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BigmanPigman

(51,744 posts)
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 08:03 AM Feb 2024

DU Poll: If Trump wins will you move abroad?


134 votes, 3 passes | Time left: Unlimited
No
67 (50%)
Yes
16 (12%)
Would like to but can't, no opportunites
27 (20%)
Possibly, waiting for more info in future
20 (15%)
Other
4 (3%)
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DU Poll: If Trump wins will you move abroad? (Original Post) BigmanPigman Feb 2024 OP
As if it's a choice for most people bucolic_frolic Feb 2024 #1
They won't be "closing their borders" because they're not really open now... brooklynite Feb 2024 #13
Exactly. bucolic_frolic Feb 2024 #16
Not an option for the vast majority of people Bettie Feb 2024 #2
No, but I will never turn on the news again. tavernier Feb 2024 #3
after the 2016 election i cancelled all my newspapers and refused to watch ANY samnsara Feb 2024 #8
So. If you didn't watch or read news, how did you know? Srkdqltr Feb 2024 #35
They've been a member on DU since 2012. All Mixed Up Feb 2024 #36
i quit after 2000. AllaN01Bear Feb 2024 #44
Thinking about it regularly now ms liberty Feb 2024 #4
ive weaned myself off a steady diet of news as well and now i have a steady diet of samnsara Feb 2024 #9
Me too! Beatlelvr Feb 2024 #30
No, but... Mike Nelson Feb 2024 #5
1. Trump will not win. Patton French Feb 2024 #6
That is what I said! Demsrule86 Feb 2024 #19
Cheers! Patton French Feb 2024 #66
I think if it's an honest and fair vote, BlueKota Feb 2024 #29
Trump will certainly lose and he and his lackeys will certainly try to upend the will of the country. Patton French Feb 2024 #65
i live in a state that borders canada so im only about 300 miles away... samnsara Feb 2024 #7
My friend's sister moved there recently and loves it. BigmanPigman Feb 2024 #11
I am choosing New Brunswick but also looked at Nova Scotia. usedtobedemgurl Feb 2024 #15
Nova Scotia's wonderful. shrike3 Feb 2024 #38
Vancouver enid602 Feb 2024 #63
Of course not. brooklynite Feb 2024 #10
We live in New York PJMcK Feb 2024 #12
I am already looking at real estate.... usedtobedemgurl Feb 2024 #14
Canada's Q is alive and well and much of the population feels that what happened here is impossible up there. Hope22 Feb 2024 #23
Up in Western BC and heading north, I was amazed at how thick MAGA were there.... Chakaconcarne Feb 2024 #37
Thank you for this info. Hope22 Feb 2024 #40
For me, right now, it is more about healthcare. usedtobedemgurl Feb 2024 #47
So many important things to consider. Hope22 Feb 2024 #57
I did pay in for a short period of time.... usedtobedemgurl Feb 2024 #61
Trump is not going to win...the GOP will go down in flames next fall...wait for it. Demsrule86 Feb 2024 #17
I would stick around for spite. Emile Feb 2024 #18
EXACTLY!!! niyad Feb 2024 #58
No... not that I wouldn't want to. Happy Hoosier Feb 2024 #20
We would be able to TxGuitar Feb 2024 #21
I'm in the process of filing a judicial review... róisín_dubh Feb 2024 #25
I have EU Citizenship edhopper Feb 2024 #22
I picked other róisín_dubh Feb 2024 #24
Nope. My wife and I are staying in our house until we die. Amishman Feb 2024 #26
Fortunately... Gruenemann Feb 2024 #27
I forgot to mention... Gruenemann Feb 2024 #33
BigmanPigman.......... Upthevibe Feb 2024 #28
Moved in Sept 2018 - and just got our 10 year resident cards for France - Voting from abroad GoneOffShore Feb 2024 #31
I would stay, so long as the Insurrectionist or MAGAts don't move on rewriting the Constitution Best_man23 Feb 2024 #32
Is Canada "abroad?" bif Feb 2024 #34
I don't see an option for me to leave. I was hoping Ireland, but BlueKota Feb 2024 #39
I don't know all the details BigmanPigman Feb 2024 #49
I am hoping there is a way if it becomes necessary BlueKota Feb 2024 #52
Isn't this country worth fighting for? Ferryboat Feb 2024 #41
It is, but I'm not sure I am physically or emotionally strong enough to be of BlueKota Feb 2024 #59
I'd much rather be a resistance fighter than a refugee C_U_L8R Feb 2024 #42
I work for a global company Johnny2X2X Feb 2024 #43
no, cant afford it and where would i go and how would i get there and how much would it cost for me to do so. AllaN01Bear Feb 2024 #45
Navalny didn't leave. Martin Luther King Jr didn't leave. 1WorldHope Feb 2024 #46
Most likely some people will not have a choice, for their own safety. mysteryowl Feb 2024 #48
No Polybius Feb 2024 #50
Like it's that easy to just pick up and leave. BlueTsunami2018 Feb 2024 #51
Already gone!!! Have no plans to return. LakeArenal Feb 2024 #53
I will be part of the Resistance. niyad Feb 2024 #54
Seriously thought about it Jilly_in_VA Feb 2024 #55
I don't have the means get the red out Feb 2024 #56
There is no safe place place for democracy in the world. May as well fight here. nt The Unmitigated Gall Feb 2024 #60
Mexico sorcrow Feb 2024 #62
He won't won. Norbert Feb 2024 #64

