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Cattledog

(5,906 posts)
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 12:31 PM Feb 23

BREAKING: Cellphone data raises questions about start of Willis-Wade relationship

Nathan Wade appeared to make at least 35 visits to the Hapeville neighborhood where Fani Willis was living before the district attorney hired him to lead Fulton County’s election interference prosecution, according to cellphone data included in a court submission filed Friday.

The filing, by attorneys for Donald Trump, raises fresh questions about the relationship between the two prosecutors, which the former president and other defendants argue has tainted the case against them and should result in Willis and her office being disqualified.

Trump’s lawyers relied on data collected from Wade’s cellphone and cellphone tower transmissions to track his movements. It seems to contradict Wade’s testimony last week in which he said he had visited Willis at her condo in Hapeville no more than 10 times before he was hired in November 2021. It also indicates Wade twice arrived late at night at the condo and left early the next morning in the months before Willis and Wade said their relationship became romantic early in 2022.

Both Wade and Willis testified last week that they did not spend the night together at the Hapeville condo.

https://www.ajc.com/politics/breaking-cellphone-data-raise-questions-about-start-of-willis-wade-relationship/SFVMYPTD2RD3HMZYOH3377CNNE/?fbclid=IwAR0B5-gXIYZQy5OMInH9mLVhoTXUZbD-89ndHBCjb2stXyvaMAxe_zedXMg
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BREAKING: Cellphone data raises questions about start of Willis-Wade relationship (Original Post) Cattledog Feb 23 OP
I don't care. yardwork Feb 23 #1
Absolutely true. I hope they said when it started in the stand at least jimfields33 Feb 23 #4
Nope. Kingofalldems Feb 24 #169
Really? As you read more of the thread, you'll see I jimfields33 Feb 24 #171
No again. Kingofalldems Feb 24 #175
Alright. jimfields33 Feb 24 #184
You don't care about its possible impact on the Georgia trial??? LAS14 Feb 23 #5
Exactly. ismnotwasm Feb 23 #19
+ agree. The judge had accepted they had a sexual relationship per their filings. Only issue here (per the judge) is iluvtennis Feb 23 #37
Is the defense literally accusing them Mad_Machine76 Feb 23 #59
yes, because that's the only chance they have given the standards for spooky3 Feb 23 #63
Yes. Ms. Toad Feb 23 #67
Interesting Mad_Machine76 Feb 23 #119
The allegation is that this case, for which Willis hired Trump, gives her a financial benefit Ms. Toad Feb 23 #122
To me, a big so what? Don't think it has anything to do with case. sinkingfeeling Feb 23 #2
If they lied at the hearing and it's provable it could have a big impact on the case. nt LAS14 Feb 23 #6
Do you remember how many times you went to the mall or church or what ever from 3 years ago? All sinkingfeeling Feb 23 #13
It's not just the number of visits Zeitghost Feb 23 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author sinkingfeeling Feb 23 #16
I believe they DID tell the truth. sinkingfeeling Feb 23 #17
The cell phone data Zeitghost Feb 23 #20
False relationship and intimate relationship are different and this is also conflating the two uponit7771 Feb 23 #75
The cell phone data places him where exactly? SomedayKindaLove Feb 24 #158
The cellphone data appears to just indicate that he was in the area -- and it's apparently a busy area fishwax Feb 24 #178
It's really frustrating to see how little this has to do with the subject at hand and Dyedinthewoolliberal Feb 23 #41
It had nothing to do with the case Zeitghost Feb 23 #45
They made no conflicting statements under oath, adults understand difference between lovers and friends and when ea uponit7771 Feb 23 #94
He testified Zeitghost Feb 23 #130
And he's right records show he was gone before dawn uponit7771 Feb 23 #149
Agree. But then there was the lawsuit that coulda been thrown out? Not Laura PourMeADrink Feb 23 #77
Exactly. Just reading this. Hope its not true. Laura PourMeADrink Feb 23 #74
Nope Kingofalldems Feb 24 #167
Not telling the truth in court Zeitghost Feb 23 #9
Dont get it though. Why not just say you dont remember how many Laura PourMeADrink Feb 23 #87
Was this information provided by a Russian operative? DURHAM D Feb 23 #3
Probably triron Feb 23 #73
It's their private life and I don't care. StarryNite Feb 23 #7
So? limbicnuminousity Feb 23 #8
The issue Zeitghost Feb 23 #12
The question is whether they misrepresented the initiation date of their activities. Tickle Feb 23 #103
The records are from a time period Zeitghost Feb 23 #21
They already claimed they knew each other before having an intimate relationship. uponit7771 Feb 23 #76
Exactly! live love laugh Feb 23 #28
Seems like they took a cruise & other trips that he paid for womanofthehills Feb 23 #128
It's worth digging deeper. Hoping the thread title is misleading. LAS14 Feb 23 #10
This FreeState Feb 23 #32
Grasping at bdamomma Feb 23 #62
Here's the link. LAS14 Feb 23 #72
It is, misleading MAGA is conflating intimate relationship with relationship and they know it uponit7771 Feb 23 #78
I'm almost impressed how quickly this became a shitshow Sympthsical Feb 23 #11
Willis said in her 2020 campaign that she would not date anyone who was under her. elocs Feb 23 #15
So what? pwb Feb 23 #18
It has everything to do Zeitghost Feb 23 #22
They said they knew each other from way back when, intimate relationship is different than relationship. You know that! uponit7771 Feb 23 #79
2,000 phone calls and 12,000 text messages between them before Wade was hired. Cattledog Feb 23 #23
What "facts" are you talking about? maxrandb Feb 23 #46
This is the correct answer Ohio Joe Feb 23 #50
Any single data point is easy to explain away Zeitghost Feb 23 #54
Really? You've seen the cellphone data? maxrandb Feb 23 #64
Right ?!? This is so freakin creepy that this needs to be explained!!! Here in DU!! uponit7771 Feb 23 #84
He testified under oath Zeitghost Feb 23 #144
Maybe he just left his phone there Walleye Feb 24 #177
The clearer picture is the conflation of intimate relationship and friends uponit7771 Feb 23 #83
"Appears to be true" if you listen to the fucking MAGA shitstains take on this nonsense. SoFlaBro Feb 23 #97
No Zeitghost Feb 23 #129
Evidence of what? They were in the same vicinity? There is a giant fucking leap to romance based on cell data. SoFlaBro Feb 23 #135
And those times and locations Zeitghost Feb 23 #136
Contract what? Be specific. SoFlaBro Feb 23 #138
Mr Wade testified Zeitghost Feb 23 #139
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 23 #82
So far mostly MAGQ believes they're lying, The other adults understand a difference between friendship and lovers uponit7771 Feb 23 #86
Hello. Back again I see. GP6971 Feb 23 #99
False, they had a relationship BEFORE it was intimate uponit7771 Feb 23 #80
FFS Patton French Feb 23 #85
I just checked my text messages. I have over 51,000 messages to and from one person ecstatic Feb 24 #163
Where and why are they getting cellphone data? tinrobot Feb 23 #24
Good question Cattledog Feb 23 #25
They did subpoena the records from AT&T Sympthsical Feb 23 #29
That was my question was there a warrant? Is there a crime, probable cause Walleye Feb 23 #55
That's evidence of nothing. bucolic_frolic Feb 23 #26
Left cell phone in a restaurant and went back to get it? maxrandb Feb 23 #44
People. SalamanderSleeps Feb 23 #27
Such crap being slung bdamomma Feb 23 #143
This is not a good look. nt LexVegas Feb 23 #30
