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SoFlaBro

(3,730 posts)
Wed Feb 14, 2024, 04:54 PM Feb 2024

Well that didn't take long: "Democrats' Joe Biden Problem Got Worse With Special Election Win"

https://www.newsweek.com/democrats-joe-biden-problem-got-worse-special-election-win-1870058?utm_term=Autofeed&
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They are as predictable as the sunrise and Donnie Shittypants smelling like a sack of rat farts.

This was going to be bad for Dems no matter what happened.

Excerpt from the dogshit article:
Democrats may have won the special election in New York, but Tom Suozzi's win could suggest that there's a winning tactic for Democratic candidates—as long as they're willing to abandon President Joe Biden.

Questions about Biden's reelection campaign have swirled in the last week after a damning report from special counsel Robert Hur described the 81-year-old president as a forgetful commander-in-chief. The report came amid already troubling numbers for Biden, who is neck-and-neck with former President Donald Trump in a hypothetical rematch in 2024 and whose approval ratings have struggled since August 2021.


As an increasing number of voters and anti-Trump media are now casting doubt over Biden's reelection effort, Suozzi—a rare Democrat who spent his competitive race distancing himself from the president and admitted Biden was "old" on the eve of his special election—has flipped a GOP seat in a swing district.

"Suozzi had an effective strategy, and that's frequently a good way to go when the president is unpopular," Michael Gordon, a Democratic strategist and principal at Group Gordon, told Newsweek.
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Well that didn't take long: "Democrats' Joe Biden Problem Got Worse With Special Election Win" (Original Post) SoFlaBro Feb 2024 OP
Another poster just a few minutes before you asked how soon rurallib Feb 2024 #1
It is such a piece of shit article. Probably already had it typed out yesterday and changed a few fucking things today. SoFlaBro Feb 2024 #2
Isn't newsweek a rw rag?................... Lovie777 Feb 2024 #3
They claim to be middle of the road. It's a shitshow. This bullshit has been going on for years now. SoFlaBro Feb 2024 #5
Newsweek Embraces the Anti-Democracy Hard Right Celerity Feb 2024 #35
What a piece of shit article by Newsweek's "Senior Writer." SunSeeker Feb 2024 #4
Let me sum up the article: "Polls say. Polls say. Polls say. Polls say. Polls say." SoFlaBro Feb 2024 #6
Whoever she is.. I'm not going to the link.. Is a Liar. Cha Feb 2024 #15
Bull Shit... I don't even want to Cha Feb 2024 #7
I'm sick of this shit. Suozzi could have gotten all 200,000 votes to 0 and it would still be "bad for Biden". Fuck this. SoFlaBro Feb 2024 #10
lol... Do they even know how Fucking Predictable Cha Feb 2024 #19
Your not missing anything MustLoveBeagles Feb 2024 #18
Mahalo for Confirming, Beagles! Cha Feb 2024 #22
Hopefully... Think. Again. Feb 2024 #8
They aren't even trying to appear objective anymore. All bias. All fucking day. SoFlaBro Feb 2024 #13
Won't click the link. Not surprised at all. The Unmitigated Gall Feb 2024 #9
Revolting. apcalc Feb 2024 #11
Now we know what we are up against. Piece of shit journalism. SoFlaBro Feb 2024 #14
One of things I like about politics is that there are always at least 2 sides to story. One side often BS, though. Silent Type Feb 2024 #12
The comments on that article give me a smidge of hope that the electorate is not entirely fucking stupid. SoFlaBro Feb 2024 #25
Unfortunately it's the truth (head in sand) Tribetime Feb 2024 #16
Which part? SoFlaBro Feb 2024 #20
That's what I want to know MustLoveBeagles Feb 2024 #26
Predictably right wing biased. Nothing biden's approval rating is underwater, ignoring that Donnie's is drowning. unblock Feb 2024 #17
"Reign of error" lol The article relies HEAVILY on a polling model we have strong indication is flawed and MAGA biased. SoFlaBro Feb 2024 #21
ABC News' polling methodology and standards brooklynite Feb 2024 #28
They don't get to hide behind "Margin of Error" on these shitty polls. They are pushing a narrative. SoFlaBro Feb 2024 #29
ABC? The Washington Post? or both? brooklynite Feb 2024 #30
None of them. The "error" is always in the same goddamn direction. SoFlaBro Feb 2024 #31
But they commissioned the poll. And what's the "error" in this case? brooklynite Feb 2024 #33
The error is that Dems seem to over-perform the polls by 3-5 points routinely. Hasn't been the other way in years. SoFlaBro Feb 2024 #36
ABC/Washington Post never did a poll on NY-3 if that's what you're thinking of brooklynite Feb 2024 #39
Why is it always "wrong" in the same direction? Why don't they adjust their dogshit models? SoFlaBro Feb 2024 #40
Five polls showing Suozzi in the lead were "in the wrong direction"? brooklynite Feb 2024 #41
Yes, when you have to add in the MoE to get in the ballpark of the result. That is in the wrong direction. SoFlaBro Feb 2024 #42
The first four polls were all taken before the House spiked the border bill... brooklynite Feb 2024 #43
He expected it to be close based on the shit polling. They keep getting these races wrong and skewed towards MAGA. SoFlaBro Feb 2024 #44
So you're saying he's not as perceptive about polls as the blogosphere? brooklynite Feb 2024 #45
This isn't the only race where this has happened. Ballot initiatives. Special races. The bias keeps fucking happening. SoFlaBro Feb 2024 #46
One thing I don't do is let anger cloud my judgement... brooklynite Feb 2024 #47
As long as the final numbers coalesce around the final result and within the margin of error, there is nothing to reveal SoFlaBro Feb 2024 #48
The odd thing is they run that with a video saying this was a "boost" for Biden muriel_volestrangler Feb 2024 #23
They can't get their fucking head and their ass wired together at that rag. SoFlaBro Feb 2024 #24
I didn't know the New York Times Pitchbot had branched out into writing for Newsweek Emrys Feb 2024 #27
They really think we are fucking stupid and not wise to their bullshit. SoFlaBro Feb 2024 #32
Not surprised Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Feb 2024 #34
I had no clue it was so fucking shitty. This shit got my blood boiling. SoFlaBro Feb 2024 #38
What trash. Fla Dem Feb 2024 #37

