Rashida Tlaib, what is her

[Tickle]

Issue? Why is she telling Democrats to vote against president Biden?

Link to tweet

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[Voltaire2]

1. Her issue is 30,000 dead in Gaza.

[BootinUp]

2. Making Biden weaker is not going to help, is it?

So what its really about is more selfish fucking politics. Lets be honest.

[Bucky]

5. It's putting pressure on Biden to try to curtail Israel's "over the top" actions in Gaza

Would argue that over the top is kind of a weak way of describing the callous killing of 30,000 civilians. But at least Biden is recognizing that there's a big problem there, particularly when the attack isn't doing that much to reduce Hamas's fighting ability.

Her concern is genuine and based on a long-standing tradition among liberals of lodging protest votes. The suggestion that she should shut up and sit down and blindly follow the leader isn't terribly liberal or humane. It sounds like an argument Tailgunner Joe McCarthy would have made.

[BootinUp]

7. Its playing with fire. Biden has consistently raised the pressure on Netanyahu

There is now a new requirement for all foreign aid recipients with regards to the conduct of war. This was a direct response to calls for applying pressure on Israel.

[Bucky]

9. Not nearly enough pressure on Netanyahu, apparently

I don't know if you follow world events, but Netanyahu's policy, which borders on ethnic cleansing, is doing infinitely more damage to support for Israel around the world than any argument Tlaib makes.

Besides, we watch that video. She's not trying to hurt Biden's election chances. She's trying to build a bigger bull horn to stop the slaughter of her relatives.

[BootinUp]

11. I will have to give up with you. Who it is that struggles for comprehension

of how politics works will eventually become clear as always.

[Walleye]

26. Best of intentions don't count here. She's not trying to weaken Biden, but it's what she's doing

[Cha]

61. How do know Pres Biden isn't doing enough?!!! I Trust

Pres Biden is... and I don't trust those Slamming him and getting People Not to Vote for him.

[Mad_Machine76]

99. He can do what he can

In the end though this is ultimately Israel’s war. Biden isn’t in charge of it.

[womanofthehills]

98. The US plans to vote again against ceasefire

Very upsetting!!

UNITED NATIONS (AP) — The U.N. Security Council is expected to vote Tuesday on an Arab-backed resolution demanding an immediate humanitarian ceasefire in Gaza, which the United States announced it will veto.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/un-security-council-to-vote-tuesday-on-resolution-demanding-gaza-ceasefire-us-vows-to-use-its-veto/ar-BB1iudwZ

[BootinUp]

101. Have you considered that to achieve the best outcome

we need to follow Biden's lead? Give it some serious thought with an open mind. Thanks.

[RandomNumbers]

10. B.S. to your last line

It sounds more like someone recognizes that, despite the insanity of it, we are actually in a fight for democracy here, and we can't afford people who allegedly care about democracy shitting all over the person we need them to vote for. Face reality. Biden CAN'T stop Netanyahu from doing what he is going to do. Trump wouldn't even try. Trump will be far worse in this area, which Tlaib supposedly cares about; and far, far, worse in many other areas more immediately impactful to lives of the people in this country.

Don't forget that both Israel and Gaza voted FOR the horrible "leaders" who have wrought the tragedy there. We are not required to undermine our own security to save them from themselves. We can care about the innocent children - but there is plenty of brutality and suffering around the world to fight, and we are in a better place to fight it if we have Biden rather than Trump.

[Bucky]

23. We're fighting for democracy, so anyone who dissents needs to shut up

Not quite following your logic here

[RandomNumbers]

33. There are ways to protest that make sense. Pulling support from Biden doesn't.

Asking others to withhold support from Biden doesn't make sense. It is counter-productive. I tried to explain that in my previous post. Not sure how you can't follow it: Trump will CLEARLY be worse for the cause she pretends to support. For reasons that probably neither of us can explain, Trump still has a ridiculously high approval rating among a large swath of Americans. Michigan is a swing state.
Also, what some people can't seem to get through their thick heads: in our modern media environment, it really doesn't even matter that she is in a swing state. West Virginians bashing Hillary in 2016 surely didn't affect the outcome of West Virginia's vote in any significant way. But people all across the country are watching and listening. West Virginians bashing Hillary in 2016 certainly did affect the votes of their followers.