bucolic_frolic

(43,716 posts)
1. As if it's a choice for most people
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 08:13 AM
Feb 2024

Money. Health care. There will be so many leaving. Countries will be closing their borders. What do Americans have to offer? Skills and money, and lots of both if you want to get admitted somewhere. Have they developed an Ugly American test? Some don't live respectful lives. Oh wait, those are supposed to be the ones that won't be leaving. There are ex-Pat communities everywhere. So there is a little support, for orientation. But many are well-heeled Republicans.

brooklynite

(95,301 posts)
13. They won't be "closing their borders" because they're not really open now...
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 08:35 AM
Feb 2024

Most developed countries don't have an open door policy unless you have a skill set they need or can buy a golden passport.

Bettie

(16,181 posts)
2. Not an option for the vast majority of people
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 08:17 AM
Feb 2024

no other country really wants middle class people. Now, if you're wealthy, you'll be fine here or anywhere else.

But for most of us, we're stuck with whatever happens.

tavernier

(12,462 posts)
3. No, but I will never turn on the news again.
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 08:17 AM
Feb 2024

They can’t force me to look at his ugly mug.

Fortunately that isn’t going to happen.

samnsara

(17,685 posts)
8. after the 2016 election i cancelled all my newspapers and refused to watch ANY
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 08:29 AM
Feb 2024

..news. I only started watching it again when Flynn got busted.

 

All Mixed Up

(597 posts)
36. They've been a member on DU since 2012.
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 11:21 AM
Feb 2024

I'm sure they still visited this site and saw a post about it. You can filter a lot of the news you receive way better nowadays than you could a couple decades ago. You don't need a newspaper or television to remain updated on events like you used to need.

In many ways, I think that has helped lead to an increase in partisanship among Americans as we all focus on our own info bubbles.

samnsara

(17,685 posts)
9. ive weaned myself off a steady diet of news as well and now i have a steady diet of
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 08:31 AM
Feb 2024

..the British Baking Show. Lordy is that funny.....but makes me hungry.

Beatlelvr

(626 posts)
30. Me too!
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 11:00 AM
Feb 2024

Used to watch steady MSNBC but I can't take it anymore. Still watch Rachel though.
I've learned so much from British Baking Show! And I'm constantly looking up what the different baked items are. And oh Lordy, the slang words! I also have to do that from all the tv shows on Acorn and Britbox.

Mike Nelson

(10,017 posts)
5. No, but...
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 08:24 AM
Feb 2024

... I'm lucky to live in California. If Crooked Donald supporters take over Congress and get more Judges in place, it's possible I will move, though. We'll see... I don't think Americans will go for it...

