atrocities in major media was written by a former IDF soldier!
I am NOT defending Hamas, but the truth requires exposure and WILL come out.

This is a MUST watch.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/13219556

[louis-t]

1. When you bulldoze Palestinian cemeteries

you aren't really interested in a 2 state solution.

[GuppyGal]

2. So the gopro footage and the aftermath is fake? nt

[TeamProg]

3. Watch the Demo Now video. nt

[GuppyGal]

4. I'll have to do it later if I remember I'm at work now. nt

[TeamProg]

5. I email myself links as reminders sometimes... nt

[2naSalit]

6. Pretty much...

What I suspected.

[ExciteBike66]

7. Aren't they all former IDF soldiers?

Thought service was compulsory there..

[BannonsLiver]

8. Tune in next week when Jeremy exposes the Holocaust as "Zionist propaganda!"

[JohnSJ]

9. Jeremy Scahill, of Glenn Greenwald's intercept fame, along with Democracy Now, pushing

his own left-wing brand of propaganda.

From blaming the U.S. as the cause of Russia invading Ukraine, along with their anti-NATO, anit-Hillary, Biden, and Democratic Party disinformation agenda.

He is saying those accusations of some reporters embedded with Hamas prior to October 7, or those with the UN being part of Hamas are just "Israeli propaganda"

Then why Mr. Hamas apologist Scahill, did those networks fire those embedded reporters, who also had pictures taken with Hamas leaders fired, and why did the UN fire those employees, if there was no credibility of those reports.

[TeamProg]

11. What is their motivation? We know what Netanyahu's is. nt

[MarineCombatEngineer]

13. And we also know what Hamas propaganda is

and this is it.

[TeamProg]

14. You did not watch the entire video, did you..

[MarineCombatEngineer]

16. I don't need to watch the entire video,

I know propaganda when I see it and this reeks of propaganda.
Both sides do it, one is just as bad as the other, but Israel really seems to be getting the brunt of Hamas bullshit here on DU by some.

[TeamProg]

19. Don't be afraid. The lack of evidence of Israel's claims are detailed. The truth WILL come out and the irony will be

studied at universities everywhere.

[Beastly Boy]

45. What are the details?

No evidence in a six-page dossier that was not meant to detail any evidence? I mean, just listing all the UNWRA employees complicit with Hamas by name and by title would take more than six pages!

Next investigative expose coming from Jeremy Scahill: no evidence of the validity of Einstein's theory of relativity in the Swedish Academy's statement awarding him a Nobel Prize. An outrage!

[TeamProg]

47. Easy there, the truth will come out. No doubt, that is what you are really eager

for.

Something important is lost here. Such as the indiscriminate bombing of residential buildings.

Let’s get it all out in the open. Exactly how many Palestinian children and women terrorists did the IDF murder? Fifteen, twenty thousand? More?

So, so very sickening. Bibi should check his mail for a letter from Jack Smith and the ICJ in about eight months, maybe sooner.

[lapfog_1]

56. those Palestinians... 20 thousand if you accept the Hamas numbers

died in a war zone.

War zones are NOT healthy places to be.

They were killed ( almost entirely ) by bombs.

They were not individual targeted or executed after surrendering.

I don't agree with the bombing campaign. But it is a WAR because Hamas started a war.

I watched enough of the video to hear Scahill repeat the Hamas LIES about the Oct 7th attack... that they only targeted the military outposts, that they didn't really even target civilians... that the civilians killed were killed by accident by the IDF, blah blah blah.

Complete and utter bullshit.

[TeamProg]

57. Right, and the 2020 election was stolen. Got it. (Obvious sarcasm)

[The Magistrate]

58. It's Not The Sarcasm That's Obvious, Sir

It's how out of your depth you are in pressing a Hamas propaganda line current for weeks already, as if it was some explosive 'hidden truth' brought newly to light by intrepid, iconoclastic leftist journalism....