Protests that make sense: peaceful protests; calling attention to the suffering of children; fund drives to support meaningful aid efforts.

CALL ON HAMAS TO SURRENDER and THEN, CALL ON ISRAEL to do EVERYTHING to restore services and aid to Gaza - AFTER Hamas surrenders. But oh yeah, Tlaib will NEVER call on Hamas to surrender, because she sees them as somehow legitimate. After raping and murdering civilians? What kind of sick mind would think Hamas legitimate at this point?

[LenaBaby61]

34. "After raping and murdering civilians? What kind of sick mind would think Hamas legitimate at this point?"

Tlaib's sick mind, apparently .....

[tritsofme]

47. In the context of someone being a Trump supporter, that actually makes sense.

[womanofthehills]

104. According to the Times of Israel

- list and ages of all dead on Oct 7- one baby (it’s one too much) - but getting revenge by killing thousands of babies makes sense to you?. And the images of the poor Palestinian babies left to rot in Al-Nasr pediatric hospital. First the babies pics were blurred - but a not blurred video is out there. Now we are seeing thousands of images of babies and toddlers with missing limbs. One little three yr old is looking at his missing legs and asks if they will grow back. Besides almost 30,000 dead - there are 60 thousand with missing limbs, severe burns, etc. The least the US could do is put some hospital ships to treat these injured kids.

[Mossfern]

112. Israel is not acting in "revenge"

It is acting in defense. There's a difference. Hamas has promised more attacks like those on October 7th and continued missile attacks. Hamas leaders have explicitly said that they have no concern about the deaths of Palestinians as long as those deaths promote their cause of eradicating Israel and Jewish people around the world. They have noted that they are no responsible for the welfare of Gazans - that that is the responsibility of the UN.

This is not conjecture on my part it was documented and distributed throughout the globe.

[Silent3]

49. Telling people to shut up is very democratic, actually

A democracy requires that the government not impose legal sanctions on anyone for exercising free speech.

A democracy also requires all of the citizens to use their free speech, including telling other citizens that what they are saying is stupid, and yes, that we'd all be better off it they shut their stupid mouths.

[Cha]

62. I's Simple We're FOR Our Democracy. and Against The Fucking Fascists Taking Over our Country.

Tlaib Needs to Talk to Fucking HAMAS and Condemn Them. They Started this Fucking WAR. :

[tritsofme]

66. Apparently it is acceptable here now to accuse President Biden of being an "enabler" of genocide and apartheid

Absolutely disgusting.

[Cha]

69. Not Acceptable For Those Who Care About Our Democracy!

And, really Good to See it's Getting So Much Backlash!

[BlueKota]

81. This

Basically the whole world will be fucked, if we get Trump back, so the people she wants to help won't be helped, and all the rest of us will be sunk too. If people listen to her and don't vote for President Biden, Trump will win, and that's not a scenario anyone who wants peace and justice, should consider as acceptable.

[JI7]

13. She voted against condemning sexual violence so she isn't really in a position

to pressure others on these things.

[msfiddlestix]

56. She did WHAT????!!!!! She voted AGAINST condemning Sexual Violence? n/t

[EX500rider]

30. "a weak way of describing the callous killing of 30,000 civilians"

So 100% of the dead are civilians now?
The IDF has killed zero hamas?
Seems like some kind of hamas talking point IMO

[Hekate]

90. What you call a "longstanding tradition of liberals lodging protest votes" has cost us very dearly...

…in just my lifetime. Getting BushCheney into office just to show the libs a thing or two by voting for Nader was stupid as hell. Likewise pledging allegiance to Jill Stein to show Hillary you were — wtf, I don’t know, since Jillsie was a known pal of Putin’s — was easily the most fucking stupid move of my lifetime since we got Trump out of it.