First world problems, I'm sure the newspapers in Ukraine are stunned by Fani & Nathan's behavior. SalamanderSleeps Feb 23 #35
Thanks for that one.... Boxerfan Feb 23 #56
What a great song for these times..... usedtobedemgurl Feb 23 #113
Mostly to MAGA the rest of America's adults understand the difference between a friendship and a romance uponit7771 Feb 23 #88
lol Torchlight Feb 23 #118
The beginning of a relationship is not always clear which Willis said. So what if he was in the area. live love laugh Feb 23 #31
It matters if it began before he was hired Sympthsical Feb 23 #34
If they perjured themselves about the relationship's timeline, it makes their other testimony less reliable. femmedem Feb 23 #69
So you have proof they lied? Kingofalldems Feb 23 #70
Which part of what I said was unclear to you? Sympthsical Feb 23 #71
They've already admitted their friendship began before he was hired, Why is this even on DU?! uponit7771 Feb 23 #89
We're talking about their romantic relationship Sympthsical Feb 23 #95
Which phone logs prove none of that , even if they were sexting still proves the intimate relationship didn't begin uponit7771 Feb 23 #96
The court very much gets to define it legally, though Sympthsical Feb 23 #101
This is false on its face. The court doesn't get to say when you're in an intimate relationship and when you're not uponit7771 Feb 23 #106
The law is not whatever you prefer it to be Sympthsical Feb 23 #112
Being married or not is obviously clear cut. That's not necessarily so otherwise. live love laugh Feb 23 #124
Yeah, I didn't super love my example either Sympthsical Feb 23 #125
No it's not, individuals get to define "intimate" relationship not anyone else. uponit7771 Feb 23 #151
RIGHT!! uponit7771 Feb 23 #150
I get tired of the "why is this HERE?" stuff. Its HERE because its NEWS oldsoftie Feb 24 #181
A lie by itself is not perjury. The testimony has to be germane to the proceedings. This fails on relevance to the case. SoFlaBro Feb 23 #137
The testimony was germane to the proceedings Sympthsical Feb 23 #140
Besides the fact that it isn't germane at all. SoFlaBro Feb 23 #146
The legal system generally holds prosecutors and officers of the court to a much higher standard than other witnesses MichMan Feb 24 #185
George Conway's take was the Judge had to MOMFUDSKI Feb 23 #33
It's not the affair. It's trying to cover it up. SarahD Feb 23 #36
Hey did Wade work on trump case in 2021? He worked Laura PourMeADrink Feb 23 #108
Jesus Christ is nothing private?!! Tickle Feb 23 #38
I agree Kaleva Feb 23 #57
Anything, anyone else in that neighborhood? Do the records pinpoint the actual condo? Freethinker65 Feb 23 #39
This inquiry carries as much weight and legitimacy to me as the Hunter Biden hearings. Torchlight Feb 23 #40
Clearly Trump isnt guilty because adults have sex Johonny Feb 23 #42
They were asked about a romantic relationship marshall Feb 23 #43
This is a solid effort to destroy her case against Trump. If the Trumpistas succeed... Hekate Feb 23 #47
When I was on Recruiting Duty, the last day of the month maxrandb Feb 23 #48
I could be wrong on this but... agingdem Feb 23 #49
Exactly. Unforced error. Raven123 Feb 23 #53
No, it's about actual impropriety. If they can't prove it, it is meaningless. If it WERE about the Scrivener7 Feb 23 #61
Very well said -- exactly obamanut2012 Feb 23 #68
what irks me is Judge McAfee... agingdem Feb 23 #102
I agree. My hope is that by giving it a hearing he thinks he can prevent it from metastisizing and Scrivener7 Feb 23 #105
I don't trust the asshole judge. triron Feb 23 #133
Fannie Willis gets to have friendships and consensual lovers as much as she wants,none of our business uponit7771 Feb 23 #90
The firehouse of meaningless distractions dlk Feb 23 #51
This is serious.. Permanut Feb 23 #52
Again bdamomma Feb 23 #58
Gasp! Just kidding. Who gives a shit? Scrivener7 Feb 23 #60
Lots of online commentators have criticized the judge for spooky3 Feb 23 #65
This is starting to look like Bill Clinton all over again. Ms. Toad Feb 23 #66
MAGA is conflating professional acquaintance with lovers and they know it uponit7771 Feb 23 #91
What do you make of the overnight cell phone data Ms. Toad Feb 23 #98
Let's say they were up in that house doing the horizontal marble all night uponit7771 Feb 23 #100
The data is not cell data; it is the physical location of the phone. Ms. Toad Feb 23 #107
What we dont get is how we laymen know full well that Laura PourMeADrink Feb 23 #109
My initial thought was that mine mostly can't be - Ms. Toad Feb 23 #115
Thanks for explaining. Think latest info qualifies Laura PourMeADrink Feb 23 #134
Correct. Ms. Toad Feb 23 #141
I was tracked within 50 ft of my location 15yrs ago oldsoftie Feb 24 #182
That's not what the article states maxrandb Feb 23 #142
None of that conflicts with anything I said. Ms. Toad Feb 23 #145
"vicinity of her condo " means little in context and you know that. He never claimed he wasn't in vecinty of her condo uponit7771 Feb 23 #154
That is sufficient for a judge to want to inquire more. Ms. Toad Feb 24 #159
Obvious question - Where did he live? How many miles away? Laura PourMeADrink Feb 23 #147
Wade lives in Cobb County Georgia a good 25 miles from Willis. Beginning to think Silent Type Feb 23 #156
Thx, I knew there was some one-sided info being put out on DU uponit7771 Feb 23 #152
This Thing Takes On A '2000 Mules' Air, Sir.... The Magistrate Feb 24 #162
The sky is falling! H2O Man Feb 23 #81
The MSM is purposely conflating friendship with lovers to claim purjery uponit7771 Feb 23 #93
Of course. H2O Man Feb 23 #110
I think this is what trump will do to anyone speaking out against him IcyPeas Feb 23 #92
Trump and his co-defendants absolutely have investigators working for them Sympthsical Feb 23 #117
Saw this on RW Twitter- cell tower hits and raw speculation underpants Feb 23 #104
How were they able to even get it ? Historic NY Feb 23 #111
AT&T was served a subpoena and complied DVRacer Feb 23 #120
Subpoena? She's not under police investigation mainer Feb 23 #126
No, not by anyone Zeitghost Feb 23 #131
Standards for disqualification per Norm Eisen spooky3 Feb 23 #114
Where is a conflict when both are playing on the same team. Historic NY Feb 23 #121
I don't see one. Nt spooky3 Feb 23 #123
Don't Care WiVoter Feb 23 #116
And? flying_wahini Feb 23 #127
Fani Willis has a net worth of $8 Million. sop Feb 23 #132
Excellent point! Thanks for posting that. DemocraticPatriot Feb 23 #155
The Express is a right-wing rag with a dubious record of accurate reporting. madaboutharry Feb 23 #157
From Law Pro blog: sop Feb 24 #164
Law Pro is a. blog. madaboutharry Feb 24 #165
Ali Raza has been looking into Willis' financial situation, here are a couple of links: sop Feb 24 #166
Rebuttal from the DA's office. LAS14 Feb 23 #148
More rat-fucking. If the defense has proof of a conflict of interest, struggle4progress Feb 23 #153
Fani Willis and Team are NOT Having Any of this SHIT. Cha Feb 24 #160
Thanks! Kingofalldems Feb 24 #168
Really. I couldn't believe all I Cha Feb 24 #173
Hapeville is 2.5 square miles and has 8,494 residents SomedayKindaLove Feb 24 #161
They are Conflating sex with being in a romantic relationship marshall Feb 24 #170
The relationship should have been disclosed to the judge gulliver Feb 24 #172
Thats all that needed to be done & there'd be nothing here. oldsoftie Feb 24 #183
this is a neighborhood with a lot of residences, bars, nightclubs, hotels, etc. ... and close to the airport, I think fishwax Feb 24 #174
Response? FHRRK Feb 24 #176
Nope. Lunabell Feb 24 #179
Can phone records be fabricated? Or altered, Sogo Feb 24 #180

