BREAKING: Cellphone data raises questions about start of Willis-Wade relationship

[Cattledog]

Nathan Wade appeared to make at least 35 visits to the Hapeville neighborhood where Fani Willis was living before the district attorney hired him to lead Fulton County’s election interference prosecution, according to cellphone data included in a court submission filed Friday.

The filing, by attorneys for Donald Trump, raises fresh questions about the relationship between the two prosecutors, which the former president and other defendants argue has tainted the case against them and should result in Willis and her office being disqualified.

Trump’s lawyers relied on data collected from Wade’s cellphone and cellphone tower transmissions to track his movements. It seems to contradict Wade’s testimony last week in which he said he had visited Willis at her condo in Hapeville no more than 10 times before he was hired in November 2021. It also indicates Wade twice arrived late at night at the condo and left early the next morning in the months before Willis and Wade said their relationship became romantic early in 2022.

Both Wade and Willis testified last week that they did not spend the night together at the Hapeville condo.

https://www.ajc.com/politics/breaking-cellphone-data-raise-questions-about-start-of-willis-wade-relationship/SFVMYPTD2RD3HMZYOH3377CNNE/?fbclid=IwAR0B5-gXIYZQy5OMInH9mLVhoTXUZbD-89ndHBCjb2stXyvaMAxe_zedXMg

[yardwork]

1. I don't care.

This is completely irrelevant and none of our business.

[jimfields33]

4. Absolutely true. I hope they said when it started in the stand at least

Under oath is important.

[Kingofalldems]

169. Nope.

[jimfields33]

171. Really? As you read more of the thread, you'll see I

Was correct. Many feel the same.

[Kingofalldems]

175. No again.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10143199268

But Hunter Biden's laptop! It's real!

[jimfields33]

184. Alright.

[LAS14]

5. You don't care about its possible impact on the Georgia trial???

[ismnotwasm]

19. Exactly.

[iluvtennis]

37. + agree. The judge had accepted they had a sexual relationship per their filings. Only issue here (per the judge) is

whether there were any financial benefits to Willis.

[Mad_Machine76]

59. Is the defense literally accusing them

Of prosecuting Trump for some kind of financial benefit?!

[spooky3]

63. yes, because that's the only chance they have given the standards for

dismissing the prosecutor

[Ms. Toad]

67. Yes.

The theory is that Willis is getting kickbacks (his payment for her trips) from Wade in exchange for a job/higher salary. And Willis' benefit from those only continues as long as they continue to prosecute Trump.

[Mad_Machine76]

119. Interesting

That seems like it would be pretty unlikely/hard to prove. Why would they need *Trump's* prosecution specifically to benefit and enrich themselves?

[Ms. Toad]

122. The allegation is that this case, for which Willis hired Trump, gives her a financial benefit

she would not otherwise have but for continuing the case (and hiring Wade).

She gets her normal salary regardless of whether she has this case or not. But the "kickbacks" are an extra bonus she gets as long as Wade is on the case (being paid with government money) and is using his pay from the case to give her little extras (like trips).

It doesn't require this case, specifically. But Trump et al are claiming that it is happening in this case - that the motivation for continuing to prosecute a "baseless" case is the boost in her income due to kickbacks.

It is nonsense, of course. But that is the gist of their argument.

[sinkingfeeling]

2. To me, a big so what? Don't think it has anything to do with case.

[LAS14]

6. If they lied at the hearing and it's provable it could have a big impact on the case. nt

[sinkingfeeling]

13. Do you remember how many times you went to the mall or church or what ever from 3 years ago? All

Wade has to do he say he didn't recall it properly

[Zeitghost]

14. It's not just the number of visits

It's the timing and other details that appear to indicate the entire timeline of the relationship was a lie.


None of this would have been a problem, hasd they simply told the truth. It's so frustrating.

[sinkingfeeling]

17. I believe they DID tell the truth.

[Zeitghost]

20. The cell phone data

Seems to indicate that there is an issue.

The previous evidence that suggested that the relationship started before they admitted was from a disgruntled former friend/employee. That's easy to dismiss. Cell phone data placing him there on a Friday night until Saturday morning is a bit harder to explain.

Perhaps there will be a good reason, but it's not looking good.

[uponit7771]

75. False relationship and intimate relationship are different and this is also conflating the two

[SomedayKindaLove]

158. The cell phone data places him where exactly?

[fishwax]

178. The cellphone data appears to just indicate that he was in the area -- and it's apparently a busy area

According to this site, there are 8 cell phone towers in Hapeville, and 35 times he was close to one of them that is also close to her condo: http://www.city-data.com/towers/lmobile-Hapeville-Georgia.html.

I think that's all we really know. The neighborhood appears to be by the airport, and it appears there are plenty of bars and restaurants and hotels around there. Unless there is something more to what we're seeing in the newspaper report, I don't think this indicates cause for alarm.

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

41. It's really frustrating to see how little this has to do with the subject at hand and

how effective it is at distracting everyone from the fact we are trying to prove someone attempted to steal an election. What she did or didn't do, has nothing to do with that.

