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struggle4progress

(126,055 posts)
Wed Feb 21, 2024, 02:02 PM Feb 2024

Jim Jordan in deep trouble

By Ewan Palmer

Ohio congressman Jim Jordan could face major repercussions over the Republican attempt to impeach Joe Biden after a former FBI informant charged with making false bribery claims against the president was accused of using Russian intelligence, legal experts suggest.

Alexander Smirnov, 43, is accused of making a false statement to the FBI and creating a false and fictitious record in relation to claims that the president and his son, Hunter Biden, were paid $5 million each in bribes from Ukrainian energy company, Burisma.

In court filings on Tuesday, the Department of Justice said that Smirnov admitted during interviews that he had met with "officials associated with Russian intelligence" who were "involved in passing a story" about Hunter Biden.

The highly disputed claims that Biden financially benefited from his son's foreign business dealings while he was vice president, including accusations of taking bribes, have been cited by House Judiciary Committee Chairman Jordan and other Republican figures in their impeachment proceedings ...

https://www.newsweek.com/jim-jordan-joe-biden-impeachment-bribery-russia-1871889

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Jim Jordan in deep trouble (Original Post) struggle4progress Feb 2024 OP
I'd love to see AG Garland announce an investigation into members of Congress MontanaMama Feb 2024 #1
I'm sure Garland will get right on it. Irish_Dem Feb 2024 #3
He won't, nor should he... brooklynite Feb 2024 #39
It's quite reasonable to expect an investigation. MontanaMama Feb 2024 #58
Yeh, dream on NoRethugFriends Feb 2024 #9
Maybe after Jack Smith is done with Drumpf... Kid Berwyn Feb 2024 #14
By the time that happens, the guilty Repukes would have all "retired" FakeNoose Feb 2024 #28
... or fallen out of windows DBoon Feb 2024 #55
if only. Ain't happening under this AG Evolve Dammit Feb 2024 #37
Jack will be spending the next five years trying to clean off the stench. He may have to get a skin transplant to do so. Wonder Why Feb 2024 #41
If congresspersons were more than just willing dupes, then someone out there knows about it wiggs Feb 2024 #31
He'd better appoint a Republican Special Counsel again Diraven Feb 2024 #43
If only /nt bucolic_frolic Feb 2024 #2
Again? Prairie Gates Feb 2024 #4
He would need to do something much more serious... Norbert Feb 2024 #7
it's like this all the time lapfog_1 Feb 2024 #27
I expect tthat many of them will be going down malaise Feb 2024 #5
Love your optimism malaise. leftieNanner Feb 2024 #6
Jim Jordan is still at it................................. Lovie777 Feb 2024 #8
No he's not. Just another overly dramatic headline. progressoid Feb 2024 #10
Yeah; it would be embarrassing for him, if he were capable of feeling shame muriel_volestrangler Feb 2024 #11
New District for Jim. True Blue American Feb 2024 #23
That was new in 2022, so I'm not sure what you're saying muriel_volestrangler Feb 2024 #24
+100 Duppers Feb 2024 #22
Garland will arrest the traitors any minute from now. Emile Feb 2024 #12
I snorted a laugh at that one. Layzeebeaver Feb 2024 #45
Thank you Goddess! no_hypocrisy Feb 2024 #13
Gym has a long history of ignoring things. twodogsbarking Feb 2024 #15
Nah. The only real damage here is to Jim's reputation stopdiggin Feb 2024 #16
By who? JohnSJ Feb 2024 #17
Consider giving Smirnov immunity Mr.Bill Feb 2024 #18
This! onecaliberal Feb 2024 #20
What consequences? They will hide behind the speech and debate clause and blame the FBI. Bev54 Feb 2024 #19
If Gym is ever held accountable let me know SouthernDem4ever Feb 2024 #21
Believe when see.... nt AKwannabe Feb 2024 #25
Everyone is always in "deep trouble" or "finished" or whatever. BlueTsunami2018 Feb 2024 #26
Frustrating as all-get-out, isn't it! calimary Feb 2024 #29
Damn straight! Evolve Dammit Feb 2024 #38
I don't see the part where he's in trouble jcgoldie Feb 2024 #30
I don't see that either creeksneakers2 Feb 2024 #33
He wasn't duped, he knew the evidence was phonied up. He's a collaborator. nt eppur_se_muova Feb 2024 #46
I agree but it isn't like he doesn't have a very famous history of feigning ignorance jcgoldie Feb 2024 #53
The Catch-22 is that to clean up the mess we need an impartial DoJ and FBI... pecosbob Feb 2024 #32
Speechin' and debatin'. dchill Feb 2024 #34
If only...they should be in trouble but never are! PortTack Feb 2024 #35
Traitors should resign and take their punishment here. Bluethroughu Feb 2024 #36
Arrest Gym HandmaidsTaleUntold Feb 2024 #40
Jacket off, Gym Seinan Sensei Feb 2024 #42
Is this Smirnov the same guy who 'won' $9K worth of Trump Sneakers ?? Captain Zero Feb 2024 #44
The only way any of them will ever be held accountable ecstatic Feb 2024 #47
Fucking better be... 2naSalit Feb 2024 #48
K&R spanone Feb 2024 #49
Couldn't happen to a more slimy, smelly Gym Bag. ProudMNDemocrat Feb 2024 #50
I don't see the problem here. With Republicans, the truth is what you want it to be. They wanted Biden Chainfire Feb 2024 #51
Follow the MONEY DiverDave Feb 2024 #52
Don't believe he's in trouble JustAnotherGen Feb 2024 #54
Jordan's investigation is in deep trouble. He isn't in trouble unless it can be proven that he knew about the Martin68 Feb 2024 #56
I was confused NJCher Feb 2024 #57