BlueKota

(1,938 posts)
29. I think if it's an honest and fair vote,
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 10:59 AM
Feb 2024

Biden will win handily, but Trump cheats, and most Republicans will help him cheat. Add onto this that the Supreme Court seems to be purposely dragging it's feet deciding on the immunity question, it doesn't look like Trump will even be brought to a criminal jury trial before election time.

If he doesn't face harsh consequences for what he has already done, what's to stop him and his flunkies from trying again, and maybe succeeding this time. I may be overly pessimistic but then again I think it's possible to be overly optimistic too.

Patton French

(816 posts)
65. Trump will certainly lose and he and his lackeys will certainly try to upend the will of the country.
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 02:55 PM
Feb 2024

I refuse to believe they have any chance of succeeding. Their best chance was after 2020 when a lot of people didn’t see the extent of the craziness coming. I predict 2024 will be even more of a landslide and everyone will see the craziness coming. I just wish he was running from behind bars.

samnsara

(17,685 posts)
7. i live in a state that borders canada so im only about 300 miles away...
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 08:27 AM
Feb 2024

.. I would love to live in BC but $$$$. Hubby and I are in our 70s with two dogs and hes a licensed Pharmacist so he could work. I could make baskets somewhere.

Im thinking Nova Scotia sounds peaceful. Anyone been there?

BigmanPigman

(51,744 posts)
11. My friend's sister moved there recently and loves it.
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 08:33 AM
Feb 2024

It is sort of a communal area bit not like communes from the 1960s.

usedtobedemgurl

(1,172 posts)
15. I am choosing New Brunswick but also looked at Nova Scotia.
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 08:46 AM
Feb 2024

Newfoundland (where I am from) and PEI are more expensive because of having to get goods to the island. A close friend in Newfoundland is always telling me prices of things and it is so expensive. New Brunswick is closer to the US border than the other Maritime provinces and with family down here, I may have to come here for something or other. So, that is the province I am choosing. You cannot go wrong with NS or NB.

enid602

(8,711 posts)
63. Vancouver
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 02:20 PM
Feb 2024

Vancouver BC might be a better fit, as you’re only 45 miles from Bellingham WA. Two major hospitals, hourly bus service to BC. Great for Medicare recipients.

PJMcK

(22,135 posts)
12. We live in New York
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 08:34 AM
Feb 2024

It’s solidly blue and will likely stay that way.

Nonetheless, we don’t think we’ll stay in the U.S. if Trump regains the presidency. He, his followers and his henchmen are too dangerous and evil. They will transform this country if they get the chance. We don’t want to be a part of that.

We’re not rich but we’re comfortable financially. Our vague plan is to sell everything and move to one of the countries that have so-called “golden visas” whereby you can get fast-tracked for dual citizenship if you buy a home and have your own healthcare. I recognize that this is not an option for many people.

I cannot imagine living here if the country goes full- MAGA.

usedtobedemgurl

(1,172 posts)
14. I am already looking at real estate....
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 08:42 AM
Feb 2024

And have been in touch with an ex who is in government. I am getting all of my things lined up. This is not just for Trump. It is because when my hubby came down with cancer, we realized in a place where we are not cared about enough to provide healthcare, we could lose everything. Canada has universal healthcare. Things may be expedited if Trump is voted in. Having lived there and having dual citizenship, I can get back in. They make it harder for foreign spouses. At any rate, yes, I will move. I already getting all of my stuff lined up to do so.

Hope22

(1,946 posts)
23. Canada's Q is alive and well and much of the population feels that what happened here is impossible up there.
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 10:05 AM
Feb 2024

I recently had dinner with friends who are Canadian. He is of German decent and after listening briefly to my concerns about TSF equating him to Hitler and the plight of women he told me….there is nothing I can do to stop him. Hitler will win. He basically mocked me for my concern. Needless to say it knocked the wind out of me. Seven people at the table…no one said a word in my defense.

