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https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2024/02/17/scam-tips-columnist-50k/https://archive.ph/cXb91
What everyone can learn from the woman who lost $50,000 to a scam
Dont want to end up handing a box of cash to scammers? Watch for these red flags.
By Heather Kelly
February 17, 2024 at 6:00 a.m. EST
Everyone thinks theyre too smart to fall for a scam until it happens to them.
Today, you might be making fun of the financial-advice writer who went viral for putting $50,000 in cash in a box and handing it to a stranger. Tomorrow, you or someone you love could be falling for a less dramatic scam.
In her article for New York Magazines the Cut, journalist Charlotte Cowles describes in detail how she fell for an elaborate scam that used fear, technology and her data to convince her it was real. A caller posed as someone from Amazon, then transferred her to someone posing as a Federal Trade Commission liaison, then someone claiming to be from the CIA and finally the scammers convinced her to withdraw cash and hand it over to a stranger outside her home.
The end result sounds wild on its own, but broken down step by step the scam did include the kinds of convincing details that frequently trick people. Heres what we can all learn from this scam.
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https://www.thecut.com/article/amazon-scam-call-ftc-arrest-warrants.html
https://archive.ph/YJG9z
Feb. 15, 2024
The Day I Put $50,000 in a Shoe Box and Handed It to a Stranger I never thought I was the kind of person to fall for a scam.
By Charlotte Cowles, the Cuts financial-advice columnist.
On a Tuesday evening this past October, I put $50,000 in cash in a shoe box, taped it shut as instructed, and carried it to the sidewalk in front of my apartment, my phone clasped to my ear. Dont let anyone hurt me, I told the man on the line, feeling pathetic.
You wont be hurt, he answered. Just keep doing exactly as I say.
Three minutes later, a white Mercedes SUV pulled up to the curb. The back window will open, said the man on the phone. Do not look at the driver or talk to him. Put the box through the window, say thank you, and go back inside.
The man on the phone knew my home address, my Social Security number, the names of my family members, and that my 2-year-old son was playing in our living room. He told me my home was being watched, my laptop had been hacked, and we were in imminent danger. I can help you, but only if you cooperate, he said. His first orders: I could not tell anyone about our conversation, not even my spouse, or talk to the police or a lawyer.
Now I know this was all a scam a cruel and violating one but painfully obvious in retrospect. Heres what I cant figure out: Why didnt I just hang up and call 911? Why didnt I text my husband, or my brother (a lawyer), or my best friend (also a lawyer), or my parents, or one of the many other people who would have helped me? Why did I hand over all that money the contents of my savings account, strictly for emergencies without a bigger fight?
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GoodRaisin
(10,922 posts)You dont have to answer the phone anymore for spammers and scammers.
With my iPhone there is this neat little setting I use where it wont even ring for a number that isnt in my contact list. It goes into my call log as an unanswered call. I get a few a day. Then I just swipe them away!
SouthernDem4ever
(6,619 posts)Never reply to emails saying you won money.
Also, never login to another website from a link in an email. Always type in the web address directly and then login.
GoodRaisin
(10,922 posts)Bottom line dont open anything from sources you dont trust. For me, thats the majority of my emails.
CrispyQ
(40,969 posts)Subtle differences:
Prof. Toru Tanaka
(2,926 posts)Now, I will be double checking those lower case as in the future.
And if the number is not recognized by my caller ID, I block it.
mitch96
(15,802 posts)If this is an unknown number I will not pick it up. "please leave a message and I'll get right back to you"
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pazzyanne
(6,759 posts)I have learned to hang up the minute the caller doesn't answer my hello.
I have alerted my medical providers, who are using cell phones. Also there is a tell tale sound when they pick up the call, if I wait that long. My phone doesn't a neat little setting like yours.
SouthernDem4ever
(6,619 posts)When I get a call from an unknown number, I answer and hit the mute button. If you don't say hello and it's an automated dialer, it will just hang up when it hears silence. Then I block that number. I know it's cat and mouse but it still gives me a little satisfaction lol.
pazzyanne
(6,759 posts)I will try this suggestion.
question everything
(52,134 posts)GoodRaisin
(10,922 posts)I simply switch the setting so the phone will ring. During that time I manually screen the calls until the one I am waiting for comes in. Then I switch back after the call. However, most of my medical providers numbers are set up in my contact list so I dont have to do that.
Also, every caller can leave a voice mail if they want to. The scammers almost never do.
