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Nevilledog

(55,082 posts)
Tue Feb 20, 2024, 05:22 PM Feb 2024

Eisen: Aileen Cannon Might Actually Get Herself Kicked Off the Trump Classified Docs Case

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2024/02/aileen-cannon-trump-classified-disqualification.html

The recent news about possible Russian space nukes reminds us that we live in a very insecure world. That is why perhaps none of Donald Trump’s four criminal cases is more troubling than the federal prosecution brought by special counsel Jack Smith for mishandling classified documents. Unfortunately, the judge handling the case, Aileen Cannon—a last-minute appointment rushed through in the waning days of the Trump administration—has proved herself to be by far the worst of the jurists overseeing these momentous cases. Her decisions during the investigative phase of the case strayed wildly from precedent, leading to brutal reversals by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 11th Circuit. Now Smith appears to be preparing to ask that body to overturn at least one and possibly two of her decisions. In our view, while he is there on those other issues, he should also petition them to remove her from the case.

Why do we think Smith might be headed to the court of appeals? In part because he has already sought reconsideration for the latest of Cannon’s unlawful orders. This is a step that is warranted only in rare circumstances, including when a judge has made a “clear error” that led to “manifest injustice.” In this instance, at Trump’s behest, Cannon has decided to unseal the identities of two dozen potential witnesses, along with sensitive information they provided to the government. The “clear error” Smith identifies is striking: He alleges that Cannon applied the wrong legal standard in making this decision, requiring him to make a far more stringent showing than should be needed to protect these names. In his motion for reconsideration, Smith shows that the case law—including the very cases Cannon herself cited in her order—does not establish the unreasonable hurdles she wants him to clear.

In his motion for reconsideration, Smith also argues that Cannon minimizes the risk of real-world harm and witness intimidation these individuals would face. He notes that there is a “well-documented pattern in which judges, agents, prosecutors, and witnesses involved in cases involving Trump have been subject to threats, harassment, and intimidation.” Cannon’s cavalier attitude is dangerous for the potential witnesses whose identities could be revealed. As Smith asserts in his brief, “a court’s duty is to prevent harms to the witnesses or the judicial process ‘at their inception.’ ” Cannon appears willing to abdicate that duty.

In response to Smith’s reconsideration motion, Cannon ordered Trump to respond by Friday. That will set up a dramatic ruling by Cannon: Either she reverses her position—which would be an admission that she was fundamentally mistaken about the law in a way that caused “manifest injustice”—or she leaves her ruling in place, putting individuals in jeopardy and twisting the law to help Trump. At that point, Smith may have enough ammunition to seek her reassignment from the 11th Circuit.