[Zeitghost]

45. It had nothing to do with the case

Until they made statements under oath to the court.

If those statements were lies and it can be proven, it's a huge issue.

The court is not going to ignore the lead prosecutor and others on her team lying to the court.

[uponit7771]

94. They made no conflicting statements under oath, adults understand difference between lovers and friends and when ea

[Zeitghost]

130. He testified

That he never spent the night there. Cell phone data suggests otherwise.

[uponit7771]

149. And he's right records show he was gone before dawn

[Laura PourMeADrink]

77. Agree. But then there was the lawsuit that coulda been thrown out? Not

A lawyer, but could they have thrown out the lawsuit?

[Laura PourMeADrink]

74. Exactly. Just reading this. Hope its not true.

[Kingofalldems]

167. Nope

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=post&post&forum=1014&pid=3199268

[Zeitghost]

9. Not telling the truth in court

Is a huge deal.

This has been a completely avoidable situation from the beginning.

As usual, the coverup is the bigger crime than the original action you were trying to hide. It's a valuable life lesson I've tried to convey to my children. A seasoned prosecutor should have learned it already.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

87. Dont get it though. Why not just say you dont remember how many

times u went over there? Hope cell phone records are bogus

[DURHAM D]

3. Was this information provided by a Russian operative?

Just checking...

[triron]

73. Probably

[StarryNite]

7. It's their private life and I don't care.

However, if these accusations are true perjury is very problematic.

[limbicnuminousity]

8. So?

They were in a relationship. Of course they saw each other. Next up: Willis and Wade kissed at one of their meetings!

[Zeitghost]

12. The issue

Is telling a different story while under oath. That's not a good look for prosecutors.

[Tickle]

103. The question is whether they misrepresented the initiation date of their activities.

If they didn't provide false information, then there's no issue. However, if it's discovered that they did indeed lie, that's an entirely different matter altogether.

[Zeitghost]

21. The records are from a time period

They previously stated was prior to the beginning of their relationship.

[uponit7771]

76. They already claimed they knew each other before having an intimate relationship.

[live love laugh]

28. Exactly!

[womanofthehills]

128. Seems like they took a cruise & other trips that he paid for

So, it’s claimed, she was benefiting money wise by hiring him - kind of like a kickback.

If she hired someone else, she would have not gotten expensive free vacations. She is now claiming she paid him back with cash but has no proof.

[LAS14]

10. It's worth digging deeper. Hoping the thread title is misleading.

Wade said he could have been in the Hapeville area for any number of reasons. He said he could have been visiting the Porsche Experience Center, the airport, the Delta Air Lines headquarters or local restaurants.

[FreeState]

32. This

its is Trump grasping at straws.

[bdamomma]

62. Grasping at

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straws and trying to defame her, and all the work her and her team worked on. Again, her personal life has nothing to do with the case.


I read the article saying how Mr. Wade would leave in the morning???? WTF. These are 2 grown people not teenagers!!! It's their business!!!! Just a stupid distraction.

[LAS14]

72. Here's the link.

Here's to where that assertion was made by Wade. It was earlier in the hearing, not in response to these latest allegations.

the link

[uponit7771]

78. It is, misleading MAGA is conflating intimate relationship with relationship and they know it

[Sympthsical]

11. I'm almost impressed how quickly this became a shitshow

At the moment, I'm interested to see how the judge responds to Wade's legal motion filed yesterday.

They do not - under any circumstances whatsoever - want Wade's former law partner Terrence Bradley talking to the judge. At all. Not even privately in chambers.

Bradley is the one who got this all started by talking/gossiping with Roman's attorney. He'd previously left and/or was asked to leave the shared practice over allegations of sexual assault and by all indications had a falling out with Wade, so there may be some motive for him to take a wrecking ball to the guy.

But Wade's motion yesterday makes for some reading. Words were not on the same continent as mincing. (there's a link to the filing in the article)

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2024/02/22/nathan-wade-donald-trump-terrence-bradley-georgia-case/72702575007/

If it looks like Wade/Willis had a relationship before they said, that means they made false claims to the court. And that will be that. There's no coming back from that.

[elocs]

15. Willis said in her 2020 campaign that she would not date anyone who was under her.

What was the point of her saying that? Was it a promise by her to avoid even the appearance of any wrong-doing?
Because if she had just stuck with that statement, promise, pledge or whatever you want to call it, then none of this would be happening now. She made the choice and so much of life is about choices and consequences.

[pwb]

18. So what?

That has nothing to do with the price of tea in china.

[Zeitghost]

22. It has everything to do

With their previous statements under oath.

[uponit7771]

79. They said they knew each other from way back when, intimate relationship is different than relationship. You know that!

[Cattledog]

23. 2,000 phone calls and 12,000 text messages between them before Wade was hired.

Let's face the facts. This is no longer about a relationship, it's about perjury. If it can be shown they lied under oath there is no way the Judge can let her remain on the case. If that happens, the case is essentially over.


Phone and text message info stated on local CBS station here in Atlanta 12p.