[betsuni]

65. +1

[Beastly Boy]

60. So no details at all of the claimed lack of evidence. Figures.

And what is it that is being lost here? We are deflecting to... what, now? Bombing of Hamas military targets which Hamas terrorists admit were deliberately placed among Palestinian women and children? Did you notice that when you said let's get it ALL out in the open, you forgot to let this out in the open? I don't know about you, but I am tired of all the whitewashing of the terrorists who violate international law.

But OK, let's get some of it out in the open. Some things are already out in the open. South Africa was already embarrassed by the decision of the ICJ, and they didn't even charge Bibi with anything. What comes out of the court later promises to be even more embarrassing for South Africa's charges.

I am looking forward to your reply eight months or sooner from now that is just as... ahem... direct and to the point as your reply to my previous post. I am sure you will not disappoint.

[Cha]

44. Exactly. DN Pushed Jill Steins Lies that Hillary &

trump were the same in the 2016 GE.

They Pushed Tara Ried's Lies in 2020.

Now they're all over Cornel west for potus and MORE 3rd party Shite.

I know this bc I have an acquaintance who used to be a friend that sucks up DN Everyday. She says she'll "Never Vote for a Democrat Again.

Deal Breaker.

[TeamProg]

48. Your friend sounds a bit over emotional, no?

[TeamProg]

51. Hmm, that HRC and Trump were the same. Yeah, I don't think so.

On what planet?

You’ll have to explain that one a little.

[betsuni]

62. Stein urged voters to "absolutely not" vote for Hillary even in swing states, even if it meant a Trump win.

Said it would be a disaster if Trump was elected and a disaster if Hillary was elected. Trump is "dangerous" Hillary is "horrific." "We have two ways to commit suicide here. I say no thank you to them both." "Trump is a very dangerous and despicable demagogue. However, you know, policy for policy, Hillary's are also extremely dangerous."

She said it all the time, no difference between parties. But everyone knows that. Gets mad at Bernie Sanders for endorsing the Democratic nominee in elections, too.

[JohnSJ]

15. Why did the UN fire those employees? why did those neteworks fire those embedded reporters?

https://www.jpost.com/opinion/article-772565

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/01/26/unwra-oct-7-alleged-participation/

What is his motive? He has a left wing agenda, and he is bias in his reporting.

I am not defending Netanyahu, but Jeremy Scahill is not a reliable reporter.

The Intercept or Democracy Now never will present an opposing view point that they don't agree with.

[betsuni]

33. The Intercept and Democracy Now! are unreliable and biased.

"Journalism" of the "Saying something makes it true" pro-Russia anti-America (meaning Democrats) type. Specializing in stories about all the bad scary things the bad corrupt Democrats are going to do in the future, that never happen. Got so sick of it during the Obama administration and then of course it became worse.

[Cha]

55. No kidding! . They hate Democrats and work to RF our

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Elections. Jill Stein in the 2016 GE and now they're pushing Cornel West... More 3rd party Shite.

3rd Party Crap is a Scourge On Our Democracy.

[AloeVera]

74. There is a plausible explanation for the quick firing by UN.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.7107785

UNRWA spokesperson Juliette Touma said the agency acted to fire the staff immediately because of the seriousness and timing of the allegations — not because it had credible evidence against them.

"The commissioner-general of UNRWA did this in the best interests of the agency, due to the huge risks both to the reputation of the agency and also the largest humanitarian operation in response to the Gaza war," she told Channel Four News.

She said the firings were intended to reassure donor nations and forestall drastic actions.

The U.S. responded to the allegations by cutting funding immediately, although U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken acknowledged that it was relying on Israel's word alone.

Canada did the same. I imagine other countries too.

Canadian officials told CBC News that Canada's own decision to defund was a reaction to UNRWA's decision to dismiss the staffers, which created the impression that the agency saw Israel's allegation as credible.

So UNRWA and the UN show good faith and act quickly in hopes of staving off catastrophe. That quick action is seen as proof of guilt by donor countries with the result that catastrophe follows.

A tragi-comedy of errors, with possibly tragic consequences. Everyone looks bad and the Palestinians keep starving.