Of course you cant use a phone feature you dont have, but most phones still have caller ID and you dont have to answer unknown callers. So there really isnt any good reason to fall for one of these scams.
Botany
(77,323 posts)Hint, clue, and or knowledge Amazon never calls they are an online business.
shrike3
(5,370 posts)I don't have one.
Botany
(77,323 posts)My brother told me he had to use his Amazon prime account account to work on the
problem
. I tried telling him Amazon never calls they are an online operation.
The same goes with calls from the FBI too. When the FBI wants to talk with you
they show up at your front door they dont call.
Until we had a new blocking phone installed the scams were endless and a Columbus P.D.
Fraud Detective told me that my mom was on the dark web where for 50 to 100 $s you can
buy a nice package of information on somebody so when the scammer calls he or she can
sound quite convincing.
SouthernDem4ever
(6,619 posts)it was the late 1990's and they kept calling us and telling us we had a problem with our microsoft software. We all had MACS in my house at the time. They were calling two and three times a day.
RockRaven
(19,373 posts)For all the "oh, see the lessons to learn from Red Flag Type X here, and Red Flag Type Z here,..." this is still a story about some fuck-knuckle who believed that a CIA person was talking to her on the phone.
YOU ARE NOT THE MAIN CHARACTER IN A FEATURE FILM. You're not. Stop it!
SouthernDem4ever
(6,619 posts)While some scams are getting obvious or well known, the scammers get more sophisticated every year. At this point, personal information has been stolen from so many sources from so many hacks that the scammers will in all likelihood have your personal identifying information so when they contact you, you might think they are a trusted source. Also, a lot of scams are accomplished over long periods of time. They will set up a system of trust first and six months later all of your money is gone. In the case of romance scammers over a period of years is some cases. Remember, they have all day to work you over, that's their job.
BigmanPigman
(55,137 posts)I have been learning about the scammers over the last 10 days and they ar super tricky. They can get enough specific info on you to seem legit. They are very skilled at doing this by now and have a great set-up. They will always be five steps ahead of the rest of us. This is their job, this is how they earn a living so of course they are going to put everything they can into it since it is very lucrative for them and their govt who gets kickbacks and look the other way. They have it made and they are empowered.
hatrack
(64,887 posts)That's the problem: "Is this Pete?" "Yes" you say - congratulations, they now have a recording of your voice saying yes, which can serve as "proof" that you agreed to whatever services they "provided".
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Happy Hoosier
(9,535 posts)Ask for something in writing which includes a call back number. Ive helped my M-I-L avoid scam after scam with that technique. She trusts me enough to want to run it by me before forking over her information and money. Thats my advice in writing and a call-back number. The scammers NEVER do that.
SouthernDem4ever
(6,619 posts)Lucky your M-I-L has you and looks to you for guidance. This isn't always the case in many families.
Happy Hoosier
(9,535 posts)But I hate the narrative that it is so easy to fall for. A few simple rules will protect even the most unsophisticated person.
Thats not to say I dont have sympathy for the victims. I certainly do.
BigmanPigman
(55,137 posts)It was shear Hell!!!!! Thank god I saw the red flags since they did everything listed in the link. I have learned a lot about scammers since then and it is all really, really bad. I watched You Tube videos of nailing scammers in India and it made me puke. They are evil sociopaths and monsters why justify their crimes by saying Americans are rich and can afford it. Their own governments do not do anything to stop them since they benefit financially. Our govt can't do anything since it is out of our jurisdiction.
I have had to close bank accounts, destroy all my checks, have my computer cleaned, and am still trying to get the IRS up to date as well as filing police reports. Basically I have been a basket case since then. Thank god I do not trust anyone and have never done banking on-line, no direct deposit and I pay my bills with the USPS (which sucks more than ever and many checks never arrived at all and I have to pay late fees). I hate living in 2024. This is not "living", this is a life long lesson in the loss of trust in our institutions and fellow humans.
My 85 year old mother almost lost tons of $$$ and her neighbor is the one who realized what was happening before it was too late. THE ARE PURE EVIL!!!!! They will use every trick in the book and terrify you. Since I remembered what happened to my mom I saw the red flags myself before I was robbed. It was like they were HELPING ME! It also was similar to a kidnapping and ransom $$$ secrecy. Apparently they are religious hypocrites as far as Karma is concerned.
