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Stinky The Clown

(67,931 posts)
Fri Feb 9, 2024, 07:05 PM Feb 2024

Heads up. Senate danger in blue, blue Maryland. Larry Hogan is running for Senate and he can win

He just announced he is running in the Republican primary for the open Maryland Senate seat.

He polled high as the governor for two terms. This is going to be a hard win for Democrats, if they can even pull it off. In my view he is the front runner for the GOP primary *and* for the general.

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Heads up. Senate danger in blue, blue Maryland. Larry Hogan is running for Senate and he can win (Original Post) Stinky The Clown Feb 2024 OP
absolutely he's a threat. But he won in non-presidential years Orangepeel Feb 2024 #1
Who is the Dem running? 2naSalit Feb 2024 #2
There are two main contenders Orangepeel Feb 2024 #5
Interesting, thanks. 2naSalit Feb 2024 #6
Trone has Hakeem Jeffries, among others. Stinky The Clown Feb 2024 #8
Yes, we've seen these in NoVA also. Seems very good on issues spooky3 Feb 2024 #14
Yes, he has some good endorsements and really good ads. She has Gov. Moore and Senator Van Holland Orangepeel Feb 2024 #29
Angela should THANK YOU... WarGamer Feb 2024 #16
Good Orangepeel Feb 2024 #30
TY! Cha Feb 2024 #18
Primary hasn't been held yet. Rep, David Trone is running and spooky3 Feb 2024 #12
Damn, that's sad that we don't have a guaranteed win in a state like Maryland. Elessar Zappa Feb 2024 #3
Answers directly above Stinky The Clown Feb 2024 #10
Still totally (and likely) winable but will cause $$$ to be spent here rather than in true kelly1mm Feb 2024 #4
and he'll have to spend a lot of time 'wrestling' with magats, elleng Feb 2024 #13
He's not the favorite. Bleacher Creature Feb 2024 #7
a LOT harder elleng Feb 2024 #11
Just remind women and LGBTQ people that if the repuke take the senate they will lose their reproductive right kimbutgar Feb 2024 #9
Its not about any one "moderate" GOPer, it is about a GOP majority vs a DEM majority Stinky The Clown Feb 2024 #24
The good news is, he won't be a NoLabels prez candidate nt spooky3 Feb 2024 #15
Right, might be RATIONAL elleng Feb 2024 #33
What are his positions on abortion and trans rights? Arazi Feb 2024 #17
Good Question! Cha Feb 2024 #21
But...but...he did a credible job, is moderate, and whatever TheKentuckian Feb 2024 #19
The Dems Stinky The Clown Feb 2024 #20
Thanks for that... may the Best Dem Cha Feb 2024 #22
Hogan is a "Rino" mikewv Feb 2024 #23
If he doesn't caucus with Dems, he's useless to us Silent3 Feb 2024 #25
My point was, that he is not going to win mikewv Feb 2024 #27
That's a bad outlook Polybius Feb 2024 #35
Trump is hated here. Kingofalldems Feb 2024 #26
Yeah, Hogan has never run in a Presidential cycle before... WarGamer Feb 2024 #31
Hogan hates him too though Polybius Feb 2024 #36
This might be tougher for Hogan than expected EarlG Feb 2024 #28
not to mention, Hogan's successful runs were in midterm years. 14 and 18. WarGamer Feb 2024 #32
Usually voters vote ideologically for federal office, however radius777 Feb 2024 #34

Orangepeel

(13,936 posts)
1. absolutely he's a threat. But he won in non-presidential years
Fri Feb 9, 2024, 07:08 PM
Feb 2024

With high turnout, the democrat should win. But we can't take anything for granted!

Orangepeel

(13,936 posts)
5. There are two main contenders
Fri Feb 9, 2024, 07:18 PM
Feb 2024

Congressman David Trone who has a lot of money and is advertising heavily and Prince George's County Executive Angela Alsobrooks who probably has more endorsements (although Trone also has a lot).

Stinky The Clown

(67,931 posts)
8. Trone has Hakeem Jeffries, among others.
Fri Feb 9, 2024, 07:24 PM
Feb 2024

Trone has been spending a TON of money on TV ads already. Alsobrooks has only sent a few text messages

Orangepeel

(13,936 posts)
29. Yes, he has some good endorsements and really good ads. She has Gov. Moore and Senator Van Holland
Fri Feb 9, 2024, 08:45 PM
Feb 2024

With Hogan in the race, Trone's big bank account might be really important

WarGamer

(12,895 posts)
16. Angela should THANK YOU...
Fri Feb 9, 2024, 07:37 PM
Feb 2024

Not knowing who these two were, I went to their websites... both pretty good but the dude is already rich.

So I kicked Alsobrooks $50. She's EXTREMELY impressive.

A++

spooky3

(34,702 posts)
12. Primary hasn't been held yet. Rep, David Trone is running and
Fri Feb 9, 2024, 07:28 PM
Feb 2024

Has a ton of personal money (from his business, Total Wine) and has been advertising heavily. There is a popular councilwoman also running.