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Eisen: Aileen Cannon Might Actually Get Herself Kicked Off the Trump Classified Docs Case (Original Post) Nevilledog Feb 2024 OP
The time has passed for this to stop. Every ruling she makes is a sorry joke. Boomerproud Feb 2024 #1
Yours and mine both senseandsensibility Feb 2024 #2
She is nothing but a MAGAt hack maxrandb Feb 2024 #3
You left off a few words: "She is nothing but a MAGAt hack who doesn't know enough law to be on the fed bench" Wonder Why Feb 2024 #20
... trusty elf Feb 2024 #21
What a great meme! SergeStorms Feb 2024 #27
I may never eat COL Mustard Feb 2024 #29
👍 MiHale Feb 2024 #36
The steak is hilarious! vapor2 Feb 2024 #30
And so is the burned toast on each upper corner! calimary Feb 2024 #33
What are the odds that the 11th would intervene? limbicnuminousity Feb 2024 #4
Oh, please, please, please, please, please, please, please! ShazzieB Feb 2024 #5
So who kicks a judge off a case? Probatim Feb 2024 #6
The 11th circuit court of appeals... getagrip_already Feb 2024 #9
Thanks - and that procedure starts with a request from either counsel and their acceptance to review? Probatim Feb 2024 #13
Smith has to file a motion for recusal... getagrip_already Feb 2024 #15
traitortrump's loose Cannon is a threat to the witnesses and the country. Hermit-The-Prog Feb 2024 #7
Yes... that's the bottom. the Elephant in the room. Cha Feb 2024 #25
The Meidas Touch has been covering this as well barbtries Feb 2024 #8
Never going to happen. Smith won't even ask for it to happen. onenote Feb 2024 #10
Well, smith does need garlands approval first.. getagrip_already Feb 2024 #17
It's not a case of not having the balls. It's a case of not wasting time on a losing motion. onenote Feb 2024 #22
Well, that is an opinion... getagrip_already Feb 2024 #28
Yep. I won't be holding my breath waiting for this to happen. progressoid Feb 2024 #31
She'd probably be relieved to get tossed. OAITW r.2.0 Feb 2024 #11
That sounds possible, Mr.Bill Feb 2024 #12
She's probably afraid leftieNanner Feb 2024 #14
Yep, MUCH better for HER to be tossed than recuse oldsoftie Feb 2024 #39
Surely you jest! dchill Feb 2024 #19
She is probably on his short list for Give Peace A Chance Feb 2024 #40
This message was self-deleted by its author JustABozoOnThisBus Feb 2024 #35
Unfuckingbelievable spanone Feb 2024 #16
In Jack I Trust. NoMoreRepugs Feb 2024 #18
She never should have been reassigned after trying to scuttle the case w the Special Master assignment in the beginning AdamGG Feb 2024 #23
Don't tease us, Eisen & Kolb! TY! Cha Feb 2024 #24
She's not fit to judge.... SergeStorms Feb 2024 #26
"It is almost as if she is intentionally running interference for the former president." BWdem4life Feb 2024 #32
Angling for a Supreme Court appointment maybe? calimary Feb 2024 #34
It is absolutely ridiculous that Reality Winner could be jailed so promptly Goodheart Feb 2024 #37
Put Cannon back in traffic court RocRizzo55 Feb 2024 #38
Won't happen, it would look political and Smith's boss won't have any of that. republianmushroom Feb 2024 #41
Damage is already done. Witnesses will be afraid to come forward. MadameButterfly Feb 2024 #42
Please make it so that Cannon is removed from this case. I'm former US Air Force member and was also a iluvtennis Feb 2024 #43

Boomerproud

(9,292 posts)
1. The time has passed for this to stop. Every ruling she makes is a sorry joke.
Tue Feb 20, 2024, 05:38 PM
Feb 2024

Will be watching closely. I hope the media does their job as well, but my belief system has taken a beating in recent years.

Wonder Why

(7,029 posts)
20. You left off a few words: "She is nothing but a MAGAt hack who doesn't know enough law to be on the fed bench"
Tue Feb 20, 2024, 07:18 PM
Feb 2024

SergeStorms

(20,591 posts)
27. What a great meme!
Tue Feb 20, 2024, 08:24 PM
Feb 2024

It's the first time I've seen it.

Trump, the "meat head", complete with Mike Pence's fly. Cannon with her puppet mouth and Trump tiara. 🤣

That's a good one, bone spurs and all.

limbicnuminousity

(1,416 posts)
4. What are the odds that the 11th would intervene?
Tue Feb 20, 2024, 05:47 PM
Feb 2024

At least it isn't the 5th. And if the 11th backs Cannon does that then mean the issue can be pursued to the SC?

ShazzieB

(22,591 posts)
5. Oh, please, please, please, please, please, please, please!
Tue Feb 20, 2024, 05:52 PM
Feb 2024

Getting her kicked off that case would be EXCELLENT news!

Please, please, please, please, please, please...

Probatim

(3,286 posts)
6. So who kicks a judge off a case?
Tue Feb 20, 2024, 05:53 PM
Feb 2024

Am I dreaming of this or does she have a manager who says her work isn't up to snuff?

getagrip_already

(17,802 posts)
9. The 11th circuit court of appeals...
Tue Feb 20, 2024, 06:02 PM
Feb 2024

Her boss in affect.

They have the power, but I believe they have only removed one judge from a case in their history.

Still, she already has been reversed twice by them.

Probatim

(3,286 posts)
13. Thanks - and that procedure starts with a request from either counsel and their acceptance to review?
Tue Feb 20, 2024, 06:26 PM
Feb 2024

Non-lawyer whose only experience is several rounds of jury duty and watching the judge act like a king in his court.

getagrip_already

(17,802 posts)
15. Smith has to file a motion for recusal...
Tue Feb 20, 2024, 06:34 PM
Feb 2024

But to do that, he needs a reason to file an appeal.

