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pnwmom

(110,260 posts)
Tue Feb 13, 2024, 11:48 PM Feb 2024

The final polls gave Suozzi a narrow lead -- 3-4% -- over Pilip. But, the Democrat won by more than 8%.

Another reminder not to get discouraged by polls that appear to be bad news for Democrats. Pollsters aren't getting good samples of voters anymore, and their results are less predictive than ever.

https://emersoncollegepolling.com/new-yorks-3rd-congressional-district-poll-suozzi-holds-slight-edge-over-pilip/

Voter Turnout Could be Deciding Factor in Tight Race

The final Emerson College Polling/PIX11/The Hill survey of New York’s 3rd Congressional District finds 50% of likely voters plan to support Democrat Tom Suozzi, while 47% support Republican Mazi Pilip, and 3% are undecided ahead of the February 13 special election. When including the 3% of undecided voters, Suozzi’s support increases to 52%, and Pilip to 48%, within the poll’s +/- 3.5% margin of error.
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pnwmom

(110,260 posts)
7. Kornacki predicts 8%, so I changed it to that. The point remains.
Tue Feb 13, 2024, 11:59 PM
Feb 2024

The polls were wrong.

dsc

(53,397 posts)
11. Actually it is
Wed Feb 14, 2024, 08:39 AM
Feb 2024

unless they had a very large sample. But it would be at the outer edge.

Happy Hoosier

(9,535 posts)
13. Perhaps... but a trend seems to be emerging.
Wed Feb 14, 2024, 09:55 AM
Feb 2024

Democrats have been overperfroming. And so have "our" issues. I'm not suggesting there is some bias in polling, but I do think that the polling population models are missing a phenomenon.

dsc

(53,397 posts)
16. We are over performing
Wed Feb 14, 2024, 10:21 AM
Feb 2024

but some of it is also impression. Polls where we do worse have been promoted more than ones in which we do well. So the polls is percieved to be worse for us than it actually is. But we are also doing better than expected in many cases. Given Biden's numbers we should be getting slaughtered in these kinds of races not performing better than usual. The Bucks county result is phenominal for us unless the candidate for the GOP was a child molester or something.

Happy Hoosier

(9,535 posts)
17. I agree....
Wed Feb 14, 2024, 10:29 AM
Feb 2024

... and that is somewhat natural... we are more prone to being terrified by TSF than be comforted by positive polls. And I get that. I'm terrified of TSF. It's crazy that he is polling anywhere near Biden.

gab13by13

(32,321 posts)
5. I looked it up because I did a post on polls,
Tue Feb 13, 2024, 11:53 PM
Feb 2024

The latest poll had Suozzi +1. There were other earlier polls all +4.

I wish the polls would do a Vegas style gambling game. Over/under - Give me the number and I will bet the over every damn time.

There are very few polls, if any, that ever miss over for the Democrat, they always miss under. OK that's an absolute statement.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
6. Also, consider if a president is in real trouble, you don't see results lik this...Fuck the Biden bullshit
Tue Feb 13, 2024, 11:57 PM
Feb 2024

polls.

gab13by13

(32,321 posts)
8. YES,, and a heart for you
Wed Feb 14, 2024, 12:18 AM
Feb 2024

Seriously, I can't remember a poll that was wrong by overestimating the Democrats margin. They always miss under estimating.

LowerManhattanite

(2,433 posts)
9. I grew up in the next district over...
Wed Feb 14, 2024, 12:20 AM
Feb 2024

(Gregory Meeks’ 5th) and my folks still live there.

Pilip had NO CHANCE. 👎🏾

Granted, once you cross the City Line into Hempstead, Long Island is a bastion of white flight and GOP-friendly goofiness, but too much of that 3rd District is in the denser populated Queens proper. And NO ONE there knew her. 🤷🏾‍♂️ Suozzi, his moderate fuzziness aside was well known on the island and in Queens.

no_hypocrisy

(54,906 posts)
10. When the media repeatedly claimed that this race was virtually a "dead heat,"
Wed Feb 14, 2024, 07:27 AM
Feb 2024

it just didn't make sense to me. Suozzi had more experience; he knew the district well; and he knew the issues.

Again, I believe the media ignored the true polling numbers and made this race a 50/50 proposition in order to sell commercial time.

former9thward

(33,424 posts)
12. The polls were accurate.
Wed Feb 14, 2024, 09:36 AM
Feb 2024

The polls were predicting about 4%. When the counting stopped it was at 8% and steadily decreasing. I think it will end at about 6%. That is very accurate considering the snowstorm which had a dampening effect on same day voting which tends R. The polls were good in this election -- much to the disappointment of some.

pnwmom

(110,260 posts)
18. The weather affected our side, too, and the difference is still almost 8%, at 93% of the vote.
Wed Feb 14, 2024, 11:25 AM
Feb 2024

Since the remaining vote to be counted would be absentee, why should that favor Pilpa?

Polls ahead of the election showed Suozzi ahead of Pilip by 3 or 4 points, but he appeared likely to finish ahead of expectations as returns came in Tuesday night. Suozzi led Pilip by nearly 8 points with more than 93 percent of the vote counted, according to a Decision Desk HQ count late Tuesday

SNIP

Robert Zimmerman, the Democratic nominee who lost to Santos in 2022, received only 52 percent of the vote in the Queens portion of the district and 45 percent in Nassau. Suozzi stands at above 60 percent in Queens and a majority in Nassau as of the latest vote count.
Biden, while comfortably carrying the district in 2020, only won the Queens part of the district by 20 points, according to the nonpartisan elections analysis website Inside Elections, compared to Suozzi’s 24-point lead. .


https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4466966-takeaways-tom-suozzi-george-santos-donald-trump-mazi-pilip-new-york/#:~:text=Polls%20ahead%20of%20the%20election,Desk%20HQ%20count%20late%20Tuesday.

ananda

(35,144 posts)
15. Yes. For awhile I've been adding points to every Dem leaning poll.
Wed Feb 14, 2024, 10:02 AM
Feb 2024

Polls are skewed to the right these days.

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