This is an example of why the NYT is awful

[Voltaire2]

Trump Steps Up, Helping Biden Just When the President Needs Him

Donald J. Trump’s stunning statement supporting a Russian attack against “delinquent” NATO allies takes attention away from unwelcome questions about the president’s age and provides the Biden camp a useful contrast.
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But in Washington, the traditional political strategy when under fire is to change the subject as quickly as possible.

And at the NYT their strategy is to undo that strategy and keep pumping the Biden dementia meme no matter what.

[redqueen]

1. That framing is transparent

The ruling class really wants their dictatorship

[gab13by13]

2. The MSM is owned and managed by right wing domestic oligarchs

Learn where to go to get reliable, informative news.

Why punish yourself?

Oh and Democrats need to hire good marketing managers, not saying they don't have them now, just saying.

Trump should be hammered every damn day what he said about Nikki Haley's husband and what he said about Putin and NATO.

Unwashed Russians do not have freedom like we have.

[brooklynite]

8. And where is that "reliable, informative news"?

Bearing in mind that news has to actually be gathered, not just opined upon.

[JohnSJ]

3. MSM in the US are a bunch of lazy jackasses, who don't what journalism is. That these reporters actually made

it through college in journalism is a pathetic statement on the education in this country.

It is no surprise, just look at the Ivy League schools that produced some of the most rabid anti-American republicans in congress. It is a disgrace.

There is no integrity in the newsroom today.

[brooklynite]

9. So now we're adding the Ivy League schools to our "things we hate" list?

(Penn Class of 81)

[jayschool2013]

10. It's a thing here

(University of Nebraska College of Journalism and Mass Communication Class of 1984)

[JohnSJ]

11. All I am doing is looking at the results. Are you happy with with Vance, Hawley, Stefanik, Cruz, etc.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/aug/07/trump-republicans-harvard-yale

look at the cream of the crop who were involved in the January 6th coup to overthrow the government.

There were some 141 republicans in House who had no problem not certifying the 2020 election.

Are you that blind to the republican extremism that has been produced from some of the best schools.

[brooklynite]

13. Are you blind to the Democratic responsibility that has been produced from some of the best schools?

JFK/RFK/Ted Kennedy: Harvard
Bill Clinton: Yale, Georgetown
Barack Obama: Harvard
FDR: Harvard, Columbia

Shall I go on?

[jayschool2013]

15. Harry Truman

No Ivy needed.

Public high school.

[brooklynite]

17. That's true. And irrelevant.

[Hekate]

36. That was then, this is now. Both my grandfathers had an 8th grade education & were successful in business

But they were born in the 1880s, as was Truman. It was once possible for a young man of intelligence and drive to continue learning and take advantage of opportunities.

Of course it never hurts to have a wealthy and well-connected family to send a young man to the best schools, where he will make the best connections for life even if he’s a bonehead like Dubya — but in former times it was still possible for some to do it the other way.

[BannonsLiver]

18. Sock hops...cotillions...leafy fall afternoons...toast throwing...

“Misty colored memories of the way we were.”

Wait, didn’t Trump go to Penn? Lol 🤷‍♂️

[brooklynite]

19. Wait, didn't Joe Biden and Elizabeth Warren teach at Penn?

[BannonsLiver]

20. Not sure that cancels out the Dump stain.

But a nice try though.

[Scrivener7]

42. Is this serious? I thought it was the republiQans who hated education.

Because it's such an efficient way to signal the love of ignorance.

This is creepy AF.

[Scrivener7]

41. My Masters is from an Ivy. I turned out OK.

And I'm pretty proud of it.

Before someone says something dumb about "well connected families" I have none and went on a full scholarship.

[sop]

4. "Trump Steps Up Just In Time When the President Needs Him to Take Attention Away From NYT Attacks"

What they should have printed.

[ificandream]

5. The New York Times is not our enemy.

They've reported a lot of important stories about Trump. They've been all over his tax dodges, for example. And they've also been all over Giuliani as well. And that's just two examples.

I don't find the excerpt that bad. Face it -- Biden's age is going to be mentioned down the road. And so is Trump's.

[GuppyGal]

12. It's pretty bizarre when you have right wingers and democrats both agreeing that the NY Times is shit !!?!??!

Now how can that be so?