iluvtennis

(19,809 posts)
37. + agree. The judge had accepted they had a sexual relationship per their filings. Only issue here (per the judge) is
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 01:42 PM
Feb 23

whether there were any financial benefits to Willis.

Ms. Toad

(33,970 posts)
67. Yes.
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 03:11 PM
Feb 23

The theory is that Willis is getting kickbacks (his payment for her trips) from Wade in exchange for a job/higher salary. And Willis' benefit from those only continues as long as they continue to prosecute Trump.

Mad_Machine76

(24,382 posts)
119. Interesting
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 05:06 PM
Feb 23

That seems like it would be pretty unlikely/hard to prove. Why would they need *Trump's* prosecution specifically to benefit and enrich themselves?

Ms. Toad

(33,970 posts)
122. The allegation is that this case, for which Willis hired Trump, gives her a financial benefit
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 05:19 PM
Feb 23

she would not otherwise have but for continuing the case (and hiring Wade).

She gets her normal salary regardless of whether she has this case or not. But the "kickbacks" are an extra bonus she gets as long as Wade is on the case (being paid with government money) and is using his pay from the case to give her little extras (like trips).

It doesn't require this case, specifically. But Trump et al are claiming that it is happening in this case - that the motivation for continuing to prosecute a "baseless" case is the boost in her income due to kickbacks.

It is nonsense, of course. But that is the gist of their argument.

sinkingfeeling

(51,400 posts)
13. Do you remember how many times you went to the mall or church or what ever from 3 years ago? All
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 12:47 PM
Feb 23

Wade has to do he say he didn't recall it properly

Zeitghost

(3,829 posts)
14. It's not just the number of visits
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 01:01 PM
Feb 23

It's the timing and other details that appear to indicate the entire timeline of the relationship was a lie.


None of this would have been a problem, hasd they simply told the truth. It's so frustrating.

Response to Zeitghost (Reply #14)

Zeitghost

(3,829 posts)
20. The cell phone data
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 01:11 PM
Feb 23

Seems to indicate that there is an issue.

The previous evidence that suggested that the relationship started before they admitted was from a disgruntled former friend/employee. That's easy to dismiss. Cell phone data placing him there on a Friday night until Saturday morning is a bit harder to explain.

Perhaps there will be a good reason, but it's not looking good.

fishwax

(29,148 posts)
178. The cellphone data appears to just indicate that he was in the area -- and it's apparently a busy area
Sat Feb 24, 2024, 03:09 PM
Feb 24

According to this site, there are 8 cell phone towers in Hapeville, and 35 times he was close to one of them that is also close to her condo: http://www.city-data.com/towers/lmobile-Hapeville-Georgia.html.

I think that's all we really know. The neighborhood appears to be by the airport, and it appears there are plenty of bars and restaurants and hotels around there. Unless there is something more to what we're seeing in the newspaper report, I don't think this indicates cause for alarm.

Dyedinthewoolliberal

(15,525 posts)
41. It's really frustrating to see how little this has to do with the subject at hand and
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 02:16 PM
Feb 23

how effective it is at distracting everyone from the fact we are trying to prove someone attempted to steal an election. What she did or didn't do, has nothing to do with that.

Zeitghost

(3,829 posts)
45. It had nothing to do with the case
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 02:29 PM
Feb 23

Until they made statements under oath to the court.

If those statements were lies and it can be proven, it's a huge issue.

The court is not going to ignore the lead prosecutor and others on her team lying to the court.

uponit7771

(90,296 posts)
94. They made no conflicting statements under oath, adults understand difference between lovers and friends and when ea
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 04:16 PM
Feb 23
 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
77. Agree. But then there was the lawsuit that coulda been thrown out? Not
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 03:58 PM
Feb 23

A lawyer, but could they have thrown out the lawsuit?

Zeitghost

(3,829 posts)
9. Not telling the truth in court
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 12:39 PM
Feb 23

Is a huge deal.

This has been a completely avoidable situation from the beginning.

As usual, the coverup is the bigger crime than the original action you were trying to hide. It's a valuable life lesson I've tried to convey to my children. A seasoned prosecutor should have learned it already.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
87. Dont get it though. Why not just say you dont remember how many
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 04:07 PM
Feb 23

times u went over there? Hope cell phone records are bogus

StarryNite

(9,403 posts)
7. It's their private life and I don't care.
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 12:38 PM
Feb 23

However, if these accusations are true perjury is very problematic.

limbicnuminousity

(1,402 posts)
8. So?
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 12:38 PM
Feb 23

They were in a relationship. Of course they saw each other. Next up: Willis and Wade kissed at one of their meetings!

Tickle

(2,486 posts)
103. The question is whether they misrepresented the initiation date of their activities.
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 04:28 PM
Feb 23

If they didn't provide false information, then there's no issue. However, if it's discovered that they did indeed lie, that's an entirely different matter altogether.




