Do you feel like we're about to witness a downfall worse than any previously seen?

[Evolve Dammit]

Cosby, OJ, Elvis and MJ come to mind for notoriety but this is a f'in POTUS charged (and convicted of RAPE)and facing other crimes in at multiple venues?

[Ocelot II]

1. I've never heard of anyone, not even mob bosses like Gotti,

who were indicted more or less simultaneously in four different jurisdictions. Some mobsters were indicted and tried serially, but not all at once. Just that has to be some kind of record.

[Evolve Dammit]

3. It is unprecedented and un-parelled in significance. n/t

[Wounded Bear]

2. IMO it's not a downfall...it's a takedown...

[Evolve Dammit]

6. Here's hoping!

[UTUSN]

4. If only, but more likely the jury of his peers will nullify.

[dpibel]

11. Juries haven't done him favors

Not so far, anyway.

As with all things Trump, I get queasy hoping for proper outcomes.

But, still. Both Carroll trials were juries. They had no problem.

[magicarpet]

13. EJ Carroll $$$ rape trials were in NY. NY city is not a trDUMP,..

,.. loving town, he is hated and despised there. So juries much less favorable to Fat Hitler.

Florida might be more Maga jurors and favorable or sympathetic to the Orange Messiah. But southern Florida has many blue areas. But it only takes one rabid MAGA on the jury to toss the verdict of guilty.

With Cannon overseeing the case it is such a crap shoot.

[limbicnuminousity]

5. No.

For there to be a downfall you must achieve height. Cosby, despite his grievous faults, advanced public education. OJ arguably advanced the case against discriminatory cultural barriers (before he went kill-happy). Elvis didn't so much fall as devolve into a caricature of himself. MJ married Peter Parker. What did Trump ever do?

[Silent3]

47. Trump did reach what is considered a great height, if not *the* height of power...

...in this world by becoming President of the United States.

Undeservedly so, appallingly so, but nevertheless, a great height. This was, however, not a height of accomplishment, except as a personal accomplishment for himself.

My doubts about "a downfall worse than any previously seen" are not about the possible magnitude of Trump's downfall, but if it that downfall will actually happen as it should. I think victory over Trump is more likely than what polls currently show, but until the odds are nearly 100% I won't feel safe for myself or the country.

[TwilightZone]

7. It's pretty mind-blowing, really.

We've become so used to Trump's abhorrent behavior and criminality over an extended period of time that it's not as impactful as it might be otherwise.

But if one looks at it objectively, it's so outside of the normal realm of experience that it should be even more shocking than it is.

As for comparisons in US history, it's hard to find an equal. Buchanan's actions and lack thereof led to the Civil War, and he meddled with the Supreme Court, but his personal downfall can't compare.

Maybe Jefferson Davis? The worst of Buchanan (and more), plus a personal downfall, though I'm still not sure it would be on the same kind of scale. The government couldn't figure out what exactly to do with him. He was eventually imprisoned, but released on bail and then given amnesty as part of Andrew Johnson's proclamation in 1868.

[Evolve Dammit]

10. Laws were promulgated to prohibit insurrectionists (like JD) from holding office. Why is this different??

[NewHendoLib]

8. we can only hope. anything bad that happens to him will not nearly be what he deserves.

[Evolve Dammit]

9. Yep

[LakeArenal]

12. Who's or what's downfall do you mean?

Feels like a poll question.

[Nictuku]

14. One Can Hope

[ecstatic]

15. I appreciate your optimism

All I see is MSM thugs hyping him up. I don't know what to think anymore but I don't like what I'm seeing right now. All I know is that if he gets elected without any of the trials having been done, we're a joke. A failed state.

[2naSalit]

16. Just my...

Spidey sense but I think something big, shocking, is coming (even if it's news about something that's already happened) by this weekend.

[TSExile]

18. Can you elaborate?

You have me curious!!

[2naSalit]

19. I'm thinking...

It is related to the fraud case that's about to be decided but also something else, bigger, that affects a large number if not everyone of us, globally. That's all I got right now.

[TSExile]

26. For all our sakes, I hope that your spidey senses...

...are indicating good news!!! Thanks.

[2naSalit]

29. Me too.

Not making any promises.

[Gaugamela]

32. I keep thinking that the DOJ knows damn well what happened to those missing TS documents, and

the binder on Russian assets, and why they lost so many agents in the field after Trump took office. These people aren’t idiots. We’re talking CIA, NSA, and FBI here. If there’s one thing they’re rabid about it’s protecting secrets. My guess is they are keeping charges under wraps, though I don’t know why. Maybe they want a few convictions on lesser crimes first, because if they go for the big stuff right away they’ll set off a total fire storm. But my sense is the whole party is terrified. Mike Johnson is in way over his head and he knows it. All the phony antics of the MAGA crowd in the house are a pathetic attempt to distract, but they know the formula isn’t working anymore. They’re just waiting for the knock on the door.

[2naSalit]

34. There's more...

I think Smith knows where the other missing stuff is and what it is. -45 has that secret room in his bedroom suite and an locked closet and whatever is in Ivana's casket. What else does he have? Blackmail materials on "his" supreme court justices as well as all his toadies in Congress. I think that's what's out there along with whatever jared has been delivering to his pal in the ME and whatever the magats carry with them to ruzzia. It's a big ugly mess. But remember, Smith was probably watching from the bench in The Hague so he might have a much better perspective regarding the big picture and international concerns.

