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markpkessinger

(8,887 posts)
Thu Feb 8, 2024, 02:55 PM Feb 2024

The Supreme Court's Very Selective Originalism and Federalism

They're "originalists" or "textualists," until they're faced with a ruling from a state supreme court, written specifically from a textualist standpoint, that commands a political result they don't like.

They're "federalists," all in favor of state's rights, until they're faced with a state that makes a presidential eligibility determination that is contrary to their desired political result.

As an institution, the current SC deserves nothing but contempt!

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The Supreme Court's Very Selective Originalism and Federalism (Original Post) markpkessinger Feb 2024 OP
Very well said BComplex Feb 2024 #1
I agree with the contempt part, however... Fiendish Thingy Feb 2024 #2
We already have chaos, on that basis BootinUp Feb 2024 #3
This very SC has ruled that states are in charge of their elections Alpeduez21 Feb 2024 #6
You are confusing article I powers with the enforcement of the 14th amendment nt Fiendish Thingy Feb 2024 #9
Lawyer double talk on the SC vishnura Feb 2024 #4
Those terms only mean what they interpret them to mean. erronis Feb 2024 #7
Laws also only apply to Democratic President nakocal Feb 2024 #5
Imagine a Democratic candidate yankee87 Feb 2024 #8

Fiendish Thingy

(22,458 posts)
2. I agree with the contempt part, however...
Thu Feb 8, 2024, 03:15 PM
Feb 2024

…and we haven’t seen their ruling on todays case yet, but if they reject it not being the state’s jurisdiction (and if they do, I expect it to be unanimous), I would have to agree.

Allowing an individual state, rather than a federal court, to determine disqualification for a federal office under the 14th amendment, for that state only, would be a recipe for chaos.

It would create an environment where each state would have the unreviewable power to interpret and enforce the constitution.

So, SCOTUS would either have to expand the CO ruling to disqualify Trump nationwide, or they have to overturn the ruling.

BootinUp

(51,034 posts)
3. We already have chaos, on that basis
Thu Feb 8, 2024, 03:46 PM
Feb 2024

I have to disagree with you. If we actually want to reduce the chaos then law and order needs to be enforced.

Alpeduez21

(2,017 posts)
6. This very SC has ruled that states are in charge of their elections
Thu Feb 8, 2024, 05:25 PM
Feb 2024

Be they federal or state. That’s why the voting rights act was gutted by them

erronis

(23,087 posts)
7. Those terms only mean what they interpret them to mean.
Thu Feb 8, 2024, 05:26 PM
Feb 2024

Sort of like a parent saying "Because I said so."

Normally courts are a good place to actually help define what some ancient writing actually means. When the SCOTUS says that only they can dictate the outcome, then courts are useless.

yankee87

(2,781 posts)
8. Imagine a Democratic candidate
Thu Feb 8, 2024, 05:42 PM
Feb 2024

If it was in the opposite direction, with a Democrat being knocked off the ballot, SCOTUS would rule to keep the candidate off the ballot.

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