I understand about your duel citizenship as my friend and business partner has duel citizenship. I’ve begged him to get out of here while he can but he didn’t want to leave his friends. Over the last ten years we have watched Canada, the undercurrents of Q are ignored by the average citizen. They feel safe and think that nothing like our disaster can happen there. This being said the wife of Mr. Hitler said that after the trucker invasion last year that group has stolen the Canadian flag and continue riding around with the flags flying from the backs of their pickup trucks. She is mad about that! Kind of ironic that the same thing goes on down here and our flag was absconded with years ago. One of my woke Canadian friends checks in regularly with me and he said he recently found out that two of his friends are card carrying Q’s. I wish you luck if you go. This is all a giant mess. In my opinion Canada is not far enough away. If this country blows it’s gonna be big. I wouldn’t be anywhere near the US border.

Chakaconcarne

(2,492 posts)
37. Up in Western BC and heading north, I was amazed at how thick MAGA were there....
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 11:24 AM
Feb 2024

Once you're in Klondike and NWT it gets much better...

usedtobedemgurl

(1,172 posts)
47. For me, right now, it is more about healthcare.
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 12:56 PM
Feb 2024

I plan on moving to as small a village as I can get. I want to go to town once, maybe twice a month for groceries. If Trump is somehow elected, it will move my time table up. I am not moving to avoid Qi’s. I am moving to first and foremost get free healthcare. Secondly, as a woman I do not want to be a second class citizen.

With the chronic pain I am in. The legalized marijuana will no doubt help me. Can they change their healthcare and the legalization? Of course, but I will work with what is there now. I am obese. If I have a heart attack down here, I will be homeless.
That really hit home when hubby was diagnosed with stage 4 cancer.

Hope22

(1,946 posts)
57. So many important things to consider.
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 01:35 PM
Feb 2024

My heart goes out to you and your husband. My friend was uncertain if he could have jumped right into the healthcare system having not paid in over the years. Have you gotten written confirmation on that? I hope you find a place and it all works out. I know that senior living is way less expensive as well as the healthcare offered.

usedtobedemgurl

(1,172 posts)
61. I did pay in for a short period of time....
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 01:59 PM
Feb 2024

I have had to check in so many things but have not checked on healthcare as such. I researched it may take a few minutes to get a GP. I know when I have gone back to visit I have received free, or almost free, healthcare not even living there. At one point my foot went through a glass window. They took out the glass and cleaned my foot. I walked away paying $15 for crutches I was allowed to keep. I also went back to my old GP and was treated for something. That also was free. I have not heard of them charging. And I do have paperwork stating despite me having duel citizenship, I was sworn in as a Canadian citizen. But I cannot imagine them letting someone lose their house or life savings over a heart attack or stroke or most anything else.

When you have health problems, the last thing you want to do is worry about money. Money has hung o er our head since hubby was diagnosed. Thankfully, he has insurance but they can decide it is too expensive and stop paying.

Thank you for your kind words. I really just want to be in a place that seems to treat their citizens humanely.

Happy Hoosier

(7,527 posts)
20. No... not that I wouldn't want to.
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 09:18 AM
Feb 2024

Our careers are here and we're in the last decade of them. My daughter is in college. Hard to pick up and move under those conditions.

TBH, we're white, upper income folks. We're atheists, but that's not obvious. We'll be fine. I'm more worried about my daughter. She wants out of red state hell as soon as she can. She's smart, and a talented artist (Getting a BFA, intends to be a tattoo artist). Her long-time boyfriend is a genius. Wants to enter academia (in a blue state) or go to law school. They could possibly relocate abroad in a few years.