[maxrandb]

46. What "facts" are you talking about?

They acknowledge that they've been friends for years.

There are probably 2,000 calls and 12,000 texts between me and an old Shipmate of mine.

Doesn't mean we've been sleeping together, and it sure as hell doesn't mean that I would risk a law license by perjuring myself in court.

All Donnie Dipshit has is rumor, innuendo, and the "testimony" of one disgruntled employee that was fired by the person that could be harmed by her testimony.

[Ohio Joe]

50. This is the correct answer

It would be odd if friends never got together.

[Zeitghost]

54. Any single data point is easy to explain away

But when combined, they paint a picture that seems to indicate a relationship was there prior to the time frame they testified to.

Cell phone data placing him there overnight when he claims that never happened is a problem, no matter how much you want to bnury your head in the sand.

It's disappointing, but it appears to be true.

[maxrandb]

64. Really? You've seen the cellphone data?

You know it "pinpoints" him at that condo?

Hell, even the AJC article doesn't go that far. In fact, the only "overnight" example is something from 10PM to 3:48 AM.

Haven't we all been in "romantic" relationships where we were so much in "love", we "schtooped" each other and then ran out at 3:40?

Could it be he was somewhere else at that time?

Even if cellphone data could "pinpoint" him that accurately, could it be they got to talking and; "oh, shit, it's 3:30, I need to go".

Maybe the weather was bad?
Maybe he fell asleep on the couch watching movies?

Hell, I have been at friends homes, and they've said; "hey, it's late, the weathers bad, stay for some coffee".

There are a thousand reasonable scenarios.

Yet, despite the constant rat-schtooping the right has employed, at least since Nixon tried to steal an adversaries mental health records, folks still go immediately to the "sky-is-falling" reaction.

We should know better.

[uponit7771]

84. Right ?!? This is so freakin creepy that this needs to be explained!!! Here in DU!!

[Zeitghost]

144. He testified under oath

He had never stayed over there.

Perhaps there is a story that will make all of this out to be nothing. But it sure doesn't look good right now.

[Walleye]

177. Maybe he just left his phone there

[uponit7771]

83. The clearer picture is the conflation of intimate relationship and friends

[SoFlaBro]

97. "Appears to be true" if you listen to the fucking MAGA shitstains take on this nonsense.

[Zeitghost]

129. No

The cell phone data seems to be the damning evidence.

[SoFlaBro]

135. Evidence of what? They were in the same vicinity? There is a giant fucking leap to romance based on cell data.

They don't have the fucking messages, just times and locations. My cell pings off of a dozen women nearby. I'm not involved with any of them.

[Zeitghost]

136. And those times and locations

Contradict statements made under oath.

[SoFlaBro]

138. Contract what? Be specific.

[Zeitghost]

139. Mr Wade testified

That he never spent the night at her home and only visited around ten times.

The cell phone location data suggests otherwise.

Perhaps he has an iron clad explanation, But it isn't looking good.

[uponit7771]

86. So far mostly MAGQ believes they're lying, The other adults understand a difference between friendship and lovers

[GP6971]

99. Hello. Back again I see.

[uponit7771]

80. False, they had a relationship BEFORE it was intimate

[Patton French]

85. FFS

[ecstatic]

163. I just checked my text messages. I have over 51,000 messages to and from one person

And that's with 7 months of not speaking last year as well as other temporary fallouts over the years (since 2020). She's a good friend but definitely not a lover. 🙄

[tinrobot]

24. Where and why are they getting cellphone data?

Don't you need a subpoena for that?

[Cattledog]

25. Good question

That will probably be on the Judge's mind when he considers this and if it is admissible.

[Sympthsical]

29. They did subpoena the records from AT&T

They also subpoenaed records from Delta, the travel agent, and I think one or two more things. I can't remember precisely, but I do remember AT&T and Delta being two named. It was brought up in last week's hearings.

[Walleye]

55. That was my question was there a warrant? Is there a crime, probable cause

[bucolic_frolic]

26. That's evidence of nothing.

Slept in car, slept on couch. Long, late night discussions on how the path ahead would change their lives. Too busy doing day job to discuss during daytime. Proximity is not evidence. End of story.

[maxrandb]

44. Left cell phone in a restaurant and went back to get it?

Our legal system is NOT a Reality TV Show, no matter how hard Donnie Dipshit tries to turn it into one.

Maybe the Supreme Court needs to put a stop to this shit, before the "law" they claim to revere becomes a farce.

It might be too late.

[SalamanderSleeps]

27. People.

Trump called Raffensperger and asked him to throw the election.

Raffensperger recorded the conversation.

Asking anyone to falsify election results is criminal.

That's the law.

Raffensperger knew the difference between shit and Shineola, and acted accordingly

Donald J. Trump is a liar, thief, rapist, and a real live traitor.

The courts have found so.

Nathan Wade and Fani Willis are just people.

But, Donald is different.

He is a Russian asset with Secret Service protection.

I find that pretty goddamned upsetting, don't you?

Why can't we start the conversation there, instead of focusing on what two legal practitioners do when they are away from their desks?