[sarisataka]

77. Hamas denounces UNRWA for 'bowing' to US pressure to renew funding

Hamas on Saturday denounced the decision by the United Nations Relief and Work Agency for Palestine Refugees (UNRWA) to renew a framework agreement for the year 2023-2024 with the US.

Hamas called on UNRWA to immediately retract the agreement and “provide all political and legal support to Palestinian refugees.”

***

The agreement sets forth understandings between UNRWA and the US. It includes multiple specific commitments to advance UNRWA’s ability to deliver effective and efficient aid to Palestinian refugees through strengthened accountability, transparency, and consistency with UN principles, including neutrality.

According to the agreement, the US and UNRWA share concerns about the threat of terrorism, including within the context of the UN’s firm commitment to counter-terrorism. It stipulates that “no contributions by the US shall be made to UNRWA except on the condition that [UNRWA] take all possible measures to assure that no part of the US contribution shall be used to furnish assistance to any refugee who is receiving military training …or who has engaged in any act of terrorism.”

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/hamas-denounces-unrwa-for-bowing-to-us-pressure-to-renew-funding/ar-AA1c4Y7j

This was from June of last year. The accusations of active participation in the attack, holding hostages, weapons in UNRWA facilities shows they have not taken "all possible measures" to remain neutral.

[AloeVera]

79. Thanks.

As you say, they are accusations. Not backed up by evidence. Israel is refusing to provide evidence about the 12 - or 4 - who they allege participated in Oct 7th.

The fact that Hamas condemned the UNRWA shows the agency is independent; neutral, no?

Israel controls who works for the UNRWA, having final approval. A list of employees was provided to Israel last year. No objections were raised. One has to wonder why not, if indeed the agency has so many Hamas employees, as Israel claims.

[sarisataka]

80. It shows the UNRWA is a pawn

used by both when convenient, not that they are neutral. In the case of the referenced Hamas criticism of the UNRWA Hamas was upset the UNRWA would teach the Holocaust happened. Also that the UNRWA would not openly support known terrorists.

The UNRWA has a complex relationship with Israel (much like all Middle-East relationships). Over the years they have praised and accused each other. Under Netanyahu there has been relatively unbroken criticism of the UNRWA.

I can find no reference that Israel controls who works for the UNRWA. Instead it appears they are responsible for their own hirings

James G. Lindsay, a former UNRWA general counsel and fellow researcher for Washington Institute for Near East Policy published a report for WINEP in 2009 in which he criticized UNRWA practices.[citation needed] One of his conclusions was that UNRWA is not ousting terrorists from its ranks:[124]

UNRWA has taken very few steps to detect and eliminate terrorists from the ranks of its staff or its beneficiaries, and no steps at all to prevent members of organizations such as Hamas from joining its staff. UNRWA has no preemployment security checks and does not monitor off-time behavior to ensure compliance with the organization's anti-terror rules. No justification exists for millions of dollars in humanitarian aid going to those who can afford to pay for UNRWA services.

In 2013 Lt. Col. (ret.) Jonathan Dahoah-Halevi, senior researcher of the Middle East and radical Islam at the Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs,[125] asserted that 'the UNRWA workers union has been controlled in practice by Hamas for many years'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UNRWA

[AloeVera]

81. Those sources are not unbiased

WINEP is a pro-Israeli think tank, some would say a core part of the Israeli lobby. Hardly neutral. Also their report is 15 years old. Before the framework of accountability established.

The JCPA has been described as neo-conservative.[12] It has been headed since 2000 by "Netanyahu confidante" Dore Gold.[13] In 2015 Haaretz identified Sheldon Adelson as "one of the main financers of JCPA in recent years";[13] Adelson was an American billionaire casino magnate, staunch supporter of Jewish settlement of the West Bank.[14]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerusalem_Center_for_Public_Affairs

I don't give much credence to those reports. I can guess they are full of allegations without much evidence to back them up.

The UNRWA has said a list was given to Israel last year of their employees. No objections raised. Further, the UN checks against their terrorist list as a security check.

[TeamProg]

10. Really? That is not funny in the slightest. Holocaust and sarcasm used in the same context. Did you watch the video?

[BannonsLiver]

20. So let me get this straight

That’s offensive, but you’re not the least bit offended and in fact are enthusiastically embracing some moonbat conspiracy theory that 10/7 was completely made up.