Zeitghost

(3,829 posts)
21. The records are from a time period
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 01:12 PM
Feb 23

They previously stated was prior to the beginning of their relationship.

womanofthehills

(8,631 posts)
128. Seems like they took a cruise & other trips that he paid for
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 06:44 PM
Feb 23

So, it’s claimed, she was benefiting money wise by hiring him - kind of like a kickback.

If she hired someone else, she would have not gotten expensive free vacations. She is now claiming she paid him back with cash but has no proof.

LAS14

(13,763 posts)
10. It's worth digging deeper. Hoping the thread title is misleading.
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 12:39 PM
Feb 23

Wade said he could have been in the Hapeville area for any number of reasons. He said he could have been visiting the Porsche Experience Center, the airport, the Delta Air Lines headquarters or local restaurants.

bdamomma

(63,729 posts)
62. Grasping at
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 02:59 PM
Feb 23

Last edited Fri Feb 23, 2024, 07:40 PM - Edit history (1)

straws and trying to defame her, and all the work her and her team worked on. Again, her personal life has nothing to do with the case.


I read the article saying how Mr. Wade would leave in the morning???? WTF. These are 2 grown people not teenagers!!! It's their business!!!! Just a stupid distraction.

LAS14

(13,763 posts)
72. Here's the link.
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 03:25 PM
Feb 23

Here's to where that assertion was made by Wade. It was earlier in the hearing, not in response to these latest allegations.

the link

Sympthsical

(9,000 posts)
11. I'm almost impressed how quickly this became a shitshow
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 12:39 PM
Feb 23

At the moment, I'm interested to see how the judge responds to Wade's legal motion filed yesterday.

They do not - under any circumstances whatsoever - want Wade's former law partner Terrence Bradley talking to the judge. At all. Not even privately in chambers.

Bradley is the one who got this all started by talking/gossiping with Roman's attorney. He'd previously left and/or was asked to leave the shared practice over allegations of sexual assault and by all indications had a falling out with Wade, so there may be some motive for him to take a wrecking ball to the guy.

But Wade's motion yesterday makes for some reading. Words were not on the same continent as mincing. (there's a link to the filing in the article)

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2024/02/22/nathan-wade-donald-trump-terrence-bradley-georgia-case/72702575007/

If it looks like Wade/Willis had a relationship before they said, that means they made false claims to the court. And that will be that. There's no coming back from that.

elocs

(22,521 posts)
15. Willis said in her 2020 campaign that she would not date anyone who was under her.
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 01:03 PM
Feb 23

What was the point of her saying that? Was it a promise by her to avoid even the appearance of any wrong-doing?
Because if she had just stuck with that statement, promise, pledge or whatever you want to call it, then none of this would be happening now. She made the choice and so much of life is about choices and consequences.

uponit7771

(90,296 posts)
79. They said they knew each other from way back when, intimate relationship is different than relationship. You know that!
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 03:59 PM
Feb 23

Cattledog

(5,906 posts)
23. 2,000 phone calls and 12,000 text messages between them before Wade was hired.
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 01:16 PM
Feb 23

Let's face the facts. This is no longer about a relationship, it's about perjury. If it can be shown they lied under oath there is no way the Judge can let her remain on the case. If that happens, the case is essentially over.


Phone and text message info stated on local CBS station here in Atlanta 12p.

maxrandb

(15,253 posts)
46. What "facts" are you talking about?
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 02:30 PM
Feb 23

They acknowledge that they've been friends for years.

There are probably 2,000 calls and 12,000 texts between me and an old Shipmate of mine.

Doesn't mean we've been sleeping together, and it sure as hell doesn't mean that I would risk a law license by perjuring myself in court.

All Donnie Dipshit has is rumor, innuendo, and the "testimony" of one disgruntled employee that was fired by the person that could be harmed by her testimony.

Zeitghost

(3,829 posts)
54. Any single data point is easy to explain away
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 02:44 PM
Feb 23

But when combined, they paint a picture that seems to indicate a relationship was there prior to the time frame they testified to.

Cell phone data placing him there overnight when he claims that never happened is a problem, no matter how much you want to bnury your head in the sand.

It's disappointing, but it appears to be true.

maxrandb

(15,253 posts)
64. Really? You've seen the cellphone data?
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 03:03 PM
Feb 23

You know it "pinpoints" him at that condo?

Hell, even the AJC article doesn't go that far. In fact, the only "overnight" example is something from 10PM to 3:48 AM.

Haven't we all been in "romantic" relationships where we were so much in "love", we "schtooped" each other and then ran out at 3:40?

Could it be he was somewhere else at that time?

Even if cellphone data could "pinpoint" him that accurately, could it be they got to talking and; "oh, shit, it's 3:30, I need to go".

Maybe the weather was bad?
Maybe he fell asleep on the couch watching movies?

Hell, I have been at friends homes, and they've said; "hey, it's late, the weathers bad, stay for some coffee".

There are a thousand reasonable scenarios.

Yet, despite the constant rat-schtooping the right has employed, at least since Nixon tried to steal an adversaries mental health records, folks still go immediately to the "sky-is-falling" reaction.

We should know better.

Zeitghost

(3,829 posts)
144. He testified under oath
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 08:07 PM
Feb 23

He had never stayed over there.

Perhaps there is a story that will make all of this out to be nothing. But it sure doesn't look good right now.

SoFlaBro

(1,900 posts)
135. Evidence of what? They were in the same vicinity? There is a giant fucking leap to romance based on cell data.
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 07:40 PM
Feb 23

They don't have the fucking messages, just times and locations. My cell pings off of a dozen women nearby. I'm not involved with any of them.

Zeitghost

(3,829 posts)
139. Mr Wade testified
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 07:45 PM
Feb 23

That he never spent the night at her home and only visited around ten times.

The cell phone location data suggests otherwise.

Perhaps he has an iron clad explanation, But it isn't looking good.

Response to maxrandb (Reply #46)

uponit7771

(90,296 posts)
86. So far mostly MAGQ believes they're lying, The other adults understand a difference between friendship and lovers
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 04:07 PM
Feb 23

ecstatic

(32,628 posts)
163. I just checked my text messages. I have over 51,000 messages to and from one person
Sat Feb 24, 2024, 12:44 AM
Feb 24

And that's with 7 months of not speaking last year as well as other temporary fallouts over the years (since 2020). She's a good friend but definitely not a lover. 🙄

Cattledog

(5,906 posts)
25. Good question
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 01:24 PM
Feb 23

That will probably be on the Judge's mind when he considers this and if it is admissible.