Elessar Zappa

(14,323 posts)
3. Damn, that's sad that we don't have a guaranteed win in a state like Maryland.
Fri Feb 9, 2024, 07:13 PM
Feb 2024

Who’s his Dem opponent at this time? I’d like to send some money.

kelly1mm

(4,752 posts)
4. Still totally (and likely) winable but will cause $$$ to be spent here rather than in true
Fri Feb 9, 2024, 07:15 PM
Feb 2024

battleground or red states. I would give him a 20% chance of winning and would be to the left of Romney/Collins if elected. Still a Republican, but no Ted Cruz .......

elleng

(132,332 posts)
13. and he'll have to spend a lot of time 'wrestling' with magats,
Fri Feb 9, 2024, 07:29 PM
Feb 2024

NOT something I want my Senator to have to do.

Bleacher Creature

(11,279 posts)
7. He's not the favorite.
Fri Feb 9, 2024, 07:24 PM
Feb 2024

Marylanders are smart enough to recognize the difference between a moderate Republican as governor and a moderate Republican as a vote in favor of Mitch McConnell (or someone worse) as Senate majority leader.

Don't get me wrong, this race just got a LOT harder but it's still ours to lose so long as we don't screw it up.

kimbutgar

(21,523 posts)
9. Just remind women and LGBTQ people that if the repuke take the senate they will lose their reproductive right
Fri Feb 9, 2024, 07:25 PM
Feb 2024

Start with the ads now DNC and remind the voters repukes don’t care about them and want to take the country back to the 1900’s. A repuke is a repuke even a moderate one! And they are not to be trusted!

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
17. What are his positions on abortion and trans rights?
Fri Feb 9, 2024, 07:40 PM
Feb 2024

I think Rs are vulnerable there and Dems need to hammer the message about loss of rights and equality with the GOP

Stinky The Clown

(67,931 posts)
20. The Dems
Fri Feb 9, 2024, 07:55 PM
Feb 2024

Angela Alsobrooks is Prince Georges County Exec. (she replaced sitting Congressman Glen Ivey)
https://www.angelaalsobrooks.com



David Trone is a sitting congressman and rich. Spending a ton already on TV ads. Has good endorsements
https://davidtrone.com



We currently favor Alsobrooks but with Hogan in the race it is about WINNING not principle. Either Dem is really okay.

mikewv

(129 posts)
23. Hogan is a "Rino"
Fri Feb 9, 2024, 08:00 PM
Feb 2024

as Trump and trump republicans have labeled him. Yes, he is a popular X-Maryland Governor but he is not going to be popular with Trumpers. In a Presidential election year, I would guess that either Democrat candidate would win. Although, a smaller margin of victory. Which does not matter. The good thing is he will not run as a 3rd pary candidate for President. As mentioned before.

Silent3

(15,628 posts)
25. If he doesn't caucus with Dems, he's useless to us
Fri Feb 9, 2024, 08:12 PM
Feb 2024

Even if he were less conservative than Manchin he's useless to us if he doesn't caucus with Dems.

Polybius

(15,745 posts)
35. That's a bad outlook
Sat Feb 10, 2024, 03:27 AM
Feb 2024

While no confidence is horrible, over-confidence is even worse. Be very afraid

WarGamer

(12,895 posts)
31. Yeah, Hogan has never run in a Presidential cycle before...
Fri Feb 9, 2024, 11:09 PM
Feb 2024

He won in 14 and 18... midterms (in 18 he won by 12%)

If the Trump hatred gets people to the polls he should be toast.

EarlG

(22,094 posts)
28. This might be tougher for Hogan than expected
Fri Feb 9, 2024, 08:37 PM
Feb 2024

Possible reasons why:

1) Hogan burned his bridges with the MAGA base by turning on Trump. His Republican support in Maryland could be weak, which would mean he would have to win a larger share of the indie and Dem vote.

2) Hogan can’t get Trump’s help with the base by seeking an endorsement, because that would hurt him with indies that he needs to win over to stand a chance.

3) it wouldn’t be easy to tie Hogan to Trump, but it WOULD be easy to tie him to Republican control of the Senate, which Marylanders would not want. As a few people have pointed out, a governor is different than a Senator this respect. It’s why blue states like Massachusetts sometimes elect governors like Mitt Romney, but reliably vote for Democratic presidents and Senators like Elizabeth Warren.

Point 3 is where the rubber meets the road in a state like Maryland because no matter Hogan’s positions, you can still tie him to the worst the other side has to offer and hammer him with ads saying that a vote for Hogan would be a vote for a Mitch McConnell-controlled Senate and all that would bring (national abortion ban, etc.)

Hogan wouldn’t be a pushover, but I think he could be weaker than expected in a Senate race.

radius777

(3,635 posts)
34. Usually voters vote ideologically for federal office, however
Sat Feb 10, 2024, 02:11 AM
Feb 2024

it's still dangerous whenever there's a well-known/well-liked person running - that's how Manchin, Tester won in deep red states.

In Maine in 2020 Susan Collins should've lost in a state Biden carried by 9 points - yet still easily defeated Sara Gideon by 8 points.

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