Talking on your cellphone with a colleague, or even fucking them, really is not anything like being a liar, thief, rapist, and a real live traitor.

[bdamomma]

143. Such crap being slung

tRump , paying off Stormy Daniels (after he was bonking her) while his wife was having their child, He cries that he is perfect. And he is defaming Fani??????

[LexVegas]

30. This is not a good look. nt

[SalamanderSleeps]

35. First world problems, I'm sure the newspapers in Ukraine are stunned by Fani & Nathan's behavior.

Some things matter.

Other things do not.

[Boxerfan]

56. Thanks for that one....

Great song

[usedtobedemgurl]

113. What a great song for these times.....

God/America/Russia. Oh, and the lawyer part for the subject of this thread. It touches on things in this situation quite nicely. Thank you for posting.

[uponit7771]

88. Mostly to MAGA the rest of America's adults understand the difference between a friendship and a romance

[Torchlight]

118. lol

[live love laugh]

31. The beginning of a relationship is not always clear which Willis said. So what if he was in the area.

[Sympthsical]

34. It matters if it began before he was hired

They have both stated emphatically - and under oath - that their relationship began after he was contracted.

Trump's lawyers are throwing everything they have at the idea that it began before the hiring. Because if it did, that would mean Wade and Willis lied to the Court. They will have perjured themselves.

If the judge thinks they perjured themselves, they will be disqualified.

[femmedem]

69. If they perjured themselves about the relationship's timeline, it makes their other testimony less reliable.

I believe that Fani Willis did not receive a financial benefit from their relationship, but Trump's lawyers' odds of successfully arguing that her testimony about reimbursing Wade with cash isn't credible goes up if they can prove that she lied under oath about this.

But even if it's true that she lied under oath, I'm still somewhat hopeful that she won't be disqualified, unless she would be disbarred that quickly. I say this because if I remember correctly, the burden of proof is on Trump's side to show that Willis had a financial interest in prosecuting the case.

[Kingofalldems]

70. So you have proof they lied?

[Sympthsical]

71. Which part of what I said was unclear to you?

I explained what Trump's team is trying to do with these cell phone records.

It's up to the judge to decide what to make of it.

[uponit7771]

89. They've already admitted their friendship began before he was hired, Why is this even on DU?!

[Sympthsical]

95. We're talking about their romantic relationship

If that began before he was hired. They said under oath it didn't. The defense is trying to provide evidence they were lying.

Why is it on DU? Because if they're disqualified, this whole case against Trump will almost certainly be pushed until after the election. If it goes to a DA who decides it's not worth it, the case could end up being dropped entirely.

So what happens here is important if you care about Trump being prosecuted in Georgia. I think most of us here do.

[uponit7771]

96. Which phone logs prove none of that , even if they were sexting still proves the intimate relationship didn't begin

... until they said it began and it ended when they said it ended.

The court nor the public gets to define what their relationship is to them not the time span,

I don't even know why this distraction is on DU

[Sympthsical]

101. The court very much gets to define it legally, though

That is what law does. Define behaviors.

I can sit there and say, "Yeah, we were fuck buddies, but we weren't dating or anything." In my head, we're not dating.

Now go tell a court that doesn't matter in a case where whether or not a romantic relationship exists has bearing. "Your honor, we were not in a romantic relationship. We were just fucking."

Let me know when the judge stops laughing.

[uponit7771]

106. This is false on its face. The court doesn't get to say when you're in an intimate relationship and when you're not

... to you in your definition and your mind and your agreement between you and another person.

This is crazy,

in that case then me and you by a courts definition could be in an intimate relationship because they can call an intimate relationship, anything they want.

There are multiple relationships where people don't think they're intimate where there could be occurrences of sexual intercourse happening etc etc

People have never heard of friends with benefits, doesn't mean that's intimate

[Sympthsical]

112. The law is not whatever you prefer it to be

How people subjectively think about their relationships and what the law thinks are two different things. There's another good example in this. Nathan Wade has said repeatedly that he considered his marriage over in 2015 when he found out his wife was cheating on him. "In my mind, the marriage was over," is a phrase I heard from him more than once. And maybe that's true. For him. He's no longer emotionally obligated to his wife. He does not consider themselves partners in the marital enterprise with all its emotional and physical responsibilities, obligations, and expectations.

But the law still very much considers them married until they are divorced. What you think, how you feel, how you'd personally categorize it. It doesn't matter. It's a bit different, because marriage is a legal contract/status, but the contours are similar. When it comes to defining romantic relationships in law, fucking will do for a court. If you're fucking a subordinate at a private company, a lot of companies will can you on the spot. And if you go to HR with, "We're not in an inappropriate relationship or any kind of relationship. I don't even like the person I'm fucking," HR isn't going to be all, "Oh, why didn't you say? Nevermind then."

You're saying, "I want it to work this way."

Ok, but it doesn't. So . . . we'll just have to wait and see what the judge has to say about all this. I have no idea what he's going to do. But I can say, with full authority, that all of this is a monumental shitshow. As soon as the door was opened to it, it was circus times.