Sympthsical

(9,000 posts)
29. They did subpoena the records from AT&T
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 01:29 PM
Feb 23

They also subpoenaed records from Delta, the travel agent, and I think one or two more things. I can't remember precisely, but I do remember AT&T and Delta being two named. It was brought up in last week's hearings.

bucolic_frolic

(42,935 posts)
26. That's evidence of nothing.
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 01:28 PM
Feb 23

Slept in car, slept on couch. Long, late night discussions on how the path ahead would change their lives. Too busy doing day job to discuss during daytime. Proximity is not evidence. End of story.

maxrandb

(15,253 posts)
44. Left cell phone in a restaurant and went back to get it?
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 02:22 PM
Feb 23

Our legal system is NOT a Reality TV Show, no matter how hard Donnie Dipshit tries to turn it into one.

Maybe the Supreme Court needs to put a stop to this shit, before the "law" they claim to revere becomes a farce.

It might be too late.

SalamanderSleeps

(578 posts)
27. People.
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 01:28 PM
Feb 23

Trump called Raffensperger and asked him to throw the election.

Raffensperger recorded the conversation.

Asking anyone to falsify election results is criminal.

That's the law.

Raffensperger knew the difference between shit and Shineola, and acted accordingly

Donald J. Trump is a liar, thief, rapist, and a real live traitor.

The courts have found so.

Nathan Wade and Fani Willis are just people.

But, Donald is different.

He is a Russian asset with Secret Service protection.

I find that pretty goddamned upsetting, don't you?

Why can't we start the conversation there, instead of focusing on what two legal practitioners do when they are away from their desks?

Talking on your cellphone with a colleague, or even fucking them, really is not anything like being a liar, thief, rapist, and a real live traitor.









bdamomma

(63,729 posts)
143. Such crap being slung
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 08:01 PM
Feb 23

tRump , paying off Stormy Daniels (after he was bonking her) while his wife was having their child, He cries that he is perfect. And he is defaming Fani??????

SalamanderSleeps

(578 posts)
35. First world problems, I'm sure the newspapers in Ukraine are stunned by Fani & Nathan's behavior.
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 01:39 PM
Feb 23

Some things matter.

Other things do not.

usedtobedemgurl

(1,114 posts)
113. What a great song for these times.....
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 05:01 PM
Feb 23

God/America/Russia. Oh, and the lawyer part for the subject of this thread. It touches on things in this situation quite nicely. Thank you for posting.

uponit7771

(90,296 posts)
88. Mostly to MAGA the rest of America's adults understand the difference between a friendship and a romance
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 04:09 PM
Feb 23

Sympthsical

(9,000 posts)
34. It matters if it began before he was hired
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 01:36 PM
Feb 23

They have both stated emphatically - and under oath - that their relationship began after he was contracted.

Trump's lawyers are throwing everything they have at the idea that it began before the hiring. Because if it did, that would mean Wade and Willis lied to the Court. They will have perjured themselves.

If the judge thinks they perjured themselves, they will be disqualified.

femmedem

(8,195 posts)
69. If they perjured themselves about the relationship's timeline, it makes their other testimony less reliable.
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 03:17 PM
Feb 23

I believe that Fani Willis did not receive a financial benefit from their relationship, but Trump's lawyers' odds of successfully arguing that her testimony about reimbursing Wade with cash isn't credible goes up if they can prove that she lied under oath about this.

But even if it's true that she lied under oath, I'm still somewhat hopeful that she won't be disqualified, unless she would be disbarred that quickly. I say this because if I remember correctly, the burden of proof is on Trump's side to show that Willis had a financial interest in prosecuting the case.



Sympthsical

(9,000 posts)
71. Which part of what I said was unclear to you?
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 03:23 PM
Feb 23

I explained what Trump's team is trying to do with these cell phone records.

It's up to the judge to decide what to make of it.

Sympthsical

(9,000 posts)
95. We're talking about their romantic relationship
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 04:16 PM
Feb 23

If that began before he was hired. They said under oath it didn't. The defense is trying to provide evidence they were lying.

Why is it on DU? Because if they're disqualified, this whole case against Trump will almost certainly be pushed until after the election. If it goes to a DA who decides it's not worth it, the case could end up being dropped entirely.

So what happens here is important if you care about Trump being prosecuted in Georgia. I think most of us here do.

uponit7771

(90,296 posts)
96. Which phone logs prove none of that , even if they were sexting still proves the intimate relationship didn't begin
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 04:18 PM
Feb 23

... until they said it began and it ended when they said it ended.

The court nor the public gets to define what their relationship is to them not the time span,

I don't even know why this distraction is on DU

Sympthsical

(9,000 posts)
101. The court very much gets to define it legally, though
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 04:26 PM
Feb 23

That is what law does. Define behaviors.

I can sit there and say, "Yeah, we were fuck buddies, but we weren't dating or anything." In my head, we're not dating.

Now go tell a court that doesn't matter in a case where whether or not a romantic relationship exists has bearing. "Your honor, we were not in a romantic relationship. We were just fucking."

Let me know when the judge stops laughing.

uponit7771

(90,296 posts)
106. This is false on its face. The court doesn't get to say when you're in an intimate relationship and when you're not
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 04:30 PM
Feb 23

... to you in your definition and your mind and your agreement between you and another person.

This is crazy,

in that case then me and you by a courts definition could be in an intimate relationship because they can call an intimate relationship, anything they want.

There are multiple relationships where people don't think they're intimate where there could be occurrences of sexual intercourse happening etc etc

People have never heard of friends with benefits, doesn't mean that's intimate

Sympthsical

(9,000 posts)
112. The law is not whatever you prefer it to be
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 04:50 PM
Feb 23

How people subjectively think about their relationships and what the law thinks are two different things. There's another good example in this. Nathan Wade has said repeatedly that he considered his marriage over in 2015 when he found out his wife was cheating on him. "In my mind, the marriage was over," is a phrase I heard from him more than once. And maybe that's true. For him. He's no longer emotionally obligated to his wife. He does not consider themselves partners in the marital enterprise with all its emotional and physical responsibilities, obligations, and expectations.

But the law still very much considers them married until they are divorced. What you think, how you feel, how you'd personally categorize it. It doesn't matter. It's a bit different, because marriage is a legal contract/status, but the contours are similar. When it comes to defining romantic relationships in law, fucking will do for a court. If you're fucking a subordinate at a private company, a lot of companies will can you on the spot. And if you go to HR with, "We're not in an inappropriate relationship or any kind of relationship. I don't even like the person I'm fucking," HR isn't going to be all, "Oh, why didn't you say? Nevermind then."

You're saying, "I want it to work this way."

Ok, but it doesn't. So . . . we'll just have to wait and see what the judge has to say about all this. I have no idea what he's going to do. But I can say, with full authority, that all of this is a monumental shitshow. As soon as the door was opened to it, it was circus times.

Sympthsical

(9,000 posts)
125. Yeah, I didn't super love my example either
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 06:24 PM
Feb 23

But the question of "Am I in a relationship in my mind?" is getting into the weeds and beside the point.

Wade and Willis were asked about their whereabouts. They gave answers. The cell phone tracking data suggests different from the answers given under oath.