TxGuitar

(4,239 posts)
21. We would be able to
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 09:28 AM
Feb 2024

As we are dual Irish/US citizens and have lived in Ireland and England before. It is not cheap to live in Europe, but we talk about the possibility frequently. Several countries are appealing.

róisín_dubh

(11,805 posts)
25. I'm in the process of filing a judicial review...
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 10:18 AM
Feb 2024

in Ireland. I'm 3rd generation, but of course my father's birth wasn't registered (as he was eligible to be) when I was born (my grandparents' births were registered). However, Ireland does allow some 3rd gens to gain citizenship, but not all (my sister can based on when she was born, but I fall outside this random window). My dad is submitting his ancestry citizenship application in May and then I'll see what happens. I'll be working with a couple of folks to file a petition to allow all 3rd generation people of Irish descent to apply for ancestry citizenship. It may go nowhere, but I'll never know unless I try. I'm fortunate that I work in the legal profession and have a law and history background, so the research involved is no problem. It's getting someone to listen to the case that's the issue.

If all else fails, I can apply via my mum's side in Italy. But thanks to Brexit that does me no good in England.

róisín_dubh

(11,805 posts)
24. I picked other
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 10:12 AM
Feb 2024

I already live abroad. Moved temporarily to the UK at 43. Came back about a year later to settle some things and was still a bit on the fence. The passage of a campus carry bill in the state where I lived and taught a very politically charged subject sealed the deal. I resigned my university teaching position (no small feat, considering the years of study and labour I'd put in), got a job in the UK and moved. I just got a 5 year visa and after that, I'll have my green card (the equivalent in the UK). If I had to move back to the US, I'd only move home to the northeast.
It was neither easy or cheap to do this. But it has been worth it so far, minus missing my family and friends.
Now, to be fair, every country has its warts, shitty politicians, policies and people. The Tories are appallingly bad, but they're likely on their way out.

Amishman

(5,563 posts)
26. Nope. My wife and I are staying in our house until we die.
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 10:25 AM
Feb 2024

There are zero scenarios where we would move, ever.

Our little sanctuary in the woods of Pennsylvania is where we want to be.

Gruenemann

(988 posts)
27. Fortunately...
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 10:41 AM
Feb 2024

I already own a house in Costa Rica, and I'm retired. I'm one of the fortunate few with the option of leaving.

Gruenemann

(988 posts)
33. I forgot to mention...
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 11:03 AM
Feb 2024

... I live in Texas. Even if I don't leave the country, I'm moving to a blue state no matter who wins.

Upthevibe

(8,142 posts)
28. BigmanPigman..........
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 10:51 AM
Feb 2024

One of my best friends and I are looking at Mexico.

He's done a lot of research. I think we could make it work.......... I hope it doesn't come to that but it's definitely under consideration.

GoneOffShore

(17,351 posts)
31. Moved in Sept 2018 - and just got our 10 year resident cards for France - Voting from abroad
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 11:02 AM
Feb 2024

And we can vote in local French elections now. And we can work.

Best_man23

(4,934 posts)
32. I would stay, so long as the Insurrectionist or MAGAts don't move on rewriting the Constitution
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 11:02 AM
Feb 2024

If they either convene a conference to rewrite (or the Insurrectionist does so unilaterally), Mrs Best and I will be exploring expat options. Both she and I have ZERO desire to live under any authoritarian regime.

Initially thinking either Nova Scotia or BC as expat locations. We are about a day's drive from Ontario so that would also be an option if things here really went sideways. I would also look at Ireland or Iceland, but I'm thinking if the Insurrectionist is in the WH, Vlad and his Orcs will likely make a move into Central and Western Europe (after finishing off Ukraine), and his Assets in the WH and Congress will let him do it. I really would not want to be anywhere in or near Europe if that happens.

In a protracted conflict, I can see Vlad potentially targeting Iceland in an attempt to lock up the North Atlantic seas and skies from shipping and air cargo transport to the UK and Western Europe.

BlueKota

(1,938 posts)
39. I don't see an option for me to leave. I was hoping Ireland, but
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 11:32 AM
Feb 2024

my great grandparents had already moved to the U.S. before my Dad was born, so that rules that out. My Italian grandparents moved to the US in 1914 and 1916, but if they were naturalized before my Mom was born which seems likely the Italian citizenship is off the books for me too.

Maybe if Pope Francis is still in charge he will find a way to get asylum for some of the more progressive or lapsed(me) Catholics, as he is not a fan of American Bishops or Trump, but that's a pipe dream.