Makes a lot of sense.

[TeamProg]

22. Not even what I said. You did not watch the video, that 10/7 didn't happen was not in doubt. What is in doubt is that

Netanyahu had no idea that an attack was coming.

Let's look at something that we can all see with our own eyes: Israel's response to the 10/7 attack was over the top disproportionate.

Why? Simple, the ethnic cleaning of Gaza and Israel of all Palestinians. This is not disputed, even a few of Netanyahu's party officials have said so.

Proof:

Israel’s Far Right Calls for Palestinians to Resettle Outside Gaza
Comments spark tensions with U.S., as Blinken calls them inflammatory and irresponsible

Wall St. Journal: https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/israels-far-right-calls-for-palestinians-to-resettle-outside-gaza-6f1a720f

Israeli ministers attend conference calling for ‘voluntary migration’ of Palestinians

Attendance of 11 cabinet ministers and 15 coalition members of Knesset appears to violate ICJ ruling on Gaza war

The Guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/29/israeli-ministers-attend-conference-calling-for-voluntary-migration-of-palestinians

[BannonsLiver]

25. Okay, sorry I must have misunderstood your post and agree it's worth digging into.

In fact I found a BBC report on this that appears to validate at least some of what you’re saying.

[sarisataka]

12. Well that is a pile of denialism

and Hamas propaganda

You may not be defending Hamas but Mr. Scahill certainly is...

[TeamProg]

17. The truth will come out, be patient. Netanyahu simply took a page out of the BushCo playbook: "WMDs, yellow cake, poison

gas" according to the Democracy Now video.

[sarisataka]

18. And the video took a page out of Hamas playbook

-only current of future IDF members were targeted
-there were no sexual assaults
-civilian deaths were Israel killing their own people

The truth is there for those who don't wish it was a different version of the truth.

Regardless of the truth, whether you accept it or not, Netanyahu must go.

[Torchlight]

32. The truth always comes out as sure as

there is someone awlays ready to catch it, cook it, reinterpet it, and serve it up as sanctimony. Just another yellow page, I s'pose, gradually minimizing is often more effective thanoutright denial.

[TeamProg]

34. Don't ignore all of the news coming out of Israel. Netanyahu, his party - to their own admission, and the IDF are busy

forcing the "voluntary migration" of all Palestinians out of Gaza and from the rest of Israel's borders.

Do you deny that?

btw, THERE IS NO DENYING THAT.

[tritsofme]

35. You are taking the words of extremists and pretending it is the active policy of the government. Pretty weird.

[TeamProg]

37. Extremists? Yeah, I don't think so. See content links.

Proof:

Israel’s Far Right Calls for Palestinians to Resettle Outside Gaza
Comments spark tensions with U.S., as Blinken calls them inflammatory and irresponsible

Wall St. Journal: https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/israels-far-right-calls-for-palestinians-to-resettle-outside-gaza-6f1a720f

Israeli ministers attend conference calling for ‘voluntary migration’ of Palestinians

Attendance of 11 cabinet ministers and 15 coalition members of Knesset appears to violate ICJ ruling on Gaza war

The Guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/29/israeli-ministers-attend-conference-calling-for-voluntary-migration-of-palestinians
This is the nation that many here are defending.


Hey, I know how you might feel. If my ancestral land, Denmark, went on any kind of ethnic cleansing crusade and killed 25K plus people, I'd get defensive, too. It's natural, you are incorrect as time will tell, but it's still natural.

[tritsofme]

39. Yes, they are extremists. Their opinions are not the policy of the government.

Those that are part of Netanyahu’s coalition will be out of power soon.

You posted nothing indicating that it is the policy of the Israeli government to forcibly remove “all Palestinians out of Gaza and from the rest of Israel's borders”

That’s just not true, even if you wish it was, for the sake of your narrative.

[TeamProg]

40. I understand what you were saying, but look around at what's happening.

If you look closely, you will see hundreds upon hundreds of destroyed buildings that were occupied by Palestinians, mostly civilians, 10s of thousands killed.