So far, Canon hasn't really made any written orders he could appeal except the one he asked her to reconsider.

Almost all of her orders have been brief minute orders; scheduling orders with little substance. Nothing he could really appeal with a hey, and please remove her note.

So if she refuses to reverse the order exposing sources, then he might use that. Or if she screws up a cipa issue, or.... she has to start making rulings sooner or later.

barbtries

(31,308 posts)
8. The Meidas Touch has been covering this as well
Tue Feb 20, 2024, 05:57 PM
Feb 2024

and their conclusions are the same. all we can do now is wait and see. she'll probably drag it out too. such a tool.

getagrip_already

(17,802 posts)
17. Well, smith does need garlands approval first..
Tue Feb 20, 2024, 06:37 PM
Feb 2024

What do you think the chances are that garland would approve his request to do that?

Yeah, about zero. He doesn't have the legal balls.

onenote

(46,143 posts)
22. It's not a case of not having the balls. It's a case of not wasting time on a losing motion.
Tue Feb 20, 2024, 07:42 PM
Feb 2024

It's being smart, not emotional.

OAITW r.2.0

(32,154 posts)
11. She'd probably be relieved to get tossed.
Tue Feb 20, 2024, 06:13 PM
Feb 2024

She's a lightweight who can't deal with the pressure of a high stakes trial, like this.

Response to OAITW r.2.0 (Reply #11)

AdamGG

(1,882 posts)
23. She never should have been reassigned after trying to scuttle the case w the Special Master assignment in the beginning
Tue Feb 20, 2024, 07:46 PM
Feb 2024

Cannon's initial attempt to insert a "special master" into the case to disrupt it was overturned in strong terms by the appeals court. When the prosecution became active again after that, this case should never have gone back to her. She had already demonstrated strong bias and bad judgment.

I guess the only reason Jack Smith hasn't yet tried to have her recused is because he doesn't feel that the people making the call would decide in his favor and if he's stuck with Cannon, it would just make her even more antagonistic. But, realistically, she couldn't get any worse anyway.

It would be nice to see some investigative journalists look at Cannon's background. It's hard to believe she hasn't had questions of bad judgment and corruption in her life before now.

SergeStorms

(20,591 posts)
26. She's not fit to judge....
Tue Feb 20, 2024, 08:17 PM
Feb 2024

a pie eating contest, let alone a trial involving the country's most secret documents and the traitorous piece of garbage who, at best, mishandled and left them unsecured, and at worst transferred or sold them to enemy countries.
Not to mention her overt loyalty and deference to the person who appointed her to her lofty position.
Send her back to traffic court where she belongs.

BWdem4life

(3,003 posts)
32. "It is almost as if she is intentionally running interference for the former president."
Wed Feb 21, 2024, 05:02 AM
Feb 2024

Almost as if?

calimary

(90,021 posts)
34. Angling for a Supreme Court appointment maybe?
Wed Feb 21, 2024, 06:03 AM
Feb 2024

If her hero manages to get back into the White House, that is.

 

Goodheart

(5,760 posts)
37. It is absolutely ridiculous that Reality Winner could be jailed so promptly
Wed Feb 21, 2024, 09:04 AM
Feb 2024

and that this trump case has gone on forever.

This is justice?

republianmushroom

(22,326 posts)
41. Won't happen, it would look political and Smith's boss won't have any of that.
Wed Feb 21, 2024, 04:36 PM
Feb 2024

Smiths boss is a judge and she is a judge, she will be protected.

MadameButterfly

(4,039 posts)
42. Damage is already done. Witnesses will be afraid to come forward.
Wed Feb 21, 2024, 04:51 PM
Feb 2024

Who knows the damage already from these documents. Come on, time to get a real judge.

iluvtennis

(21,497 posts)
43. Please make it so that Cannon is removed from this case. I'm former US Air Force member and was also a
Wed Feb 21, 2024, 05:25 PM
Feb 2024

military defense contractor with Top Secret/special 3-letter access and it burns my butt that this incompetent judge is putting our national security at risk.

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