How is pwning the libs showing anyone anything? There ARE NO “protest votes” in a 2-party system. You want that kind of thing, move to a country with a parliamentary system, and see what it’s like when a tiny but rabid minority (that knows how to hang together) has huge powers because they can make coalitions. Hey, I know — Israel has one of those, and despite being essentially a secular society, the Orthodox are incredibly powerful.

[betsuni]

97. "That's all right, the haters will shut up on Monday after we win." Tlaib after booing Hillary Clinton.

[mzmolly]

127. What he says publically

and privately about the matter likely differs. He doesn't have any good choices, here.

[Beastly Boy]

3. And she wants to punish Biden for it?

Assuming that's her issue with Biden, what would voting against Biden do to mitigate it?

[Bucky]

6. The protest is meant to pressure Biden to try and stop the reckless killing of Palestinians

Her position isn't complicated. If the president was supporting people who are bombing a town full of your cousins, I think you'd do the same.

The situation in Gaza is extremely complicated and delicate. Dumbing it down with "If you don't support The reckless killing of tens of thousands of civilians, then you don't belong in our party" is far more divisive than, you have to try harder to stop the slaughter and find a better solution."

[JI7]

16. She wont even vote to condemn sexual violence

so stop with this bs .

[Beastly Boy]

22. Her position is not complicated at all.

My question is, what would a vote to withdraw commitment to Biden do other than weaken the prospects of ending all violence in this conflict? And why pursue it despite the anticipated reply to my rhetorical question?

[TexasDem69]

28. Except there isn't any "reckless killing"

Other that Hamas engaged in, killing every civilian it came across on 10/7. Why doesn’t Tlaib call for Hamas’ immediate surrender and release of all hostages (or their bodies)? That would stop the violence, yet she continues her implicit support for a terrorist organization responsible for the stabbing, burning, shooting and rape of hundreds of civilians.

I really hope she loses her seat to a Democrat who is actually a Democrat.

[Tickle]

53. Bingo, I couldn't agree with you

more.

[Cha]

64. Tahnk You.. Something those supporting Tlaib's Vote Suppressing PJB Don't

Get.

[Historic NY]

24. She might just find herself outside looking in .

if she has to have a primary to draw down her funds.

[NickB79]

20. She definitely has issues

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/tlaib-refuses-apologize-blaming-israel-gaza-hospital-blast/story?id=104085727

Democratic Rep. Rashida Tlaib, of Michigan, refused to apologize Wednesday for saying a day earlier that Israel is to blame for the hospital explosion that day in Gaza, despite evidence from the U.S. defense department that the blast was likely caused by an errant projectile from Palestinian Islamic Jihad.

A number officials in the US and around the world blasted Israel for what they believed was an attack on a civilian facility that left hundreds dead. But claims and evidence began to suggest that the Gaza hospital blast was likely caused by a Palestinian Islamic Jihad rocket that fell short of its target, two U.S. officials told ABC News. Still, what has happened has not conclusively been determined.

[Cha]

65. Yeah... I'm not seeing A Good Fath in Facts there.

[Cha]

60. That's NOT PRes Biden's Fault... she Needs to Talk

to Fucking HAAS and Condemn them!

The Butchers Started this Fucking WAR.

She's Messing with our Democracy.. yeah that will help having Fucking TSF in again .

[nakocal]

78. Put the republicans in charge and the 30,000

jumps to 300,000

[mzmolly]

126. Biden isn't running Israel

though.

[Basic LA]

4. Annihilation of her family/ethnicity/heritage.

The butchered civilians--mostly starving women & children at this point--are her kinfolk. She seeks leverage thru democratic principles in the primaries. Big issues, these, for humanity in general.