rurallib

(64,510 posts)
1. Another poster just a few minutes before you asked how soon
Wed Feb 14, 2024, 04:57 PM
Feb 2024

the headline you post would appear in the RW media. Karmic?

SoFlaBro

(3,730 posts)
2. It is such a piece of shit article. Probably already had it typed out yesterday and changed a few fucking things today.
Wed Feb 14, 2024, 04:59 PM
Feb 2024

SoFlaBro

(3,730 posts)
5. They claim to be middle of the road. It's a shitshow. This bullshit has been going on for years now.
Wed Feb 14, 2024, 05:01 PM
Feb 2024

Celerity

(53,525 posts)
35. Newsweek Embraces the Anti-Democracy Hard Right
Wed Feb 14, 2024, 05:59 PM
Feb 2024






https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2022/11/04/newsweek-embraces-anti-democracy-hard-right



November 04, 2022

Although opinion pages in ostensibly nonpartisan, mainstream publications promote political opinions, sometimes controversial ones, Newsweek stands alone among such brands in its willingness to elevate such figures as Jack Posobiec, known for promoting the Pizzagate disinformation campaign, and Dinesh D’Souza, whose film 2000 Mules researchers roundly debunked for spreading conspiracies about the 2020 election. Under Hammer’s leadership, Newsweek has also aired bigoted views, like appearing to call for the state to deny adults access to trans-affirming medical care and supporting a ban on all legal immigration into the U.S. They have also spread baseless conspiracies about COVID-19, with one of Hammer’s collaborators describing vaccines designed to fight the virus as a “bioweapon.”

Newsweek has also failed to disclose potential conflicts of interest emerging in the content published through Hammer’s opinion section and his Newsweek-branded podcast, “The Josh Hammer Show.” Hammer donated to the campaign of Arizona U.S. Senate candidate Blake Masters and at least four times published the work of a man who ran one of Masters’ fundraisers. On his podcast, Hammer told Newsweek’s audience to “go ahead and vote for Blake Masters.” Hammer also promoted hard-right Hungarian leader Viktor Orbán in a Newsweek dispatch authored from Hungary, without disclosing that he arrived there in collaboration with a group directly affiliated with the Hungarian government. Hammer also claims membership in a number of reactionary activist groups, and regularly publishes people who are also affiliated with them. He will appear on behalf of the New York Young Republican Club alongside Posobiec and QAnon influencer-turned-congressperson Marjorie Taylor Greene in December.

