Liz Cheney was wrong

[gab13by13]

There is no Putin wing of the Republican Party. The Reagan Republicans have either converted or quit. The entire Republican Party is the Putin party.

[50 Shades Of Blue]

1. Yep. She's the outlier.

[Irish_Dem]

3. I wonder if she realizes her party no longer exists.

It is gone.

[calimary]

10. I just checked. She's still anti-choice.

Frankly, I don't need to dig any deeper. That, alone, is enough to deep-six even the most remote chance that I might ever consider supporting her.

[Mr.Bill]

15. She literally accuses

"Democrats all over the country" of trying to pass laws that would legalize killing babies after they are born. She is absolutely toxic.

[calimary]

17. A lot of 'em go to that idiotic extreme - babies aborted after birth.

Um... excuse me? That is - and continues to be - one of the stupidest, most illogical, most fraudulent, and most deceitful arguments I think I've ever heard.

[WA-03 Democrat]

20. She sucks

just not as much as Trump!

[Irish_Dem]

23. Yes these are people without a party now.

I don't see how they can be welcomed into our party because our values are so far apart.

[quakerboy]

16. Shes not even that

Shes the rear guard.

Trying to build a fallback position for Republicans to retreat to if following trump begins to cost them too much.

Her position is not any better for Americans than Trumps

[Irish_Dem]

2. Yep. The GOP is a crime syndicate run by Trump and Putin.

[forgotmylogin]

19. "Trump Wants the USA to be More Like Russia"

There's the top level talking point.

That's why Tucker Carlson is doing a travelogue to convince people 'we're not so different' except Russia has clean artistic subway stations and wonderful bread in a grocery store with locking carts "safe from homeless people!"

Russians all agree it's great too - otherwise they'll get shipped to the arctic circle. TFG wants that power so bad.

Trump should be glad we don't have "debtor's prison" or else he'd be in some real danger.

[Irish_Dem]

24. Yes it's almost as if Putin's goal is to make the US a Russian colony.

Putin wishes for the rest of the world to be autocratic. With him in control.

[TwilightZone]

4. Nope.

The party as a whole isn't made up solely of its current representation in Congress or Trump and his sycophants. Voters on the right overwhelmingly support Ukraine over Russia. Per an Economist poll, only 5% of Republicans support Russia over Ukraine, for example.

Link: https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/aa58ig9d3b/econTabReport.pdf

90% of all Republicans, including Trump supporters, believe that Putin is responsible for the war.

The majority of non-Trump Republicans (about 53% of the whole) support continued aid to Ukraine in the war, both financial and military.

40% of Trump Republicans support continued military aid to Ukraine, while 33% support continued financial assistance.

https://globalaffairs.org/research/public-opinion-survey/majority-non-trump-republicans-support-continued-aid-ukraine

A good summary of some of the 5%: https://accountability.gop/ukraine-quotes/

If you'd asserted that the GOP caucuses in Congress were all pro-Putin (as opposed to the entire party), the assertion still fails when presented with evidence to the contrary. A couple of examples:

A bill to expand sanctions on Russia and Belarus passed the House with almost unanimous support, including 202 Republicans:

https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/7066/related-bills

A later version became law: https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/5512

How does that become law with near unanimous support if the Rs are all pro-Putin? Wouldn't they be under orders to kill the bill?

A bill to sanction Putin's enablers in relation to the invasion of Ukraine was introduced by two Republicans:

https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/7163/cosponsors

Additionally, many of the current and former Republicans who oppose Trump's 2024 run are probably unlikely to be pro-Putin, though support of Trump and support of Putin are two very different things, the claims to the contrary notwithstanding.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Republicans_who_oppose_the_Donald_Trump_2024_presidential_campaign

[Silent3]

5. The party is what the party does, what it's voters enable it to do

The Republican party is now subservient to Putin. Republican rank-and-file voters, no matter what they say on surveys, are going to keep voting for Trump/Putin enablers. They show no signs of being willing to punish Trump/Putin enablers for their behavior at the voting booth.

[TwilightZone]

6. Thanks for not reading my post.

If the party is entirely pro-Putin, how does a bill to expand Russian and Belarussian sanctions pass with almost unanimous support?

If all Republicans are pro-Putin, why did two Republicans introduce a bill to crack down on Putin's enablers?

Why are 95% of them supporting Ukraine over Russia in the war?

Just because people vote for Trump doesn't make them all pro-Putin. The assertion is laughable.