[Mossfern]

18. And .....

October 7th?
Why does she not call for pressure on Hamas to release the hostages and surrender?
Why is the mess in the Middle East Biden's fault?
She surely knows that if the US withholds funding for Israel, it will not further the Palestinian cause.

[RandomNumbers]

19. Americans of German heritage fought in WW II.

To my knowledge they were relegated to the Pacific theatre. But it was all one big war. Those German-Americans that fought, at least, did not sit on the sidelines calling for cease-fire with Germany and decrying only the alleged "atrocities" of the Allies. They did not cry about the U.S. "annihilating their heritage".

Why is she calling for cease-fire, instead of surrender by Hamas and submission of the murderers and rapists to criminal court? Oh wait, as JI7 already pointed out, she refuses to denounce the rapists. So I guess she is okay with Hamas tactics against Jewish civilians?

[Historic NY]

25. Actually many more German Americans fought in the European theater.

Germans have been in this country since the 18th century.

[RandomNumbers]

31. Okay, it might have been related to # of generations, OR

maybe the story I heard from a relative when I was a child, was just fiction, or I mis-remembered. I was told that someone who had served was sent to Iwo Jima because they didn't deploy German-Americans to Europe.

But given your handle, I'll certainly cede the point. I'll admit I just took it on faith because it seems like something that would have happened. Considering they put Japanese-Americans in internment camps.

[Historic NY]

36. It was 'Nisei' Japanese Americans that were sent to Europe rather than Pacific

the 100th Infantry Battalion , 442 Regimental Combat team was the highest decorated Army unit in US history. Go for Broke.

[Hekate]

41. One of those Nisei vets was my Hawai'i Senator: Daniel K. Inouye, who left an arm in Italy

Go For Broke, indeed

[Tickle]

58. Wow RandomNumberd, I never

looked at it through that lens. You are so right 👍

[Zeitghost]

35. She voted "Present"

On a Democratic bill to condemn the weaponization of sexual violence.

So let's stop pretending this is about anything other than hating Jews.

[Cha]

68. Yeah... Too hard to Vote Against Sexual Violence and

she wants people to Not vote For Pres Biden.

[Chellee]

132. Yes. Thank you!

I came here to say that. Thank you for saying it.

[JustAnotherGen]

8. Another thread about this yesterday

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=18696108

My comments stand - but adding:

"She hates Jews more than she loves America."

Hat tip to Arazi for posting that - because it puts it where only the goats can get it - at the root.

[BootinUp]

12. thank you.

[comradebillyboy]

17. 100% correct

[Arazi]

32. Yup

[BannonsLiver]

37. Absolutely true

Never had a doubt either.

[Cha]

70. Yes she does.

[Mountainguy]

14. She has been more critical of Democrats

Than she has of Hamas.

[JI7]

15. she voted against condemning Hamas use of sexual violence

[Cha]

72. Exponentially More since I haven't seen any

thing that's critical of HAMAS.

[agingdem]

21. Someone should "inform" Tlaib

Biden is not the shadow president of Israel...Biden can advise, send Blinken to negotiate, apply pressure, place restrictions on aid but that's the extent of his reach...Israel will do what it must to assure it's existence and that's a fact..

as for Tlaib (censured by 188 Democrats joining Republicans) ..she has spouted antisemitic/anti-Israel garbage for as long as she's been in congress so it's not surprising she would have no problem trashing/undermining Biden...and as an aside...Biden's aides have met with, and will continue to meet with, Arab/Muslim leaders in Michigan...

Regardless of how she chooses to interpret "from the river to the sea", she is calling for the eradication of Israeli Jews...I'm sorry she lost family in the ongoing conflict, but my parents were Holocaust survivors (Auschwitz), their entire families tortured, gassed, incinerated (6 million Jews dead)...and yet I am proud Germany stands with Israel...

[betsuni]

38. Yes, Biden's aides met with and will continue to meet with them, yet she says they

"feel completely neglected, just unseen by our government."