Hatewatch reached out to Newsweek for comment about the reporting published in this analysis. Newsweek first introduced Hatewatch to a representative of the journalism-focused non-profit Poynter, whom they contracted to advise them on ethics in 2019. Hatewatch had three different conversations with Poynter about Newsweek and their relationship, which are detailed later in this analysis. A representative from the public relations agency LBG PR replied asking for our questions. Hatewatch responded by emailing 19 different specific questions inspired by the reporting in this analysis, and LBG PR issued the following statement in reply:







Blake Masters, the Republican candidate for Arizona’s U.S. Senate seat, has emerged as a favored candidate of white nationalists, neo-Nazis and other admirers of fascism. (One of his major donors, tech billionaire Peter Thiel, has said he no longer believes freedom and democracy are “compatible.”) The notorious white supremacist website American Renaissance has republished versions of stories about Masters’ controversies from other outlets, drawing cheers from their notoriously racist comment section. White nationalist Nick Fuentes, who praises such fascist dictators as Adolf Hitler and Benito Mussolini, also supports Masters. Neo-Nazi Andrew Anglin of the hate site The Daily Stormer wrote to his fans about Masters in June:



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SunSeeker

(57,435 posts)
4. What a piece of shit article by Newsweek's "Senior Writer."
Wed Feb 14, 2024, 05:00 PM
Feb 2024

So she concludes Suozzi won because he "distanced himself from Biden." And she repeats false assertions from the Hur report to boot. If distancing yourself from Biden was the winning formula, why didn't Pilip win?

Cha

(316,406 posts)
15. Whoever she is.. I'm not going to the link.. Is a Liar.
Wed Feb 14, 2024, 05:11 PM
Feb 2024

Tom Suozzi went after Mazi for endorsing TSF issues that Pres Biden Supported!

When his opponent, Mazi Pilip, condemned a bipartisan Senate deal that included stiff border security provisions that conservatives had demanded, Suozzi went on the attack, accusing her of putting partisanship over national security.

“People want to say immigration is a Republican issue, abortion is a Democratic issue,” he said. “These are the issues people care about.”

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=18684199

Mahalo

Cha

(316,406 posts)
7. Bull Shit... I don't even want to
Wed Feb 14, 2024, 05:04 PM
Feb 2024

go to the link.. just comment on the Stupid Ass headline.

Newsflash.. Tom Suozzi's WIN & the PA Special Election for the House is Good News for America's Patriots and that includes Pres Biden!

SoFlaBro

(3,730 posts)
10. I'm sick of this shit. Suozzi could have gotten all 200,000 votes to 0 and it would still be "bad for Biden". Fuck this.
Wed Feb 14, 2024, 05:08 PM
Feb 2024

Cha

(316,406 posts)
19. lol... Do they even know how Fucking Predictable
Wed Feb 14, 2024, 05:18 PM
Feb 2024

they are... and their GD "polls"..

Wha if he polls saying how close everything is Got GOTV For Dems!

That and Immigration and Women's Rights Access!

 

Think. Again.

(22,456 posts)
8. Hopefully...
Wed Feb 14, 2024, 05:05 PM
Feb 2024

...the majority of Americans, who will be voting for Biden in November, will have found media sources with more integrity to get our information from by the time January 20th rolls around.

Hey media? we won't be forgetting this crap you're trying to pull.

Silent Type

(12,389 posts)
12. One of things I like about politics is that there are always at least 2 sides to story. One side often BS, though.
Wed Feb 14, 2024, 05:09 PM
Feb 2024

SoFlaBro

(3,730 posts)
25. The comments on that article give me a smidge of hope that the electorate is not entirely fucking stupid.
Wed Feb 14, 2024, 05:27 PM
Feb 2024

unblock

(55,854 posts)
17. Predictably right wing biased. Nothing biden's approval rating is underwater, ignoring that Donnie's is drowning.
Wed Feb 14, 2024, 05:14 PM
Feb 2024

Donnie's approval ratings were underwater for the entirety of his 4 years in office. Worse, his reign of error boasted the most consistently high "strongly disapprove" numbers of any presidency ever.

But the media constantly ignores how despised and loathed Donnie is in favor of telling us that Biden being 3.5 years older is the real issue.

Never mind how they ignore that he's a certified rapist. Yeah right, pump up the guy with 91 indictments, civil fines, lawsuits galore, national security nightmare, etc....

Biden's current unpopularity is pretty much entirely due to propaganda from out biased media.

SoFlaBro

(3,730 posts)
21. "Reign of error" lol The article relies HEAVILY on a polling model we have strong indication is flawed and MAGA biased.
Wed Feb 14, 2024, 05:21 PM
Feb 2024
 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
28. ABC News' polling methodology and standards
Wed Feb 14, 2024, 05:45 PM
Feb 2024
ABC News maintains standards for disclosure, validity, reliability and unbiased content in survey research and evaluates surveys being considered for use to establish whether they meet these standards.

On disclosure, in addition to the identities of the research sponsor and field work provider, ABC requires a detailed statement of methodology, the full questionnaire and complete marginal data. Proprietary research is not exempted.