[MontanaMama]

21. +1

So mote it be.

[slightlv]

23. I'll second that motion and give it a kick of my own!

[slightlv]

22. My spidey sense has been tingling, too...

but I can't focus in on what, and it drives me crazy. I just keep remembering that Gang of 8 meeting where Feinstein came out of it, white as a sheet. As much as we know... as much as many of us already think might be... I just feel there's something out there so big that it'll shake the already shaky foundations of this country. What in the hell did he do while president that could top what we already know? I thought asking for the list of our spies and then our spies disappearing or ending up dead was the worst that could happen... beyond selling our country's secrets to Russia. But I think there's something beyond that. It's just my limited brain and lack of a criminal mind can't imagine what it could be.

Hope you're right, 2na! And especially about it being this weekend. I'm reading for this spidey sense to calm down. I could use a break from my anti-anxiety med! (LOL)

[2naSalit]

27. Yeah...

It will be tense, for everybody, something to keep in mind. If you look at the chart, it's crazy, everything is in one quadrant.

[slightlv]

42. Interesting.

I'm in bed or I'd check it out right now. I'm intrigued about which quadrant. It feels very airy to me, which could make sense, given where we are in the transition. Thanks so much for the info!

[Cadfael]

17. One can but hope....

[usonian]

20. Al Capone died of syphilis. Elvis and Michael Jackson from drugs. Those are possibilities.

I have been thinking of the most unlikely (and hence, most likely) way he goes. Best I can come up with is that he falls off the podium when someone throws him a Bible and he tries to catch dodge it.

[slightlv]

24. Funny, I had the image of Bush and the shoe

just the other day! Thought how grotesquely funny it would if someone through a shoe at trump. But you got me beat with it being the bible! (LOL)

[Kennah]

36. Had several books thrown at him

[slightlv]

39. I don't remember the books.. just the shoe!,

[Kennah]

40. Metaphorically, Trump, with the criminal charges

However, I've heard the expression to throw the book at someone as to mean either a lot of criminal charges or convictions.

[usonian]

52. Well, Stump weaponized the Bible. So, guess who's throwing the book at him?

[Kennah]

53. I'd pay to see TFG hit with a stone tablet, or three dozen

[usonian]

54. It would take that many to hold the 10 commandments

And all the amendments, exceptions and exemptions that the magachurch has "uncovered"

With their sharpies.

[Kennah]

55. I'd pay to take a whack at him myself, but I called to ask about pricing and they said, "If you have to ask ..."

[usonian]

56. Don't call this guy.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218645510

The California man who has prevented over 100 murders

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/nights/audio/2018922961/the-california-man-who-has-prevented-over-100-murders

When Bob Innes found the perfect website name for his IT business he snapped it up.

Little did the Californian know he would eventually be responsible for saving dozens of lives and preventing multiple murders.

That's because Bob owns the website RentAHitman.com - he bought it in 2005 without an intention of actually attracting people seeking killers for hire.

(He does web analytics, and "hit" means a web click, or so he thought.)

Everything changed in 2010 when a person called Helen from the UK emailed the website asking to have three of her family members murdered because she claimed they had stolen her inheritance.

Bob alerted the authorities. He estimates that over time, he has prevented 100 murders.

He runs the website out of his own pocket but he accepts donations and sell t-shirts to help cover some of the costs.

[Evolve Dammit]

51. Not a bad ending. Asap Please. Bolt of lightening??

[Generic Brad]

25. We could be hours from the NY fraud verdict

Once he’s stripped of assets, the remaining dominos will fall quickly.

[Kennah]

41. Can I swap this for: Hours from a stroke that TFG survives, but drools, mumbles, and shits himself?

[Evolve Dammit]

50. Here's hoping

[RockRaven]

28. The "downfalls" you cite notoriously did NOT suffer a fraction of the

consequences they deserved... So WTF are you even talking about?

Also, TFG was not convicted of rape. He was found liable. That is different -- different in a way of the same sort of OJ et al.

[Blue Owl]

30. Sure as hell hope so....

[DENVERPOPS]

31. My thinking is

that 2024 is going to be unlike anything ever experienced in the entire history of our country.......

It has been shown countless times, that the Republicans will do anything and everything necessary to take tyrannical control of the U.S.....................

Katie Bar The Door..........

[Evolve Dammit]

48. Yes indeed Katie!

[Hope22]

33. We are in uncharted waters for sure.

It’s pretty hard to have a positive outlook.

[Duppers]

35. I feel the Republican party will do whatever it takes to protect Trump

[Kennah]

37. Even if they are broke?

[Hope22]

43. Yes.

He and his deranged followers are all they have.

[Kennah]

38. Downfall of Trump, the GOP, or both?

[Evolve Dammit]

49. Intertwined at this point, and Putin pulling strings

[DemocraticPatriot]

44. YEAH, when dRumP accidentally steps in front of a moving BUS...

I MAY or May Not be driving the bus at the time,
and I don't care much which

[anamnua]

45. GUBU

This an acronym from Irish politics which is well worth googling (I’m Irish and based in Ireland). The character it’s based on (Charles Haughey), while Trumpish, was not in the same league.

[betsuni]

46. No. It's like inoculations. Trump's business and private life scandals were on the

covers of tabloids that everybody saw in supermarkets since the '80s. They've been inoculated and it literally doesn't matter. There is no downfall.