[live love laugh]

124. Being married or not is obviously clear cut. That's not necessarily so otherwise.

[Sympthsical]

125. Yeah, I didn't super love my example either

But the question of "Am I in a relationship in my mind?" is getting into the weeds and beside the point.

Wade and Willis were asked about their whereabouts. They gave answers. The cell phone tracking data suggests different from the answers given under oath.

That alone - romance or not - is a big problem.

[uponit7771]

151. No it's not, individuals get to define "intimate" relationship not anyone else.

[uponit7771]

150. RIGHT!!

[oldsoftie]

181. I get tired of the "why is this HERE?" stuff. Its HERE because its NEWS

Sometimes there's news we dont like. It doesnt mean it shouldn't be discussed. Sometimes people on OUR side of things do things they shouldn't do. it should be reported. Unless we're unwilling to be objective and honest
This case wont be tossed regardless of when/what their relationship was but if SHE is removed it'll de belayed till after the election. Which is just what trump wants.

[SoFlaBro]

137. A lie by itself is not perjury. The testimony has to be germane to the proceedings. This fails on relevance to the case.

[Sympthsical]

140. The testimony was germane to the proceedings

Because the statements about the relationship came in response to the defense alleging that Wade was hired in a kind of kickback scheme for Willis. Willis' answer to that was, "I couldn't have hired him for the purpose of kickbacks, because we didn't even start dating until five months after his hiring."

The relationship start date was given to dispel the motive alleged by the defense.

It doesn't get much more germane than that.

[SoFlaBro]

146. Besides the fact that it isn't germane at all.

[MichMan]

185. The legal system generally holds prosecutors and officers of the court to a much higher standard than other witnesses

[MOMFUDSKI]

33. George Conway's take was the Judge had to

entertain this mess to avoid the defense trying to nullify the case later. He was disgusted with all parties but didn’t think Fani should be removed. Orange guy’s attorneys had to try. We wait . . .

[SarahD]

36. It's not the affair. It's trying to cover it up.

They should have taken a more direct approach. "We were hot for each other the moment we met, went to my place, tore off our clothes, humped like bunnies, and didn't stop for three days." I don't see anything wrong with Willis hiring her boyfriend. Keep in mind what happened to Bill Clinton: impeached not for having oral sex, but for lying about it.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

108. Hey did Wade work on trump case in 2021? He worked

In Fani's office right? On something else?

[Tickle]

38. Jesus Christ is nothing private?!!

It's concerning that the Media acts like there may have been dishonesty regarding the start of Fani and Wade's relationship in court. Regardless of the circumstances, attempting to conceal the truth often leads to further complications. It's essential to address such matters transparently and honestly to maintain integrity and trust.

[Kaleva]

57. I agree

[Freethinker65]

39. Anything, anyone else in that neighborhood? Do the records pinpoint the actual condo?

Do phone records alone indicate they were alone together? Do the phone records prove they were consummating an ongoing relationship? Was is in the bedroom, on the sofa, on the kitchen counter?

This is insane. If she paid Willis off and had him sign an NDA because of possible political consequences, there would be an issue.

[Torchlight]

40. This inquiry carries as much weight and legitimacy to me as the Hunter Biden hearings.

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A truckload of inneffective, highly-edited posturing from the right wing, with just the right amount of hand-wringing from the concern crowds to make it look Bigger, Badder, New & Improved (4 out of 5 doctors are truly concerned and doubtful about this outcome, ask yours about taking FUD, now less expensive than ever!).

Watching the gymnastics attempts to better pretend this is serious, sound, and worthy of consideration are (to me) the satirical chracatures of reasoned discourse; e.g., Waldorf and Statler sitting in the balcomy.

[Johonny]

42. Clearly Trump isnt guilty because adults have sex

[marshall]

43. They were asked about a romantic relationship

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A booty call does not equal a romantic relationship. As Tina Turner eloquently said, “What’s love got to do with it?”

[Hekate]

47. This is a solid effort to destroy her case against Trump. If the Trumpistas succeed...

…she’ll be out and her office will be closed. It will take time to get someone else in, and they may not be interested at all in pursuing this case. Hello?

Fani Willis is a grown woman. Is she supposed to be a nun? Is that a requirement for professional women?

On the other hand snicker snicker you know what they say about women who don’t like men, har de har.

Well, damned if she does and damned if she doesn’t. The old double standard, misogyny, and racism ploy looks like it will work again. And Trump will skate.

[maxrandb]

48. When I was on Recruiting Duty, the last day of the month

was called; "Spaghetti Day".

This is nothing more than that.

[agingdem]

49. I could be wrong on this but...

earlier this week Brian Kemp said he had a sit-down with Jack Smith..and Brad Raffensperger has spoken to Jack Smith as well...for some reason I'm sensing superseding indictments coming down on Trump if/when the SC rules...I can dream...

as for Fani Willis...yes, her relationship with Nathan Wade is none of our business...however, she is a politician/public figure spearheading the most important case of her professional career... and as a public figure she had to know she was under the microscope..it's all about perception, the appearance of impropriety...

