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edhopper

(37,375 posts)
Thu Feb 8, 2024, 11:15 AM Feb 2024

There is no "Border Crisis"

There are problems with the border and immigration that a thoughtful bipartisan bill could help alleviate, but there is no fix as long as the countries the people come from are in the state they are.
Meanwhile, there is a Climate Crisis, a Healthcare Crisis, an Income Inequity Crisis, a Women's Rights Crisis.
We also have a Republican leadership Crisis, but we will never see that mentioned.
Don't expect the MSM to highlight any of those while they ride the fictional "Border Crisis" all the way to November, after which they will drop the story as if it doesn't exist.

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Blues Heron

(8,849 posts)
3. cut the cable - then at least you dont have to be subjected to it first hand!
Thu Feb 8, 2024, 11:22 AM
Feb 2024

I cant even stand the way they speak, the way they emphasize certain words, the timbre and pacing of their scripted phrases. the whole vibe of it seems so phony.

edhopper

(37,375 posts)
6. I don't watch Cable News that much
Thu Feb 8, 2024, 11:36 AM
Feb 2024

and I am not the problem. I am fully aware of which Party is mucking things up.

I worry on those half aware voters who are going to decide this election.

Blues Heron

(8,849 posts)
9. its shocking how much penetration those TV screens have - offices, waiting rooms, airports etc.
Thu Feb 8, 2024, 12:21 PM
Feb 2024

It seems so weird to me having not had a TV for years now.

edhopper

(37,375 posts)
11. This is true
Thu Feb 8, 2024, 12:38 PM
Feb 2024

Especially Fox, considering their viewership only averages about 1.5 million, they are on too many of those public TVs.

Johnny2X2X

(24,217 posts)
4. Bussing
Thu Feb 8, 2024, 11:25 AM
Feb 2024

The act of bussing immigrants to Northern cities was immoral and wrong. Those cities aren't set up to accept and process immigrants like border cities are. SO it is creating a very real crisis in cities like New York, Chicago, and Denver.

It is wrong, but it is also a brilliant political move by Republicans. They've won the immigration argument with this move.

The counter move to it though can be the Bide administration stripping border states of funds and transferring those funds to the Northern cities to handle this influx of immigrants. If the funding and infrastructure is there, these immigrants can be a huge positive to cities.

edhopper

(37,375 posts)
7. It is certainly working
Thu Feb 8, 2024, 11:40 AM
Feb 2024

in NY-3 here in New York (Santos special election). The problem of bus loads of immigrants being dumped here is helping the GOP challenger.
Republican caused problem, and people want a "tough on immigration Representative".

Even though she is another Grifter. It is sad.

edhopper

(37,375 posts)
16. I think it is 50/50
Thu Feb 8, 2024, 02:40 PM
Feb 2024

it is a special election, which means low voter turn out. Numbers will matter.

 

ripcord

(5,553 posts)
12. Abbott did indeed win the PR battle
Thu Feb 8, 2024, 12:43 PM
Feb 2024

When he started bussing immigrants claiming his state was unable to deal with the overwhelming numbers people starting looking to prove him wrong and found he was telling the truth.

pinkstarburst

(2,020 posts)
13. So you think that Eagle Pass, Tx, population 28,000 people
Thu Feb 8, 2024, 01:48 PM
Feb 2024

is set up to receive 30,000 migrants in three days, and that's all fine and good (this actually happened and happens ALL THE TIME.) But Chicago, population 2.8 million, has a right to whine about receiving 24,000 migrants over the course of many months?

Johnny2X2X

(24,217 posts)
14. I think the Federal government
Thu Feb 8, 2024, 01:59 PM
Feb 2024

The federal government sends Texas tens of $Billions a year to handle the border and process immigrants, Chicago is getting nothing. The facilities and personnel for processing immigrants are in Texas and other border states, if their solution is to bus immigrants to Northern cities, that money, personnel, and facilities should also move fromk Texas to Chicago.

pinkstarburst

(2,020 posts)
17. Except Texas IS handling the border and processing immigrants
Fri Feb 9, 2024, 10:36 AM
Feb 2024

The trouble is the sheer number of migrants crossing. In 2023, there were 2.45 MILLION migrant encounters at the southern border, up from 2022, when it was 2.2 MILLION. And most of the crossings come through Texas.

Sit with those numbers for a minute.

Yes, the border states process the 2.45 MILLION migrants who cross and are permitted to stay every year pending their immigration hearings, but they are not a dumping ground for every migrant who enters the United States. Once they are legally permitted to stay pending immigration hearings, they are allowed to travel anywhere in the country.

If the issue is that we cannot support 2.45 MILLION new migrants every year, who will end up in the major cities as those are the only places with resources like homeless shelters, then the conversation must shift to limiting the number of people who are allowed into the United States per year in the first place. Not getting angry at Texas or saying take money away. If we can support 2.45 MILLION new migrants every single year (which means all the migrants NYC and Chicago and Denver are struggling to house and support now plus DOUBLE that number in each city by the end of 2024 because more are always coming, and TRIPLE that number by the end of 2025), then Congress needs to allocate more funds, not take away funds.

But the numbers are what they are.

ck4829

(37,769 posts)
5. There is a medical bills are too high crisis, there is a Trump destroying our government crisis
Thu Feb 8, 2024, 11:25 AM
Feb 2024

There is a letting the same people who think powdered sugar is meth determine if it was a miscarriage or an evil abortion crisis.

There is a maternal mortality crisis.

There is an incompetent Republican crisis.

There is a gun violence crisis.

But no, there isn’t a border crisis.

Poiuyt

(18,272 posts)
8. Meanwhile, immigrants are set to increase the US economy by $7 trillion
Thu Feb 8, 2024, 11:56 AM
Feb 2024

“The labor force in 2033 is larger by 5.2 million people, mostly because of higher net immigration. More workers mean more output and that in turn leads to additional tax revenue,” Swagel said at a briefing unveiling the agency’s annual economic and budget forecast.

“As a result of those changes in the labor force, we estimate that from 2023 to 2034, GDP will be greater by about $7 trillion and revenues will be greater by about $1 trillion than they would have been otherwise,” he said.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/cbo-report-immigrants-boost-economy_n_65c403b2e4b0fb721d5f8762

redqueen

(115,186 posts)
10. GDP will be greater - well that's good for some people
Thu Feb 8, 2024, 12:25 PM
Feb 2024

Now explain to the voters how having all those new workers here will help them earn enough to afford housing.

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