[ificandream]

16. The Times (and newspapers in general) have always been the subject of criticism from both sides in their history.

It's part of the deal of reporting facts.

[tenderfoot]

22. So Trump's stamina is a FACT?

If you insist.

[Voltaire2]

27. fair and balanced coverage of utter bullshit ain't reporting facts.

It is giving cover to utter bullshit.

[The Unmitigated Gall]

29. This.

[ificandream]

39. But still ...

While I agree that some of the coverage today differs from what newspapers did when I was working at one, the Times is still better than any right-wing outlet. I know one thing I don't think is used enough is news judgment Things are highlighted just because they're there. But back when I was in newspapering (and in news meetings), stories were vetted a lot better than I think things are to some extent now.

But don't give up on newspapers. Even with their few faults, they're better than Fox and all that right-wing garbage.

[Voltaire2]

43. "the Times is still better than any right-wing outlet"

The NYT editorial stance is generally center-right, and as it continues to normalize the overtly 21st century fascist Republican Party and its insane leader, the 'center' part of that no longer means support for liberal democracy. Yes it is 'better' than media platforms that are even further right. If you find that comforting, good for you.

[Stuckinthebush]

14. Agreed

Thank you for stating this.

[tenderfoot]

21. I think it's obvious at this point that you work for them

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Your incessant defense/gaslighting any criticism of Maggie Haberman's stenography, etc.

They're a Republican/Fascist friendly paper that helped us into two wars, helped Trump get elected and helped the right (Chris Rufo) to attack two university presidents that led their resignations. They've also spent the past 4 years trying to convince their readers that Jan. 6th never happened. They only reason they're discussing Giuliani NOW is because they can't make excuses for him anymore. Same thing with Hitler.

I too cancelled my subscription - with great pleasure.

[dpibel]

24. Don't forget Whitewater!

That was a pure product of The NYT's imagination.

And then there was Al Gore...

It's a long list. Can't be critical of anyone who forgets a few entries.

[SocialDemocrat61]

23. Here is a comparison.

[Voltaire2]

25. When you 'both side' a fascist party and a party that supports liberal democracy, you are not an ally.

When your editorial policy is to provide 'balanced coverage' from both the fascist perspective and the liberal democratic perspective, you are not an ally.

[jaxexpat]

6. Thier irrelevant connection is simple propaganda.

Was this from a news item or an editorial? Yeah, I get it. Sometimes it's hard to see the difference.

[Voltaire2]

28. I deliberately did not link. It was analysis from their white house correspondent.

[et tu]

7. jaundice journalism

plain and simple, clicks clicks clicks~

[maxsolomon]

32. 2 sentences buried in Peter Baker's analysis piece

isn't generating a lot of clicks.

[Eliot Rosewater]

26. As some have predicted, MSM is bound and determined to end democracy, not sure why

but I believe they will do their part along with putey boy and maga and trump.

[maxsolomon]

30. Who what where when?

There's no link, it's just 2 extracted sentences.

I could point out 15 not-awful things in today's paper. The Mark Meadows article in the Sunday Magazine is a must-read.

[Voltaire2]

33. Ok fine have a link.

Not paywalled: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/12/us/politics/trump-nato-biden-age.html?unlocked_article_code=1.VE0.VOXV.2an23eEX0xoL&smid=url-share

My point is certainly not that the NYT never provides good coverage of anything. If that were true, if it was as awful as the WSJ, for example, I would cancel my subscription. The Times does some really excellent reporting. However, their editorial bias, in this case with respect to domestic US politics, is to relentlessly normalize the fascist turn of the Republican Party and their quite likely clinically insane leader.

[maxsolomon]

38. I console myself by reading between the lines.

The shade is there. Even from Baker.

But lately, frankly, I avoid most of the front section. It's relentlessly awful right now.

[LiberalFighter]

31. Peter Baker is the author. We need to do more than just call out the NYT. It needs to identify the writer by name.

[Voltaire2]

35. I agree. I should have done that.

[beathimlikeadrum]

34. Cancel

Cancel, cancel. Do not give these people money or clicks.

[tenderfoot]

37. jOUrnAliSm iS flUiD!!!

Link to tweet

[senseandsensibility]

40. The more voices drawing attention to this the better

You may get some nay sayers, but their bias is becoming to obvious for most fair minded people to ignore.