[Raven123]

53. Exactly. Unforced error.

Frankly infuriating. She had to know better. I don’t care about their personal relationship except that it creates a distraction

[Scrivener7]

61. No, it's about actual impropriety. If they can't prove it, it is meaningless. If it WERE about the

appearance of impropriety, there would be no end to them saying, "That appears inappropriate."

They already do it constantly over nothing. Our job is to say, "Prove it or shut up."

[obamanut2012]

68. Very well said -- exactly

[agingdem]

102. what irks me is Judge McAfee...

why the hearing...and the salacious questioning of the witnesses that he allowed...what's his agenda?

[Scrivener7]

105. I agree. My hope is that by giving it a hearing he thinks he can prevent it from metastisizing and

being grounds for appealing any result from the trial of tsf.

Hopefully.

But I won't believe it till he gives his decision about it.

[triron]

133. I don't trust the asshole judge.

[uponit7771]

90. Fannie Willis gets to have friendships and consensual lovers as much as she wants,none of our business

[dlk]

51. The firehouse of meaningless distractions

It’s what fascists do.

[Permanut]

52. This is serious..

The next thing we'll hear is she tore the tag off of her mattress.

[bdamomma]

58. Again

She is not on trial; those 18 defendants are. I mean WTF, they tried to stop a legitimate election. Her personal relationship has no bearing on the case.

This resembles "what about the e-mails" in Hillary Clinton's case. Such a distraction from the truth.

[Scrivener7]

60. Gasp! Just kidding. Who gives a shit?

[spooky3]

65. Lots of online commentators have criticized the judge for

letting the proceedings devolve into irrelevant matters like this.

[Ms. Toad]

66. This is starting to look like Bill Clinton all over again.

(Leaving aside the power differential involved in that relationship). He was impeached for lying under oath, not for a substantive matter.

I don't care (for purposes of the Georgia case) whether the two had a relationship. That is an employment matter - it has nothing to do with a conflict of interest in the Georgia case.

But I do care about lying under oath. I hope there is an explanation for Wade's cell phone data that is unrelated to when their relationship began. Near her house isn't necessarily at her house - cell phone data is not that precise.

[uponit7771]

91. MAGA is conflating professional acquaintance with lovers and they know it

[Ms. Toad]

98. What do you make of the overnight cell phone data

in a location near Willis's house?

Both of them said, under oath, that he never stayed overnight in that particular house.

[uponit7771]

100. Let's say they were up in that house doing the horizontal marble all night

That still does not mean in their definition of an intimate relationship that they're having an intimate relationship. They're just screwing and that's the way they can see it

Again, the court nor the public gets to define intimate, non-intimate, etc. Between two people.

The intimate relationship began when they say it did and it ended when they said it did. That's all

[Ms. Toad]

107. The data is not cell data; it is the physical location of the phone.

On two occsions Wade's cell phone physically arrived in the vicinity of the condo that both of them testified he never spent the night at, and his phone did not physically leave until the next morning.

The issue, at this point, isn't the affair. It never was, as far as I'm concerned. That is an HR matter, and the judge should not have held a hearing on the matter. But he did, and both testified under oath. So the issue is now whether they lied under oath.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

109. What we dont get is how we laymen know full well that

a cellphone can be tracked.

[Ms. Toad]

115. My initial thought was that mine mostly can't be -

I only allow geo-location when I'm using an app that has a reason to require it. It is allowed only when the app is active, and turns off when the app is no longer in use. So mostly geo-location (precise) location data is not available for me.

But - as long as my phone is turned on, it is pinging off of local cell towers. Each tower can tell how far away my phone is from it. Depending on how many towers are within range (creating overlapping circles of potential locations) my phone's location can be determined to within 5-10 meters.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

134. Thanks for explaining. Think latest info qualifies

That cell was near residence. But it's not like someone can say someone was at 100 Main St.

[Ms. Toad]

141. Correct.

If his phone pinged off of one tower it was located within a circle centered on the tower. If it pinged off of two it will be in the smaller eye-shaped overlap of the circles. If it pinged off of three it was in the even smaller roughly triangular overlap of all three. But it is't a precise location.

[oldsoftie]

182. I was tracked within 50 ft of my location 15yrs ago

I bet they're better at it now.
Working at a house with a couple others & one guy leaned on his phone & called 911 somehow. The cops parked right in front of the house

[maxrandb]

142. That's not what the article states

"It does not show definitively that Wade visited Willis at her Hapeville condo — at best, the evidence appears to show Wade was in a 9-square-mile area that includes Willis’ condo, Steffes said.

The data also does not prove that Wade stayed in one place – he could have been driving around the area, he added. “This sounds to me like these folks are not experienced and they don’t understand the limits of either the data or the tool they’re using."

Additionally, the 2 overnight instances sited, one is from 1030PM - 3:48AM, and the other is from about 1100PM - 4AM. Again, NOT VERIFIED AT THE CONDO. Maybe he was visiting someone else. Maybe he got a late night craving for some restaurant in the area. Maybe he picked someone up at the airport and they closed down a bar and went to breakfast.