That alone - romance or not - is a big problem.

oldsoftie

(12,454 posts)
181. I get tired of the "why is this HERE?" stuff. Its HERE because its NEWS
Sat Feb 24, 2024, 04:18 PM
Feb 24

Sometimes there's news we dont like. It doesnt mean it shouldn't be discussed. Sometimes people on OUR side of things do things they shouldn't do. it should be reported. Unless we're unwilling to be objective and honest
This case wont be tossed regardless of when/what their relationship was but if SHE is removed it'll de belayed till after the election. Which is just what trump wants.

SoFlaBro

(1,900 posts)
137. A lie by itself is not perjury. The testimony has to be germane to the proceedings. This fails on relevance to the case.
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 07:43 PM
Feb 23

Sympthsical

(9,000 posts)
140. The testimony was germane to the proceedings
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 07:48 PM
Feb 23

Because the statements about the relationship came in response to the defense alleging that Wade was hired in a kind of kickback scheme for Willis. Willis' answer to that was, "I couldn't have hired him for the purpose of kickbacks, because we didn't even start dating until five months after his hiring."

The relationship start date was given to dispel the motive alleged by the defense.

It doesn't get much more germane than that.

MichMan

(11,850 posts)
185. The legal system generally holds prosecutors and officers of the court to a much higher standard than other witnesses
Sat Feb 24, 2024, 07:11 PM
Feb 24

MOMFUDSKI

(5,371 posts)
33. George Conway's take was the Judge had to
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 01:34 PM
Feb 23

entertain this mess to avoid the defense trying to nullify the case later. He was disgusted with all parties but didn’t think Fani should be removed. Orange guy’s attorneys had to try. We wait . . .

SarahD

(1,147 posts)
36. It's not the affair. It's trying to cover it up.
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 01:39 PM
Feb 23

They should have taken a more direct approach. "We were hot for each other the moment we met, went to my place, tore off our clothes, humped like bunnies, and didn't stop for three days." I don't see anything wrong with Willis hiring her boyfriend. Keep in mind what happened to Bill Clinton: impeached not for having oral sex, but for lying about it.

Tickle

(2,486 posts)
38. Jesus Christ is nothing private?!!
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 01:48 PM
Feb 23


It's concerning that the Media acts like there may have been dishonesty regarding the start of Fani and Wade's relationship in court. Regardless of the circumstances, attempting to conceal the truth often leads to further complications. It's essential to address such matters transparently and honestly to maintain integrity and trust.

Freethinker65

(9,981 posts)
39. Anything, anyone else in that neighborhood? Do the records pinpoint the actual condo?
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 02:00 PM
Feb 23

Do phone records alone indicate they were alone together? Do the phone records prove they were consummating an ongoing relationship? Was is in the bedroom, on the sofa, on the kitchen counter?

This is insane. If she paid Willis off and had him sign an NDA because of possible political consequences, there would be an issue.

Torchlight

(3,278 posts)
40. This inquiry carries as much weight and legitimacy to me as the Hunter Biden hearings.
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 02:07 PM
Feb 23

Last edited Fri Feb 23, 2024, 05:22 PM - Edit history (1)

A truckload of inneffective, highly-edited posturing from the right wing, with just the right amount of hand-wringing from the concern crowds to make it look Bigger, Badder, New & Improved (4 out of 5 doctors are truly concerned and doubtful about this outcome, ask yours about taking FUD, now less expensive than ever!).

Watching the gymnastics attempts to better pretend this is serious, sound, and worthy of consideration are (to me) the satirical chracatures of reasoned discourse; e.g., Waldorf and Statler sitting in the balcomy.

marshall

(6,662 posts)
43. They were asked about a romantic relationship
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 02:21 PM
Feb 23

Last edited Fri Feb 23, 2024, 03:03 PM - Edit history (1)

A booty call does not equal a romantic relationship. As Tina Turner eloquently said, “What’s love got to do with it?”

Hekate

(90,434 posts)
47. This is a solid effort to destroy her case against Trump. If the Trumpistas succeed...
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 02:31 PM
Feb 23

…she’ll be out and her office will be closed. It will take time to get someone else in, and they may not be interested at all in pursuing this case. Hello?

Fani Willis is a grown woman. Is she supposed to be a nun? Is that a requirement for professional women?

On the other hand snicker snicker you know what they say about women who don’t like men, har de har.

Well, damned if she does and damned if she doesn’t. The old double standard, misogyny, and racism ploy looks like it will work again. And Trump will skate.

maxrandb

(15,253 posts)
48. When I was on Recruiting Duty, the last day of the month
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 02:32 PM
Feb 23

was called; "Spaghetti Day".

This is nothing more than that.

agingdem

(7,800 posts)
49. I could be wrong on this but...
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 02:32 PM
Feb 23

earlier this week Brian Kemp said he had a sit-down with Jack Smith..and Brad Raffensperger has spoken to Jack Smith as well...for some reason I'm sensing superseding indictments coming down on Trump if/when the SC rules...I can dream...

as for Fani Willis...yes, her relationship with Nathan Wade is none of our business...however, she is a politician/public figure spearheading the most important case of her professional career... and as a public figure she had to know she was under the microscope..it's all about perception, the appearance of impropriety...

Raven123

(4,756 posts)
53. Exactly. Unforced error.
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 02:44 PM
Feb 23

Frankly infuriating. She had to know better. I don’t care about their personal relationship except that it creates a distraction

Scrivener7

(50,881 posts)
61. No, it's about actual impropriety. If they can't prove it, it is meaningless. If it WERE about the
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 02:58 PM
Feb 23

appearance of impropriety, there would be no end to them saying, "That appears inappropriate."

They already do it constantly over nothing. Our job is to say, "Prove it or shut up."

agingdem

(7,800 posts)
102. what irks me is Judge McAfee...
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 04:26 PM
Feb 23

why the hearing...and the salacious questioning of the witnesses that he allowed...what's his agenda?

Scrivener7

(50,881 posts)
105. I agree. My hope is that by giving it a hearing he thinks he can prevent it from metastisizing and
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 04:28 PM
Feb 23

being grounds for appealing any result from the trial of tsf.

Hopefully.

But I won't believe it till he gives his decision about it.

uponit7771

(90,296 posts)
90. Fannie Willis gets to have friendships and consensual lovers as much as she wants,none of our business
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 04:12 PM
Feb 23

bdamomma

(63,729 posts)
58. Again
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 02:51 PM
Feb 23

She is not on trial; those 18 defendants are. I mean WTF, they tried to stop a legitimate election. Her personal relationship has no bearing on the case.

This resembles "what about the e-mails" in Hillary Clinton's case. Such a distraction from the truth.

spooky3

(34,375 posts)
65. Lots of online commentators have criticized the judge for
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 03:05 PM
Feb 23

letting the proceedings devolve into irrelevant matters like this.