MontanaMama

(24,716 posts)
1. I'd love to see AG Garland announce an investigation into members of Congress
Wed Feb 21, 2024, 02:03 PM
Feb 2024

involved in this scam. Not holding my breath however.

 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
39. He won't, nor should he...
Wed Feb 21, 2024, 09:12 PM
Feb 2024

It's not a crime to lie, nor can anything said in Congress be actionable (see "speech and debate clause&quot .

The fact that you "know" they were working with Russia doesn't make it admissible in Court.

MontanaMama

(24,716 posts)
58. It's quite reasonable to expect an investigation.
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 10:41 AM
Feb 2024

into Jordan and Comer (to start) to find out if they were knowing or unknowing Russian assets in an effort to impeach a sitting President.

Kid Berwyn

(24,246 posts)
14. Maybe after Jack Smith is done with Drumpf...
Wed Feb 21, 2024, 02:42 PM
Feb 2024

...He can investigate, indict and round up all the co-conspirators in Congress, the Courts and the Executive.

Come to think of it, Smith may need to hire more prosecutors.

FakeNoose

(41,414 posts)
28. By the time that happens, the guilty Repukes would have all "retired"
Wed Feb 21, 2024, 04:22 PM
Feb 2024

... or slithered away.

As much as I admire Jack Smith, I'm aware that he doesn't get to decide on the next investigation target.

Wonder Why

(6,909 posts)
41. Jack will be spending the next five years trying to clean off the stench. He may have to get a skin transplant to do so.
Wed Feb 21, 2024, 09:34 PM
Feb 2024

wiggs

(8,788 posts)
31. If congresspersons were more than just willing dupes, then someone out there knows about it
Wed Feb 21, 2024, 05:02 PM
Feb 2024

You can't meet with Russian agents without all kinds of US and foreign intelligence services knowing about it. Perhaps these gop cultists are owned lock/stock/barrel by those complicit operatives.

Or I prefer to think the DOJ or the IC already knows and are waiting to go up and down the corrupt chain and FINALLY uncover the depths of TFGs foreign collusion.

Diraven

(1,883 posts)
43. He'd better appoint a Republican Special Counsel again
Thu Feb 22, 2024, 12:05 AM
Feb 2024

Otherwise it will look political...🙄

Norbert

(7,739 posts)
7. He would need to do something much more serious...
Wed Feb 21, 2024, 02:11 PM
Feb 2024

like going dutch with a suspected left leaning attorney, or worse yet, wearing a tan suit.

malaise

(295,638 posts)
5. I expect tthat many of them will be going down
Wed Feb 21, 2024, 02:06 PM
Feb 2024

for the entire failed coup and associated happenings.
Get thee to the greatest page

Lovie777

(22,857 posts)
8. Jim Jordan is still at it.................................
Wed Feb 21, 2024, 02:12 PM
Feb 2024

it's like nothing computes in their tiny brains.

progressoid

(53,123 posts)
10. No he's not. Just another overly dramatic headline.
Wed Feb 21, 2024, 02:14 PM
Feb 2024

Last edited Wed Feb 21, 2024, 04:43 PM - Edit history (1)

A number of legal experts and Democratic figures have now suggested Jordan and other Republicans could face consequences if it is found Russian intelligence was the source of the alleged false bribery claims they said justified the impeachment of Biden.


