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In It to Win It

(12,648 posts)
Tue Feb 13, 2024, 04:18 PM Feb 2024

'We have to get this done': A top House Republican pushes for Ukraine aid, stat

‘We have to get this done’: A top House Republican pushes for Ukraine aid, stat


The chair of the House Intelligence Committee is warning that time is running out for Ukraine in its fight against Russian invaders — and he's pushing Speaker Mike Johnson to step up.

Rep. Mike Turner (R-Ohio) spoke days after leading a bipartisan congressional delegation to Kyiv, his third visit to the embattled nation since Russia’s invasion, where he tried to assure Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelenskyy that reinforcements are on the way.

The situation back in America has not been so encouraging for Zelenskyy: GOP presidential candidate Donald Trump is taking fresh aim at America's foreign aid commitments, and questions abound over just what Johnson's intentions are as the Senate presses forward with an aid package that includes $60 billion for Ukraine.

The message Turner brought back from Kyiv is that there’s not a moment to spare: Soldiers, he said, “are already rationing munitions” and “are unable to fully defend themselves on the battlefield.”

“We have to get this done,” he said. “This is no longer an issue of, ‘When do we support Ukraine?’ If we do not move, this will be abandoning Ukraine.”
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maxsolomon

(38,711 posts)
1. Come up with a way to force a vote without the Speaker's permission, Mike.
Tue Feb 13, 2024, 04:21 PM
Feb 2024

You'll find overwhelming Dem support.

Or maybe you should go down to FL and get the Shadow Speaker on board? You'll have to kiss his ass all evening 1st.

gab13by13

(32,314 posts)
5. 218 votes, a majority of the House,
Tue Feb 13, 2024, 04:33 PM
Feb 2024

Only 2 discharge petitions have ever been successful.

How many Magats, someone do the math, 6?

Magats 219
Dems 212
Vacant 4

So do Dems need a majority of 435 or 431? Dems either need 6 or 4 Magats to vote for the petition.

Wednesdays

(22,592 posts)
14. See here:
Tue Feb 13, 2024, 07:17 PM
Feb 2024

There are dozens of "MAGAts" on board for Ukraine aid. Even if half of them have defected since October, the aid package would still pass easily.

https://gopforukraine.com/ukraine-report-card/

On edit: not just half. If NINETY PERCENT of those listed in green on that report card reversed their vote, the aid package would still pass.

gab13by13

(32,314 posts)
3. Yup, Democrats had better get the discharge petition fired up,
Tue Feb 13, 2024, 04:31 PM
Feb 2024

but even to do that they need a handful of House Magats to go along.

blm

(114,656 posts)
9. Scare up Republicans in NY, Ohio with large Ukrainian neighborhoods.
Tue Feb 13, 2024, 04:45 PM
Feb 2024

And Ukrainian and Polish neighborhoods in Ohio, Illinois, Pennsylvania, and Michigan.

Nicole Malliotakis (R) represents the largest Ukrainian constituency in NY.

Brian Fitzpatrick (R) in Pennsylvania.

You get the idea.

MadameButterfly

(4,039 posts)
10. Thanks. THis is logical and gives me hope even though
Tue Feb 13, 2024, 05:35 PM
Feb 2024

logic hasn't been prevailing lately.

Warpy

(114,614 posts)
11. Too many are taking orders from a putrefying lump of fat
Tue Feb 13, 2024, 05:54 PM
Feb 2024

and until they manage to stop, Johnson will keep Ukraine starved for what it needs to defeat the Russians.

WarGamer

(18,613 posts)
13. At this point, Ukraine is running out of soldiers...
Tue Feb 13, 2024, 06:13 PM
Feb 2024

ANY additional help will be appreciated but might not turn the battlefield situation around.

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