Every person that I have spoken to in the tech industry agrees that they should be shot. I think that is too good for them. Make them suffer like their victims did....senior citizens, college students, etc. I lost 5 pounds in 3 days from throwing up and about got only about 28 total hours of sleep in a week due the scammers.
Scrivener7
(59,522 posts)article, I think it is likely that an attempt will be made on everyone at some point or another.
What happened? How did they approach you?
BigmanPigman
(55,137 posts)I have researched people who track down scammers for a living and what they did to me was mentioned on one of their videos and so is the one they used to get my mother ( they told her my niece was in jail). My computer was "cleaned" but every day a new problem occurs. Like today, I was trying to do my taxes and everything is messed up and I can't even get my emails, the printer won't work and all my passwords are who knows where. I HATE tech!!! At least I feel better that the scam busters said even they sometimes get scammed. They will find a way.
Norton Security sent me a gmail saying they charged me $300 for their security and to call if there is a problem. Since McAfee sends me stuff I thought it was a legit overcharge. I called them and all hell broke loose. I am mentally upset over this from 2 months ago. The thing is is that I hardly ever use the damn desk top or email. Seriously...
about 5 times a year I use it and this has cost me so much wasted time, money, and stress and has harmed my health.
Now I have to figure out how to do my taxes since nothing works and I am low income and can't afford tax prep. H and R Block is trying to get me to go and hire one of their offices and I just read an article from CNN which says they are ripping off people and are hiding past returns and making you buy more of their software when I qualify for free taxes. They are being sued so I really don't trust them. What I do now? San Diego County was granted an extension until June 17 due to floods this past winter so maybe I can beg my neighbor to help since he knows tech stuff. It is 9:30 PM and I haven't even eaten today due to the tech BS.
wishstar
(5,829 posts)Most of my friends have been victims at least once. But even without being swept into a plot exploiting fear, we're all vulnerable even by just hitting on a counterfeit email link or ordering from a fraudulent company that looks legit.
Recently a scammer claimed to be from electric company telling my friend her power would be cut off since her bill was overdue.. When she told them she had automatic payments from her bank, scammer connected her to second imposter who pretended to be from her bank to whom she gave her bank information.
SouthernDem4ever
(6,619 posts)DU should start a scammer's thread so examples can be accumulated for all of our benefit.
Scrivener7
(59,522 posts)Alliepoo
(2,832 posts)It could be very helpful!
mitch96
(15,802 posts)shrike3
(5,370 posts)However, the area code was from another state. I logged onto our power company's website, and sure enough there was a big banner article about the scam. It explained the cut-off process -- done by mail -- and that the company never calls to warn of a shut-off.
Dem2theMax
(11,005 posts)Or open an email or a text from someone you don't know.
If you are expecting a call from someone, but you may not know their number, let them leave you a voicemail. Then you can call them back.
This ain't rocket science. It's common sense. No matter how good they are, if you don't answer, they can't get to you. Period.
Emile
(42,289 posts)they're legit they can leave a message and a return phone number.
Generic Brad
(14,374 posts)"I am with the FBI, bank internal investigations, etc and we need your help catching a criminal teller who is short changing customers. The teller is suspicious of getting caught by law enforcement which is why we need a regular customer to step in. We need you to withdraw all your money and hand it over to Officer Scammer. Don't worry. It's safe. All the other customers in the bank are undercover agents who will have your back." Then you do the withdrawal, hand over the funds and are told by Officer Scammer and a Bank Investigator that the teller was caught and the Bank Investigator will put the money back into your account. They laud you as a hero. You saved the day. You think you stopped a criminal. Eventually you realize you were scammed and handed over your cash to thieves.
Variations of that are they find an excuse to threaten you with a bogus situation as described in the story above. But the commonality is to convince the victim to voluntarily turn over their cash to the scammer.
Chainfire
(17,757 posts)They want something for nothing and they usually prey on people who want something for nothing.
SouthernDem4ever
(6,619 posts)Read the whole report at:
https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2024/02/nationwide-fraud-losses-top-10-billion-2023-ftc-steps-efforts-protect-public
Newly released Federal Trade Commission data show that consumers reported losing more than $10 billion to fraud in 2023, marking the first time that fraud losses have reached that benchmark. This marks a 14% increase over reported losses in 2022.
Consumers reported losing more money to investment scamsmore than $4.6 billionthan any other category in 2023. That amount represents a 21% increase over 2022. The second highest reported loss amount came from imposter scams, with losses of nearly $2.7 billion reported. In 2023, consumers reported losing more money to bank transfers and cryptocurrency than all other methods combined.