[Cha]

73. She's not acting in Good Fatth.. Ignoring the Reality.

[DinahMoeHum]

27. Rashida is putting her own neck. . .

. . .and the necks of the Arab/Muslim populations in a noose if she proposes either not voting for Biden, or not even voting at all.

Does she and the others really think Trump and the GOP have their best interests at heart?

Does she and the others not understand that Trump and the GOP refuse to recognize the humanity or even the existence of the Arab/Muslim communities?

Very short-sighted views on her part.

[bif]

29. I got a bunch or random texts yesterday

telling me to vote "undecided" in the Michigan primary.

[Cha]

75. Damn...wonder who they were from ?

[BootinUp]

40. Hellsite is a popular word for it.

I guess people do not want to lose the following/follower connections they have there. I wish it were not the case.

In addition to anti-semitism
I just came across this. Another popular account wiped from existence for criticizing Musk or his businesses.

[Hekate]

42. She ran as a Democrat, and Democrats supported her. I thought she just had a steep learning curve...

But this California Democrat is done with Ms Tlaib.

There’s an old sarcastic saying: “With friends like these, who needs enemies? “

[sheshe2]

82. I was done with her after booing HRC on stage.

Rashida Tlaib walks back boos aimed at Hillary Clinton at event for Sanders' campaign
She said she allowed her "disappointment" with Clinton to get the best of her.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/rashida-tlaib-walks-back-boos-aimed-hillary-clinton/story?id=68689944

[Hekate]

87. I must have forgotten that, or buried it under "steep learning curve." Well, I'm done...

If she can’t distinguish friend from enemy by now, she really is a fool. Trump already tried to expel or repel every Muslim from the US, and this time around he is swearing to build immense concentration camps.

[sheshe2]

91. You are right, Hekate.

He said he would be a dictator on day one and I believe him. I watched Navalny on CNN last night...a glimpse of our future? I sincerely hope not.

[betsuni]

96. "No, we're going to boo. That's all right, the haters will shut up on Monday when we win."

[sheshe2]

108. We know how well that worked out.🤣

[Happy Hoosier]

43. Enabling the enemies of Democracy

I’m beyond disgusted.

[malaise]

51. Aren't enabling genocide and apartheid

anti-democratic?
Asking for a friend just to make things pellucidly clear

[tritsofme]

54. So now President Biden "enables" genocide and apartheid?

Wow…just disgusting. At least any semblance of a mask has been removed.

[Happy Hoosier]

74. Are you gonna tell me

Again that these assholes are freedom fighters and Mandela’s heirs?

They weaponized rape. My daughter is a rape survivor.

I can’t tell you how offensive I find your posts on this matter to be.

[Hekate]

88. Malaise, if you really mean this, let me make it pellucidly clear how disappointed I am in you

[malaise]

44. Maybe just maybe she's a little upset

re matters related to Palestinians.
That is all

[tritsofme]

46. Nah, she is just a Trump supporter, she has made that pellucidly clear.

[malaise]

48. Of course

Only some folks are allowed to defend folks from their own part of the planet.

[tritsofme]

50. Can't she do that without implicitly supporting Trump? Nothing justifies such stupidity.

[Cha]

85. NOTHING.

[RandomNumbers]

71. She is not defending her "folks" by supporting Trump.

And that is what she is doing by attacking Biden at this point.

She could do plenty of other things to draw attention to the tragedy and maybe actually help people. She doesn't have to condemn Biden for things out of his control, and especially when it appears the election will be very close.

Oh and it would be REALLY nice if she could find it within herself to condemn weaponized rape.

[Cha]

95. Rec.. Thank You.

[Cha]

94. It Depends HOW someone "Dissents".. Telling

Americans Not to Vote for a Democratically Elected President who is on the Front Lines Fighting World Fascism is Not One of them.

[Rebl2]

67. I wish

some reporter would ask her why she is a Trump supporter now.

[Zeitghost]

57. Sure...

She's so upset she can't condemn weaponized sexual violence against innocent women.