[Silent3]

8. I read your post, I'm just saying end results are what matter

The strongest support for Ukraine and resistance to Russia is in the Senate, where members have to win state-wide elections.

The House Republicans are much more supported by voters who, regardless of how they feel about Ukraine and Russia, care way more about owning the libs and guns and forced birth.

The whole party, even those Senators who are, for the moment, standing up for Ukraine, are working very hard to get Trump re-elected, and to put Trump in a position where he'll tear down NATO, much to Putin's delight. They don't care enough about Ukraine to try to stop that.

[TwilightZone]

9. I don't see how any of that proves that all Republicans are pro-Putin.

That's the assertion made in the OP and to which I'm objecting, because it's nonsense.

We rely much too heavily on blanket statements, and some of them are laughably wrong, yet we repeat them ad infinitum, even in the face of incontrovertible evidence to the contrary. People get so invested in the conclusions they made ahead of time that nothing changes.

All Republicans are pro-Putin.

95% of them support Ukraine over Russia and 90% of them blame Putin for the war.

Like I said, all Republicans are pro-Putin.

Seems kind of silly, but that's just me. It's no wonder we often can't figure out why all Democrats aren't the same, either.

[TheKentuckian]

14. I'll buy this just as soon as the votes back up the sentiment expressed

A vote for Agolf Shittler is a vote for Putin.

A vote for a Putin stooge is a vote for Putin.

Fuck their feelings.

[louis-t]

26. I think it's more than 5%, but they have the biggest mouths

whatever percent it is.

[republianmushroom]

7. Sure does look like it.

[PatrickforB]

11. Yeah, I tend to agree with you. Cheney's policy positions are completely odious.

She is across between a big-oil American Empire neoconservative, with a big dose of neoliberal 'deregulate, privatize and gut the New deal' ideology.

While I concede she is not a traitor to this republic, she is extreme right in her own way.

I've been thinking some about this. Trump is...well, we all know what he is and who he is. I won't belabor it.

But the good that seems to be coming out of all of this is that we are, as Rachel Maddow has repeatedly pointed out, being forced to use democratic means to bring down a resurgence of American Nazism. People seem to be waking up.

When I think of Cheney, I cannot help but remember the scene in the HBO drama Vice, where Dick Cheney asked Donald Rumsfeld, "What do we stand for? What do we believe in?"

Remember? Rumsfeld merely laughed, shook his head, went into his office and closed the door.

Republicans lost their moral compass a long, long time ago - in the days of McCarthy and Tricky Dick, and have only gotten worse since. But the real enemy is Wall Street and the libertarian billionaires. Make no mistake - their greed has nearly destroyed the planet.

[surfered]

12. It seems to me...

…that, as of this date, most Republican office holders are publicly subservient to Trump and when the chips are down, will bend to his will.

[swong19104]

13. I think this election year, 2024

will be the defining moment when we see whether the GOP can (sort of) get back to its roots, or they go all Nazi. We need a complete smash down and win the House and Senate with significant numbers, along with retaining the White House.

Let's go! Go! Go!

[BootinUp]

18. You've been pushing this line and its silly.

We just saw the Senate vote for the Aid package, maybe you missed it, but there were a significant number of GOP votes in favor. And according to all reports there is a similar percentage of them in the House that will vote for it given the opportunity. Leader Jeffries says there are 300 votes for it.

And there are a significant faction of pukes that want Haley not Trump.

This article is worth a read to get some facts.
https://news.yahoo.com/speaker-johnson-faces-critical-decision-205829074.html?.tsrc=daily_mail&uh_test=0_00

[Earth-shine]

21. A lot of those repub politicians would really like to step away from the edge.

But they can't, because Trump threatens to throw them off the cliff.

Most of them, most men (myself included), do not have courage like Liz Cheney. (If only she had good policies.)

[TeamProg]

22. Moscow Mitch et al. Pretty much! nt

[TigressDem]

25. The REICH Wing has taken control, but some are fighting back, like Liz and the Lincoln Group.

Yes most of the wing is infected, but you don't blame a cancer victim and this is still about what choices people are making about it.

There are those who seek to radiate and expose the disease and purge it from the party. They may not succeed. But let them speak their truth.

The party was taken from them by Oligarchs who bought Putin and tRUMP.

Those who continue to fight against this validate the fact that the takeover was illegitimate and give US ALL more reason to put it down and break it apart so those left can rebuild or build a new party.