Methodologically, in all or nearly all cases ABC requires a probability-based sample, with high levels of coverage of a credible sampling frame. Non-probability, self-selected or so-called "convenience" samples, including internet opt-in, e-mail, "blast fax," call-in, street intercept and non-probability mail-in samples do not meet ABC standards for validity and reliability.

ABC may accept some probability-based surveys that do not meet its own methodological standards but may recommend cautious use of such data, with qualifying language.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/PollVault/abc-news-polling-methodology-standards/story?id=145373


Number 2 rated at 538

SoFlaBro

(3,730 posts)
29. They don't get to hide behind "Margin of Error" on these shitty polls. They are pushing a narrative.
Wed Feb 14, 2024, 05:49 PM
Feb 2024

SoFlaBro

(3,730 posts)
36. The error is that Dems seem to over-perform the polls by 3-5 points routinely. Hasn't been the other way in years.
Wed Feb 14, 2024, 06:08 PM
Feb 2024
 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
39. ABC/Washington Post never did a poll on NY-3 if that's what you're thinking of
Wed Feb 14, 2024, 06:21 PM
Feb 2024

Feb. 10-12
500 LV
J.L. Partners (R)
Suozzi 46% 45% Pilip Suozzi +1

Feb. 3-6
694 LV
Siena College (for Newsday)
Suozzi 48% 44% Pilip Suozzi +4

Feb. 4-5
742 LV
Emerson College (for WPIX)
Suozzi 52% 48% Pilip Suozzi +4

Jan. 13-15
975 RV
Emerson College (for WPIX)
Suozzi 45% 42% Pilip Suozzi +4

Nov. 30
900 LV
Opinion Diagnostics (R)
Kellen Curry Suozzi 43% 39% Curry Suozzi +4

A D+4 poll with a 3.5% margin of error isn't "wrong" or a conspiracy.

SoFlaBro

(3,730 posts)
40. Why is it always "wrong" in the same direction? Why don't they adjust their dogshit models?
Wed Feb 14, 2024, 06:26 PM
Feb 2024

SoFlaBro

(3,730 posts)
42. Yes, when you have to add in the MoE to get in the ballpark of the result. That is in the wrong direction.
Wed Feb 14, 2024, 06:32 PM
Feb 2024
 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
43. The first four polls were all taken before the House spiked the border bill...
Wed Feb 14, 2024, 06:36 PM
Feb 2024

...and immigration was a big campaign issue. It changed the dynamics of the race.

Too many people seem to imagine polls need to reflect the actual result no matter how far back they're collected.

nb: Tom Suozzi told me he expected the race to be close. Which is what the polling suggested.

SoFlaBro

(3,730 posts)
44. He expected it to be close based on the shit polling. They keep getting these races wrong and skewed towards MAGA.
Wed Feb 14, 2024, 06:47 PM
Feb 2024
 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
45. So you're saying he's not as perceptive about polls as the blogosphere?
Wed Feb 14, 2024, 06:50 PM
Feb 2024

I might say he understood the baseline race was close and he adjusted his campaign message and turnout strategy to boost his numbers. But that wouldn't be nearly as entertaining an explanation.

SoFlaBro

(3,730 posts)
46. This isn't the only race where this has happened. Ballot initiatives. Special races. The bias keeps fucking happening.
Wed Feb 14, 2024, 08:35 PM
Feb 2024
 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
47. One thing I don't do is let anger cloud my judgement...
Wed Feb 14, 2024, 09:38 PM
Feb 2024

...that way I can see how irrational it is to assume that EVERY polling institute (commercial and academic) is conspiring with EVERY media sponsor to intentionally bias EVERY poll, and nobody's going to reveal the conspiracy.

SoFlaBro

(3,730 posts)
48. As long as the final numbers coalesce around the final result and within the margin of error, there is nothing to reveal
Wed Feb 14, 2024, 09:40 PM
Feb 2024

muriel_volestrangler

(105,476 posts)
23. The odd thing is they run that with a video saying this was a "boost" for Biden
Wed Feb 14, 2024, 05:22 PM
Feb 2024

and that it shows the way for Biden to win - abortion, immigration and crime being the "hot topics". And then they run a video of Scaramucci saying it shows Trump has "lost the suburbs". So it's this writer who has decided everything must be "bad news for Biden".

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(132,296 posts)
34. Not surprised
Wed Feb 14, 2024, 05:59 PM
Feb 2024

The publication has always had a conservative streak. I stopped reading it because of the sickly sweet articles kissing Ronald Reagan's ass.

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