[malaise]

59. Maybe she's waiting for others to condemn genocide and apartheid

That is all
There is enough evil to go around

[sheshe2]

84. To make it pellucidly clear...

She voted "present" on sexual violence. She sure wasn't even a 'little' upset about what HAMAS did.

House passes resolution condemning Hamas sexual violence, with Tlaib voting present

Speakers, who received a graphic private briefing from Israeli law enforcement prior to the event on the violence Hamas committed, spoke out forcefully in support of the survivors and condemned efforts to deny Hamas’ atrocities.

“The evidence is — you can’t even speak about it: torture, genital mutilation, butchery, leaving women to die after they’ve been raped and tortured, to die in a ditch. All while you see the images of Hamas terrorists laughing and bragging about it,” Emhoff said.

“This happened, this happened to these women, and we have to shine a light on it,” he continued. “You cannot ignore the facts and the evidence when they’re right in your face… Anyone who fails to acknowledge it, anyone who does deny it must be called out.”

Emhoff also said that there had been “too much pain and loss on both sides of this conflict” but emphasized that “no matter what you’re saying or feeling, this happened” and “must be denounced and it must be condemned by everyone.” He said that acknowledging this pain is an “important first step” to peace.

https://jewishinsider.com/2024/02/hamas-sexual-violence-house-resolution-doug-emhoff-rashida-tlaib/

[Cha]

86. TY she.. Tlaib won't Condemn Gang Rape or HAMAS...

and she's telling Americans Not to Vote for President Biden.

Who would defend that shit.

[sheshe2]

89. She should be careful about what she wishes for.

I watched the Documentary of Navalny last night. It was well done, sad and frightening. Tfg would be our putin and no one would be safe. No one.

[Cha]

92. Exactly.. NO ONE WULD be safe WITH TSF/Putin IN CHARGE OF

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OUR White House.

What A HORROR Show

And, this is Why We are So UPSET With Anyone who isn't Behind Pres Biden.. much less telling others Not to Voted For him.

[Cha]

100. NO that's NOT "all.. She's so "upset" she's Telling others Not to Vote for our American

President who is our Safety Net Against World Wide Fascism and the Obliteration of Democracy?!

She needs to check herself.. It's Not Pres Biden's Fault that GD Fucking HAMAS ATTACKED Israeli And Started WAR.


Why won't she Condemn Hamas for Killing their Own People?!!

Hmmm?

[tritsofme]

45. It's pretty simple, she supports Trump.

[msfiddlestix]

52. That is just so effed in so many ways, but mostly I can't wrap my head around the stupidity of that campaign

so effin pointless and stupid.

[RandySF]

55. She doesn't care who is president.

Sometimes in American history you will come across a 'Democratic' politician who doesn't care who the POTUS is because their focus and power base are local. Rashida Tlaib is the latest one/

[brooklynite]

63. It also helps to be in an absolutely safe district where you don't have to worry about anyone opposing you....

Democratic or Republican.

[sheshe2]

106. I agree, RandyS.

If she were a member here...
and posted anti-democratic/anti-Biden crap like that and then urge Democrats not to vote for President Biden in the upcoming primary...she would be toast.

So why are some people supporting her comments? She may have a D after her name, yet no one should be allowed to urge people not to vote no matter what your party affiliation is. This is a critical election! We will not survive another trump term and gawd knows if we will have another Democratic election.

Please don't tell me, it's just a primary! It would add fuel to Trump/MAGA rhetoric if Biden's numbers are low. You can hear him now ..."Look at how much support Joe LOST!"

I agree with the OP, some of the comments, not so much.

Please stop.

[betsuni]

109. Excellent point!

[sheshe2]

111. Thank you.

[Cha]

113. Right.. no one Supports Dean Phillips Anti Pres

Biden Statements in the Primary.

Why does anyone support Tlaib's Vote Suppression Against Pres Biden in the Primary/!