I am not wealthy, I am a senior citizen,am on disability, and have a lot of health issues, so it's not likely I could get citizenship elsewhere. Plus I refuse to abandon my dog and cat. I don't know what I will do, if the worst case scenario happens, because I really don't want to be forced into having only one other option, if it does.

I really hope someone has alternate options to choose from before then.

BigmanPigman

(51,744 posts)
49. I don't know all the details
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 01:21 PM
Feb 2024

Involved in getting my sister and myself dual citizenship in !Italy since she is the one who did all the work a few years ago. I do know that my mother and my grandmother were born in the US. My sister said it was complicated and she is used to dealing with stuff like this since she is a lawyer.

BlueKota

(1,938 posts)
52. I am hoping there is a way if it becomes necessary
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 01:30 PM
Feb 2024

I don't know because I am not familiar with Italian law, but I did read on line, that if a person's grandparents had become naturalized U.S. Citizens before their children were born, neither those children nor their off spring would be able to claim dual citizenship of the U.S. and Italy.

Ferryboat

(929 posts)
41. Isn't this country worth fighting for?
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 11:50 AM
Feb 2024

Countless citizens rose to the occasion when called to defend this country and all it stands for.
Warts and all.

At the age of 67, I'm could bail and be comfortable elsewhere. But the shame of abandoning the US to a bunch of knuckle draggers isnt something I could live with.

C_U_L8R

(45,058 posts)
42. I'd much rather be a resistance fighter than a refugee
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 11:55 AM
Feb 2024

Thought I was retired but a second career vanquishing magats and rightwing miscreants is a noble cause worth fighting for.

Johnny2X2X

(19,420 posts)
43. I work for a global company
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 11:58 AM
Feb 2024

I would have opportunities to continue my career in Canada, the UK, or Mexico. I will strongly consider it and start pursuing these opportunites should he be elected and start keeping his word on his promise to turn the US into a dictatorship.

AllaN01Bear

(19,217 posts)
45. no, cant afford it and where would i go and how would i get there and how much would it cost for me to do so.
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 12:02 PM
Feb 2024

1WorldHope

(715 posts)
46. Navalny didn't leave. Martin Luther King Jr didn't leave.
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 12:21 PM
Feb 2024

Yes, they died. But we admire them for staying and fighting.
If we all flee, especially those with money and an education and health, that will for sure be the end to this great experiment of democracy. If America goes down, there will be nowhere to hide. I would shame my dead father and his brothers who went off to WWII without a second thought, if I ran away, thinking only of myself.

mysteryowl

(7,475 posts)
48. Most likely some people will not have a choice, for their own safety.
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 01:01 PM
Feb 2024

Many people will be in danger for various reasons and need to flee.

Having a current passport and some cash ready, would be a good idea.

LakeArenal

(28,940 posts)
53. Already gone!!! Have no plans to return.
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 01:31 PM
Feb 2024

We canceled Medicare and everything.

Taking our chance on the so called socialist third world.

Jilly_in_VA

(10,081 posts)
55. Seriously thought about it
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 01:32 PM
Feb 2024

but we have a lot to consider. We're very senior citizens (71 and 80) and a lot of countries won't take us. We have family here though and I have counseled my daughter to make sure that her whole family's passports are up to date, since all her kids are multiracial and would have a really hard time under another Slobfather administration.

get the red out

(13,468 posts)
56. I don't have the means
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 01:34 PM
Feb 2024

I will even have to stay in Kentucky until I retire (I am 59) because my job benefits are really good. Gotta try to live.

sorcrow

(426 posts)
62. Mexico
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 02:15 PM
Feb 2024

I plan to move whoever wins. We're from Vermont and my wife can't take the cold. You'd think after sixty something years, she'd be used to it.

We aready have a house in Baja California South and spend about half the year here. Great people, beautiful scenery, good food, cheap cost of living.

I'm so-called full retirement age, but will probably work three to six more months back in Vermont before living here in Mexico fulltime.

Retiringly yours,
Sorghum Crow

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