None of his proves ANYTHING. It's sole purpose is to try this case like it's a reality TV Show.

I expect that the courts is going to put a stop to this distraction soon.

[Ms. Toad]

145. None of that conflicts with anything I said.

I never said that the data pinpointed the location of his phone, or that his phone stayed in one location. What I said s that the data they were talking about is location data, not call data, which indicated it was in the vicinity of her condo and on two occasions did not leave that vicinity until early morning.

Location data can be relatively precise - or within miles. It all depends on how many towers they have data from. The more towers, the more precise the location. Typically a single tower is accessible to a phone around 3 miles away. That would put the maximum distance from her house at 6 miles (the cell tower in the center, her condo 3 miles away, and his car up to 3 miles in the opposite direction. That distance is longer in more rural areas and shorter in denser urban areas. If you get data from two towers, the area can be narrowed down more (the phone would need to be in the overlap of the two circles of accessibility). Same for 3 towers - it makes the location more precise.

I haven't looked specifically at what they submitted, which is why I said the data showed his phone (not necessarily him) was in the vicinity of (not necessarily at) her condo. I don't know how much, or how precise, the data is.

[uponit7771]

154. "vicinity of her condo " means little in context and you know that. He never claimed he wasn't in vecinty of her condo

"Location data can be relatively precise"

Unless the cell lat/long data puts him at her place this is a moot point

[Ms. Toad]

159. That is sufficient for a judge to want to inquire more.

It isn't conclusive, but it does raise legitimate questions, given their testimony.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

147. Obvious question - Where did he live? How many miles away?

If close, what you say could be true.

And jeez quoting Kook's investigator, so take it with grain of salt, but they have evidence? Of call between the two a period of time after that 3:48a cell record, like " made it home ok".

Again, don't care one iota that they had an affair. NOT RELEVENT. What is relevent, is lying under oath. Hope they did not!!!!!

[Silent Type]

156. Wade lives in Cobb County Georgia a good 25 miles from Willis. Beginning to think

it would have been better if Willis had said early on that, she “denies the trump defense allegations/insinuations and it’s irrelevant to trump’s guilt, but in the interest of convicting the MFer as soon as possible, she and Wade are withdrawing from case.”

With that said, I enjoyed watching Willis on the stand and am glad she had a chance to respond to an obvious legal trick to get trump’s trial delayed. Unfortunately, the delay tactics worked.

[uponit7771]

152. Thx, I knew there was some one-sided info being put out on DU

[The Magistrate]

162. This Thing Takes On A '2000 Mules' Air, Sir....

[H2O Man]

81. The sky is falling!

[uponit7771]

93. The MSM is purposely conflating friendship with lovers to claim purjery

[H2O Man]

110. Of course.

But the MSM is not taking the witness stand. And at this late date, anyone who bases their opinions on the MSM needs their head examined.

[IcyPeas]

92. I think this is what trump will do to anyone speaking out against him

Threats, revenge. I think he has private eyes on people. They will dig and dig and dig even into your garbage cans.

I think he really would've hung Mike Pence.

It is the Trump mafia.

This ex-employee said they were hugging and kissing in a social setting. (Gasp!)

[Sympthsical]

117. Trump and his co-defendants absolutely have investigators working for them

It's come up several times in court.

[underpants]

104. Saw this on RW Twitter- cell tower hits and raw speculation

It’s Dinesh’s “2,000 Mules” all over again.

[Historic NY]

111. How were they able to even get it ?

[DVRacer]

120. AT&T was served a subpoena and complied

The data was analyzed using CellHawk which is what all agencies use in court. The data is the data and this type of analysis has even been used in prosecution by this DA’s office.

Good learning lesson for others you are always being tracked and monitored if your phone or other device is near you. You realize for Hey Siri to work it has to be listening all the time. Keywords will trigger automatic recording and sent to agencies for further analysis. Big Brother knows all.

[mainer]

126. Subpoena? She's not under police investigation

So a private citizen can have phone records subpoenaed by anyone? by a stalking ex-spouse?

[Zeitghost]

131. No, not by anyone

But as part of a court hearing. Yes.

[spooky3]

114. Standards for disqualification per Norm Eisen

“ As a matter of both common sense and Georgia law, a prosecutor is disqualified from a case due to a “conflict of interest” only when the prosecutor’s conflicting loyalties could prejudice the defendant leading, for example, to an improper conviction. None of the factual allegations made in the Roman motion have a basis in law for the idea that such prejudice could exist here – as it might where a law enforcement agent is involved with a witness, or a defense lawyer with a judge. We might question Willis’s judgment in hiring Wade and the pair’s other alleged conduct, but under Georgia law that relationship and their alleged behavior do not impact her or his ability to continue on the case.”

[Historic NY]

121. Where is a conflict when both are playing on the same team.

[spooky3]

123. I don't see one. Nt

[WiVoter]

116. Don't Care

[flying_wahini]

127. And?

They were single, consensual relationships aren’t against the law. YET.