[Oopsie Daisy]

119. I think I know why. Only, I'll play it safe and keep my observations to myself.

>> Why does anyone support Tlaib's Vote Suppression Against Pres Biden in the Primary/!
I think I know why. Only, I'll play it safe and keep my observations to myself.

[Oopsie Daisy]

116. Agreed! If someone posted a "blind quote" here using her words but without attributing them to her *

* well, it's hard for me to imagine a positive outcome for that poster.

But, okay ... she's a politician and she said something, so we must talk about it. We can't pretend that it wasn't said simply because the statement itself goes against DU's rules. And here's what I don't fully understand. Why is it that her anti-Biden sentiment and instructions are being celebrated here? What's going on with that?

This is dangerous. She's dangerous. Her disloyalty should NOT be supported or rewarded. In fact, I believe she should be punished and have all her committee and sub-committee assignments removed. We can do better than this. We don't need stealth (or blatantly open) saboteurs in our party. I'm ashamed for anyone who encourages and excuses this type of treacherous behavior. This is Sarandon-level and Nina-level shit!

[betsuni]

121. It's the belief Democrats must be pushed/pulled to the correct Left position by threats of withholding

support and votes. That attacks accusing Democrats of all sorts of horrible things hurt the party and help Republicans is ignored because they don't think there's much of a difference anyway so who cares.

[Oopsie Daisy]

123. Yes. This seems to be a belief that is rooted in intellectual weakness and an inability to persuade *

* voters or politicians without threats (even if the threats and actions harm themselves, their cause, and those who are most vulnerable.) It's the same type of "punishment politics" or "revenge politics" that Trump is so fond of. It shows a lack of maturity and a lack of sophistication. It's the equivalent of the first bankrupt Monopoly player having a temper tantrum and tossing the game board off the table while the game is still in play. "If I can't have my way, then NOBODY can play this stupid game!"

[betsuni]

128. And the all or nothing thing lets them enjoy being righteous martyrs when nothing, like a Trump win,

means terrible damage and suffering. Everything's Democrats' fault so their conscience is clean and shiny. THANKS, BIDEN!

[walkingman]

76. I think voting uncommitted in a Primary is nothing more than trying to

bring attention to an issue - in this case the carnage in Gaza. The Democratic nomination for POTUS will be Biden (unless something unforeseen were to happen) and I seriously doubt that this will carry over to the general election.

If I am wrong then this is insanity on the part of the Muslim community given the choice between xenophobic Trump and President Biden.

[lapucelle]

93. For some, the goal is to publicly reject and embarrass President Biden.

From the group organizing the 'vote uncommitted" campaign Listen to Michigan.

What is the history of voting uncommitted?

The Michigan Democratic presidential primary is an important venue to demonstrate a large rejection of President Biden’s backing and financing of the Israeli government’s war in Gaza. In 2008, Obama did not make the ballot in the Michigan primaries but his campaign mobilized young and Black voters to vote “uncommitted” as a symbolic (and real) rejection of Hillary Clinton. It embarrassed Clinton.

https://www.listentomichigan.com/faqs

================================

Listen to Michigan is sponsored by the dark money group Arab Americans for Progress. Listen to Michigan is seriously wrong on the actual facts concerning the Michigan primary in 2008.

Either the organization is irresponsibly spreading misinformation or it's engaged in a disinformation campaign.

Michigan 2008 Presidential Primary

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Michigan_Democratic_presidential_primary

=================================

And, of course, voting "uncommitted" does set up the possibility of divisive antics by potential "Never Biden" delegates chaos agents at our national convention.

What does an “uncommitted” vote mean for the Presidential Primary?

Each party ballot has a vote position for “uncommitted.” When a voter selects “uncommitted”, this indicates the voter is exercising a vote for that political party, but is not committed to any of the candidates listed on the ballot.