So now try to tell me that there is not an ethnic cleansing forced “voluntary migration“ motive in place.

One does not have to listen to the far right Israeli extremists to see what mainstream Israel is doing to the Palestinians.

[tritsofme]

41. The fault for the destruction lies with Hamas, who started this conflict.

Without 10/7, those buildings would still be standing.

[TeamProg]

54. No doubt the bombing sped up the "voluntary migration". nt

[tritsofme]

67. Not sure then why Hamas is forcing such a situation on Gaza residents?

[marybourg]

59. Gee, I wonder why they would do such a thing.

It couldn’t possibly be because 1400 of their citizens were murdered, raped, defiled, degraded and kidnapped, now could it? If a Mexican drug cartel had breached our borders and done such a thing in our southwestern states, we would just have . . . . . (Finish the sentence)

[TeamProg]

61. So, in your mind the 10/7 attack be Hamas was completely unprovoked, is that it? The story is far bigger than it seems

most are willing to look at.

I do not condone what Hamas did, but that attack just didn't happen for no reason, right?

[The Magistrate]

63. Oh, It Happened For A Reason, Sir

It was planned over a period of many months, and executed in furtherance of goals held by a body of fundamentalist fanatics, whose chief aim is the extermination of Jews, to be followed by a theocratic dictatorship over the land 'from the river to the sea'. A vaguely rational purpose was to make impossible any further rapprochement between Arab powers and Israel. Atrocity was chosen as a tool for two purposes. One, to ensure blind rage and bloodlust among Israelis. Second, to provide outlet for the sadistic fantasies instilled in young men selected and groomed for the purpose of rape, torture, murder, and kidnapping by pious men certain of the will of their diety, and sure of his aid and favor in the holy cause of killing Jews.

I know you'd like to pretend there's something more to it, something aimed at human progress and freedom, something ennobling to the human spirit. But there isn't.

[Beastly Boy]

66. Oh, there was a reason for the attack allright!

All one has to do to learn what it was is to read the Hamas charter that, among other atrocious things, calls for the complete destruction of Israel. No provocation required, thank you.

You may not condone what Hamas did, but you sure turn a blind eye to what they repeatedly pledged to do, regardless of what Israel does or doesn't.

[marybourg]

69. I notice there is no answer to *my* question.

[TeamProg]

75. Correct.

[AloeVera]

71. In that case..

Don't sell the war as self-defense.

I wonder if Israel had been upfront about its plans to launch a war of total annihilation of Gaza itself, leading to starvation and forced expulsion of its people, if the West would have been so quick to give its unconditional support?

All is coming to light now but too late. Too late to save Gaza, maybe even too late for Palestine as a state.

Many people around the world find all this absolutely appalling.

[DemocraticPatriot]

50. "Extremists"? Do you mean Hamas, or the Israeli government?

Sorry, but I am confused....

Seems to me that they are BOTH "extremists"...
and both are working to prevent an end to the bloodshed in Gaza.

[tritsofme]

68. No, the person I responded to was trying to represent the opinion of some extremists as the policy of the

Israeli government. That was false.

[Celerity]

21. journalists from Sky News reviewed the so-called dossier and reported, "The Israeli intelligence documents make several

claims that Sky News has not seen proof of and many of the claims, even if true, do not directly implicate UNRWA.”

Britain’s Channel 4 also obtained the document and determined it “provides no evidence to support its explosive new claim that UNRWA staff were involved with terror attacks on Israel.”