[sop]

132. Fani Willis has a net worth of $8 Million.

"She (has a) net worth of $8 million with an annual revenue of $2.7 million. Her income as an attorney is...$110,000...she also holds an investment portfolio of $5 million in real estate and $2 million in stocks in companies such as Microsoft and Apple."

https://www.the-express.com/news/us-news/128348/where-did-Fani-Willis-go-to-law-school

It's not like Fani needed anything from Wade, the woman's rich. I find it unlikely Willis was improperly influenced by the (relatively small) amount of money Wade spent on her during their relationship.

[DemocraticPatriot]

155. Excellent point! Thanks for posting that.

[madaboutharry]

157. The Express is a right-wing rag with a dubious record of accurate reporting.

I wouldn’t take their reporting on Fani Willis’ finances at face value.

That said, I believe every word she testified to and she certainly didn’t need Nathan Wade paying for anything.

[sop]

164. From Law Pro blog:

"Unveiling Fani Willis’s Net Worth"

"When it comes to her financial standing, Fani Willis boasts a net worth of $8 million. Her income sources contribute to this impressive figure, with an annual income of $2.7 million. This includes a base salary of $110,000 and an additional $1.5 million from various sources, such as speaking engagements that command a fee of $12,000 per event."

"Beyond the numbers, Willis’s wealth spans various assets. She owns an impressive collection of eight cars. In terms of real estate, she possesses properties worth $5 million. These include 300 acres of farmland in Utah and Maui, a luxurious four-bedroom villa in Georgia, and two properties in Houston."

"Additionally, Willis holds $2 million in stock market investments. Her investment portfolio includes shares in renowned companies such as Apple, Microsoft, Boeing, Berkshire Hathaway, Exxon, and Pfizer. Through a combination of astute financial decisions and successful legal endeavors, Fani Willis has built a remarkable net worth of $8 million."

https://lawpro.blog/fani-willis-net-worth/

[madaboutharry]

165. Law Pro is a. blog.

There is no information on who runs it or if it is even owned by a lawyer. I have trouble giving them credibility. The assertion that Fani Willis, who for nearly the entirety of her career, has worked in a government position, owns 8 cars is highly questionable.

[sop]

166. Ali Raza has been looking into Willis' financial situation, here are a couple of links:

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/fani-willis-salary-net-worth-wikipedia-ali-raza-iluhf

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/fani-willis-net-worth-wikipedia-ali-raza-ngj9f

https://superfestfilm.com/fani-willis-net-worth-the-district-attorney-of-fulton-county-scandal/

You can do your own research.

[LAS14]

148. Rebuttal from the DA's office.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/23/politics/private-investigator-trump-georgia-fani-willis/index.html

[struggle4progress]

153. More rat-fucking. If the defense has proof of a conflict of interest,

they should show their proof; otherwise it's time to move on

[Cha]

160. Fani Willis and Team are NOT Having Any of this SHIT.

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=18715742

[Kingofalldems]

168. Thanks!

Trolls lose again. They were in fake outrage mode--too bad for them.

[Cha]

173. Really. I couldn't believe all I

I was reading yesterday.. on second thought.. Yes I can.

You're Welcome.

[SomedayKindaLove]

161. Hapeville is 2.5 square miles and has 8,494 residents

Do the phone records prove Wade was having an affair with all 8,494 residents?

[marshall]

170. They are Conflating sex with being in a romantic relationship

To expect that sex between a man and a woman necessarily indicates a romantic relationship is arguably a hallmark of a patriarchal white supremacist mindset.

[gulliver]

172. The relationship should have been disclosed to the judge

Regardless of when it started. Willis should wait and hope the judge doesn't disqualify her. Then recuse. I wouldn't be surprised if she and Wade aren't working on some kind of deal like that now. Maybe they keep their jobs or at least their law licenses. They made a big mistake, and I have no sympathy that compares to my sympathy for all of us in the country who don't need Trump on the loose and running the world. The case is too important.

Everyone who cares about this case, ask yourself a simple yes/no question. "Do you wish this relationship hadn't occurred?"

[oldsoftie]

183. Thats all that needed to be done & there'd be nothing here.

How hard would it be to disclose? "When in doubt, disclose"
It doesnt help that Wade is by far the least qualified in RICO prosecutions but he's made the lion's share of the billing hours

[fishwax]

174. this is a neighborhood with a lot of residences, bars, nightclubs, hotels, etc. ... and close to the airport, I think

“The records do nothing more than demonstrate that Special Prosecutor Wade’s telephone was located somewhere within a densely populated multiple-mile radius where various residences, restaurants, bars, nightclubs and other businesses are located,” Willis’ motion said.

So unless they have some more specific data, I don't see how this proves anything.

[FHRRK]

176. Response?

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218715742


Retract? Apologize? Provide additional details?

[Lunabell]

179. Nope.

His cell phone pinged near her house. It doesn't raise any questions about the beginning of their relationship. It shows his phone was in the vicinity. He's allowed to leave his neighborhood.

[Sogo]

180. Can phone records be fabricated? Or altered,

say, by Russian intelligence methods?