If the Democrats get a majority congress and keep our President this year I hope

[Beachnutt]

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they pass legislation at a fast pace without trying to appease rethugs.
No more bipartisan crap just walk right over the rethugs and pass whatever is best for America.
Impeach (correction:expel) all the obstructionist insurrectionist like mtg and gym jordan.
No more Mr nice guy.

[bucolic_frolic]

1. Thoughts

We shouldn't torch the GOP. We should pass OUR agenda, if we have the votes. You don't impeach Congresspeople. You expel them for cause. Insurrection is going to be a hard sell. And there is no mechanism as of yet for refusing to seat insurrectionists, other than forcing them to achieve 2/3 majority to remove their "disability". We would look harsh, cruel, almost reckless. The ballot box is the place to do the damage.

[Think. Again.]

3. The ballot box is the place...

...to START.

I don't think we should be concerned about "looking" harsh, cruel, and reckless when we are stopping them from actually BEING harsh, cruel, and reckless.

[summer_in_TX]

25. Unwise.

Any attempt to do things without proper justification and procedures will be considered unconstitutional, not just by the courts, but by American people. That is a good way to create backlash, and set up a whole team change again this time in Republicans favor.

A vicious cycle. Everything we do should be done the right way. But yes, pass legislation as fast as possible. Tackle the electoral college! Voting legislation. The George Floyd act. So many things that we have in the works and have been working on. A long time are first priorities. Then encouraging DOJ to get going on the members of Congress who actively helped in the insurrection.

They need to be exposed and removed.

[Think. Again.]

31. I did not and would not...

...suggest we do anything without proper justification and procedure, we are trying to PRESERVE our Democracy after all, not participate in it's destruction.

But this stance of always being afraid of pissing off republicans or appearing to be ...unkind... or something, has gotten us where we are today.

Call it "tough love" or whatever, but it's past time that we move our agenda along with fierce and unapologetic determination, no matter what tantrums they will throw about it.

[Chi67]

39. Yep

After what the MAGAs have done to us LGBT people, immigrants, women, black folks, Asian people, Latin and Native Americans, I say we undo every piece of discriminatory legislation they enacted. No mercy. I'm sick of it. They have done so much to hurt people in this country. If we win in November, we take back every right they have taken. No more being nice to fascists. They have proven that they are unreachable.

[summer_in_TX]

43. I'm all for some "tough love."

Natural consequences – and so well deserved.

[agingdem]

32. Right...the muzzle of MAGA irrelevance..sweet!

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should we retake control of the House and increase our majority in the Senate, our guys aren't the kumbaya types..and if cruel/harsh/reckless is what it takes to move Biden's agenda forward and his nominees confirmed I'm ok with that...

[Think. Again.]

33. I like your attitude!

[Beachnutt]

5. Thank you for correcting me,

we should expel the folks in congress who ignored subpeona or participated in the insurrection in any way.
As far as looking cruel, I disagree.
The rethugs always obstruct good legislation and when our side gets it passed and into law they take credit for it and the rethug voters begin taking advantage of it while bad mouthing it.
We should steamroll the crooked bastards with good.

[KS Toronado]

15. I have a feeling Jack Smith will be putting some congress critters before a Judge

for being Тяцмp's accomplices in his attempt to overthrow our Government.

[AllaN01Bear]

26. censuring jewish space laser lady would be a good start.

[Think. Again.]

2. Absolutely...

...we've seen how bad things can get when the children don't know the boundaries.

[betsuni]

4. Can't pass what they don't have the votes for. Democrats don't "appease rethugs." For example?

[Beachnutt]

6. I think the affordable care act

would be an example, we should have passed Universal healthcare.

[betsuni]

7. No, there were zero Republican votes for the ACA, nothing was changed because of Republicans.

ACA with a public option was passed by the House, Joe Lieberman (Senate) refused to vote for it and it was taken out. Impossible without the filibuster-proof 60 votes, much as what Biden went through with his agenda where Manchin and Sinema veto a vote.

[BumRushDaShow]

8. It wasn't just Lieberman - it was Max Baucus (D) who killed it

Senate Panel Rejects Divisive 'Public Option'

September 29, 2009 11:06 AM ET


The Senate Finance Committee on Tuesday voted down two attempts by liberal Democrats to include a government-run insurance option as part of its legislation overhauling the nation's health care system.

Chairman Max Baucus (D-MT) joined more conservative Democrats and all the Republicans on the committee to defeat measures by Sens. Jay Rockefeller of West Virginia and Chuck Schumer of New York.

"My job is to put together a bill that gets to 60 votes" in the full Senate, Baucus said before voting against Rockefeller's amendment, which was defeated 15-8. "No one shows me how to get to 60 votes with a public option." It takes 60 votes to overcome delaying actions that Republicans could attempt on the Senate floor.

The Senate Finance plan by Baucus is now the only health care bill pending in Congress that does not have a public insurance plan, which Obama and other backers say would boost competition and control costs.

(snip)

https://www.npr.org/2009/09/29/113301907/senate-panel-rejects-divisive-public-option

Meanwhile DU blamed Obama.

[betsuni]

9. Yes. Republican Trojan horse and so on.

It's amazing to still see Obama blamed for it. One of those myths that just won't die.