"Digital tools are making it easier than ever to target hard-working Americans, and we see the effects of that in the data we're releasing today, said Samuel Levine, Director of the FTCs Bureau of Consumer Protection. The FTC is working hard to take action against those scams."
The FTC received fraud reports from 2.6 million consumers last year, nearly the same amount as 2022. The most commonly reported scam category was imposter scams, which saw significant increases in reports of both business and government impersonators.
Online shopping issues were the second most commonly reported in the fraud category, followed by prizes, sweepstakes, and lotteries; investment-related reports; and business and job opportunity scams.
Another first is the method scammers reportedly used to reach consumers most commonly in 2023: email. Email displaced text messages, which held the top spot in 2022 after decades of phone calls being the most common. Phone calls are the second most commonly reported contact method for fraud in 2023, followed by text messages.
John Shaft
(808 posts)Complete lack of street smarts.
SouthernDem4ever
(6,619 posts)To his PACS and gofundme requests to cover his criminal lawyers?
John Shaft
(808 posts)All's fair for a square.
edhopper
(37,370 posts)There are scams with someone impersonating a family member. And with AI they can now imitate voices. Among your family have a code word. A movie or city or anything you can ask. If you say what's the movie? and they don't immediately say Shane or some such, you hang up.
dalton99a
(94,119 posts)Don't call any number the scammer gave you
Always call your family
SouthernDem4ever
(6,619 posts)I don't care if you are on christianmingle.com or heathenmingle.com or any of this in-between. If you want to have fun on a dating site, never send someone money. If they start asking you for money, 98% probability you're being scammed. Don't give them any personal info, SS#, cell phone #, full name, address or ANY banking information. If someone is really interested in you, they won't get money involved. And remember, scammers won't always ask for money right away. Sometimes not for months.
SouthernDem4ever
(6,619 posts)Some are fun but all informative.
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hatrack
(64,887 posts)He provoked an explosion of pure rage by a scammer who spent something like 12 hours on trying to run a scam.
It was turned into a heavy metal remix. Brilliant!!
SouthernDem4ever
(6,619 posts)It's fun to watch him laugh at the scammers all the way through his videos.
hatrack
(64,887 posts)(which shows precisely how tech-attuned I am).
DBoon
(24,983 posts)If someone calls and says they are from your bank, hang up and call the number on your printed bank statement (you still get these, right?)
Just hang up. The call may be legit, but still hang up. If they give you a support number to call back, don't use it. Use the number on the back of your card or on your statement.
dalton99a
(94,119 posts)shrike3
(5,370 posts)She was convinced to pay "the IRS" in what amounted to i-tune cards. Local cops told me people fall for that scam more than we know. Many are too embarrassed to come forward.
I HOPE I would be too cheap to fall for it, but you never know.
MichMan
(17,151 posts)That clearly should have been a red flag
Same applies to these foreign lotteries where people are told they won a large sum of money and need to pre pay taxes on it. How would someone win a lottery without ever buying a ticket?
shrike3
(5,370 posts)But a cop told me people fell for it all the time.
Ocelot II
(130,533 posts)I don't think anybody should assume they are immune from this kind of psychological pressure, or too smart to fall for it. Interestingly, it seems that more young people than elderly are now falling for these complicated scams. Seems like the best protection is at the very outset of the attempt, when you get the first phone call. Amazon won't call you; neither will the IRS. Your bank might (mine did when my debit card number was used for fraudulent transactions), but if they do, hang up and call back at their listed number, not the one the caller gives you, and check your account online first. The author of this article explains how they conned her incrementally, using personal information and multiple people posing as legitimate government agents. All that personal information can be easily obtained from online sources. Don't just assume you're too smart to be scammed.
SouthernDem4ever
(6,619 posts)Unfortunately I think the dark web has everyone's personal info. Your only protection left is not to fall for what they say and don't respond - And change your passwords regularly.
usedtobedemgurl
(2,050 posts)Medical issues in the house and have a revolving amount of medical folks looking after the issues.
Any time anyone says something like I have a compromised account/I owe taxes/I need to pay money, I stop the person. I explain I have a TBI - traumatic brain injury (true) so everything goes through my lawyers (not true). There has never been a time when they have not hung up on me.
Scrivener7
(59,522 posts)it could never happen to uou, I think that might make you an excellent mark.