If enough voters cast “uncommitted” votes, the party may send delegates to the national nominating convention who are not committed to a specific candidate.

https://www.portagemi.gov/FAQ.aspx?QID=411

[betsuni]

102. Thank you!

[Oopsie Daisy]

117. Wrong. It will carry over. She's instructing others to shit on Biden *

* and to "own" that sentiment. Once her loyalists declare in the voting booth that they do not want Biden, then they will never change their minds. It's a cemented thought and emotion.

Her tactic is a way to stoke whatever misplaced anger they have, then validate their feelings and permanently seal it. This helps to solidify in each of their minds that they are "anti-Biden" and when the General Election Day rolls around, they'll still view themselves as being "anti-Biden."

She's planting the seeds for an entire swath of "Never Biden" voters.

In the end, even if they don't vote for Trump, the fact that they don't vote for Biden is STILL a benefit to Trump.

Her words and her actions BENEFIT TRUMP!!! There's just no other way to look at it.

[Raven123]

77. Just wondering if Tlaib ever called Biden to ask for an in person talk

I have not seen anything reported in the media on this. Don’t know if a meeting would have helped, but if she is relying on media reports for her information, she might be missing something.
Her intense support for Gazans is understandable, but it’s a head scratcher trying to figure out how denying Biden support is going to help them.

[tritsofme]

79. Supporting Gazans is one thing, refusing to condemn sexual violence and refusing to endorse Biden is just deplorable.

[Raven123]

80. Agreed.

No excuses. Just wishing people would talk with each other rather than having public arguments.

[JohnSJ]

83. I suspect that endorsement against Biden will actually help him.

[wolfie001]

103. Netanyahu should have resigned already

He left Israel unprepared. He was in charge. They need a new, more forward-looking leader.

[TexasDem69]

105. How is that relevant to Tlaib condoning Hamas' actions?

[Oopsie Daisy]

118. It isn't. Instead its... "SQUIRREL!" *

[wolfie001]

120. Because he's still there literally destroying everything in his path

When is this going to end? Two state solution now

[tritsofme]

122. Hamas is the government of Gaza right now, so let them run the "state"?

But that still doesn’t explain why Tlaib refuses to condemn sexual violence, or why she is urging voters to oppose President Biden.

[Oopsie Daisy]

124. Silence 🟰 approval?

[wolfie001]

131. Totally agree!

Hamas can and should be destroyed. But, some solution needs to be ironed out. I'd rather have Biden working on it.

[shenmue]

107. Shitting on the party who gave her all their support.

Keep in mind that Pres. Biden is the only President since Carter to support a two-state solution.

Also, Hamas started the war on Oct. 7.

[Cha]

110. Mahalo Shenmue..

:patrio:

[lapucelle]

114. Tlaib (like Netanyahu) is against a two state solution.

Michigan candidate backs 1-state solution, slashing military aid to Israel

https://www.timesofisrael.com/michigan-candidate-of-palestinian-heritage-rejects-2-state-solution/

J Street drops endorsement of Michigan candidate for backing one-state solution

https://www.timesofisrael.com/j-street-drops-endorsement-of-michigan-candidate-for-backing-one-state-solution/

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On a side note, both Bill Clinton and Barack Obama supported a two state solution. In President Clinton's case, he actually led negotiations whose goal was to lead to a two state solution.

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[comradebillyboy]

129. But it wasn't good enough for Yasser Arafat because

Israel would have still existed.

[lapucelle]

130. Indeed. It is galling to this day that he won the Nobel Peace Prize. N/T

[redqueen]

115. She's apparently not very popular in Detroit

I don't know if there's anyone running against her but I bet they'll win

[LeftInTX]

125. What? I think she is...She doesn't have a primary opponent as of yet and she got 70% of the vote in 2022.

Unless she has a primary opponent, she is staying.
Sounds like she doesn't even need to campaign. I know a few around here that don't bother with campaigning because their districts are very gerrymandered.

The current district is represented by Democrat Rashida Tlaib, who had previously represented the old 13th district. With a Cook Partisan Voting Index rating of D+23, it is one of the most Democratic districts in Michigan.[2]