[redqueen]

11. I think people expected him to be another FDR

FDR had super majorities in both houses.

If we want to take anything back from the ruling class again we need to get those majorities again.

[betsuni]

14. Yes they did.

It shocked me how soon people turned on him and I wondered what they imagined they saw because it wasn't Obama.

[redqueen]

16. I think many people have a tenuous grasp of politics

The combined effects of anti-intellectualism and the stress caused for people who are barely able to get by really help the right wing noise machine. That machine went into overdrive in the 90s and it has only grown since then.

[MichMan]

18. Filibuster had nothing to do with the ACA

[betsuni]

40. Obama: "What is it about sixty votes that these folks don't understand?" 60 filibuster-proof votes.

[MichMan]

41. It wasn't filibustered was it?

Republicans did not have the power to stop it.

[betsuni]

42. Democrats had the 60 votes to get it passed without Republicans for four months and ten days,

from September 24, 2009 until February 4, 2010. Sort of a miracle!

[MiHale]

10. Already know the names...time to start kicking ass!

[jmbar2]

12. We need to close loopholes that have been exploited by the far right that jeopardize democracy

Reverse engineer Project 2025
- Supremes - term limits, ethics oversight with teeth
- Voting rights - reverse actions that have disenfranchised voters
- Women's rights, LGBTQ
- Limits on privatization of education
- Strengthen separation of church and state - tax the megachurches engaged in political activity
- Corporate and high income tax reform
- Labor laws
- Environment
- Energy
- etc.

[Beachnutt]

13. Lower the age for Social Security full retirement,

You hit all the Good things we can do while stiff arming the rethugs

[LaMouffette]

21. Agreed! And also repeal the tax on social security that was enacted by Ronald Reagan, and while we're at it,

raise or remove the cap on social security taxed income:

WHAT CHANGES COULD BE MADE TO THE TAX CAP?
There have been a number of proposals to increase, eliminate, or otherwise adjust the payroll tax cap as a way to shore up Social Security’s finances.

An example of one such proposal, the Social Security 2100 Act, would apply the Social Security payroll tax to earnings over $400,000 in addition to earnings below the current maximum taxable amount. The gap between the two would narrow over time as the maximum taxable amount increases and the $400,000 threshold remains unchanged. That gap has earned the nickname donut hole and would serve to gradually increase the program’s revenues over time while not subjecting earners who fall in the gap to immediate tax increases. While estimates vary based on assumed wage trends and the specific details of each proposal, economists project that it would take approximately 20 to 30 years for the donut hole to disappear. Such an approach is intended to make the tax more progressive by increasing the tax burden on higher-income Americans.

https://www.pgpf.org/blog/2023/12/should-we-eliminate-the-social-security-tax-cap-here-are-the-pros-and-cons#:~:text=The%20limit%20on%20annual%20earnings,of%20%248%2C400%20from%20last%20year.

[jmbar2]

22. Yes indeed!

We have a very leaky bucket that needs to be fixed ASAP.

[Chicagogrl1]

17. Amen Amen Amen!!!!!

Codify Roe v Wade
Fix the immigration system
Make DC & Puerto Rico a state
Continue to expand the ACA
Tax the Billionaires
Etc etc etc etc

[barbtries]

19. me too.

let's try democracy for a change. no more minority oppression!

[rickford66]

20. Voting rights, abortion rights and reform the Supreme Court.

Of course s**t caning the Filibuster will be required.

[Think. Again.]

35. So let's do it.

[intheflow]

23. And expand the SCOTUS!!! n/t

[ananda]

24. No if about it. It will happen!

!!!

[AllaN01Bear]

27. a friend of mine who i lost contact with one time asked ," why do we have to negotiate with the rs?

thirty years of their gvt shutown nonsense has cost us in the long run. . ny is a start and i got my fingers and toes crosset . go team go!!

[LakeArenal]

28. As possible: codify Roe, end the filibuster, add Justices & end the Electoral College.

Those are my fights. I don’t see need to add extraneous bs. Those items will do the damage to Republicans.

[Fla Dem]

29. Agree! First thing increase SC Justices to 13.

There are 13 appellate courts. Should be the same number of SCJ's.

There are 13 appellate courts that sit below the U.S. Supreme Court, and they are called the U.S. Courts of Appeals. The 94 federal judicial districts are organized into 12 regional circuits, each of which has a court of appeals.

https://www.uscourts.gov/about-federal-courts/court-role-and-structure#:~:text=There%20are%2013%20appellate%20courts,has%20a%20court%20of%20appeals.

Rotate justices so only 9 hear each case. The court is over worked and politically unbalanced. It needs to be fixed in Biden's 1st year of 2nd term, he needs to appoint 4 new justices.

[librechik]

30. Amen!

We will only be showing them the same courtesy they have shown us.

[republianmushroom]

34. No matter what, the (Dem's) will try to appease the repug's to a degree.

Don't want to make them look to bad.

[Think. Again.]

36. That needs to end.

[themaguffin]

37. Keeping the Senate is a significant challenge this year. The House looks good to flip. I'm concerned that

...well without both chambers, more of a shit show, but also an asshole R Justice will retire knowing that he won't get replaced.

Those fuckers will sit on it for years if need be.

[onenote]

38. We're not going to have the necessary majority to expel anyone.