The Financial Times, which also reviewed the materials, reported there were specific allegations of direct participation in the October 7 attacks against four Palestinians employed by UNRWA, not 12 as originally asserted.

https://news.sky.com/story/israeli-intelligence-report-claims-four-unrwa-staff-in-gaza-involved-in-hamas-kidnappings-13059967

https://www.channel4.com/news/israels-evidence-of-unrwa-hamas-allegations-examined

https://www.ft.com/content/bb8fc310-d359-4a31-b8e3-11a433b935f5

https://archive.is/9DkN3

Also, the Rupert Murdoch-owned Wall Street Journal, put out one of the main stories claiming (a claim that is not standing up to mainstream media scrutiny now) 10 per cent of UNRWA had ties to Hamas or Palestinian Islamic Jihad ( here: https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/at-least-12-u-n-agency-employees-involved-in-oct-7-attacks-intelligence-reports-say-a7de8f36 )

One of the authors of the WSJ article claiming connections between UNRWA staff and the October 7 attack is an Israeli correspondent who switched from the Times of Israel to the WSJ in December, see https://muckrack.com/carrie-keller-lynn/articles ) named Carrie Keller-Lynn. Lynn had served in the Israeli army and maintained close ties with a former Israeli IDF spokesperson, Aliza Landes, one of the early leading forces, going back to the 2000s, in starting up IDF propaganda on social media:

https://archive.is/CdU7E

Our itrek Leaders hail from the world’s leading MBA, Law, Policy, and STEM programs. In this edition of the Leader Spotlight series, we speak with two alumni Leaders and long-time friends about their connection to Israel, why they decided to lead a trip and how their itrek experience has influenced their current foray into podcasting.

Name: Aliza Landes
Schools: MIT Sloan, Harvard Kennedy School
Current Location: Tel Aviv
“Day Job”: VP-Lending and Exchanges at Celsius Network
Date of itreks: 2014, 2015, 2016

Name: Carrie Keller-Lynn
School: Stanford Graduate School of Business
Current Location: NYC and Tel Aviv
“Day Job”: Freelance Strategy Consultant
Date of itrek: 2016



How did you first meet?

Aliza: In 2008, I was in the Israeli Defense Forces and visiting my friend at Yale. Carrie was there as an undergrad, and that’s how we first met. And then Carrie came to Israel that summer.

Carrie: I went to serve in the military in 2009, and I was living on a kibbutz. It was a big change and it was a bit lonely. Aliza helped turn that around. I lived at her house on weekends, and her family adopted me, which is the most Israeli thing possible. We were two American East Coasters who ended up in Israel, and Aliza taught me what it is to be Israeli by bringing me into her life.

Aliza: I also taught you how to cut tomatoes.

Carrie: (Laughs) That’s true.

Was your Army experience what you expected?

Carrie: I was a military liaison to Egypt during the Arab Spring. But Aliza had a much more interesting service than I did.

Aliza: I was actually in the Army for six years, in the Spokesperson’s Unit. During the Gaza War, I showed some initiative and started a YouTube channel that ended up becoming the social media department for the Army, because they hadn’t done social media before.

Carrie: I often say that Aliza literally created social media for the IDF. She had to fight every step of the way. We think of it as obvious now that governments and leaders speak directly to people, but it wasn’t obvious in 2008. There’s a book that came out in 2017, War in 140 Characters, with an entire chapter on Aliza—on how she created this unit out of nothing.

Aliza: You’re my best publicist.

[obamanut2012]

24. Thank you for posting this!

[TeamProg]

28. Exactly. nt

[obamanut2012]

23. The UNWRA propo was something I was VERY doubtful about

Because of the lack of actual evidence, and who was presenting the lack of evidence.

I will not saw what else I am quite sure was false, because I don't feel like being alerted on.

[TeamProg]

30. I hear that! nt

[TheKentuckian]

26. "This no conspiracy theory or some goofy idea"

Seems to be exactly such.

Bullshit 10/7 denialism.

[TeamProg]

31. No one is saying 10/7 did not happen. You are putting words in my mouth, sir. Not cool. nt

[Cha]

43. DN Pushed Jill Stein's LIES IN the GE that Hillary & trump

were the same. They also pushed Tara Reid's Lies in 2020.

They are Now pushing Cornel West for potus and 3rd Party Shite.

I know bc I have an acquaintance who used to be a friend that loves CW and says she's Never going to vote for a Democrat Again.

How in depth is that?