Wishful thinking.

Unless there is overwhelming evidence connecting Jordan et. al. to Smirnov's lies, this will just fade into history with all the other bullshit they've done.

edited to add: even with overwhelming evidence, what would happen? Seriously. They ignore subpoenas and regularly break rules without consequence.

muriel_volestrangler

(106,108 posts)
11. Yeah; it would be embarrassing for him, if he were capable of feeling shame
Wed Feb 21, 2024, 02:22 PM
Feb 2024

but he's a modern Republican, so he isn't. There won't be any consequences for him.

muriel_volestrangler

(106,108 posts)
24. That was new in 2022, so I'm not sure what you're saying
Wed Feb 21, 2024, 04:06 PM
Feb 2024
https://ballotpedia.org/Tamie_Wilson

Jordan got 39% to Wilson's 31%, so I can't see moderates or independents getting rid of him, however much of an asshole he is.

stopdiggin

(15,381 posts)
16. Nah. The only real damage here is to Jim's reputation
Wed Feb 21, 2024, 02:52 PM
Feb 2024

And let's face it, Jordan is held in high regard and esteem by .... Virtually no one. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Mr.Bill

(24,906 posts)
18. Consider giving Smirnov immunity
Wed Feb 21, 2024, 03:01 PM
Feb 2024

if he rats out the people in Congress who knew he was a Russian spy. Especially if he has documentation.

BlueTsunami2018

(4,977 posts)
26. Everyone is always in "deep trouble" or "finished" or whatever.
Wed Feb 21, 2024, 04:10 PM
Feb 2024

Nothing ever happens to them.

So, I’m not holding my breath.

jcgoldie

(12,046 posts)
30. I don't see the part where he's in trouble
Wed Feb 21, 2024, 04:51 PM
Feb 2024

Does anyone on either side find it surprising that he would be easily duped?

creeksneakers2

(8,002 posts)
33. I don't see that either
Wed Feb 21, 2024, 07:11 PM
Feb 2024

Looks like he could wind up in trouble if somebody looks into it but so far they haven't.

jcgoldie

(12,046 posts)
53. I agree but it isn't like he doesn't have a very famous history of feigning ignorance
Thu Feb 22, 2024, 10:02 AM
Feb 2024

ask the ohio state wrestling team.

pecosbob

(8,380 posts)
32. The Catch-22 is that to clean up the mess we need an impartial DoJ and FBI...
Wed Feb 21, 2024, 06:02 PM
Feb 2024

How do we clean up the DoJ and the FBI?

The evidence is finally coming out indicating both were in the tank for Trump all along.

Captain Zero

(8,879 posts)
44. Is this Smirnov the same guy who 'won' $9K worth of Trump Sneakers ??
Thu Feb 22, 2024, 12:09 AM
Feb 2024

In Philadelphia?? This past weekend?

ecstatic

(35,062 posts)
47. The only way any of them will ever be held accountable
Thu Feb 22, 2024, 07:20 AM
Feb 2024

Is if we demand it for months and hold hearings etc, like what happened with the J6 committee. Congress members had to publicly beg for Garland to do the right thing.

Unless we have the energy and patience for another round of that, it's not going to happen. Sadly.

 

Chainfire

(17,757 posts)
51. I don't see the problem here. With Republicans, the truth is what you want it to be. They wanted Biden
Thu Feb 22, 2024, 09:01 AM
Feb 2024

to have taken bribes, so they made it happen. There will be no serious reprecussions because the system is broken.

DiverDave

(5,245 posts)
52. Follow the MONEY
Thu Feb 22, 2024, 09:54 AM
Feb 2024

They want the cash. They don't think about our country, or the people in it.
Lie, cheat,steal.
The bottom line is money.
I call them cheap whores, they bid for the cash.
Low bid for treason.

Martin68

(27,631 posts)
56. Jordan's investigation is in deep trouble. He isn't in trouble unless it can be proven that he knew about the
Thu Feb 22, 2024, 12:34 PM
Feb 2024

Russian intelligence link and that he knew the testimony was false.

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