Ms. Toad

(33,970 posts)
66. This is starting to look like Bill Clinton all over again.
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 03:09 PM
Feb 23

(Leaving aside the power differential involved in that relationship). He was impeached for lying under oath, not for a substantive matter.

I don't care (for purposes of the Georgia case) whether the two had a relationship. That is an employment matter - it has nothing to do with a conflict of interest in the Georgia case.

But I do care about lying under oath. I hope there is an explanation for Wade's cell phone data that is unrelated to when their relationship began. Near her house isn't necessarily at her house - cell phone data is not that precise.

Ms. Toad

(33,970 posts)
98. What do you make of the overnight cell phone data
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 04:22 PM
Feb 23

in a location near Willis's house?

Both of them said, under oath, that he never stayed overnight in that particular house.

uponit7771

(90,296 posts)
100. Let's say they were up in that house doing the horizontal marble all night
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 04:24 PM
Feb 23

That still does not mean in their definition of an intimate relationship that they're having an intimate relationship. They're just screwing and that's the way they can see it

Again, the court nor the public gets to define intimate, non-intimate, etc. Between two people.

The intimate relationship began when they say it did and it ended when they said it did. That's all

Ms. Toad

(33,970 posts)
107. The data is not cell data; it is the physical location of the phone.
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 04:30 PM
Feb 23

On two occsions Wade's cell phone physically arrived in the vicinity of the condo that both of them testified he never spent the night at, and his phone did not physically leave until the next morning.

The issue, at this point, isn't the affair. It never was, as far as I'm concerned. That is an HR matter, and the judge should not have held a hearing on the matter. But he did, and both testified under oath. So the issue is now whether they lied under oath.

Ms. Toad

(33,970 posts)
115. My initial thought was that mine mostly can't be -
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 05:02 PM
Feb 23

I only allow geo-location when I'm using an app that has a reason to require it. It is allowed only when the app is active, and turns off when the app is no longer in use. So mostly geo-location (precise) location data is not available for me.

But - as long as my phone is turned on, it is pinging off of local cell towers. Each tower can tell how far away my phone is from it. Depending on how many towers are within range (creating overlapping circles of potential locations) my phone's location can be determined to within 5-10 meters.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
134. Thanks for explaining. Think latest info qualifies
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 07:37 PM
Feb 23

That cell was near residence. But it's not like someone can say someone was at 100 Main St.

Ms. Toad

(33,970 posts)
141. Correct.
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 07:50 PM
Feb 23

If his phone pinged off of one tower it was located within a circle centered on the tower. If it pinged off of two it will be in the smaller eye-shaped overlap of the circles. If it pinged off of three it was in the even smaller roughly triangular overlap of all three. But it is't a precise location.

oldsoftie

(12,454 posts)
182. I was tracked within 50 ft of my location 15yrs ago
Sat Feb 24, 2024, 04:25 PM
Feb 24

I bet they're better at it now.
Working at a house with a couple others & one guy leaned on his phone & called 911 somehow. The cops parked right in front of the house

maxrandb

(15,253 posts)
142. That's not what the article states
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 08:00 PM
Feb 23
"It does not show definitively that Wade visited Willis at her Hapeville condo — at best, the evidence appears to show Wade was in a 9-square-mile area that includes Willis’ condo, Steffes said.

The data also does not prove that Wade stayed in one place – he could have been driving around the area, he added. “This sounds to me like these folks are not experienced and they don’t understand the limits of either the data or the tool they’re using."


Additionally, the 2 overnight instances sited, one is from 1030PM - 3:48AM, and the other is from about 1100PM - 4AM. Again, NOT VERIFIED AT THE CONDO. Maybe he was visiting someone else. Maybe he got a late night craving for some restaurant in the area. Maybe he picked someone up at the airport and they closed down a bar and went to breakfast.

None of his proves ANYTHING. It's sole purpose is to try this case like it's a reality TV Show.

I expect that the courts is going to put a stop to this distraction soon.

Ms. Toad

(33,970 posts)
145. None of that conflicts with anything I said.
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 08:22 PM
Feb 23

I never said that the data pinpointed the location of his phone, or that his phone stayed in one location. What I said s that the data they were talking about is location data, not call data, which indicated it was in the vicinity of her condo and on two occasions did not leave that vicinity until early morning.

Location data can be relatively precise - or within miles. It all depends on how many towers they have data from. The more towers, the more precise the location. Typically a single tower is accessible to a phone around 3 miles away. That would put the maximum distance from her house at 6 miles (the cell tower in the center, her condo 3 miles away, and his car up to 3 miles in the opposite direction. That distance is longer in more rural areas and shorter in denser urban areas. If you get data from two towers, the area can be narrowed down more (the phone would need to be in the overlap of the two circles of accessibility). Same for 3 towers - it makes the location more precise.

I haven't looked specifically at what they submitted, which is why I said the data showed his phone (not necessarily him) was in the vicinity of (not necessarily at) her condo. I don't know how much, or how precise, the data is.

uponit7771

(90,296 posts)
154. "vicinity of her condo " means little in context and you know that. He never claimed he wasn't in vecinty of her condo
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 10:53 PM
Feb 23

"Location data can be relatively precise"

Unless the cell lat/long data puts him at her place this is a moot point

Ms. Toad

(33,970 posts)
159. That is sufficient for a judge to want to inquire more.
Sat Feb 24, 2024, 12:14 AM
Feb 24

It isn't conclusive, but it does raise legitimate questions, given their testimony.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
147. Obvious question - Where did he live? How many miles away?
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 10:06 PM
Feb 23

If close, what you say could be true.

And jeez quoting Kook's investigator, so take it with grain of salt, but they have evidence? Of call between the two a period of time after that 3:48a cell record, like " made it home ok".

Again, don't care one iota that they had an affair. NOT RELEVENT. What is relevent, is lying under oath. Hope they did not!!!!!

Silent Type

(2,792 posts)
156. Wade lives in Cobb County Georgia a good 25 miles from Willis. Beginning to think
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 11:50 PM
Feb 23

it would have been better if Willis had said early on that, she “denies the trump defense allegations/insinuations and it’s irrelevant to trump’s guilt, but in the interest of convicting the MFer as soon as possible, she and Wade are withdrawing from case.”

With that said, I enjoyed watching Willis on the stand and am glad she had a chance to respond to an obvious legal trick to get trump’s trial delayed. Unfortunately, the delay tactics worked.

H2O Man

(73,445 posts)
110. Of course.
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 04:42 PM
Feb 23

But the MSM is not taking the witness stand. And at this late date, anyone who bases their opinions on the MSM needs their head examined.

IcyPeas

(21,809 posts)
92. I think this is what trump will do to anyone speaking out against him
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 04:15 PM
Feb 23

Threats, revenge. I think he has private eyes on people. They will dig and dig and dig even into your garbage cans.