[BootinUp]

49. +1

[Cha]

52. Mahalo!💙🌊🇺🇸🕊️🕯️

[betsuni]

64. No, DN has been falsely attacking Democrats since the Obama administration and this is a forum

for supporters of the Democratic Party, no big surprise it's not considered a reliable source. Debunking lies and disinformation and conspiracy theories becomes boring after a while and by about 2014 I stopped listening because what a waste of time.

[Demsrule86]

29. There is no doubt that Hamas attacked and murdered innocent people period and

like 50 people have died as hostages. Hamas are bad guys period. They have no redeeming qualities. It is just a damn shame so many innocents have died because of their despicable actions.

[TeamProg]

53. So, how did those innocents due? Not at the hands of Hamas, right? Perhaps it was the

indiscriminate BOMBING?

[Beastly Boy]

36. My response

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=139912

[Mountainguy]

38. US intelligence has backed up these claims

I trust them more than DemocracyNow.

[Cha]

46. Oh Hell Yes.. And US isn't the only Country..

More countries pause funds for UN Palestinian agency

LONDON, Jan 27 (Reuters) - Six European countries paused funding for the U.N. refugee agency for Palestinians (UNRWA) on Saturday, following allegations that some of its staff were involved in the Oct. 7 Hamas attacks on Israel.

Britain, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands, Switzerland and Finland on Saturday joined the United States, Australia and Canada in pausing funding to the aid agency, a critical source of support for people in Gaza, after the allegations by Israel.

SNIP---------------------------------------

[Philippe Lazzarini, UNRWA commissioner-general] said the decision by the nine countries threatened its humanitarian work across the region, especially in Gaza.

SNIP---------------------------------------

Lazzarini did not disclose the number of employees allegedly involved in the attacks, nor the nature of their alleged involvement. He said, however, that "any UNRWA employee who was involved in acts of terror" would be held accountable, including through criminal prosecution.

https://www.reuters.com/world/britain-italy-finland-pause-funding-un-refugee-agency-gaza-2024-01-27/

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218632345

[AloeVera]

70. No, U.S. intelligence did not conduct their own analysis.

Blinken himself said so, when questioned.

“We haven’t had the ability to investigate [the allegations] ourselves. But they are highly, highly credible,” Blinken said during a press conference.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.timesofisrael.com/blinken-says-evidence-of-unrwa-staffers-oct-7-involvement-highly-highly-credible/amp/

I find that very odd. No evidence, no independent verification by U.S. intelligence, but the allegations are highly, highly credible? How does that work?

[redqueen]

73. I wonder what he'll have to say about it now

Given the information shared in post 21

[AloeVera]

76. I see no good coming.

Hard for nations and politicians to admit an error of this magnitude. I fear they will keep defending it.

Also Israel is adamant about dismantling UNRWA. AT ANY COST. Benny Gantz said no aid except through international agencies, EVEN IF IT MEANS STOPPING AID. I wonder if he will join the Palestinians in stopping eating until the new aid structure is set up in a few months? Or maybe the goal is to force "voluntary migration" as the only "humanitarian" thing to do. After all, in Netanyahu's words, what can Israel do?

As the occupying army, they can act as they wish, do to UNRWA as they wish. No one is stopping them to date.



Also

[LexVegas]

42. "I am NOT defending Hamas" nt

[maxsolomon]

72. Should have been posted in Video Forum

because you keep replying "did you watch the video?"

TL; DW.

[TeamProg]

82. In other words, 'out of sight, out of mind.' I understand your concern that it strikes a nerve. nt

[maxsolomon]

83. Not at all. I listen to DN frequently, although I don't always agree with their reporting.

It's customary on DU to provide 4-paragraph snips from articles that summarize the basic thrust of the reporting. Hard to do if you're posting a video, though, and I'm basically not going to watch a video. TL;DW as I said.

If you're going to opine like this:

Didn't all the so-called Hamas evil doings sound a bit too unreal?

then a snip sure would help support that contention.

[Deep State Witch]

78. What, You Think Hamas Doesn't Have Propaganda?

Propaganda is a huge part of gaining support for your war efforts - no matter who's doing it. We do it. The Russians do it. The Israelis and Hamas certainly do it. It's all how one controls the narrative.