I think he really would've hung Mike Pence.

It is the Trump mafia.

This ex-employee said they were hugging and kissing in a social setting. (Gasp!)


Sympthsical

(9,000 posts)
117. Trump and his co-defendants absolutely have investigators working for them
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 05:05 PM
Feb 23

It's come up several times in court.

underpants

(182,494 posts)
104. Saw this on RW Twitter- cell tower hits and raw speculation
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 04:28 PM
Feb 23

It’s Dinesh’s “2,000 Mules” all over again.

DVRacer

(707 posts)
120. AT&T was served a subpoena and complied
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 05:13 PM
Feb 23

The data was analyzed using CellHawk which is what all agencies use in court. The data is the data and this type of analysis has even been used in prosecution by this DA’s office.

Good learning lesson for others you are always being tracked and monitored if your phone or other device is near you. You realize for Hey Siri to work it has to be listening all the time. Keywords will trigger automatic recording and sent to agencies for further analysis. Big Brother knows all.

mainer

(12,016 posts)
126. Subpoena? She's not under police investigation
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 06:29 PM
Feb 23

So a private citizen can have phone records subpoenaed by anyone? by a stalking ex-spouse?

spooky3

(34,375 posts)
114. Standards for disqualification per Norm Eisen
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 05:02 PM
Feb 23

“ As a matter of both common sense and Georgia law, a prosecutor is disqualified from a case due to a “conflict of interest” only when the prosecutor’s conflicting loyalties could prejudice the defendant leading, for example, to an improper conviction. None of the factual allegations made in the Roman motion have a basis in law for the idea that such prejudice could exist here – as it might where a law enforcement agent is involved with a witness, or a defense lawyer with a judge. We might question Willis’s judgment in hiring Wade and the pair’s other alleged conduct, but under Georgia law that relationship and their alleged behavior do not impact her or his ability to continue on the case.”

sop

(10,051 posts)
132. Fani Willis has a net worth of $8 Million.
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 07:15 PM
Feb 23

"She (has a) net worth of $8 million with an annual revenue of $2.7 million. Her income as an attorney is...$110,000...she also holds an investment portfolio of $5 million in real estate and $2 million in stocks in companies such as Microsoft and Apple."

https://www.the-express.com/news/us-news/128348/where-did-Fani-Willis-go-to-law-school

It's not like Fani needed anything from Wade, the woman's rich. I find it unlikely Willis was improperly influenced by the (relatively small) amount of money Wade spent on her during their relationship.

madaboutharry

(40,176 posts)
157. The Express is a right-wing rag with a dubious record of accurate reporting.
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 11:52 PM
Feb 23

I wouldn’t take their reporting on Fani Willis’ finances at face value.

That said, I believe every word she testified to and she certainly didn’t need Nathan Wade paying for anything.

sop

(10,051 posts)
164. From Law Pro blog:
Sat Feb 24, 2024, 08:53 AM
Feb 24

"Unveiling Fani Willis’s Net Worth"

"When it comes to her financial standing, Fani Willis boasts a net worth of $8 million. Her income sources contribute to this impressive figure, with an annual income of $2.7 million. This includes a base salary of $110,000 and an additional $1.5 million from various sources, such as speaking engagements that command a fee of $12,000 per event."

"Beyond the numbers, Willis’s wealth spans various assets. She owns an impressive collection of eight cars. In terms of real estate, she possesses properties worth $5 million. These include 300 acres of farmland in Utah and Maui, a luxurious four-bedroom villa in Georgia, and two properties in Houston."

"Additionally, Willis holds $2 million in stock market investments. Her investment portfolio includes shares in renowned companies such as Apple, Microsoft, Boeing, Berkshire Hathaway, Exxon, and Pfizer. Through a combination of astute financial decisions and successful legal endeavors, Fani Willis has built a remarkable net worth of $8 million."

https://lawpro.blog/fani-willis-net-worth/

madaboutharry

(40,176 posts)
165. Law Pro is a. blog.
Sat Feb 24, 2024, 10:49 AM
Feb 24

There is no information on who runs it or if it is even owned by a lawyer. I have trouble giving them credibility. The assertion that Fani Willis, who for nearly the entirety of her career, has worked in a government position, owns 8 cars is highly questionable.

struggle4progress

(118,160 posts)
153. More rat-fucking. If the defense has proof of a conflict of interest,
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 10:52 PM
Feb 23

they should show their proof; otherwise it's time to move on

Cha

(296,503 posts)
173. Really. I couldn't believe all I
Sat Feb 24, 2024, 02:22 PM
Feb 24

I was reading yesterday.. on second thought.. Yes I can.

You're Welcome.

SomedayKindaLove

(528 posts)
161. Hapeville is 2.5 square miles and has 8,494 residents
Sat Feb 24, 2024, 12:32 AM
Feb 24

Do the phone records prove Wade was having an affair with all 8,494 residents?

marshall

(6,662 posts)
170. They are Conflating sex with being in a romantic relationship
Sat Feb 24, 2024, 12:04 PM
Feb 24

To expect that sex between a man and a woman necessarily indicates a romantic relationship is arguably a hallmark of a patriarchal white supremacist mindset.

gulliver

(13,159 posts)
172. The relationship should have been disclosed to the judge
Sat Feb 24, 2024, 02:08 PM
Feb 24

Regardless of when it started. Willis should wait and hope the judge doesn't disqualify her. Then recuse. I wouldn't be surprised if she and Wade aren't working on some kind of deal like that now. Maybe they keep their jobs or at least their law licenses. They made a big mistake, and I have no sympathy that compares to my sympathy for all of us in the country who don't need Trump on the loose and running the world. The case is too important.

Everyone who cares about this case, ask yourself a simple yes/no question. "Do you wish this relationship hadn't occurred?"

oldsoftie

(12,454 posts)
183. Thats all that needed to be done & there'd be nothing here.
Sat Feb 24, 2024, 04:28 PM
Feb 24

How hard would it be to disclose? "When in doubt, disclose"
It doesnt help that Wade is by far the least qualified in RICO prosecutions but he's made the lion's share of the billing hours

fishwax

(29,148 posts)
174. this is a neighborhood with a lot of residences, bars, nightclubs, hotels, etc. ... and close to the airport, I think
Sat Feb 24, 2024, 02:56 PM
Feb 24
“The records do nothing more than demonstrate that Special Prosecutor Wade’s telephone was located somewhere within a densely populated multiple-mile radius where various residences, restaurants, bars, nightclubs and other businesses are located,” Willis’ motion said.


So unless they have some more specific data, I don't see how this proves anything.

Lunabell

(6,012 posts)
179. Nope.
Sat Feb 24, 2024, 03:56 PM
Feb 24

His cell phone pinged near her house. It doesn't raise any questions about the beginning of their relationship. It shows his phone was in the vicinity. He's allowed to leave his neighborhood.

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